Sony PSP vs. Nintendo DS

[thaite]

Well, what's your choice gonna be?

Sony PSP

more at Gamespot

or the
Nintendo DS

more at Gamespot

[Arex]

What's kinda neat about the DS is that it's very reminiscent of the old school dual screen Nintendo GameWatch pocket games from back in the day before Nintendo became a household name. Those were the original portable games. On the other hand, are the two screens really anything that couldn't be accomplished with one much bigger, wider or taller screen (take, for example, the PSP's superwide screen)? Touch screen ability is kinda cool though for a gaming system, and I'm sure Nintendo will figure out cool ways to incorporate it into their games. Bluetooth and Wi-Fi capability sound like fun as well. With backwards compatibility for GameBoy/GBA games, and a price of $150, it sounds like an instant winner in my book. On the other hand, look at that screen on the PSP!! *drool*

RX

[kimpossible]

PSP. It's sexier.

[BigLew]

PSP "same graphical quality as the PS2" plus that looked like a Gran Turismo. I'd get it for that alone. Now I don't have to get a PS2 in da dash to plizzay GT4 in da rizzide during red lizzights YO!

[TB4000]

Never, ever have I chosen anything but a Nintendo product, except back in '99 when I bought the Dreamcast...but I may have to go with Sony this time out. I'd be on a road trip straight chillin' if I had that thing in my posession, plus about 15 different games to whittle away the time.

[robotic]

i would choose nintendo, but if it were my brother, he would go for playstation. we think differently on gaming terms ^_^"

i like nintendo because i like 2D gaming-styles and it has more of a unique basis since it started and brought forward different popular characters.

[Shogun Empress]

Originally Posted by thaite

Well, what's your choice gonna be?

Sony PSP

more at Gamespot

or the
Nintendo DS

more at Gamespot

Metal Gear Acid and the sequel to Final Fantasy 7 makes the Sony PSP worth buying.

[Azn Retribution]

Sony's battery life is going to be a joke.
They are using a miniCD cartridge similar to a mini-disc.
Think about it. The developers can't do simple PS1 ports like everyone lauds because most PS1 games use data accesses that have the CD continously spinning. Things would have to be really downsized because of this. They plan to have the CD spin. load it into memory... then spin it again later and load it into memory... can you say CRAPPY LOADING TIMES? as well as battery life... and look at that screen... another power hog.

Handheld is one area no one has touched nintendo in.
Other corps have had more powerful, better units. But in the end fall to the flaws of battery life and portability.

Even conservative pricing puts the PSP at over 250+
The DS will most likely come out around 149 or even 100.

The power of the PSP is inbetween PS2 and PS1
The power of the DS is in between n64 and GC

Selection of games at E3 for PSP vs DS?
No contest... PSP had NOTHING Thier show was extremely disappointing.

DS pretty much stole the show although they SO need to re-design the aesthetics of the casing..

List of opponents felled by the mighty gameboy(tm):
Gamegear
Nomad
TurboExpress
Lynx
NeoGeoPocket
List goes on... and on.... and on...

[Shogun Empress]

Originally Posted by Azn Retribution

Sony's battery life is going to be a joke.
They are using a miniCD cartridge similar to a mini-disc.
Think about it. The developers can't do simple PS1 ports like everyone lauds because most PS1 games use data accesses that have the CD continously spinning. Things would have to be really downsized because of this. They plan to have the CD spin. load it into memory... then spin it again later and load it into memory... can you say CRAPPY LOADING TIMES? as well as battery life... and look at that screen... another power hog.

Handheld is one area no one has touched nintendo in.
Other corps have had more powerful, better units. But in the end fall to the flaws of battery life and portability.

Even conservative pricing puts the PSP at over 250+
The DS will most likely come out around 149 or even 100.

The power of the PSP is inbetween PS2 and PS1
The power of the DS is in between n64 and GC

Selection of games at E3 for PSP vs DS?
No contest... PSP had NOTHING Thier show was extremely disappointing.

DS pretty much stole the show although they SO need to re-design the aesthetics of the casing..

List of opponents felled by the mighty gameboy(tm):
Gamegear
Nomad
TurboExpress
Lynx
NeoGeoPocket
List goes on... and on.... and on...

Metal Gear Acid and Final Fantasy 7-2 is worth the PSP's purchase alone. Those are 'killer-apps' that wipe any uncertainty from my mind on whether I will purchase the PSP or not. Are the specs for the PSP final? I have rechargeable batteries and I will buy the AC adapter when it is released.

[Azn Retribution]

the AC adaptor sort of defeats the whole purpose of it being portable doesnt it?
and FF7 and all its graphics and textures rely on continous reading from media.
Meaning its not as easy as you might think.

Recharable batteries from sony would be prohibitive by cost.

FF7-2 hasnt even been announced for PSP

Sony had nothing solid on the PSP
Hell all the software was running on EMULATION SOFTWARE
All of it had been developed on EMULATION
and that usually means the specs aren't finalized which means the release date for the PSP isnt anytime soon.
Nothing was running on actual hardware

Sony is full of crap when it comes to hype and vaporware half of their promised features usually disapiate and their actual performance usual falls short of expectations
Go see the PS2's hyped original specs compared to its actual performance for comparison.
Sony Overhypes their Specs ie how many polys it can push without any effects or textures or AA etc
Nintendo tends to be conservative and gives "real-world" specs. Specs you would get in a actual game with CPU overhead and all that.


Sony's portable is going to try to do too many things.

Nintendo has it pretty much won before its even began.

also take note that the DS is the transition product between GBA and the next generation Gameboy which will not be backwards compatible with gameboy/gameboy color/gba games like the DS will be.

[Shogun Empress]

Originally Posted by Azn Retribution

the AC adaptor sort of defeats the whole purpose of it being portable doesnt it?
and FF7 and all its graphics and textures rely on continous reading from media.
Meaning its not as easy as you might think.

Recharable batteries from sony would be prohibitive by cost.

FF7-2 hasnt even been announced for PSP

Sony had nothing solid on the PSP
Hell all the software was running on EMULATION SOFTWARE
All of it had been developed on EMULATION
and that usually means the specs aren't finalized which means the release date for the PSP isnt anytime soon.
Nothing was running on actual hardware

Sony is full of crap when it comes to hype and vaporware half of their promised features usually disapiate and their actual performance usual falls short of expectations
Go see the PS2's hyped original specs compared to its actual performance for comparison.
Sony Overhypes their Specs ie how many polys it can push without any effects or textures or AA etc
Nintendo tends to be conservative and gives "real-world" specs. Specs you would get in a actual game with CPU overhead and all that.


Sony's portable is going to try to do too many things.

Nintendo has it pretty much won before its even began.

also take note that the DS is the transition product between GBA and the next generation Gameboy which will not be backwards compatible with gameboy/gameboy color/gba games like the DS will be.

While I agree that 'Nintendo won the handheld gaming market before it began', I have to disagree about who brags the most when it comes to their upcoming consoles. When Ultra 64 came out, Nintendo said their graphics chip had the same engine that powered the special effects in movies like Jurassic Park and Toy Story. They've show-boated highly detailed CG images of games that were said to be running in 'real time'. The pictures that used to come out of promotions were full of shit. There are great games on the XBOX that still doesn't look as good as the vaporware that was supposed to come out for the Ultra 64. How often does Sony compare a new product to the Walkman? They must be on to something. If anyone can make it work, Sony can. Unless Nintendo comes out with a superior product, their days are numbered. I've seen pictures of Final Fantasy 7-2 several months ago. I can't imagine how far they've gotten in development by now and I'm anxiously awaiting it even though I don't really like RPGs. Mabye if you do a search for it or look in some magazines you will see it. Just because Square/Enix didn't officially announce it doesn't mean it won't come out. I've heard that Final Fantasy X-2 was coming out for the PS2 a year before they officially announced it. All titles are tentative until release. I don't believe everything they say because a sequel for the Bouncer was supposed to come out a long time ago and I've heard nothing of it since. I'm not even worried about the battery-life. I'm sure Kentaragi-san will make it work

The specs aren't even out yet anyways.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y&sid=96001017

[Shogun Empress]

PSP Specs

Sony said that the PSP would give gamers:

"…three-dimensional-CG games incorporating high-quality, full-motion video similar to PlayStation2 can be played anytime, anywhere with PSP"

Backing this claim up is a 4.3 inch, 16:9 widescreen TFT LCD screen that can display 16.77 million colours at 480x272 hi-res, built in stereo speakers and a control pad that builds on the Playstation controller gamers have grown used to and all this in a device weighing in at 260g including the battery.

Games will arrive on a small high-capacity optical disc called UMD (Universal Media Disc) which despite being only 60mm in diameter can hold a staggering 1.8GB of data. Sony are envisaging a whole range of uses for these disc’s with content such as music video clips, movies and sports programs being provided on UMD.

It doesn't end there though…

Also included are USB 2.0 outputs and 802.11b (Wi-Fi) wireless LAN. This will give PSP owners a number of connectivity options and the ability to link PSP's together to form a wireless network. With USB connectivity, Sony has the option to be able to link many of its products together, currently announced are a USB Camera, USB GPS and a USB Keyboard though I would be surprised if a linkup to the forthcoming PS3 similar to Nintendo's GameCube/GBA linkup is not announced.

E3 Sony's PSP demo’s looked jaw dropping, with a version of Grand Turismo Mobile looking particularly superb. Other showings were Metal Gear Acid, Wipeout Pure and a Ridge Racer game also in the pipeline. With Sony providing launch titles of well known franchises this will give PSP's gamers the chance to play all their favourites portable. Sony also have the backing of many major software developers to bolster the titles available.

Nintendo have an ace up their sleeve though - backwards compatibility. Nintendo already has a large user base with its GBA and Gameboy handhelds and with the promise of being able to play the titles already available on the new system, It gives them the distinct advantage. The launch titles will no doubt be Mario based, with versions of Mario 64 and Mario Kart talked about at E3 and a DS version of Metroid Prime is also in the works.

The PSP has games like Metal Gear Acid, Wipeout Pure, Grand Turismo Mobile, Metal Gear Acid, Final Fantasy 7-2, and Ridge Racer. Nintendo is probaly just going to release gay ass titles like Pokemon and Mario RPG. I already have a Game Boy Advance SP. I don't play Pokemon or sports games so I don't see any reason to buy another Game Boy just because it has two screens. What a waste of money

[Ron]

But the PSP will cost upwards of $350-450 to buy it and equip yourself with a couple games or more.

The DS will probably be $150-200 and the games $30, as usual. Both have Wifi and their own versions of Bluetooth (or something similar).

A huge number of people play sports games. Expect both systems to heavily market their sports games. Especially ONLINE!!!!!

[Shogun Empress]

Originally Posted by Ron1

But the PSP will cost upwards of $350-450 to buy it and equip yourself with a couple games or more.

The DS will probably be $150-200 and the games $30, as usual. Both have Wifi and their own versions of Bluetooth (or something similar).

A huge number of people play sports games. Expect both systems to heavily market their sports games. Especially ONLINE!!!!!

$200

[Azn Retribution]

Once again. None of those "Demo's" were on the PSP hardware.
all of nintendo's were.

Read that again THEY WERE RAN ON PC'S RUNNING EMULATION SOFTWARE BASED ON SPECS THAT ARE NOT YET FINALIZED.

How is THAT Impressive.


If you check the developers who make the games.
All of them tend to have better things to say about the DS vs the PSP.
In fact there are many complaints of not yet having the final Dev-Kit.
What does that tell you about the release date of the PSP?

FF7-2 Is scheduled for PS2. Not PSP so Im not quite sure why its in this thread.

As for the battery life... you should be worried about it.
Sony's PDA's aren't even that great for battery life.
and this thing is supposed to be

1. Small
2. Spin a Mini-Disc-like Cartridge.
3. Operate a Huge backlit screen
4. Operate a fast processor.

They are expecting easy PS2 and PS ports with great battery life.... right.
Here are your preliminary numbers from various sony sources.

1 - 2 Hours of Video Playback (Continously spinning)
4 - 6 Hours of Audio Playback
Maybe 1 - 6 Hours of Game playback depending IF the developers optimize their crap.
and trust me they are gonna have to do alot of tedious optimizing to make the battery last long.
They can't just be lazy and continously read the textures off the cartridge(that would kill battery life)
because the cd would be spinning the whole time.

Nope you won't see anything close to the crazy detailed textures they tout so much simply because of that. Same with the FMV. They would have to read the data. move it into memory. stop spinning then when they need more. start it spinning again. move it into memory. etc. They'd have to do this piecemeal.

Now think about how tedious it would be to do that for every port of a PS or PS2 game.
You'd basically be re-writing most of it.

Gameboys typically have at least an 8 - 12 hour battery life easily.
The DS you may say will have short life becaues of two screens but those two screens are extremely low-power screens. and the DS doesnt have the high overhead of processors to produce detail you don't need on a portable screen.

as for that argument. I will rescind that point. Nintendo did hype the N64 a little too much. It had a hell lot of flaws. It was a ego trip for nintendo that they have since recovered from. As all the DS, GBA and GC specs that they quote now are VERY realistic compared to Sony's ridiculous 16000000 poly number.

The only thing I think is the DS needs to be redesigned aesthetically. cuz damn is it ugly.