CNN: Asians voting for Clinton!???

[SamWoo]

CNN today has a clip about Asian largerly voting for Clinton. And the best that was offered 'coz Asian like what they know/feel comfortable with (lame!) while the worst showed this lady who refered to Clinton as the "white lady!"

I was a big Bill Clinton fan until a few weeks ago when he put down Obama, showed his dark side I failed to see b4r.

If yr Asian (duh!) who are u voting for and why? Please do post more than "because I like her/him."

[AngryABCGirl]

I think the media is purposely placing that image about Asian voters, that we're that unsophisticated. I do think a lot of voters vote that way, but there's a lot of other reasons too.

For me, first I'm a staunch Democrat. Therefore, I don't care to and most likely won't ever support Republican candidates. I'm very liberal socially, probably one of the most left in that respect, but pretty fiscally conservative- I believe the source of a lot of our problems are not that we aren't spending enough, but we aren't spending it on the right things (ie, an possibly endless war).

So for this election I initially, like I did in 2004, supported John Edwards to a moderate extent. I wasn't that into the game then as I am now, because I am older and working and see what's at stake more. He man has charisma and much experience, more worthy than Hilary I'd say, and has had a strong history of defending the American middle class and well as protecting the vulnerably, to put it succinctly.

Then Barack Obama came out of nowhere. I wasn't convinced entirely by his speeches or anything and I wasn't even in the states when he started to get really popular. Like I was totally out of the loop and came back with all my friends and family completely in love with this man. I saw him on TV and I could see why, but he was an unknown sample to me. The more I got to know about the candidate, in terms of a man his unique international background and especially of his route after attending the ivy leagues, but going into community organizing rally intrigued me and his personal journeys in his books, which are mostly his thoughts on where American politics should go that I browsed through at international bookstore.

I fell back out of the sky basically to take more classes and started working for real back in the US when things were really starting to heat up. I was turned off from Hilary at the start, she represents the old to me. I really don't have a doubt she'll be a good president, but I don't think she'd be spectacular, or bring that key word- change. For me, that means a new generation, our generation, getting involved in politics and our ideas becoming the mainstream ones and replacing the old. Ones that believe in tolerance, responsible spending, sustainability in my view.

So I'd been following Edwards and Obama closely, but not really knowing either. I didn't really identify with Hilary in wanting the first woman president or whatever, because the main reason her being that first woman president would be because her husband was president and he's her campaign tool. That's weak to me. I'd rather have the first woman president be totally self-made, and she's in the works somewhere right now.

So it was down to Edwards and Obama. Edwards has been totally overshadowed between the oppression sweepstakes between Obama and Clinton, and now he's a non-factor. I already like Obama, so the choice was obvious. Also, he's really inspired a lot of people, people around me who I never thought would give a damn about politics get involved, but not only that, people from all over the nation that transcend religion, race, and gender that I haven't see any political leader do in my lifetime. I can jive on that, and take a risk with that. I'm not happy with the way things are going, hell, I'm ready to get back on a plane and leave in a lot of ways. I think Obama can get a new generation to care and change the rules of the game in the White House, and we may actually get the healthcare, more equal education, and etc we deserve, more likely than Clinton, who will be endless legislation and business as usual.

I think the media is purposely placing that image about Asian voters, that we're that unsophisticated. I do think a lot of voters vote that way, but there's a lot of other reasons too.

For me, first I'm a staunch Democrat. Therefore, I don't care to and most likely won't ever support Republican candidates. I'm very liberal socially, probably one of the most left in that respect, but pretty fiscally conservative- I believe the source of a lot of our problems are not that we aren't spending enough, but we aren't spending it on the right things (ie, an possibly endless war).

So for this election I initially, like I did in 2004, supported John Edwards to a moderate extent. I wasn't that into the game then as I am now, because I am older and working and see what's at stake more. He man has charisma and much experience, more worthy than Hilary I'd say, and has had a strong history of defending the American middle class and well as protecting the vulnerably, to put it succinctly.

Then Barack Obama came out of nowhere. I wasn't convinced entirely by his speeches or anything and I wasn't even in the states when he started to get really popular. Like I was totally out of the loop and came back with all my friends and family completely in love with this man. I saw him on TV and I could see why, but he was an unknown sample to me. The more I got to know about the candidate, in terms of a man his unique international background and especially of his route after attending the ivy leagues, but going into community organizing rally intrigued me and his personal journeys in his books, which are mostly his thoughts on where American politics should go that I browsed through at international bookstore.

I fell back out of the sky basically to take more classes and started working for real back in the US when things were really starting to heat up. I was turned off from Hilary at the start, she represents the old to me. I really don't have a doubt she'll be a good president, but I don't think she'd be spectacular, or bring that key word- change. For me, that means a new generation, our generation, getting involved in politics and our ideas becoming the mainstream ones and replacing the old. Ones that believe in tolerance, responsible spending, sustainability in my view.

So I'd been following Edwards and Obama closely, but not really knowing either. I didn't really identify with Hilary in wanting the first woman president or whatever, because the main reason her being that first woman president would be because her husband was president and he's her campaign tool. That's weak to me. I'd rather have the first woman president be totally self-made, and she's in the works somewhere right now.

So it was down to Edwards and Obama. Edwards has been totally overshadowed between the oppression sweepstakes between Obama and Clinton, and now he's a non-factor. I already like Obama, so the choice was obvious. Also, he's really inspired a lot of people, people around me who I never thought would give a damn about politics get involved, but not only that, people from all over the nation that transcend religion, race, and gender that I haven't see any political leader do in my lifetime. I can jive on that, and take a risk with that. I'm not happy with the way things are going, hell, I'm ready to get back on a plane and leave in a lot of ways. I think Obama can get a new generation to care and change the rules of the game in the White House, and we may actually get the healthcare, more equal education, and etc we deserve, more likely than Clinton, who will be endless legislation and business as usual.

[Zdrav]

Edwards has been totally overshadowed between the oppression sweepstakes between Obama and Clinton

I hate it when people feel sorry for Edwards because he got tangled in the "Oppression Sweepstakes".

John Edwards is a decent guy, but he was a loser (in the political sense) in 2004, so his luster was noticeably dulled in 2007 and 2008. Also, I never bought his attempt to remake himself into some kind of Huey Long figure, as he was a pretty centrist Democrat. All in all, he was a decent candidate in the primaries, but it's not as if the great social handicap of being a straight white male destroyed his otherwise excellent chances. Obama and Clinton are simply better candidates. Period.

[Paradox]

I am morally opposed to voting for Hillary Clinton. I think she's a sketchy character and has a history of weird stuff going on with her law firm. I also don't like her flip flops on health care. It seems like she accepted payoffs from HMOs to flip flop her stance. I don't think anything was ever proven but it really does appear that way and she has always seemed a little too ambitious about her image.

I like Obama too and think he's the better of the two but I don't know what his chances are of realistically getting elected. I think race is a much bigger factor than the media is mentioning. I think white people will overwhelmingly pull for Hillary if it comes down to the wire.

Of course if it's a choice between Hillary and a republican candidate then i'll just have to grit my teeth and cast my vote for Hillary. It's a shitty choice though but i'd absolutely hate to see another republican in office especially with the disastrous Bush presidency still looming over us. Also the republican hopefuls are all screwjobs. I can't stand McCaine or Huckabee. McCaine has a good record as a war veteran but his comments about asians are fairly disrespectful and I also don't like his ideas on foreign policy.

[yoMAMA]

Originally Posted by Paradox

I am morally opposed to voting for Hillary Clinton. I think she's a sketchy character and has a history of weird stuff going on with her law firm. I also don't like her flip flops on health care. It seems like she accepted payoffs from HMOs to flip flop her stance. I don't think anything was ever proven but it really does appear that way and she has always seemed a little too ambitious about her image.

I like Obama too and think he's the better of the two but I don't know what his chances are of realistically getting elected. I think race is a much bigger factor than the media is mentioning. I think white people will overwhelmingly pull for Hillary if it comes down to the wire.

Of course if it's a choice between Hillary and a republican candidate then i'll just have to grit my teeth and cast my vote for Hillary. It's a shitty choice though but i'd absolutely hate to see another republican in office especially with the disastrous Bush presidency still looming over us. Also the republican hopefuls are all screwjobs. I can't stand McCaine or Huckabee. McCaine has a good record as a war veteran but his comments about asians are fairly disrespectful and I also don't like his ideas on foreign policy.

I think there is a popular way of thinking that, if you are not white, you should automatically identify with the democrats no matter what; that republicans are somehow "evil".

Republican presidents usually have a friendlier relationship with Asian nations than Democratic presidents.

Democratic presidents usually are very protectionistic in terms of trade with Asia. That's why I could never support any other democratic candidates. I support Obama because he is post-partisan, and he is a transformational figure.

Hillary Clinton is a neocon Bush lite. She is a washington insider. Do we really want another Clinton after another Bush Do we really want to go back to the corrupt 1990s Clinton white house?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

So have any of you Democrats thought about voting for Hillary even though you prefer Obama, if you feel that when it comes down to it Hillary wil have a better chance against a Republican white man than Obama?

[SunWuKong]

Originally Posted by yoMAMA

Democratic presidents usually are very protectionistic in terms of trade with Asia. That's why I could never support any other democratic candidates. I support Obama because he is post-partisan, and he is a transformational figure.

uh... dude... Obama has said that he would consider banning all toys from China...

Obama says he's a uniter, but his political positions certainly don't support that. no offence, but this is one of the reasons why i don't understand Obama supporters. that and the amount of hate they have for Hillary when both Hillary and Obama basically have the same political agendas.

[AngryABCGirl]

Originally Posted by SunWuKong

uh... dude... Obama has said that he would consider banning all toys from China...

Obama says he's a uniter, but his political positions certainly don't support that. no offence, but this is one of the reasons why i don't understand Obama supporters. that and the amount of hate they have for Hillary when both Hillary and Obama basically have the same political agendas.

I actually believe in a far more liberal agenda that either of them have, which are quite similar, so I do think Obama will have a better chance of advancing that agenda than Hilary will because she is inherently such a polarizing figure. He's actually passed bipartisian legislation too. She'll lose against McCain, which is a huge factor for me. If things were flipped around, and she had a greater chance than Obama, I'd honestly probably vote for her. No endless wars please. I didn't mind Hilary at first initially, but she's really pissing me off as a woman in having to lob her husband around to get her elected and crying on television. I want a woman to be a national leader as much as any other, but I don't want one that plays to get elected as the wife of a former president. Wimp ass to me.

[haplesshobo]

Originally Posted by yoMAMA

Democratic presidents usually are very protectionistic in terms of trade with Asia. That's why I could never support any other democratic candidates. I support Obama because he is post-partisan, and he is a transformational figure.

Seriously, dude, I've got to question how much you actually know about Obama. You criticize Edwards for his populist message when you don't realize that Obama copied that exact populist message to win Iowa. Here's a guy who's said he'd ban all toys from China, compared outsourcing to the VT massacre, used China as a bogeyman and scapegoat in his commercial, and released that vile, racist Punjab memo and yet you wouldn't support any other Democrats cause they're protectionist on trade? Huh??!!

When you call Obama post-partisian, then how come he didn't join the Gang of 14, a bipartisan group of Democrats and Republicans, who broke with their party lines to broker a compromise.

Originally Posted by yoMAMA

I think there is a popular way of thinking that, if you are not white, you should automatically identify with the democrats no matter what; that republicans are somehow "evil".

Eer, you do realize that when APIA leaders argue why Asians should support Obama, it inevitably boils down to the 'he's not a white male' argument?

There may be reasons to support Obama, but just not the reasons you're supporting him for.

[SunWuKong]

Originally Posted by haplesshobo

When you call Obama post-partisian, then how come he didn't join the Gang of 14, a bipartisan group of Democrats and Republicans, who broke with their party lines to broker a compromise.

this is one of the things that gets McCain a positive checkmark for me personally. he spearheaded the Gang of 14 as a Republican when a Republican-controlled Senate was trying to do away with filibusters so that the Republicans can push their agendas through. and rightly so - those same Republicans that wanted the nuclear option would be crying now if they can't filibuster the currently Democrat-majority Senate. this is also why i think McCain would be more of a "uniter" than Obama.

[haplesshobo]

Originally Posted by SunWuKong

this is one of the things that gets McCain a positive checkmark for me personally. he spearheaded the Gang of 14 as a Republican when a Republican-controlled Senate was trying to do away with filibusters so that the Republicans can push their agendas through.

That's one of the reasons conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter don't like McCain and don't trust him cause too many times in the past, McCain has broken party ranks and reached out to the Democrats.

If Obama was really as post-partisan as he claimed, then you'd see a similar movement by the far left to deny Obama the nomination instead of the support groups like MoveOn.Org are giving him.

[SunWuKong]

Originally Posted by haplesshobo

If Obama was really as post-partisan as he claimed, then you'd see a similar movement by the far left to deny Obama the nomination instead of the support groups like MoveOn.Org are giving him.

good point.

instead he got Kennedy to support him.

[Joeschmoe]

Chinese are big supporters of Clinton. They are known as candidates for China. Koreans support them as well, i dont know about the Japanese.

[Zdrav]

If Obama was really as post-partisan as he claimed, then you'd see a similar movement by the far left to deny Obama the nomination instead of the support groups like MoveOn.Org are giving him.

MoveOn.org is not the far left.

[yoMAMA]

Originally Posted by Joeschmoe

i dont know about the Japanese.

I don't know about Japanese Americans, but Japan absolutely hate the Clintons. They usually prefer Republican presidents, and the Clinton administration back in the 1990s had numerous trade wars with Japan, and had a very condescending attitude towards Japanese economic system.