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VV o n g B a
07-24-2003, 08:45 AM
taken from slashdot, "Marshall Brain (the guy who started HowStuffWorks) has published an article claiming that robots will take half the jobs in the U.S. by 2050. Some of his predictions: real computer vision systems by 2020, computers with the CPU power and memory of the human brain by 2040, completely robotic fast food restaurants in 2030 (which then unemploy 3.5 million people), etc. It's a pretty astounding article. My question: How many people on /. think he is right (or even close - let's say he's off by 10 or 20 years)? Or is he full of it?"

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Robotic Nation
by Marshall Brain
I went to McDonald's this weekend with the kids. We go to McDonald's to eat about once a week because it is a mile from the house and has an indoor play area. Our normal routine is to walk in to McDonald's, stand in line, order, stand around waiting for the order, sit down, eat and play.
On Sunday, this decades-old routine changed forever. When we walked in to McDonald's, an attractive woman in a suit greeted us and said, "Are you planning to visit the play area tonight?" The kids screamed, "Yeah!" "McDonald's has a new system that you can use to order your food right in the play area. Would you like to try it?" The kids screamed, "Yeah!"

The woman walks us over to a pair of kiosks in the play area. She starts to show me how the kiosks work and the kids scream, "We want to do it!" So I pull up a chair and the kids stand on it while the (extremely patient) woman in a suit walks the kids through the screens. David ordered his food, Irena ordered her food, I ordered my food. It's a simple system. Then it was time to pay. Interestingly, the kiosk only took cash in the form of bills. So I fed my bills into the machine. Then you take a little plastic number to set on your table and type the number in. The transaction is complete.

We sat down at a table. We put our number in the center of the table and waited. In about 10 seconds the kids screamed, "When is our food going to get here???" I said, "Let's count." In less than two minutes a woman in an apron put a tray with our food on the table, handed us our change, took the plastic number and left.

You know what? It is a nice system. It works. It is much nicer than standing in line. The only improvement I would request is the ability to use a credit card.

I will make this prediction: by 2008, every meal in every fast food restaurant will be ordered from a kiosk like this, or from a similar system embedded in each table.

As nice as this system is, however, I think that it represents the tip of an iceberg that we do not understand. This iceberg is going to change the American economy in ways that are very hard to imagine.

full article (long) (http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm)

lethal
07-24-2003, 09:25 AM
Won't people have to be employed building and designing the robots? Well, robots could probabaly build and maintain them, but designing?

Luckily I'm entering a prefession that is not replaceable by robots. Lawyers can be replaced by rocks though. And sharks.

BeTheReds
07-24-2003, 09:44 AM
People said that computers would kill jobs and it actually created them.  Robots will replace unskilled labor only, meaning the end of sweatshops, and the beginning of pristine fast food.  Robots will not replace anything that takes as much skill as maids and babysitters, because hiring a human would be cheaper than buying a robot and powering and maintaining it.

In addition automation will introduce a whole new industry.  There will be people dealing in robot parts, and programmers making up new ais and ai bug fixes every other week. The only sector automation hurts is assembly line manufacturing.

VV o n g B a
07-24-2003, 09:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-lethalweapon+Jul 24 2003, 11:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lethalweapon @ Jul 24 2003, 11:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Won't people have to be employed building and designing the robots? Well, robots could probabaly build and maintain them, but designing?

Luckily I'm entering a prefession that is not replaceable by robots. Lawyers can be replaced by rocks though. And sharks. [/b][/quote]
thats why only half of the jobs in the US would be lost. simple labor jobs are primarily the jobs that would be replaced. not high level ones. but even then, if u consider the rate of outsourcing design jobs to asia, then the US could be in for some tough times. personally, i don't believe the american ppl will stand for it. there will be neo-luddites who will riot and revolt and boycott companies that replace regular workers w/ autonomous robots.

but i have my doubts that the situation will move as quickly as he describes. much of his extrapolation depends on the integrity of moore's law and many technologists are now predicting the death of moore's law in about 20 years b/c engineers will hit physical laws (with current and tomorrow's materials) that they cannot make an endrun around. but who knows, maybe quantum computers and holographic memory (current day holy grails) will come online faster than currently believed and keep the trend up into the 2050s.

this might even affect the world economy as even low wage workers in china and africa compete with machines.

BeTheReds
07-24-2003, 10:25 AM
And then they will become self aware!&nbsp; We need to protect every family with the last name Connor RIGHT NOW!!!!!

golden_buns
07-24-2003, 06:14 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-BeTheReds+Jul 24 2003, 08:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 24 2003, 08:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> People said that computers would kill jobs and it actually created them. Robots will replace unskilled labor only, meaning the end of sweatshops, and the beginning of pristine fast food. Robots will not replace anything that takes as much skill as maids and babysitters, because hiring a human would be cheaper than buying a robot and powering and maintaining it.

In addition automation will introduce a whole new industry. There will be people dealing in robot parts, and programmers making up new ais and ai bug fixes every other week. The only sector automation hurts is assembly line manufacturing. [/b][/quote]
robots for uskilled labor means less need for low wage immigrants in wealthy countries That's not bad at all&nbsp;

AliBabaIncorporated
07-25-2003, 01:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-BeTheReds+Jul 24 2003, 09:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 24 2003, 09:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In addition automation will introduce a whole new industry. There will be people dealing in robot parts, and programmers making up new ais and ai bug fixes every other week. The only sector automation hurts is assembly line manufacturing. [/b][/quote]
Yes, but how many of the unskilled 7-11 clerks, janitors, and sweatshop laborers the robots replace have the abilities and intelligence to ever get one of those jobs? Some, maybe. But I highly doubt there's that many out there who are presently working at jobs so far under their potential.

Yeahman
07-28-2003, 04:19 PM
more advanced tools will make today's high-tech jobs tomorrow's low-tech jobs. so there will still be jobs for those people.