Affirmative Action

[Redhawk]

The Supreme Court said that race shouldn't matter, and they upheld University Michigan Law School's Affrimative Action plan. Should colleges be forced to admit students because of race, and not solely on academic reports.

Colin Powell and Connie Rice both agree that people should be adimitted to colleges based on race.

However, I believe that we should fix the school system first, and make sure that students have equal footing to compete with white students. And then see if race is an issue regarding admitance, but we should keep Affirmative Action until then.

I'm tired of my tax dollars going to school systems that are below standards, and the school keeps begging for more money.

[Faithless]

Originally posted by Redhawk@Jun 23 2003, 03:40 PM
Colin Powell and Connie Rice both agree that people should be adimitted to colleges based on race.

I don't think they believe in race as a sole factor.

The problem is -- what is the appropriate way to factor race? With some point system, giving minorities 20 points right-off the bat? Not at all? Or somewhere in between?

[aznpr1de101]

I don't believe in AA. I am proud of the fact that I as well as other fellow Asians can actually perform better than whites on average in acamedics without the need of "brownie points" just because of race.

It's also a fact that Asians on average have a better salary than whites and that we are one of the most successful minority groups in the United States.

AA is total BS.

[aznpr1de101]

Why would we keep AA until we make the school systems better? Why should less qualified people be accepted into colleges while a more qualified Asian or white person has to be rejected?

The sad fact is that anyone who is willing to push themselves can be successful. There is no need for AA.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by aznpr1de101@Jun 29 2003, 04:14 AM
I don't believe in AA. I am proud of the fact that I as well as other fellow Asians can actually perform better than whites on average in acamedics without the need of "brownie points" just because of race.

It's also a fact that Asians on average have a better salary than whites and that we are one of the most successful minority groups in the United States.

AA is total BS.

this is not true.

on a individual basis, Asians are actually making less money than whites for doing the same jobs. and there is a lack of Asian people in upper management and executive positions. most of us are stuck in middle management under the glass ceiling. on a per-household basis, we are making more money on the average, but that is because we actually usually have more people in each household than non-Asian people, and therefore each household have more sources of income.

there are many Asian people that actually perform in school at the same level as the average blacks and Hispanics, that is, well below the white average. there are, in general, two types of immigrant families. the first type is the family that came to the US seeking better opportunities. the second type is the family that came to the US to escape certain situations back home - refugees. it's usually the second type that do not perform so well in school. in fact, i think i read somewhere that the prisons in some counties in California have as many southeast Asian inmates as black and Hispanic inmates.

[aznpr1de101]

Even so I don't believe in the concept of AA. It is simply a bandaid and not a solution to the problem.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by aznpr1de101@Jun 29 2003, 06:01 PM
Even so I don't believe in the concept of AA. It is simply a bandaid and not a solution to the problem.

personally, i don't think race-based preference is needed in higher education anymore. affirmative action was originally conceived to fight discrimination. and i think we've reached a point where admissions committees aren't going to discriminate based on race. (in the same token though, i'd rather see that they don't give special treatment to kids from wealthy families, but i understand that these wealthy families make financial contributions to the schools, so that's why their kids get admitted.)

however, the glass ceiling still exists in the work place, and i think something needs to be there to ensure that we make just as much money as white people for doing the same jobs, and that we have access to upper management and executive positions.

[AngryABCGirl]

Affirmative Action to me has evolved into a political tool penned around the volatile issue of race to sidestep what it really was, a temporary band-aid solution to America's failing public schools. When even public high schools in well-off suburbs have inaduqate schools that can't provide enough seats or books for their students, can you imagine what the inner city schools are like? Only they can't pack off their kids to SAT tutors or learning like most parents who can do that do now becuase the schools are so bad. If a politician was actually willing to address our failing schools and funnel funds and reforms to them and create a better playing field, affirmative action would no longer be as hot as an issue.

[aznpr1de101]

"however, the glass ceiling still exists in the work place, and i think something needs to be there to ensure that we make just as much money as white people for doing the same jobs, and that we have access to upper management and executive positions. "

I disagree.

I run a small business and I don't want to be forced to keep quatas.

Most of the people I employ are either Asian or Eastern European.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by aznpr1de101@Jun 30 2003, 04:49 AM
"however, the glass ceiling still exists in the work place, and i think something needs to be there to ensure that we make just as much money as white people for doing the same jobs, and that we have access to upper management and executive positions. "

I disagree.

I run a small business and I don't want to be forced to keep quatas.

Most of the people I employ are either Asian or Eastern European.

affirmative action is not about quotas. in fact, quotas are illegal.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

If quotas are illegal, then why is it that whenever certain political leaders see a university or a company or whatnot whose proportion of blacks and hispanics doesn't match or exceed the national balance, they take it as prima facie evidence of racism and discrimination?

[aznpr1de101]

"affirmative action is not about quotas. in fact, quotas are illegal. "

It most certainly WAS about quatas. Now that this is unconstitutional, universities have to be much more sneaky about it.

So that simply means better desguised quotas :)

The bottom line is we need to fix our school system, not have stupid bandaids.

[aznpr1de101]

AliBabaIncorporated,

Just curious. Kind of a dumb question but is that you in the picture? Are you also the owner of that blog site? I've been reading it on my spare time, good stuff.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jun 30 2003, 06:04 AM
If quotas are illegal, then why is it that whenever certain political leaders see a university or a company or whatnot whose proportion of blacks and hispanics doesn't match or exceed the national balance, they take it as prima facie evidence of racism and discrimination?

give me an example of this?

[Faithless]

Originally posted by aznpr1de101@Jun 30 2003, 03:41 AM
"affirmative action is not about quotas. in fact, quotas are illegal. "

It most certainly WAS about quatas. Now that this is unconstitutional, universities have to be much more sneaky about it.

So that simply means better desguised quotas :)

The bottom line is we need to fix our school system, not have stupid bandaids.

Was the system better before Affirmative Action?