Jury Awards Record $28 Billion to Ex-Smoker

[sandra]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 7 2002, 02:06 AM
All I have is a question, and a legal one at that. Can non U.S. citizens, or citizens of other countries also sue U.S. tobacco companies?

i actually am not certain about my answer. but my guess is that they can probably sue the company in their own country if that company owns property there. unless they own property in the u.s. or are permanent residents of the u.s., they will not have standing to bring suit here. i'd double-check my answer with arex though.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Reinhard H.@Oct 6 2002, 06:03 PM
Instead of this compensation crap, why not just raise taxes on cigarettes, that way every smoker has to pay a surcharge for his destructive behaviour and society as a whole gets the money. In addition it offers an incentive for people to smoke less.

Christ...the taxes for cigarettes have been raised enough! I heard in NY it was almost $7 for a pack of cigs. It's $4.80 around the corner from my apartment.

Less than four years ago you could get a pack for a little over $2.00.

[sandra]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Oct 7 2002, 02:11 AM

Christ...the taxes for cigarettes have been raised enough! I heard in NY it was almost $7 for a pack of cigs. It's $4.80 around the corner from my apartment.

Less than four years ago you could get a pack for a little over $2.00.

it's $3.70 at the gas station on third.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 6 2002, 05:22 PM
All of them, actually. And I have good reasons for thinking that, too.

This I gotta hear.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Oct 6 2002, 09:11 PM

Christ...the taxes for cigarettes have been raised enough! I heard in NY it was almost $7 for a pack of cigs. It's $4.80 around the corner from my apartment.

Less than four years ago you could get a pack for a little over $2.00.

$7.50 AB, $7.50 here in Manhattan. And I only go through a pack like once a week, so it doesn't affect me as much as my friend who does a pack a day.


Edit: Geez 4.80?!?! Dude. it hasn't been $4.80 in NY for the past 5-6 years. Uhhhm, ship me a carton of Marlboro Lights?



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[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 6 2002, 05:55 PM
that question was actually a sarcastic response.

I know.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 7 2002, 01:55 AM

that question was actually a sarcastic response.

anyhow, i think they all deserve compensation--smokers and second-hand smoke victims alike.

I agree, but seeing as how it's virtually impossible to guarantee anybody compensation, it's pretty pointless to give one person a HUGE sum of money and expect to have paid your debt to society.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 6 2002, 06:13 PM
$7.50 AB, $7.50 here in Manhattan. And I only go through a pack like once a week, so it doesn't affect me as much as my friend who does a pack a day.

Jesus. Hopefully someday all this anti-nicotine hysteria will end and we'll choose something else to be our big, bad enemy.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 6 2002, 06:13 PM
Edit: Geez 4.80?!?! Dude. it hasn't been $4.80 in NY for the past 5-6 years. Uhhhm, ship me a carton of Marlboro Lights?

Heyyyy...hmmm, did I just find a new job?:) Although I'd probably get killed by the mob eventually.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by mrazntre@Oct 6 2002, 04:44 PM
i bet it was your breath and not the smoke.

*eats Korean BBQ*

*drinks a large coke*

*burps and blows into your face*

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Oct 6 2002, 09:17 PM

Heyyyy...hmmm, did I just find a new job?:) Although I'd probably get killed by the mob eventually.

Lol.

Nah I buy my cigs in Jersey when my friend makes a run out there, I just ask him to pick up a carton for me.

I can't shell out 7.50 for cigs and light it up and burn it, but during the course of the day I just need that jump start. I cut down alot I used to do half a pack a day when I was studying for Part I and II of my boards.

[mrazntre]

i remember when i first turned 18, i would see a pack of cigs advertised for 1.09

i bought a carton for 14 bux a year later.


and then the big bad cig tax came into affect. jsut 2 weeks ago my friend bought 1 carton for 30 bux. danggg.


matters not to me..... since i don't smoke.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 7 2002, 02:07 AM

because people should be compensated for the wrongs done to them.

What wrongs, exactly, have been done to those who begin smoking in this day and age? I highly doubt any American citizen by now thinks cigarette smoking is GOOD for you.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Oct 7 2002, 02:13 AM

This I gotta hear.

What do you think the basis of many organized crime organizations are? Why do you think the streets today are battlegrounds for drug dealers? Because drugs are illegal. Remember alcohol prohibition in the 1920s? I learned in my history class that alcohol prohibition was repealed because organized crime took over the alcohol industry, law enforcement officials were bought, and everything having to do with alcohol was forced into the underground. When things become underground, things become dangerous. Everybody and their fucking MOMS knows that drugs are bad for you. Even if it's against the law, people who want to do drugs will do drugs. Duh. It makes it safer when it's legal.

The majority of drug users are NOT addicts, by the way.

Either way, I've got a lot of support for what I'm talking about here... but this is an entirely different argument than the one going on in this thread.

[sandra]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 7 2002, 04:43 AM

What wrongs, exactly, have been done to those who begin smoking in this day and age? I highly doubt any American citizen by now thinks cigarette smoking is GOOD for you.

i thought we were still on the topic of the plaintiff who was awarded the judgment, not those who began smoking 'in this day and age'. don't forget, the plaintiff started at a much earlier time. it wasn't until i was in high school that smoking in restaurants, etc., was outlawed. up until that point, i didn't know smoking was *that* bad. sure, people knew it was bad, but certainly not as bad as they perceive it to be now. and further, no moral reprehension was felt by most californians towards smokers until recently. it's all about the anti-smoking campaign--which wasn't going on during her time.