Can an Asian be an Asia-phile?

[ModernLogic]

Are Asiaphiles restricted only to white guys? Can an Asian male also be an labeled as an "Asiaphile" if he is also attracted to Asian ladies exclusively?

I'm basically trying to expose the hypocrisy of anti-Asiaphiles (typically Asian feminists who have too much time on their hands such as those from www.bigbadchinesemama.com). Why is it justified when an Asian male likes Asians exclusively but when a White male shares the same sexual preference, he's labeled as an "Asiaphile."

I certainly don't see blondes voicing complaints against Blondephiles and we certainly know Blondephiles exist. In fact, most white Americans are blondephiles. Which leads me a side-track question: What's so special about blondes anyways? Everytime you hear some white guy describing a beautiful woman on a TV show/movie, it always starts with: "So this blonde walks in..."

Anyways, I guess I'll try to offer a response to my initial question. My theory as to why Asians only target whites as "Asiaphiles" is rooted in the notion that people of the same race are expected to date/marry/breed with their own kind. Asian guy likes Asian girl is natural. White guy who likes Asian girl is a horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dog. Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm not defending white guys at all. In fact, I also cringe everytime I see a hot Asian babe with a white guy. But still, I think labeling only whites as "Asiaphiles" is simply unfair. And I'm all about being fair.

[YuheiCarreau]

So... This is some weird way of promoting interracial relationships? Or are you just attacking 'Asian feminists who have too much time on their hands'?

[Cipherous]

Originally Posted by YuheiCarreau

So... This is some weird way of promoting interracial relationships? Or are you just attacking 'Asian feminists who have too much time on their hands'?

I think what he is trying to say that there is hypocrisy of Asian males using the term "AsiaPhiles" to define non-Asians dating Asian females but Asian males who exclusively date Asian females are not Asia-phile.

in a nutshell, hes asking "How come only non-Asians who date Asians are labeled Asia-philes whereas Asians who date other Asians aren't Asia-philes".

To answer XiaoRongJi1202's question, I think non-Asians are labeled Asia-philes because many beleive that they only date Asian women because they view them as objects not really human. For example, an Asian male might say a white male is an Asia-phile because that white male is dating an Asian women because they White males doesn't view her as a person, he views her more as an object (a car, watch, some material thing). However, this is very superficial...it is very inadequate to label a person an Asia-phile just because a white, black or whatever is dating an Asian female.

The fact is that alot of males still view females as objects, that men own them...that they're not equal of men. Nowadays, Asian males try to retain that power over Asian females by saying that they're "selling out" by not dating them. However, you rarely see an Asian male being called a sell out when he is dating a non-Asian female. You can clearly see that there is a double standard.

[Cipherous]

Also, some people may argue that the Asian male is given an unfair advantage because we're seldom represented in the mainstream media (the vast majority of the heart throbs and hunks are White males). I don't think you can blame the White-Asia couple per se, but you can blame the media (or whatever system) for it.

[Green_Circle]

Come to think of it, most Asian guys only prefer Asian females. However after reading this thread they might begin dating non Asian females so as to avoid the 'phile' label. But then they would now qualify to be placed in the 'sellout' category. Best to go dateless for a while 'til we figure this out.

[kitty]

I feel like Cipherous is right when he's talking about how all males who date women because they're asian are not really seeing them as human. I don't think it's more "natural" for an Asian man to date an Asian woman, and if they only reason you're going after her is because she's Asian, how're you any different from a white Asiaphile?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I think I started a thread that was very very similar to this one (What constitutes an asiaphile? or something like that) when I first joined this board way back when...my answer is yes, Asian people can definitely be Asiaphiles. However, I feel that the implications and effects for the asiaphilic attitudes of Asians versus non-Asians is different.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally Posted by kittygirl

I feel like Cipherous is right when he's talking about how all males who date women because they're asian are not really seeing them as human. I don't think it's more "natural" for an Asian man to date an Asian woman, and if they only reason you're going after her is because she's Asian, how're you any different from a white Asiaphile?

Well supposedly according to some people like Alibaba, people have an unconscious, uncontrollable, disposition to feeling more of an alliance, attachment, etc. with those who are more genetically close to us. Although I disagree, I don't have any solid evidence to counter his argument. Regardless, I can always bring my own experiences into discussion. I have always felt the most comfortable (and most attracted to) members of groups that I have been surrounded by the most, regardless of genetic proximity.

[ChairmanMah]

can a child be a pedophile?

yes, but not likely.

[kimpossible]

Can an Asian be an Asia-phile?

Yup. Particularly born-agains.

[kimpossible]

Originally Posted by XiaoRongJi1202

Anyways, I guess I'll try to offer a response to my initial question. My theory as to why Asians only target whites as "Asiaphiles" is rooted in the notion that people of the same race are expected to date/marry/breed with their own kind.

Good theory. However I never developed this expectation. I don't even think I could if I wanted to. I am devoid of the concept of sticking with your own kind. Not because I'm colorblind or enlightened or anything... just a result of being mixed.

I still hold the opinion that there are creepy white horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dogs that chase after Asian women for horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dog reasons that most Asian guys don't have. I look to historical precedence and social/economic/cultural/media factors that influence each. I'm sure there are creepy black, hispanic, whatever horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dogs as well as white. There are also females that are asiaphiles.

I personally prefer the ones that don't try to hide their racial and cultural preferences behind a smoke screen of 'having an interest Asian culture' or whatever. If it's about a piece of ass, just own up to it.

Originally Posted by XiaoRongJi1202

Anyways, I guess I'll try to offer a response to my initial question. My theory as to why Asians only target whites as "Asiaphiles" is rooted in the notion that people of the same race are expected to date/marry/breed with their own kind. Asian guy likes Asian girl is natural.

As a married adult I can tell you that it's nice to have a mate that shares a similar cultural background and value set that I have. It's natural to seek someone compatible for yourself. If you can consider it culturally similar in a pan-Asian type of way (for us it's close enough outside of the intra-Asian stupid little fights or Japanese vs. Chinese diffs or Chinese vs. American diffs), then yeah I suppose that could be considered natural. Just like I don't fault two white ppl getting together. Or that it appears the majority of white skinned people marry 'their own kind' in the US. I don't think it's abnormal.

But anyone who seeks a certain race of person to make them more Asian because they have weird perceptions about mystic Asia or timid little Asian girls or boys, the idea of belonging to an older culture because they feel culturally lost, etc. that type of shit, I think just about anyone can be an Asiaphile. I didn't make them - not my fault. Not my responsibility that there exist Asiaphiles and the majority I've seen are white males. Does it mean every white male is an Asiaphile? Nope. That's why I usually identify with terms like Asiaphile or Rice King. I don't say Anyguy Dating an Asian Woman.

Originally Posted by XiaoRongJi1202

I also cringe everytime I see a hot Asian babe with a white guy. But still, I think labeling only whites as "Asiaphiles" is simply unfair. And I'm all about being fair.

I don't cringe. I don't care. An IR couple isn't my problem or my concern or a personal cause for celebration because I'm mixed or my marriage is IR. Much like I don't care who breeds with who. Has nothing to do with my intolerance for creepy horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dogs of any race. In particular I hate white Asiaphiles, but over all I'm a pretty equal opportunity hater.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally Posted by Hello_Hapa

Yup. Particularly born-agains.

*gulp*

[stunninglyAsian]

There are also females that are asiaphiles.

Yeah, and bigfoot exists... sorry, I'm from the midwest. Never seen one in my entire life, just heard stories.

Don't flame me on this, but I think I read somewhere (maybe a psychology book) that the whole "opposites attract" view on dating was scientifically proven to be wrong- humans prefer to be with people that share the same interests.

Even if that is totally wrong, I don't think an Asian can be an Asianphile. I see Asianphiles as people who see Asian women as an exotic oriental lay that will please them to their dick's content. You'll never hear an Asian guy say, "Damn, I love Chinese girls... they look so exotic. I dunno, I just have a thing for those slanty eyed Chinatown girls. Lemme kung pow her all night long!" You'll hear Asian guys say Chinese girls are cute, they're less bitchy, or whatever. And I don't view that as Asianphile. If a non-Asian said that, then I have no problem with it.

Asian guys like to date Asian girls because of similarities in culture. It's like hanging out with a person who has the same interests or background. An example, you don't have to worry about an Asian bf/gf making fun of your parents, food, customs, etc. Because they come from the same background, they understand that your parents' english sucks, they can accept the funky smell of Asian food, they know all that shit. It's comforting to know that your significant other has been through the same experiences instead of he/she looking at you like you just farted and you having to explain it.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally Posted by stunninglyAsian

Yeah, and bigfoot exists... sorry, I'm from the midwest. Never seen one in my entire life, just heard stories.

Don't flame me on this, but I think I read somewhere (maybe a psychology book) that the whole "opposites attract" view on dating was scientifically proven to be wrong- humans prefer to be with people that share the same interests.

Even if that is totally wrong, I don't think an Asian can be an Asianphile. I see Asianphiles as people who see Asian women as an exotic oriental lay that will please them to their dick's content. You'll never hear an Asian guy say, "Damn, I love Chinese girls... they look so exotic. I dunno, I just have a thing for those slanty eyed Chinatown girls. Lemme kung pow her all night long!" You'll hear Asian guys say Chinese girls are cute, they're less bitchy, or whatever. And I don't view that as Asianphile. If a non-Asian said that, then I have no problem with it.

Asian guys like to date Asian girls because of similarities in culture. It's like hanging out with a person who has the same interests or background. An example, you don't have to worry about an Asian bf/gf making fun of your parents, food, customs, etc. Because they come from the same background, they understand that your parents' english sucks, they can accept the funky smell of Asian food, they know all that shit. It's comforting to know that your significant other has been through the same experiences instead of he/she looking at you like you just farted and you having to explain it.

I've met a few female asiaphiles. They resemble their male counterparts except perhaps they aren't as much after sex as they are for, I dunno...what do women want again? Money? TLC? Anyways, they don't seem to be as horny or sex-crazy. And the biggest female asiaphile I met was fucking hot model material. Not that it made her 'phileness any better...*waits for lobbed grenades*

Of course you'll never hear an Asian guy say stuff like that about Asian women. At least not outwardly. They will look incredibly stupid and out of place, not to mention that their cover as an Asian guy with a fetish for Asian women would be blown to kingdom come. But even though they may or may not (some do) buy into the stereotypes created for Asian women in various western societies around the globe, that doesn't mean that they can't develop an unhealthy preference to the extent that they would exclude all other prospective relationship partners simply because they aren't Asian. Fact is that anybody has the ability to fetishize something that they were not born into, and there are plenty of people of Asian descent who were not born into specific Asian cultures, styles of upbringing, and society.

When I was going through my azn pryde phase in life about 4 or 5 years ago and sought to hang out with more Chinese and Japanese girls because I saw them as initially attractive in a novelty-ish and unfamiliar type of way after seeking for more outside my wonderbread group of friends, yet only my white friend got criticized for being some slimy greaseball looking to get ass from Asian women whereas people thought that I was just merely trying to get in touch with my roots when in all honesty at the time I was trying to touch um... something else. I had Japanese and Korean people telling me that white people were so different in terms of culture and food and way of life and that they would never understand Asian culture, when my parents don't exactly make sushi or bulgogi from time to time.

Which once again brings the argument about how pan-Asian culture does or does not exist into the spotlight. Ultimately, however, the answer is left up in the air and subject to endless argument in countless threads on various Asian-related online forums. Yet the reality is that there are people everywhere (even in Asia) who believe that it does in fact exist, just how there are people everywhere who think the concept is rubbish. What better justification or confirmation is there for an existence of such a community than the presence of opinions expressing their beliefs that there is a sense of common ground and a set of values or commonalities in terms of way of life etc. which all Asian people can identify with? Me personally, I don't think a single pan-Asian community exists, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that whether or not a community is present (i.e. the gay community) is simply based upon the individual. Are gays who perceive there to be no gay community (or feel no ties to other gay people) still part of the gay community? Does the existence of gay people who believe there is no gay community support the fact that there is no gay community? Or does the existence of gay people who believe there is a gay community support the fact that a gay community definitely exists? Gays who believe in a community will do their best to partake in activities such as setting up support groups, connections with other gays, constructing organizations for common interests and issues of concern (perceived or real), etc., whereas gays who do not believe in the community will not, or perhaps shun such activities or avoid association.

Anyways, sorry for the tangent, and I'm not a slimeball...not an asiaphilic one anyway.... Regardless of what my avatar insinuates, I'm completely innocent and pure and free of indecency.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally Posted by Mr Z

Maybe because most non-AF's don't like Asian guys.

It's not like there's anything wrong with your preferences, especially in relation to long term marriages, but who said that when it came to sex you had to stick with only one race? I mean it's gonna be really ridiculous if attractive non-AF's are willing and desperate in some cases to sleep with some Asian guys and these dudes only wants to bang an Asian girl. You would'nt see Black men *only* prefering *BF's* :D . Alot of pussy (white) is on offer for them and they're sure as not shy of using their manhood to good use, are they? :p :idea:

Who are you, like the Malcolm X of the new millennium? Please... ;) I believe the Gen Y toonami-watching Black Panther forum is thataway.