Should Partial Birth Abortions Be Banned?

[achtungbaby]

Bush to Sign Partial Birth Abortion Bill

By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) said he would sign newly passed legislation to end the "abhorrent practice" known by critics as partial birth abortion, giving abortion foes a victory that had eluded them for close to a decade.

Abortion rights advocates said they would immediately go to court to stop what they said was a dangerous incursion against the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

The Senate voted 64-34 Tuesday to ban a type of abortion, generally carried out in the second or third trimester, in which a fetus is partially delivered before being killed. The House approved the legislation this month, and Bush has urged Congress to get it to his desk.

"This is very important legislation that will end an abhorrent practice and continue to build a culture of life in America," he said in a statement. "I look forward to signing it into law."

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That signature would end a legislative crusade that began when Republicans captured the House in 1995. President Clinton (news - web sites) twice vetoed similar bills, arguing that they lacked an exception to protect the health of the mother, and in the first year of the Bush administration a Democratic-controlled Senate stopped its advancement.

In the final Senate vote, 17 Democrats joined 47 Republicans to support the ban. Three Republicans voted against the legislation.

[Hiroshi2]

This is so stupid. Late-term abortion is mostly used by women whose lives are endangered by the birth of their child due to complications in the pregnancy. So most women who get this type of abortion do it because if they give birth, there is a sizable risk that they may die while doing so. However, this bill would outlaw such abortion, under all circumstances. So if you are a woman caught in this situation, you have a choice between breaking the law (and any doctor who goes ahead with the abortion would be subject to prosecution and jail time if this bill were to be passed) or running the risk of losing your life. And I know why they (re: Republicans and/or conservatives) are doing this, all in the name of "pro-life" and "morality" but they're so stupid that they don't realize that this is not about morality, but about life-or-death situations.


Bush is expected to sign this bill. First he f*cks up with the war in Iraq, then the economy goes down the drain (though to be fair it is picking back up again) and now this act of stupidity which seems to be going relatively unnoticed in the media.

[kimpossible]

The bill "for the first time in history bans a medical procedure without making any exception for the health of the woman," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif. "This is a radical, radical thing that is about to happen here."

Ah, I see. Until I read this I thought there was some sort of clause in situations where the mother's health or life was at risk.

[ism]

Originally Posted by Hello_Hapa

Ah, I see. Until I read this I thought there was some sort of clause in situations where the mother's health or life was at risk.

Nope, when they were discussing the bill, some people said there would be an exception in that case. Not sure what the deal was, if that was a way to garner support from a segment of resisters, but the way the final bill ended up has no mention of an exception whatsoever. You can read the bill here: thomas.loc.gov

[yoMAMA]

I just dont' get why what's the big deal about this whole abortion debate:

so if a women doesn't want to have a baby, then so be it....and if she wants to raise 20 childrens, what's wrong with that, either?

It's all about choice, and this is America!

[Tao]

Originally Posted by achtungbaby

"This is very important legislation that will end an abhorrent practice and continue to build a culture of life in America,"

hahahahha, please. when did this country's policy turn to "building a culture of life?" be consistent people. if you're gonna bomb the shit outta innocent iraqi children and women, and send thousands of your troops over there to die all for political gain....why bother over fetuses?

[>:^|]

Originally Posted by yoMAMA

I just dont' get why what's the big deal about this whole abortion debate:

Because some would have women "suffer the consequences" of their evil sexual desires. As if they procreate single-handedly.

And why is this in the women's forum?

Is partial-birth the only method used for late term abortions? Is there a specific medical reason why it is advantageous?

I lost all my judgmental-ness about abortion after I continue to discover how many friends I know have had abortions ...

[coagulated fat]

Phrase of the week: "culture of life"

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by Tao

hahahahha, please. when did this country's policy turn to "building a culture of life?" be consistent people. if you're gonna bomb the shit outta innocent iraqi children and women, and send thousands of your troops over there to die all for political gain....why bother over fetuses?

Because "christian" values promote saving children. Specifically "American" children. It's not in our country's best interest to look after anyone except our "own". And there are so many conservative pro-life radicals that support this ban that it's idiotic. I bet when it happens to them, they'll sing a different tune.

[mf99]

Originally Posted by yoMAMA

I just dont' get why what's the big deal about this whole abortion debate:

so if a women doesn't want to have a baby, then so be it....and if she wants to raise 20 childrens, what's wrong with that, either?

It's all about choice, and this is America!

I think pro-life people are trying to protect the choice of the baby in the mother's womb, who has no choice over the abortion.

[mf99]

Originally Posted by Tao

hahahahha, please. ....why bother over fetuses?

I find it funny that when a baby is in the womb, people call it a fetus and have no regard for its life. But, once it comes out of the womb, people are cuddling it like the most precious thing on this earth.

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by mf99

I think pro-life people are trying to protect the choice of the baby in the mother's womb, who has no choice over the abortion.

What happens when the situation calls for a potential death for a mother if she keeps the baby. I believe that some specifications should be made for these types of situations, instead of banning ALL partial birth abortions.

[angel nympho]

My opinions on partial birth abortions aside, what I really find unsettling is the fact that legislators are trying to nose in on the relationship between a doctor and his/her patient. That's just fucked up.

[nonamerasian]

Doesn't the child have to be partically born for this procedure?

What if the whole baby pops out, would he/she still be put to death?

[shy]

what i find interesting is when bush is not only trying to be president of the world, but decides upon what is best for a woman, even though he doesn't own a uterus himself.

bush is a twinkie.