stronger attraction to aggresive men

[sandra]

Women Just Love Violent Men
Mike Tyson would click his fingers at one of the gorgeous young women in the queue, and she would be the one honoured with his bed for the night. The others were the losers.

When Ruby Wax interviewed OJ Simpson, many months after his trial for murder, she was astonished that this man had so many young women at his feet. They would phone him up. They would come up to him in the street. They would date him and bed him.

The most appalling killers in the USA, the serial killers, the ones who cut, carve, rape and kill, EACH receive some 500 letters every year from women 'expressing an interest' in developing some kind of intimate relationship with them according to the FBI.

What is it about these men that SOME women find so attractive?

There was a recent programme on TV (and I can't remember the name or the Channel) that looked at the criminal world of London's East End as it was in the 50's and 60's. The film footage and the photographs were mostly black and white and the programme focused on the arch villains, their cronies and their women.

And their women were gorgeous, without exception.

What is it about these men that allows them to attract such gorgeous women?

The answer is simple.

CHOICE

Such men can choose out of the large population of women that seeks their attention. They do not have to choose the less attractive women. They can have the pick of the bunch.

Why is it that the arrogant, loud-mouthed, extraverted, muscular, boundary-breaking men in the nightclubs get so much female attention? Why do those rock music stars who perform aggressively and rudely find queues of wide-eyed female groupies waiting for them outside the theatres? Why does the delinquent youth have so many admirers - of both genders?

We've all seen these things.

NO WONDER SO MANY MEN ARE VIOLENT!

They are applauded for it, loved for it, sought after because of it, adored for it.

BY WOMEN!

Not by all women, of course. Not by most women. But by a significant number of women. And that is enough.

Imagine that you are a Mike Tyson type. You do what you do, and aggression and violence are a large part of what you do. And what happens? Women flock to you. Men bow down to you. Your every move is encouraged, applauded and endorsed. That is your world. That is your environment. That is your audience. You don't watch Saints on Sunday. You don't listen to Praise Be To The Lord Of Peace. That is not your world. Such things do not impinge on you at all. Therefore ...

THEY DO NOT EXIST.

What everything around you teaches you, is that being macho and being aggressive is applauded by many. And it brings to you very many goodies.

Your behaviour is encouraged, endorsed and rewarded.

And, just as for Margaret Thatcher, people keep voting for you. And so, of course, you continue doing what you do!

And while SCORES of women throw themselves into your bed and tell you that you are everything that they have ever desired, you will continue to be as you are.

Particularly, one imagines, if you're also not very bright, and/or, you simply don't have much else to offer.

Further, men, statistically speaking, will drift toward being whatever it is that women find attractive. And they will do so from an early age. Their hormones and sexual urges will drive them that way. And as they see the women flocking to the 'imposing' men, the leaders, the aggressors, the macho and the law breakers, so they will try to emulate them. Men will seek to become more like them. They too want the prize of women seeking them out.

So, of course it is true that women promote violence. They seek out men who promulgate it.

Not all women, but enough of them to count.

And until women and feminists recognise the female's own contribution to the male's propensity to aggress, we do not have much hope of reducing aggression!

Perhaps, therefore, instead of simply blaming men for their propensity toward violence, one might take notice of the fact that significant numbers of women encourage it, and get turned on by it.

If all women were to find gentle men attractive then that's what nearly all men would become.

If women mostly shunned violent men instead of seeking them out, the world would be a better place.

But, of course, this is yet another area where women shirk out of any responsibility for the world in which they live. And the very thought that women might have anything to do with affecting the level of men's violence cannot even be openly discussed.

Feminist hysteria, disinformation and intimidation all ensure that women in this society are held responsible for very few of the many negative things that they, themselves, cause to happen.

"There are a lot of times — and I have seen this with my own eyes in London — where women have tried to force themselves on him, checking into his hotel trying to compromise him," Frank Warren said today while announcing that Mike Tyson will fight Lou Savarese on June 24 at the 52,000-seat Hampden Park soccer stadium in Glasgow, Scotland. NBD 19/05/00

[mr. x]

two words, Scott Peterson

guy got letters too, course one was from a woman who killed her husband so i guess they'd be right for each other

anyway i can understand why some women would but i duno why gorgeous ones go for em. guess that says more about them though than their looks. and these guys get PR (even if its terrible). whereas nice average joes dont. the way of the world

[VV o n g B a]

maybe they think if they can tame the badboy that'd be the ultimate conquest? but the author doesn't mention anything about why women might choose to go for these guys and instead just blames them for doing it. wrong approach if he wants to convince women to start changing who they're attracted to instead of just writing him off as a reactionary.

[sandra]

Originally Posted by VV o n g B a

maybe they think if they can tame the badboy that'd be the ultimate conquest? but the author doesn't mention anything about why women might choose to go for these guys and instead just blames them for doing it. wrong approach if he wants to convince women to start changing who they're attracted to instead of just writing him off as a reactionary.

i just thought the female members could discuss the validity of the article's points. whether it is truly the case that we are more attracted to aggressive men.

[rice cracker]

Oh, I can see being attracted to more assertive men, but violent men? No, no thank you at all. I think as far as Mike Tyson and OJ go, it may be more of a celebrity attraction? I think this article is aggrandizing the problem. I mean, of course macho guys get attention, but isn't it a small amount of women that are writing letters to serial killers? Well, I guess none of my friends would tell me if they were, but I've never heard of anyone near my social sphere doing such a thing.

[VV o n g B a]

Originally Posted by kasia

i just thought the female members could discuss the validity of the article's points. whether it is truly the case that we are more attracted to aggressive men.

oopsy. *butts OUT of the women's section for awhile*

[applehead]

why does aggressiveness equate to violence??
i like aggressive men, yes.
but violent?
comparing rock stars and serial killer?

And until women and feminists recognise the female's own contribution to the male's propensity to aggress, we do not have much hope of reducing aggression!

Perhaps, therefore, instead of simply blaming men for their propensity toward violence, one might take notice of the fact that significant numbers of women encourage it, and get turned on by it.

If all women were to find gentle men attractive then that's what nearly all men would become.

If women mostly shunned violent men instead of seeking them out, the world would be a better place.

But, of course, this is yet another area where women shirk out of any responsibility for the world in which they live. And the very thought that women might have anything to do with affecting the level of men's violence cannot even be openly discussed.

Feminist hysteria, disinformation and intimidation all ensure that women in this society are held responsible for very few of the many negative things that they, themselves, cause to happen.

so it's our fault that men committ crimes
and resort to violence?
who wrote this crock of shit?

[John0101]

This article assumes that there is only one type of females and that they are all generic. I do not think this is true. Instead, that article reforces female/male stereotypes and gender roles.

This article (where's the source?) can be disproven by a closer look at personal interrelational relationships, because not all females are attracted to violent or the "manly" man.

[Hiroshi2]

Originally Posted by kasia

Imagine that you are a Mike Tyson type. You do what you do, and aggression and violence are a large part of what you do. And what happens? Women flock to you. Men bow down to you. Your every move is encouraged, applauded and endorsed. That is your world. That is your environment. That is your audience. You don't watch Saints on Sunday. You don't listen to Praise Be To The Lord Of Peace. That is not your world. Such things do not impinge on you at all. Therefore ...

That's the type of dude I want to fight. I can't stand arrogance and I love to show up the guys who think they're tough shit.

[tapestrybabe]

didnt we have a thread about effeminate men??
a question being posed if females are attracted to such guys...
from what i recall... most of the females responded that they were NOT attracted to such guys... that they preferred more of the tough masculine type...

anyways, when i think of all the guys i've been attracted too...
i'm one of the few whose actually attracted to effeminate men...
altho someone whose more attracted to the tough, more masculine, macho types... that doesnt equivalate someone whose attracted to someone whose violent...

and i suppose someone who does happen to end up in such an abusive relationship...
its not fair to blame such women for mens behavior...
its not fair to put more focus on the action of the victim
than on the one whose doing the abusing...

[moJo]

Originally Posted by rice cracker

Oh, I can see being attracted to more assertive men, but violent men? No, no thank you at all. I think as far as Mike Tyson and OJ go, it may be more of a celebrity attraction? I think this article is aggrandizing the problem. I mean, of course macho guys get attention, but isn't it a small amount of women that are writing letters to serial killers? Well, I guess none of my friends would tell me if they were, but I've never heard of anyone near my social sphere doing such a thing.

Ditto here. Assertive, and even aggressive, is different than violent. I would never want to fear my S.O. And no thanks on the macho men, either. He can go flex (literally and figuratively) for some other chick.

[teaz0r]

i don't like violent men -at- all.

at any first signs of violence i just bail the fuck out.
doesn't have to be towards me either. like if i'm with
a guy and he can't solve problems without using his
fists then i'm automatically turned off.

i do like aggressive men, but well within boundaries.
agressive to get ahead. determined. knows what he
wants. is nice. i like them agressive in bed too.

i like bad boys. but not in the sense that he's a murderer
and was out on a killing spree, but more like... i dunno
bad nice boys?

but i sorta see how this article came about? i mean didn't
ted bundy and charles manson and that other killer guy...
that they made a movie about, starring mira sorvino..
son of summer? summer of sam? something ... like didn't
does serial killers have major girls after them? like i dunno
why there are girls after them? media sorta glamourizes it
too, movies like natural born killers with woody harrelson in
it, and Kalifornia, with brad pitt. i mean these actors are all
hunky n' stuff... and so girls wet their panties over them?

i dunno. sumthing like that.

[sandra]

way back when, i used to like violent guys. not violent towards me, but towards other people. i kinda liked the fact that they were tough. i think i was 13 or so back then. anyhow.

there sometimes is a part of me that is drawn to problem guys. i have a social worker personality, so sometimes...it's like taking on a project. but that gets tiring after a while, b/c you want someone who can also take care of you.

i don't know who wrote the article - i just pulled it off the web. it seems a little extreme. but a lot of you have admitted that you're attracted to aggressive men - but not violent men. where is the line drawn?

example. one of my exes used to get really pissed off when we would be going somewhere and he'd get lost. he'd cuss really loudly, get really frustrated, and punch the seat. however, he never directed any of it towards me. is that aggressive or violent behavior? (regardless of how it's categorized, i hated it and secretly started seeing him as a wuss.)

[moJo]

Originally Posted by kasia

i don't know who wrote the article - i just pulled it off the web. it seems a little extreme. but a lot of you have admitted that you're attracted to aggressive men - but not violent men. where is the line drawn?

hmm...verbal assertion, physical assertion --> an indication that he has a backbone, that he won't be a doormat. this i like.

Originally Posted by kasia

example. one of my exes used to get really pissed off when we would be going somewhere and he'd get lost. he'd cuss really loudly, get really frustrated, and punch the seat. however, he never directed any of it towards me. is that aggressive or violent behavior? (regardless of how it's categorized, i hated it and secretly started seeing him as a wuss.)

imo, that's violent behavior. and that's a temper problem, too, which is another issue.

[sandra]

Originally Posted by moJo

hmm...verbal assertion, physical assertion --> an indication that he has a backbone, that he won't be a doormat. this i like.

i think that's pretty much it. isn't it strange how this is so much more important to us than it is to guys? i think having a backbone is maybe one of the top 5 must-haves for a guy to be bf material, right? somehow i don't think it's the same for guys when they're seeking gfs. why is that?