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AliBabaIncorporated
09-20-2003, 10:00 PM
Well damn, finally. Is it really that hard to guess the intentions of an 8-months pregnant woman who claims she just wanted to see the sights in the US? The 14th amendment was supposed to give citizenship to former slaves, not to illegal immigrants or random visitors. Queue-jumpers, back of the line please.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200309/20/200309200222462009900090409041.html
Korean mothers who gave birth in U.S. held

LOS ANGELES ― In an apparent crackdown, U.S. authorities have arrested 10 Korean mothers who traveled to the United States to give birth so that their babies would be eligible for American citizenship.

The women were held on visa violations, charged with having come to the country for reasons other than stated on their entry permits. U.S. immigration authorities also detained a Korean broker operating here and charged the person, who was not immediately identified, with arranging the trips for the mothers-to-be.

The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, an agency under the Department of Homeland Security, and other bureaus including the Internal Revenue Service are focusing on businesses in the Korean section of Los Angeles set up to serve pregnant travelers, U.S. officials said. Korean women, who give birth while on a tourist visa, can exempt their sons from the draft in Korea and gain access to U.S. public education.

The practice by Koreans has been ongoing for years, but now the U.S. government is making an effort to stem it.

According to the U.S. officials, the immigration authorities detained the 10 Korean women on Sept. 10 for questioning. The women reportedly all visited the same State Department field office on the Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles to apply for U.S. passports for their newborns. They had given birth at a local clinic run by Koreans, officials said.

Immigration officials said they arrested and detained the women because they have entered the country with tourist visas, but had different purposes of their travels. The officials’ suspicions were raised because the women all used the same address in applying for the passports for their babies.

“We focused our questions on the real purposes of their visits,” an investigator, who asked for anonymity, said yesterday. “The mothers frankly admitted that they were here to give birth.”

The mothers were released after being questioned, and the U.S. immigration authorities sent letters to the mothers ordering them to leave the country within six months.

Some of the mothers reportedly returned to Korea Monday after obtaining passports for their babies with attorneys’ help. Others also said they would leave the country as soon as their babies’ documents are ready.

“We have no issues against tourists with legitimate documents,” a spokesman of the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration said yesterday. “But, if we see continuing issues [associated with the trips by pregnant women to give birth], we may conduct a joint investigation with other government agencies.”
An official of the U.S. Embassy in Seoul warned that the U.S. immigration office could blacklist the women and reject their future entry to the country.

As thousands of pregnant Korean women sought to go to the United States to give birth, an industry specializing in helping them was spawned in Los Angeles. No official statistics are available, but industry insiders estimated that about 5,000 births by Korean visitors occurred last year, and another 8,000 as of August this year. A two-month trip costs roughly $20,000.

Ogumo
09-20-2003, 10:09 PM
That is a damn good scam. Watch the americans will think they solved the problem by raising the price on a two month trip but a three or four month trip will be much cheaper I bet.

MellowDrama
09-21-2003, 12:39 AM
Just to be fair, I've known people from the Philippines, Taiwan, and Latin America who have done this too. I don't think it is just a Korean thing. But yes, it is quite duplicitous all around.

nonamerasian
09-22-2003, 08:15 AM
Just to be fair, I've known people from the Philippines, Taiwan, and Latin America who have done this too. I don't think it is just a Korean thing.

I was going to say that.

I don't know anyone personally, but I've known about the practice for years.

yangbahn50
09-22-2003, 11:01 PM
As thousands of pregnant Korean women sought to go to the United States to give birth, an industry specializing in helping them was spawned in Los Angeles.

Sshht. It's not like the Mexican illegal immigrants aren't giving birth in LA. The US government can sometimes be hypocritical bullsh-t.

They're trying to curb Korean female tourists giving birth in LA, yet there are millions of illegal Mexican immigrants giving birth to babies, and getting PLENTY of tax-payers' benefits ranging from medical to food stamps! This really peeves me.

yangbahn50
09-25-2003, 10:28 PM
So still, the US government has turned a blind eye on illegal Mexicans 'invading' this country under the rugs.

Many of them are coming to LA (the capital of their imaginary Aztlan state) to Mexican communities to give birth to kids unnoticed by INS officials.

Yeah, same thing in Koreatown, the only f--ked up thing is that the US immigration authorities are pinning down Koreans (and I also heard Chinese) who want their kids to make use of the education in the US.

Unlike Asians, the Mexicans want people to learn Spanish (which I REFUSE to learn..and shit..if a McDonald's worker can't understand what a Bigmac is...then fire him/her). They refuse to make use of the education system. In fact, they made LAUSD WORSE, because of the time spent for bilingual education (people in Washington state, oregon, Arizona, New York and Texas laugh at this kind of crap).

LAUSD = joke

YuheiCarreau
09-25-2003, 11:01 PM
I think it's just easier to keep track of people coming into the US from Korea than people coming in from Mexico.

AliBabaIncorporated
09-26-2003, 05:48 AM
Yeah, same thing in Koreatown, the only f--ked up thing is that the US immigration authorities are pinning down Koreans (and I also heard Chinese) who want their kids to make use of the education in the US.
Last time I checked S. Korea was an industrialized country with a high literacy rate and its very own educational system. If these women don't like the educational system there, perhaps they should try to reform it. Or maybe they could try proving to a US consular officer that they have useful skills which make them worthy of immigrating here through standard channels, rather than cheating the system to get a place in ours. This is especially true when in light of the fact that as Korean citizens resident in Korea with no connection to the US, they pay even less in taxes to the US and state governments than do illegal immigrants, who at least do by proxy when they buy goods on which there is imposed a sales tax.

AliBabaIncorporated
09-26-2003, 05:51 AM
I think it's just easier to keep track of people coming into the US from Korea than people coming in from Mexico.
Then build a wall on the border.

SunWuKong
09-26-2003, 07:14 AM
to be honest, and i'm not saying that it doesn't happen, i have never known any Chinese people who have flown to the US just to give birth to their kids so their kids can have US citizenship. i've known plenty of Chinese people who came to the country illegally, but no cases of "tourist mothers".

AliBabaIncorporated
09-26-2003, 07:53 AM
to be honest, and i'm not saying that it doesn't happen, i have never known any Chinese people who have flown to the US just to give birth to their kids so their kids can have US citizenship. i've known plenty of Chinese people who came to the country illegally, but no cases of "tourist mothers".
Well, I guess there's not as much incentive for HKers to do it cuz there's no military service to avoid. And mainlanders get screened pretty closely prior to being granted tourism visas. What about Taiwanese, though? Similar incentives to Koreans ...

SunWuKong
09-26-2003, 10:52 AM
Well, I guess there's not as much incentive for HKers to do it cuz there's no military service to avoid. And mainlanders get screened pretty closely prior to being granted tourism visas. What about Taiwanese, though? Similar incentives to Koreans ...


maybe there will be HKers and mainlanders doing this now, because HKers are no longer going to get British Colonial citizenship when they're born, and tourist visa policies in mainland has relaxed a lot in recent years.

don't know if there's a trend in Taiwanese people doing this. i've never read about it and i've never heard of it. but i don't know nearly as many Taiwanese people as i know mainlanders and HKers. and Singaporeans have similar incentives as Taiwanese and Koreans, right?

applehead
09-26-2003, 12:53 PM
how embarassing.