guns suck

[loserbutt]

I've always wondered why some people get so obsessed about guns. they're just tools, and an unbalancing one at that. a gun allows a 98 pound weakling to kill the 300 pound he man, but what does that say about the 98 pound weakling? basically, how could anyone be so fascinated by an instrument who's sole purpose is killing/maiming people?

[SunWuKong]

ok i want to stress that let there be a debate about gun control but i'll be keeping an eye on this thread and it'll be closed the minute there is a specific personal attack.

[thaite]

Guns are tools. They require maturity and responsibility.

Don't know why that should mean they and the people who use them 'suck.'

[ellsworth81]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Nov 22 2002, 02:49 PM
I've always wondered why some people get so obsessed about guns. they're just tools, and an unbalancing one at that. a gun allows a 98 pound weakling to kill the 300 pound he man, but what does that say about the 98 pound weakling? basically, how could anyone be so fascinated by an instrument who's sole purpose is killing/maiming people?

have you ever seen how a gun actually works (the mechanical process)? i think it's kind of clever and rather fascinating much like the four-stroke combustion engine.

also, guns empower people that are lacking. it makes us feel strong. cars and planes give us the same satisfaction because we get to defy gravity and move at inhuman speeds. and people aren't about to give up power anytime soon once they've gotten a taste of it.

how does the 98 pound thing relate to this?

and i can't really argue the usefulness of guns. that's a tough ground to hold.

[angel nympho]

Does it really matter WHY we have them? We have them and they are here to stay. And as long as there are gun-toting criminals out there, I want one to keep my family safe.... to even the score. To not allow that otherwise 98-pound weaking to be stronger than me. A... uh, 100-pound weakling. :huh:

[ren28]

I've always wondered why people have a hate of guns when they know nothing about them. These are the same people that talk trash while hiding behind a computer screen, bashing gun owners for absolutely no reason. It is the worst when one assumes that guns will automatically be used for bad reasons. The gun owner is automatically guilty in these peoples' eyes. This probably stems from the fear of guns and simple ignorance. One could say a smaller person needs a gun to fight back against an attacking 300lb monster. But, who is the aggressor here? Should a smaller person not be allowed to defend himself against a big person or has this become free-for-all for 300lb barbarians?

It is very obvious to me that the only "obsession" here lies with people who hate guns. They assume a gun is "an instrument who's sole purpose is killing/maiming people" which is laughable. People use guns for target shooting. People use guns to learn about them and not be afraid of them. People use guns to keep the peace. Most of all, people who are open and free use them as an enjoyable pastime.

Many politicians are making new laws on guns while they know NOTHING about guns other than it gets them votes. They know most people don't know about guns so they make extra laws to sound like they really care. These politicians play off of peoples' ignorance/fear of guns to get votes. For instance... what is the use of registering an assault rifle again when it's already registered? There is none but that law was passed. That law was an attempt to take peoples' fully legal and registered firearm. No mail. No phonecalls. They expected people to just know about this law through word of mouth. If the deadline was not made... bye bye to the weapon even though it was registered when purchased. This whole time... the government knew full well who owned what. It was just another exercise in the waste of taxpayers money. It was a great victory in the eyes of ignorant voters and to politicians that cashed in on all those votes.

There are enough gun laws in CA. People already cannot buy more than 10 round clips. People cannot have fully auto guns. People cannot get guns over the counter without a waiting period. These CA laws are good and right. People really need to get a grip when it comes to guns and not make judgements based on ignorance and fear.

[Elizabeth A.]

I agree. Guns do suck. Have you seen "Bowling for Columbine"?

[ellsworth81]

fundamentally, i dont really think you can blame guns. if anything, you need to blame people who use guns to kill/hurt others. its kind of like saying rocks and sticks suck because they can kill people. they're all tools misused by stupid, uncaring people. and i'm all for getting rid of them or rehabbing them. whatever comes first i guess.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Guns do not suck. They are an investment, just like stocks and mutual funds, the appreciate over time. Currently my gun collection is worth over $85,000. I have weapons I have collected on the battlefields in Afganistan-----Krinkov, AK-47, AK-74, (fully automatic). These are my war trophies. I have several register, in accordance w/ the NFA act, full auto MP-5 subguns, FN SAW light machine gun, and COLT M-4 carbine. I also have many different silencers for these weapons. Everything is register, per BATF regs.

My toys are currently located in a neighboring state, due to the Republic of Kalifornia ban on new assault weapon entering the state.

Light REN 28 state, some people enjoy hunting and professional target shooting.

If for some reason I can't continue to attend MED school due to a lack of funds, I can always sale my collection for the purpose of finacing school.

I have many friends who are professional---DDS,MD,ESQ, who own and shoot machine guns weekly (TACOMA, WA; Portland, OR: San Antonio , TX, Louisville, KY etc..etc..). It an expensive hobby, but many enjoy it. That's how I started out collecting these exotic toys. The starting price for a Legal register M-16 is $9000.00.. That's the reason why many can't afford these toys except for the professional.

I currently resided in the Los Angeles area. I planned to go target shooting in Las Vegas(5 hours away), where my toys are located (my uncle's ranch), sometime in December. Anyone who is intrested in joining me, send me an email. It's not an everyday thing that you get to fired a real machine gun or sub-machine gun. Maybe your perspective on firearms will change..............................

[wylin]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Nov 22 2002, 05:35 PM
Guns do not suck. They are an investment, just like stocks and mutual funds, the appreciate over time. Currently my gun collection is worth over $85,000. I have weapons I have collected on the battlefields in Afganistan-----Krinkov, AK-47, AK-74, (fully automatic). These are my war trophies. I have several register, in accordance w/ the NFA act, full auto MP-5 subguns, FN SAW light machine gun, and COLT M-4 carbine. I also have many different silencers for these weapons. Everything is register, per BATF regs.

My toys are currently located in a neighboring state, due to the Republic of Kalifornia ban on new assault weapon entering the state.

Light REN 28 state, some people enjoy hunting and professional target shooting.

If for some reason I can't continue to attend MED school due to a lack of funds, I can always sale my collection for the purpose of finacing school.

I have many friends who are professional---DDS,MD,ESQ, who own and shoot machine guns weekly (TACOMA, WA; Portland, OR: San Antonio , TX, Louisville, KY etc..etc..). It an expensive hobby, but many enjoy it. That's how I started out collecting these exotic toys. The starting price for a Legal register M-16 is $9000.00.. That's the reason why many can't afford these toys except for the professional.

I currently resided in the Los Angeles area. I planned to go target shooting in Las Vegas(5 hours away), where my toys are located (my uncle's ranch), sometime in December. Anyone who is intrested in joining me, send me an email. It's not an everyday thing that you get to fired a real machine gun or sub-machine gun. Maybe your perspective on firearms will change..............................

nice looting of dead soldiers still continues?! i just was watching band or brothers DVD omg...those looters are hard core.

[lethal]

I don't think guns are inherently evil. They can serve both useful and harmful purposes. Guns are inanimate objects, they don't think and act for themselves. Really, it is the person behind the gun who misuses it who is evil.

I also favor most gun control laws. Background checks, waiting periods, registration, banning of specific superhazardous gun...theses are all good measures. I certainly don't want something that can kill in the hands of a convicted felon or someone with reduced mental capacity. I don't want a gun bought for the purpose of an immediate criminal activity.

Legitimate gun owners should respect the purpose of these laws, which is to keep legitimate goods out of the hands of illegitimate people. Admittedly some gun laws are written and enforced contrary to these goals. But for the good laws, no gun owner or purchaser should object to a background check or a waiting period (why do they need the gun so soon and if they knew about it, why didn't they plan ahead and buy the gun earlier?). Registration should also be a good thing, especially bullet registration, if it helps catch a criminal like the recent DC sniper.

One argument against gun control is that the majority of guns used in crimes are not obtained legally, so these laws would not prevent them. My response to that is true, but many crimes are perpetrated using legit weapons. If we can help stop them, isn't it woorth a little hassle?

[shaka.brah]

I find it pretty amazing when people place blame on the gun, but not the person behind the gun .. When a drunk driver crashes his car and kills some innocent bystander, I NEVER hear anyone blame the beer or the car ...

[ellsworth81]

Originally posted by shaka.brah@Nov 22 2002, 06:42 PM
I find it pretty amazing when people place blame on the gun, but not the person behind the gun .. When a drunk driver crashes his car and kills some innocent bystander, I NEVER hear anyone blame the beer or the car ...

I'm glad someone noticed that :blink:

[deez nuts]

Curse that gun! The gun walked away by itself and shot someone again!

[amietron]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Nov 22 2002, 05:35 PM
I currently resided in the Los Angeles area. I planned to go target shooting in Las Vegas(5 hours away), where my toys are located (my uncle's ranch), sometime in December. Anyone who is intrested in joining me, send me an email. It's not an everyday thing that you get to fired a real machine gun or sub-machine gun. Maybe your perspective on firearms will change..............................

So, can I go? I wanna try shooting a machine gun. Would I have to get parental consent?

Do you ever go to the range to shoot clay disks? Or hunting?