White Guys Hitting on Asian Girls at Asian Parties...

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Hito@Sep 13 2002, 07:37 PM


DBS
Could the reason that Asian and Blacks are coming into conflict so much in cities than with whites is because  there are more Asian and Blacks people in the cities than there are whites?
When we talk about the violence we commit against other groups or among our own people we have to look at who is living around us and what social and economic situation of the area.

For instance
If I am attacked in East LA; A low income largely Latino section of town, will it be by  Whites or Asians?
If I am attacked in the low income areas of the local Little Tokyo or China Town Would it be by Hispanics, Blacks or whites? Or economically disadvantaged Asian people?
In these same instances is the attack likely to come from a brother conscious in the struggle or the desperate man who needs that next drug fix and is not in their right mind anyway or someone who has fallen for the lie and jonseing for some retribution?

Sort of in addendum to the above point.
Would I be more likely to be attached on one of these other communities or is it more likely that the people of those communities will come under attack by there own people?
The same way a woman is more likely to be raped by someone they know or a family member. We are more likely to be victims of violence perpetrated by someone who looks like us. Then by extension we as oppressed or disadvantaged peoples are more likely to prey upon one another.
One reason I believe is that there is less consequence if we kill ourselves, than if we say took out europeons. Since our lives have come to have less meaning because continued misrepresentation and dehumanization.

DBS to be real, hito does have a point with some of your examples. Not to belittle what happened to you, your girl, her brother, your friend and her roommates. But it applies to some of your examples. Your girl does live in Harlem (or am I mistaken?). And for those that don't know it is a predominantly black neighborhood.



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[Hito]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 13 2002, 07:31 PM

No, I don't think they were necessarily singling out blacks (or were you guys?), but more so to point out certain realities: you've said before that non-whites were incapable of racism just prejudicial acts. Well, to concede to that (for a moment)...sometimes prejudicial acts kill.

I understand.
All of us are in unique situation here in america and that is the reason that I try to not ever loose sight of that fact.

In a hemogenous country the proglems of the people are clearer.
Here the hows and whys can sometimes become confused.

Originally posted by Hito@Sep 13 2002, 07:37 PM
DBS


Sort of in addendum to the above point.
Would I be more likely to be attached on one of these other communities or is it more likely that the people of those communities will come under attack by there own people?
The same way a woman is more likely to be raped by someone they know or a family member. We are more likely to be victims of violence perpetrated by someone who looks like us. Then by extension we as oppressed or disadvantaged peoples are more likely to prey upon one another.
One reason I believe is that there is less consequence if we kill ourselves, than if we say took out europeons. Since our lives have come to have less meaning because continued misrepresentation and dehumanization.

SWK
If you were to live in a Midwestern Asian community the people you are talking about would be crackas and rednecks.
And just so we are in a place of understanding.
Would you have me believe that Asian people do not use racial epithets in public or among themselves to refer to other peoples of color?
No?

And I ask again who is more likely to be the person these epithets are coming from?
Are they the conscious, educated brother and sisters or the ignorant ones?

It is not my goal nor my desire to minimize either of your experiences or marginilize your pain, but you point out acts of violence and ridicule perpetrated against yourselves and those close to you as if some how no one of another group has been come to harm by the criminal or uninformed element of the Asian community; be it through design or misunderstanding.

Your comments I feel are illustrative of the point I made about marginalized communities being turned against one another.
Because we feel that we “take more shit” in our own communities we run to the white parts of town to do our business, be entertained, shop.
And because you feel that you “take more shit” from blacks as you say’ perhaps you will be more likely to side with whites in saying that the next black man gunned down for pulling his wallet deserved it because he was just like the guy who wronged you.
The men who killed Vincent Chin no doubt felt that they had had Taken enough shit from the Asians as well; Soon Ja Du had “taken enough shit” from blacks, the Blacks in crown heights likely felt as if they had “taken enough shit” from the Jews, and the guys who dragged James Byrd to death had probably “taken enough shit” from the blacks as well.
In all of the instances where it was one “minority” community against another, the europeon gained headway and we again fell back.

I generally hang with a pretty diverse crowd. Most of us or people close to us have been done wrong in the past by other groups of people. Not unlike the experiences you have shared, and sometimes even worse.
But as conscious people we try to understand the reasons “why”; and instead of going on the attack when conscious people from other communities try to gain some ground in this struggle we are all in.
We try to understand that the harm we do to one another can just hold us back and the conditions that keep us in this situation can only be reversed by working together.
Otherwise it just makes the europeons work easier as we pull each other down and hold ourselves back..

I look at things this way.
Asians were not a part of the middle passage and slave trade; it was not Blacks or Latinos that dropped atomic weapons on Nagasaki & Hiroshima.
Neither Asians, Blacks nor Latinos were not responsible for the elimination of each and every single indigenous person in Tasmania or the systematic destruction of the indigenous people of America.
And none of us is responsible for setting up or benefiting from the system of institutionalized racism that continues to keep us on the fringes of society till this day.

Hito

Well all your theories do not apply. NYC's black population is 15%, whites are in the 60 percentile, asians 7%. I did not get robbed or stabbed in a black neighborhood, both incidents were in a predominantly jewish\white part of queens , my gf's brother got robbed on central park bus that runs along museum row near the metropolitan museum. yeah I'm sure you'll get robbed in chinatown and most likely it will be asian mugger. Yeah I guess people were asking for it when they move into a black neighborhood near their campus. But it should not be that way. You bring up we must think "why", there shouldnt be a why.

oppressed, disadvantage people? theres no "we"
I'm neither, I got around your so called opression, its called working hard or "giving in to the europeon" as you would call it.

Rush hour was pretty offensive alright, glad you enjoyed the negative sterotypes of loud mouth blacks ignorant of any culture, demure asian women working in massage parlors, desensualize asian men, black drug/gun dealers, dog eating jokes, and the mocking of my language, cept for don cheadle, he kinda saved the movie.

I dont find offense in your remarks btw

I just find the fact you continue to somehow tie white men to the attrocities that occur between our 2 communities rediculous.

To add to your "blame whitey" reading list, I sugguest you read "stupid white men" by michael moore as well as the "illuminati manfesto"

You really think white people gather every monday morning in a conference room over coffee and donuts discussing ways to demean and opress the minorities? Whats with the europeans bashing, they play no role in your opression? I'm sure the belgiums are plotting as we speak.

"What was run down of last week Bert?"

"Well sir, finally we have the upper hand in the 4 elements of hiphop"

"Stash and Futura are the most popular graffitti artists in the world,europeans dominate the breakdancing competitions,the most popular rapper in the world is white, and we're killing the freestyle battle circuit as well as the backpacker scene and no black man has made it in the top 3 in world DMC's or ITF competitions since roc raida"

"we did slip and let an asian win a few freestyle fridays on BET"

"but on a brighter note we're kicking their behinds in double dutch, and cheerleading"

"and I'd like to add nobody watches UPN, and friends is still the most popular show on tv"

"and we just beat those nips in the little league world championships"

[kimpossible]

Hito,

You didn't do anything wrong. You didn't say anything wrong. Overall you seem to be doing more right than wrong, especially considering there are full blooded Asians on this site that are extremely offensive and have trouble relating to others.

But this is Yellowworld and the site is dedicated to the perspective and issues of Asian Americans. You can expect that the opinions of some here are going to seem pretty harsh to you and I wouldn't hold your breath for them to get more politically correct anytime soon.

The problem I see is that you are trying to connect with Asians on an Asian site on a "Hey, I'm not white either bro, down with the man" type of way and it's incomprehensible to you that some Asians are going to have as much or more problems with blacks as they do with whites.

Being non-white is not the same as being Asian or having an Asian perspective and everyone here is primarily Asian. I hope I can convince you that I'm not just talking out of my ass (despite my dopier posts). Hell, I'm the whitest Asian here - we talk about whites, honkies, and your favorite Hito, euroPeons. I could turn around and say the same thing: what did I say to offend anyone? I don't because I know why Asians and blacks talk about white folks, I don't take it personally or feel offended and I highly value a space where Asians can talk freely. Those terms and core values were clearly understood by me when I joined this community.

I'm going to pause here before I write an essay, plus I want to give you a chance to respond as I imagine I may not have clearly presented the things I was thinking.

Forum conversation: moving at the snail's speed of internet posting.

[SunWuKong]

Hito,

Sorry for the slow response. I've been in NYC for the last few days.

I'm sorry if I seem to be targetting black people, but the reality of the situation is that while the guy who might keep me from my promotion is white, the guy who is going to rob me is most likely going to be black. No, I don't think all or most black people are criminals, but to the best of my knowledge none of my family members have ever been physically victimized by white people. They were all victimized by black people.

If you have alot of black relatives who were victimized in Chinatown by Asian people, I would love to hear of it. Hell, while I was away in NYC, I actually saw a black kid running away with a stolen watch from a shop on Canal Street (part of NYC Chinatown), leaving the Chinese owner yelling after him.

But the reason I'm pointing this reality out is that I think it's a little ridiculous to say that "minorities" have a common enemy in white people. The problems Asian people have and the problems black people have are not alike at all. Sure, there may be a few similar problems, but sorry, in my opinion, I think Asian people and black people face very different struggles. Placing Asian people so easily in the "minority" group is tantamount to marginalizing them.

And yeah, I know plenty of racist Asian people. But none of them have ever robbed or mugged a black person. For being Asian, white people probably are more likely to think of me as smarter than I actually am, instead of thinking of me as a criminal on first sight, so sorry, I don't feel that white people are trying to keep me down, at least not directly, and certainly not in the same way that they keep black people down. And sorry if I come off as sounding racist, but past experiences have taught me to be more worried about being mugged by a black dude than being demoted by a white dude.



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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Sep 17 2002, 11:38 PM

Whites are going to think of you--just because you are Asian--smarter than you really are(no matter where you hail from), but because I am Black...never lived or been near a ghetto...I will be thought of as a criminal....

I have more to say, but if you can clarify....I will greatly appreciate it...

that is generally the stereotypes (although a watered down simplification) that society perpetuates.

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Sep 17 2002, 11:38 PM

And, I don't believe you were really reading Hito's post....

no i understand what he's saying. what he offered are reasons why asians might be victimized by black people, which is that asian people and black people both like to live in urban areas, but that certainly failed to justify the victimization. for one thing, i am seeing it as a one-way relationship. perhaps i simply don't know enough black people. do you know many black people who were victimized by asian people? and no, i am not trying to imply that black people are singling out asian people. i am very certain that black people victimize themselves more than anybody else. but my original post - as i was trying to explain in my second post - was to illustrate that it's ridiculous to think of white people as a "common enemy" when asian people are being victimized by black people. i had a feeling that Hito missed what i was trying to convey the first time around because he was busy verifying that not all black people are criminals, which is something i never claimed, however, i do know for a fact that asian people i know in the cities have been victimized more by black people than by white people. i am saying that if an asian person was to be victimized, the victimizer would probably be black - which is not the same as saying that all or most black people are victimizers, it's only saying that there's a minority of black people who are victimizers, and that minority happens to make up a disproportionately big percentage of victimizers in general.

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Sep 17 2002, 11:38 PM

You are in NYC...

no i don't live in NYC. i've lived there before and i have relatives there. i just came back from a visit.

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Sep 17 2002, 11:38 PM

I'm pretty sure if you were to move to...let's say Little Italy...you would be "victimized" by Whites...more than you would be "victimized" by Blacks...

not really. Little Italy in NYC has been pretty much eatened up by Chinatown.

but i understand your point. however, "white" areas do not exactly dominate the cities. and many "white" areas are also rich areas, which is to say that those areas are generally low in crime. asian people are bound to come across or even live in black areas. and sorry to perpetuate another stereotype, but it's only a fact that low-income areas in the cities are predominately black, and they are also high in crime. it would be nice if we can all avoid these areas, but sometimes we cannot afford to. i think all my relatives would love to live in uptown manhattan. but life is not so peachy for them.

so would asian people be victimized just as much by white people if they frequent the "white" areas more than the "black" areas? i maintain that they would be victimized more in the "black" areas because they are also the low-income areas with high crime rates.


i realize it may be un-PC or taboo to talk about black people victimizing asian people. but i think most asian people who have lived in the city would probably agree that they get more shit from black people than from white people.



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[kimpossible]

KB, I'm going to ask you a question openly because I'm at a place where I'm both curious and I just don't understand. If you think I'm being sarcastic, please don't, I can assure you that I like to ask questions rather than sit in the dark wondering.

Let's say you 'win' a debate with Monkey (Sun Wu-Kung). Or somehow just tire him out so that he doesn't want to debate about this anymore. What do you get from this site? Other than some chat about Asian videogames and anime?

To be fair to Monkey, I think he's been expressing the same thing all along: the concerns and goals of the Asian community, men or whatever is not easily swept under the umbrella of the minority struggle as we have heard it from black men [on this site]. At least, that's what I'm hearing from him.

And why single out Monkey? Why not DaBestSpooner, AliBaba or myself?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Posted on Sep 18 2002, 02:08 AM

Well, we know that there are both sides of the picture...the old story of the Asian shopkeeper who looks down on his/her Black customers...(not denying that there are Blacks who steal)...so forth...

So what are we comparing here? The Asian shopkeeper looking down on his black customers, and his black customers stealing from him? Are the thefts supposed to be justifiable because the Asian shopkeepers are looking down on his black customers?

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Posted on Sep 18 2002, 02:08 AM

Hmm, the same lily-white areas where people were so surprised that something like Columbine happened...

I thought Columbine was in the suburbs? And we've been talking about urban areas right? There aren't usually even "black" areas in suburban areas and rural areas. And the Columbine incident isn't even a comparable situation to what we've been talking about. We're talking about Asian people being mugged, robbed, physically threatened, etc, by black people.

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Posted on Sep 18 2002, 02:08 AM

Now, how about an area like Baldwin Hills or Lamert Heights? Not a ghetto, but known as the Black Beverly Hills with middle-class African-Americans residing there....

Well, I'm sure things are very different there. But how many "Black Beverly Hills" are there in this country? I personally have never been to one. All the "black" neighborhoods I've been to are low-income neighborhoods with high crime rates. I'm just stating a fact here. Hey I would love for the crime rates to decrease, so Asian people living or going through those neighborhoods wouldn't be victimized.

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Posted on Sep 18 2002, 02:08 AM

here is the stereotype that some Blacks hold, that some Asians desire to be White, so they hold some "White" views toward Blacks--the reason that some Blacks may have second thoughts about Asians....(ie, "victimized" by Asians)...

Is that supposed to be justification for victimizing Asian people? And I don't even consider "being looked down on" as victimization. Your life isn't exactly in physical danger when you're looked down on. However, your life would be in danger if someone was holding a gun or knife in your direction. Like I've said before in my previous post, I have no doubt that many Asian people have racist views. But do you know any black person who have been held at gun-point or knife-point by an Asian person? I personally don't. "Victimized"? That's not going to fly with me. Sorry, but to me, having your life threatened is 100 times worse than being looked down on for your race.

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Posted on Sep 18 2002, 02:08 AM

...the thing is, are you going to judge on the individual or conform to "society"....??

And like I've also said in my previous post, I do not think that all or most black people are criminals. I think that only a minority of black people are criminals. However, it is a fact that out of the entire pool of criminals in urban areas, a disproportionate percentage of them are black. That means that in the city, the percentage of criminals that are black is bigger than the percentage of the population that is black. Hey, I'm not going to cringe in fear everytime a black guy walks by, but if I'm going to be mugged, then I'm probably going to be mugged by a black guy. Yeah sorry that's a very stereotypical view, but it's been true so far for all my relatives.

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Posted on Sep 18 2002, 02:08 AM

-I would like to travel to Japan, possibly Hong Kong, Indonesia...Vietnam...(Heck, even Korea!)

(Now, narrow-minded thinking would have me consider: Now, because I am "Black" am I going to be hurt because I am not a White American? It is supposedly believed that "American" means "White")...

Yeah you'll probably encounter racism. But crime rates in Asian cities are alot lower than crime rates in American cities. For that, I doubt you'd be mugged at knife-point or gun-point. But do be careful of your wallet. If people there pick your pocket, it would be because you're a tourist, not because you're black. The fact that you're black would probably intimidate them from doing that to you actually.

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Posted on Sep 18 2002, 02:08 AM

There was an instance in Japan about an African being beaten to death...

Yeah how often does that happen? On a daily basis, the same way that Asian people are victimized by black people? Hell, I've read that women in Japan love to sleep with black guys. Good luck.


This discussion is going out of scope. My point is that black people and Asian people can't be grouped together and then find a "common enemy" in white people. And unless I'm mistaken, you're trying to argue that black people don't victimize Asian people. Well look, it happens. But like I've said in my previous post, I don't think black people single out Asian people. I am certain that black people victimize themselves more than anybody else.

Just as not every black person is a criminal, not every white person is an oppressive boss. So if you ask me who Asian people's "enemy" is, I'm not going to say white people...

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Posted on Sep 18 2002, 02:08 AM

Question: I noticed you made a comment about submitting your resume to a Black-owned company like I described above....why did you change your mind?

Actually I edited that out because it seemed kind of out of place with the rest of my post. But yeah if you know of a black-owned company that is hiring programmers, let me know.

[deez nuts]

It comes down to personal experience. The one time I got mugged was by a white guy. The one time I got jumped was by a bunch of white guys (probably looking for a minority to beat down). When I was in college at Columbia, my apartment was broken into by a white guy. So as for me I'm more suspect of that shifty looking white guy than a black guy. My black friend got jumped by asians. Asian kids used to beat up black kids in Flushing a few years ago. Black kids were beating up on Asian kids in Flushing too.


Like I said, it just comes down to personal experience. I can understand why SWK and DBS are wary of black people, but they've also said it's not a testimony of all blacks. They just choose to be more street smart, if that involves being more cautious around black people, can you blame them? It's called self preservation. It doesn't make either of them racists against blacks or a possible member of some black hating asian group. Neither of those two have given me the impression that they hate blacks.

As for the whole asian and black common cause. I don't really buy into it, sorry. I don't think it's fair to clump all minorities into a whole and say we share the same fight and plight. At times we do, but a good majority of the time we don't. It's just the way I see it.

[DaBestSpooner]

as usual chasiubao knows how to sum things up.

Hollah!

[optiontoo]

I think it has to do more with the guy being a dipshit than being caucasian.

I'm pretty sure an Asian guy hitting on a white girl has happened at least once in history. No laws against that.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by professor frink@Sep 18 2002, 07:59 PM
have you ever stopped to consider why blacks are disporpotionately in prison and 'commiting crimes'? its a thing called slavery. and to hello hapa - even though monkey(?) is just representing his asian-american view, it does not have to be at the expense of another person of color, who took obvious offense - i took offense as well. this is hella sad - we attack eachother, blame eachother, and no matter how cliche it's to say now, we never realize that it's the history of white racism, colonialism, and 'superiority', that caused this rift between two communities of COLOR. is that a word that we asians forgot? that we're yellow? because sometimes i feel that the people here on this site believe themselves to be white (uh, oh, something i said). of course the conditions and struggles blacks and asians have suffered aren't the same -but they're hella similiar. geez, langton hughes would be turning over in his grave (god rest his soul) and richard aoki would be fuming now if he heard this riduculous argument.
love, prof. frink

yes i realize that my views may be offensive to some people. but nonetheless those are my views and if you haven't noticed, i've apologized in my previous posts if they seem racist.

let me ask you something, does slavery give black people a free ticket to victimize others (and themselves as well)?

and no, i don't consider asian people and black people in this country to be in the same group such that we (asians and blacks) can use "each other" to refer to the other. i have never denied that white people are the cause of many problems that different groups of minorities have. i wish nothing but for african american communities across the country to raise their economic status, but if you ask me which group presents more of a direct problem for local asian communities in the cities, well i'd have to say black people.

go ask a chinese store owner in chinatown who steals from him more, black people or white people.

and asians and blacks may have had similar struggles in the past, but that no longer applies today. the problems we faced in the past were things such as denial of citizenship, denial of the right to vote, unfair judiciary practices, racist laws, forced segregation, etc etc. these things have largely been eliminated through the civil rights movements. the problems that white people bestow upon asians and blacks today are largely different. i think it's naive to think that we're so alike that we have a "common enemy" in white people.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by professor frink@Sep 18 2002, 04:59 PM
is that a word that we asians forgot? that we're yellow? because sometimes i feel that the people here on this site believe themselves to be white (uh, oh, something i said). of course the conditions and struggles blacks and asians have suffered aren't the same -but they're hella similiar. geez, langton hughes would be turning over in his grave (god rest his soul) and richard aoki would be fuming now if he heard this riduculous argument.
love, prof. frink

Professor Frink, with all due respect, I don't think it's that yw members think they're white, I think many of us are just less easily swayed to the rhetoric we learned in AA 101. Many of us have grown very accustomed and familiar to your argument (and all too accustomed to the labeling and stereotyping that accompanies any questioning of it). I think the point one of the valid points of this thread has been: while white racism has created an atmosphere that can cause minorities to be pitted against one another, the fact remains that minorities must still be held accountable. There's a fine line between challenging an infrastructure that begets white privilege and of absolving all guilt for ourselves.

But of course, this is just more high-minded fluff. You correctly point out that a disproportionate number of blacks are in prison -- often times for crimes that whites would never be incarcerated for. That said, it does nothing for those who are victims of violent crime perpetrated by blacks or any other non-white: "Sorry ma'am, the man who assaulted you for your money did so because he had no choice, blame the white man -- he has all the choices."

We're just simple pawns.

No thanks.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Sep 19 2002, 12:46 AM
Can you post some of the rampant victimizations toward Asians that Blacks have done recently? If not, throughout the years...

Sure. There was this little incident called the "LA Riots" from 1992. A billion dollars of damage in total to the city, for which Korean Americans alone suffered half of. Does anyone remember seeing signs that said, "Black Owned"?

Another statistic? In 1991 alone, seven Korean store owners in New York were murdered by African American assailants. I remember hearing Angela Oh say that 11 Korean store owners were murdered so far in 1993, and it had only been the summer.

Here's a link from someone I pretty-much detest:

http://www.kacdc.org/news_dcviolence_undeclaimed.html

Does this mean I have something against Blacks? I personally don't think so, and it's certainly not something I ever shy away from when the subject comes up, just as I would never want my black friends to skuttle around the issue of racist Korean shop owners -- because these things are real, and they're not going away. I'm not the type of person to play down differences in order to seek consensus; I'd rather deal with our differences first, since our consensus should be implied.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Sep 19 2002, 03:46 AM
SunWuKung,


Believe it or not, slavery happened.....um...2, 3, 400 years ago...(that's n the past)...

There are good and bad Black people...(I believe I said this before)...

And, yes, you do have some that do victimize one another, unfortunately...

Belive it or not, African-Americans don't gather once in a blue moon and say, "Let's see how we are going to victimize the Asian man today--like the White man did us years ago"...or "We went through slavery, so that gives us every right to do whatever we please!"

(You have to forgive me--the fact that my roomies are Vietnamese, who I consider my family....it's kind of baffling)...

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Can you post some of the rampant victimizations toward Asians that Blacks have done recently? If not, throughout the years....

...I'm not talking about just in Chinatown....

Maybe you can add to this list:

Link #1

Link #2

Vincent Chin and Rodney King

Vincent Chin 2

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Now, Chausiubo_Boy mentioned in an earlier post, that if you want to be wary of African-Americans as a whole (ie, "street smart" as he put it)...that is your business, of course...

However...a retraction, please...

Note: Probably if you and I were to meet--in Chinatown no less(are you from the Bay Area?)--we would probably have a very "enlightening" conversation...and probably walk away, the best of friends.... (I read some of your posts, and even though I don't agree with everything....you seem to be a decent person)....

However, that's why I'm here....to learn about my Asian "peeps," and hear about their side of the story....(something that is really lacking in the two communites)....I think...

...Communication.... :)

my comment regarding slavery was towards professor frink, who seemed to me to want to use it as justification for blacks commiting crimes, which is something i disagree with. i think your sarcastic remark about how "African-Americans don't gather once in a blue moon..." would be better used if thrown towards her direction.

let me repeat, for a third time, that i wholly believe that it is only a minority of black people who commit crimes. it seems to me that you are not understanding this. and for examples of black people victimizing asian people, i need to look no further than the experiences of my own relatives. they have been repeatedly robbed, mugged, beat up, etc, by black people, and not ever by white people. and once again for a third time let me point out that i don't think black people single out asian people to target. i think they victimize themselves more than any other racial group. but the fact that they do victimize asian people leads me to think that it's a little ridiculous to think we have such a "common enemy" in white people.