relations between Vietnamese and Cantonese peoples

[kyopojin]

Originally Posted by SunWuKong

why is that?

It was my ( sarcastic ) attempt to discredit any " falsehood " floating on the net all things related to Cantonese have no roots in Hua-Xia heritage rather Yue origin.

There are countless accredited Chinese sources written on modern-day Cantonese dialect is one Chinese language has retained many classic Chinese of Central Plains,it sprung from Tang court language.Japanese's On'yomi reading comprises of 4 Chinese pronunciations,one which is Cantonese.

However,I do think it's probable some local " sub-dialects " in Canton and Guangxi provinces might have Tai-Kadai roots or origin since there is definitely a percentage of Sinicized indigenous Yue descedants in the overall 2-Guang populations.

[kyopojin]

Originally Posted by SunWuKong

did any linguist try to make this claim, or is that just your opinion? because you know, it could just be a coincidence. i mean, the adjective either comes before or after the noun, most of the time anyway.

I have no credible sources to provide at this moment,just my assessment of possible French influences entrenched in Vietnamese culture based on whatever I've known since childhood.

[SunWuKong]

Originally Posted by kyopojin

It was my ( sarcastic ) attempt to discredit any " falsehood " floating on the net all things related to Cantonese have no roots in Hua-Xia heritage rather Yue origin.

There are countless accredited Chinese sources written on modern-day Cantonese dialect is one Chinese language has retained many classic Chinese of Central Plains,it sprung from Tang court language.Japanese's On'yomi reading comprises of 4 Chinese pronunciations,one which is Cantonese.

However,I do think it's probable some local " sub-dialects " in Canton and Guangxi provinces might have Tai-Kadai roots or origin since there is definitely a percentage of Sinicized indigenous Yue descedants in the overall 2-Guang populations.

i think linguists basically agree that Cantonese came from Middle Chinese. the only thing that some of them is saying is that some of the tones in modern-day Standard Cantonese came from the Tai language family.

[SunWuKong]

Originally Posted by kyopojin

I have no credible sources to provide at this moment,just my assessment of possible French influences entrenched in Vietnamese culture based on whatever I've known since childhood.

ok, well you should know that in French, adjectives don't always come after the noun. sometimes it comes before the noun. for example, petite enfant (little child), or grande pomme (big apple), etc. i don't know if this is also true in Vietnamese though.

[kyopojin]

On French and Vietnamese language matters,I am lacking in-depth knowlege therefore I have nothing to add for now.

There is another equation to what I have already written in previous posts,non-Yue origin Han Chinese men have been fathered a percentage of ethnic Vietnamese population.

[kyopojin]

duplicate

[kyopojin]

Originally Posted by SunWuKong

the only thing that some of them is saying is that some of the tones in modern-day Standard Cantonese came from the Tai language family.

I've just re-read one chapter dedicates to Cantonese and outside influences in one Chinese-language book titled " Wu-Yup culture ",it has no mentioning of indigenous Yue or Zhuang linguistic impact on the dialect.I don't doubt adoptation of some local words have Tai-origin,but no overall significance.