Better to run or fight?

[Cipherous]

A situation arosed when my friend got in an altercation with another guy on the opposing team.

my friend is about 5'10", 160lbs, a medium build white guy that doesn't look very intimidating.

However the guy he was to fight is about 6'2ish, around 200. He wasn't super big but he was cut and looked strong.

Well, my friend isn't the guy who likes to fight, hes kinda of a sissy.

However, the other guy was just flat out embarrassing him, he started punching him and pushing him. My friend was clearly scared.

Needless to say, I was alittle intimidated too. However, my friends and I didn't revert to physical force but got my friend out of there.

The other guy was still angry and threatened to kill him, he said he was going to his car and said somebody better the cops when he got back. Which he did leave, he grabbed his keys and left for his car.

After that, we booked out of there.

Thinking back, were we right not to fight him or should we had stood up to him?

what would you guys do?

[lethal]

The opposing team?

How did this altercation come about?

Looks like your friends was going to get pummeled if you didn't get him out of tehre. Probably leaving was the best thing to do, unless the other guy is the vindictive type who will go after you at home.

[kimpossible]

Don't sweat it. Looking at it realistically, if you aren't willing to fuck someone unprotected or share a needle with them you shouldn't be fistfighting them since you can swap just as much bodily fluid (blood). Pommeling the bejeezus out of some jerk is satisfying but it's a short lived victory if the dude has AIDS, Hepatitus or some other blood disease.

Now if you wanted to shoot the bastard from a safe distance...

[sOKaLiBoY]

i was always taught that fighting is not the answer. and in 22 years, i haven't been in one fight. i've never had to back down and pussy out either. guess i've just always kept out of all of that shit

[Hiroshi2]

Only hit the guy if he hits you first. That's what I've learned. And even then, you have to learn to pick your fights and decide if it's worth it (of course, you have like a second or two to decide, so it's more of an instinct, I suppose).

[Fireblade]

It depends on the situation. If you have a good reason to fight, and you believe you can take down the guy, do it. Otherwise just leave it alone. You don't wanna arrive in the emergency hospital with several broken bones, and a large ass bill to pay, just because someone punked you.

[DragonKnight]

Back in my younger days I'd be more willing to throw down. I never encouraged fighting but I've been in my share of scraps. Never been beaten up either.

Nowadays I'm a lot older. Don't wanna get involved in lawsuits or any of the type. Plus, my body can't take much more considering the damage I've done to it.

Personally I think your friend was right on not fighting. Especially over two teams. Last thing you want is be suspended and not being able to play for your team due to a stupid fight.

[Faithless]

Originally posted by Cipherous@Jun 20 2003, 11:34 AM
A situation arosed when my friend got in an altercation with another guy on the opposing team.

my friend is about 5'10", 160lbs, a medium build white guy that doesn't look very intimidating.

However the guy he was to fight is about 6'2ish, around 200. He wasn't super big but he was cut and looked strong.

Well, my friend isn't the guy who likes to fight, hes kinda of a sissy.

However, the other guy was just flat out embarrassing him, he started punching him and pushing him. My friend was clearly scared.

Needless to say, I was alittle intimidated too. However, my friends and I didn't revert to physical force but got my friend out of there.

The other guy was still angry and threatened to kill him, he said he was going to his car and said somebody better the cops when he got back. Which he did leave, he grabbed his keys and left for his car.

After that, we booked out of there.

Thinking back, were we right not to fight him or should we had stood up to him?

what would you guys do?
Who started it?

And is it legal for a guy to punch-around another guy?

[Emperor_Mike]

You and your friend did the right thing. The odds were clearly against you in any case. The thing about getting into fights nowadays is not so much the worries about bodily injury (though that's still an issue) but rather the possibility of a post-fight lawsuit. If you must fight (and I'm not encouraging this) at least make sure that you have sufficient grounds such as self-defense before throwing any punches. There's also the added concern of an on-going affair utilising deadly force and/or concealed weapons. Rash people often kill before realising what they're doing is criminal. Most of the time it's best to let things be unless the situation is untenable.

[Cipherous]

Originally posted by Cipherous@Jun 20 2003, 11:34 AM
A situation arosed when my friend got in an altercation with another guy on the opposing team.

my friend is about 5'10", 160lbs, a medium build white guy that doesn't look very intimidating.

However the guy he was to fight is about 6'2ish, around 200. He wasn't super big but he was cut and looked strong.

Well, my friend isn't the guy who likes to fight, hes kinda of a sissy.

However, the other guy was just flat out embarrassing him, he started punching him and pushing him. My friend was clearly scared.

Needless to say, I was alittle intimidated too. However, my friends and I didn't revert to physical force but got my friend out of there.

The other guy was still angry and threatened to kill him, he said he was going to his car and said somebody better the cops when he got back. Which he did leave, he grabbed his keys and left for his car.

After that, we booked out of there.

Thinking back, were we right not to fight him or should we had stood up to him?

what would you guys do?
oops, I guess I forget the part where the fight was over a basketball game in a college gym. My college isn't in the best part of town, its in Maryland but near the bad parts of Washington DC.

anyways...

My friend is an all county basketball star and he was embarassing the bully pretty good. I guess the bully couldn't stand the embarassment of losing so he was getting very physical with my friend.

My friend, being the competetor that he is, talked some trash back at him. I beleive my friend said "I am not going to let you score" and the guy went apesh!t.

The bully reverted to hard fouls and low blows to stop my friend.

After like 5 hard fouls, my friend had enough and said "whats your problem asshole" and the guy just started swinging.

I've backed up my friend before, I was very close to tackling the guy but I was very apprehensive.

In fact, my other friend tried to get the guy off of my friend and the bully swung at him.

At that point, after a few punches, the guy said "when I come back from my car, somebody better call the cops". He picked up his car keys and left but left his pants and jacket [not leaving entirely but coming back]. Needless to say we didn't want to be the reasons why the cops should be called. We decided to head out of the gym.

[Cipherous]

I agree that fighting isn't the answer but there are just somethings that a person shouldn't take. I mean me and my friends had the numbers and I think we could've taken the bully. However, I tend to think clearly and I knew the consequences (possible big brawl, his friends could've came, he could've had a gun,etc).

However, I just can't seem to help think that we should've stood up for ourselves. I think my friend regrets it and he is embarassed by it and I am kinda embarassed for not standing up for him.

A few bruises ain't nothing much for a buddy but then again, a gun shot ain't worth being punked.

[Faithless]

You could have tackled the bully. Just say you were trying to stop the fight.

Bully should quit the game too, since it's obvious he aint got game. :rolleyes:

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by Cipherous@Jun 20 2003, 03:12 PM
I agree that fighting isn't the answer but there are just somethings that a person shouldn't take. I mean me and my friends had the numbers and I think we could've taken the bully. However, I tend to think clearly and I knew the consequences (possible big brawl, his friends could've came, he could've had a gun,etc).

However, I just can't seem to help think that we should've stood up for ourselves. I think my friend regrets it and he is embarassed by it and I am kinda embarassed for not standing up for him.

A few bruises ain't nothing much for a buddy but then again, a gun shot ain't worth being punked.
Any attempts at chivalry in this day and age must take a back seat to common sense when the society we live in harbours a disturbing fondness for resorting to deadly machinations to resolve matters.

[Chester]

It's not always a matter of running or fighting. Usually, if you don't go to places where shit's likely to go down, shit doesn't go down. Even if you go to such places, shit usually doesn't go down if you're not inviting it. And even if you invite it, if you keep your wits around you, there's no need for stuff to escalate to the physical.

I rarely ever find myself in a situation that might end up being a fight. I haven't been a participant in a fight since junior high. There've been a few times when it almost got to that point, but usually when you don't back down and make the other guy feel like a schmuck with words, things get off the physical tip.

And when they don't, you just call the bluff, and let 'em know that you're not going anywhere, that you'll wait for him to throw the first punch, then you'll kick his ass in self-defense, and then you'll press charges on top of it. The vast majority of the time, guys running off at the mouth about how they're going to do this or going to do that aren't going to do shit when you call them on it.

Of course, that's a risk you can take when it's a reasonably fair fight. If the guy's some monster and especially if it's some monster who's threatening to come back with something from his car, then you get the fuck out of Dodge. You're not surrendering your dignity for refusing to get your ass shot.

And, really, in general, it's better to back down. You never know what a guy's going to do these days. Even if you beat him down the first time, you never know whether or not he'll be coming back and you never know what or who he'll be coming back with. For some people, their ego and machismo are the only things they have to lose. It's best not to get into a beef with someone who has less to risk by fighting than you do. If you have to swallow your pride to walk away, then so be it. Better than getting stabbed by some loser or dog-piled by his loser friends.

Anyway, if I were your friend, I would've walked from the game once it became some ego-battle. And I wouldn't have called the guy an asshole.

But once that dude split for your car, I'd have been the first motherfucker hightailing it out of the gym.

As for what you should've done...eh, tough spot to be in. Best thing is to get the aggressor to back down, whether you need to restrain him or just bitch him out. But if the guy's a wack-job, that doesn't always calm things down. Anyway, I don't see any problem with what y'all did.

[thaite]

Um, what the hell was he going to the car for? To get a gun? Who knows, you were right to leave.

I don't think your friend had to stand around and take punches. Nor would I blame him for fighting back.

But like I said, you don't know why he was going to his car, so likely you were right in bailing.

[ChinaLama]

i believe in fighting only when you're certain or have a really big chance of winning. if the chance is mostly that you'll lose, then better to try to get out of the argument. cowardice is a great survival instinct. :)

but if you're reasonably sure of winning, kick the shit out of the guy so bad he'll never ever fuck w/ you ever again.

[ren28]

I think leaving would have been the right thing to do since you were probably not armed at the time. It's pretty retarded for a bigger person to go out to a car under the inferring that he is going to get a weapon.

People seem to get pretty worked up over a game of basketball. That sort of thing almost happened to me during a game. I kept getting fouled and eventually got knocked over while guarding some fool. He backed into me hard while I was standing still. He got all upset because he could not get around my defense when I stepped up my game to match his rough moves. I could see it in his eyes that he wanted to box but I did not do anything. I was quite ready to rip out his throat at the time but I figured I would not do anything until he swung. I'd not cause a ruckus over a game but I'd definitely end it. My bro almost jumped the moron when he knocked me down in that blatant charge.

[bankuei]

It's never, never worth fighting over words. The pushing doesn't mean nothing. Punching, well...let's look at it like this:

-If your friend loses, that guy will continue to talk shit(and he also got hurt)
-If your friend wins, that guy will come back with a gun or friends, or both

Granted, walking away means this guy will still talk shit...but, you don't get hurt, and you don't have to watch your back all the time. And, rest assured, if that guy keeps up with shit like that, he will meet up one day with someone who will either:

1) knee him in the nuts and step on his windpipe, or
2) shoot him in the back

I spent my entire highschool experience ducking and dodging 3 filipino families and at least 2 gangs from a single fight I won in middle school. It's not worth it.

The only time that's worth fighting is if you think this person is going to put you in the hospital or grave, and at that point, you want to be doing the same to them. Which means its not some light shit.

If you want to "win" a fight, you need to hurt a person to the point where they CAN'T fight back, even if they want to, and then you have to spend the rest of your life watching your back from them or their friends. It's not cool.

Swallow your pride, and just recognize that assholes eventually encounter crazy people and the laws of averages and karma does the rest.

Chris

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Cipherous@Jun 21 2003, 08:05 AM

oops, I guess I forget the part where the fight was over a basketball game in a college gym. My college isn't in the best part of town, its in Maryland but near the bad parts of Washington DC.

Is this UMCP? I went there for 5 years and never witnessed any fights.

[Cipherous]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jun 22 2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Cipherous@Jun 21 2003, 08:05 AM

oops, I guess I forget the part where the fight was over a basketball game in a college gym.  My college isn't in the best part of town, its in Maryland but near the bad parts of Washington DC. 

Is this UMCP? I went there for 5 years and never witnessed any fights.
Yep, good ole college park.

There usually isn't any fights but I guess theres an exception for everyt situation.

[Faithless]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Jun 20 2003, 06:00 PM
i believe in fighting only when you're certain or have a really big chance of winning. if the chance is mostly that you'll lose, then better to try to get out of the argument. cowardice is a great survival instinct. :)

but if you're reasonably sure of winning, kick the shit out of the guy so bad he'll never ever fuck w/ you ever again.
Did you say, "please, sir, give me a law suit?"

I was told by a cop, once, that even if I used a bat to protect myself from a thief, the thief would have rights to sue, and the cop would have arrested me.

Pick your fights if your life depends apon it.

[artsfartsyjanet]

I guy should only fight in self defense... if his physical or mental well being is threatened.

[Tao]

Originally posted by artsfartsyjanet@Jun 23 2003, 10:35 AM
I guy should only fight in self defense... if his physical or mental well being is threatened.
what if it's his friend? should he help out?

[artsfartsyjanet]

Originally posted by Tao@Jun 23 2003, 02:40 PM
what if it's his friend? should he help out?
Self-defense doesn't have to be physical. One can simply walk away, but if the perpetrator attempts to harm physically, then he should physically fight back. If he physically fights back and can't fight back, and his friend is there, the friend should call the police and report it.

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

As far as I know and have been told, Krav Maga teaches you that unless conflict is unavoidable, the best thing to do in a fightis to run away. Then, if you can't run away, get a stick or something else that gives you distance between you and your opponent. If not, then fight really, really dirty. Fighting is about survival, not pride.

I figure if the Israelis would have run away, it's best if you do too. Those guys don't screw around and they don't let anybody walk all over them.

[lethal]

Originally posted by ChottoMatte@Jun 23 2003, 03:12 AM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@Jun 20 2003, 06:00 PM
i believe in fighting only when you're certain or have a really big chance of winning. if the chance is mostly that you'll lose, then better to try to get out of the argument. cowardice is a great survival instinct. :) but if you're reasonably sure of winning, kick the shit out of the guy so bad he'll never ever fuck w/ you ever again. Did you say, "please, sir, give me a law suit?" I was told by a cop, once, that even if I used a bat to protect myself from a thief, the thief would have rights to sue, and the cop would have arrested me. Pick your fights if your life depends apon it.
<P>That really depends on the situation.&nbsp; If the thief is armed and/or is invading your home, you have a right to protect yourself.</P>
<P>The thief could sue, but self-defense is a valid defense to that lawsuit.&nbsp; Plus, how many sane juries are going to be sympathetic to a guy trying to rob you?&nbsp; Reward the thief or the guy just protecting himself, I wonder what they would do?&nbsp; You could countersue as well.</P>
<P>I think the cop was just spouting some propaganda to try to keep people from defending themselves so situations wouldn't escalate making his job much easier.</P>

[Faithless]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jun 23 2003, 12:40 PM
Did you say, "please, sir, give me a law suit?" I was told by a cop, once, that even if I used a bat to protect myself from a thief, the thief would have rights to sue, and the cop would have arrested me. Pick your fights if your life depends apon it.
<P>That really depends on the situation. If the thief is armed and/or is invading your home, you have a right to protect yourself.</P>
<P>The thief could sue, but self-defense is a valid defense to that lawsuit. Plus, how many sane juries are going to be sympathetic to a guy trying to rob you? Reward the thief or the guy just protecting himself, I wonder what they would do? You could countersue as well.</P>
<P>I think the cop was just spouting some propaganda to try to keep people from defending themselves so situations wouldn't escalate making his job much easier.</P> [/quote]
Yeah, I beliieve in protecting my home and family.

My situation was out in the open. We were chasing down a guy who had stolen my wife's bike. There he was riding it around at night. I confronted him with a bat. He ran.

Later, the cops came, and we talked about my rights to use the bat.

[Adaon]

I'd have waited around to see what he would have done. I'm just stupid like that....if my friend wanted to leave, I'd leave, but if it were me, I'd wait. if he brought a gun, I doubt very much he'd get very far, even if I died...and I'm pretty sure that if he would have shot me over a b-ball game, he would have done worse on the street. If he got his friends, I'd wait for the first hit. If he was just gonna go grab a drink from his car and see if he scared the hell outta us, I'd laugh at him while shooting some hoops still. And if he DID bring a gun, I'd actually use my cell to call the cops/get my friends to call the cops. Either way, the fool gets it in the end. I'd not instigate anything.

[mrazntre]

If you do anything, i'd just make sure that the PERP was "inside" your house.....


=)

[Commando_turned_MD]

Looks can be deceiving..Never know unless you try
Fight............Fight........Fight...........

[angelwiththesword]

i would fight pretty much anyone and everyone if i had that optic blast like cyc has above me here.

but honestly, if i had a choice to run or fight, i would probably stay and fight.

[achtungbaby]

1. Don't ever force your friends to get into a fight with you. Nothing's worse than getting your ass kicked because of a loudmouth friend.

2. Never, ever back down when your friend is being threatened.

3. You guys shoulda kicked his ass. I hate friggen sore losers who have no skill. At least when I get my ass kicked in a sport, I'm not gonna bitch and moan about it.

[Cipherous]

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2. Never, ever back down when your friend is being threatened.

3. You guys shoulda kicked his ass. I hate friggen sore losers who have no skill. At least when I get my ass kicked in a sport, I'm not gonna bitch and moan about it. [/b][/quote]
my friend wasn't gonna fight the guy, hes a big wuss ( l love him but thats just him).

from what I got, I think the guy was going back to his car for his gun or some weapon.

He said "Yall better call the cops when I get back...you'll regret fucking with me", he gets his keys from his pants and leaves (he leaves his pants behind).

I mean we could've stayed and fought but I doubt my friend would do that. And even if I think about it now, running was the best thing to do.

[himura-dono]

all of you shoulda got his back and jumped his ass =)

[Icepak]

If you guys could have taken him, I say you should have. But, leaving was probably the best thing since this guy didn't sound like a rational or smart guy. But if I was in your position and my friend was getting wailed on by this guy, this fucker would have gotten his ass kicked by me. But tell your friend to cut the shit talking to guys he doesn't know and can kick his ass. Obviously, his mouth got him in trouble. Maryland? Need some backup next time? Hehe!

[Ogumo]

I would have hit him once hard enough to break his nose so that he would not chase. Then I would have ran.

[Tao]

I would have hit him once hard enough to break his nose so that he would not chase. Then I would have ran.
if he's not gonna chase why run? take your sweet time

[Ogumo]

if he's not gonna chase why run? take your sweet time

The breaking his nose would be more deter him from follwing me. He would be in pain. But he could be one of those people with a very high tolerence for pain.
I would run just to be safe. There are freaks out there that when the natural chemical is realeased into their blood could probably be shot and still push foward. The last thing that I would want is to walk away taking my time and him come and attack me from behind.

[Ogumo]

Breaking the teeth has proven to be equally effective.

[ChinaLama]

The breaking his nose would be more deter him from follwing me. He would be in pain. But he could be one of those people with a very high tolerence for pain.
I would run just to be safe. There are freaks out there that when the natural chemical is realeased into their blood could probably be shot and still push foward. The last thing that I would want is to walk away taking my time and him come and attack me from behind.

ka....me...ha...me....haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

problem solved. now you don't have to run.

[Ogumo]

Maybe in your world chinalama.

[Ogumo]

Also for fighting someone that is larger than you. It is possible to do...but you must attack him before he can do anything. Punch at the nose,teeth or stomach. Not the belly...it is some what effective but not in each case. To stomach is slightly below the ribs. That will hurt more. After that you can either run or beat your opponant further. But if you have broken his teeth...further aggresion is not neccisary. Also the injuries to the hands are astonishingly painful.

[ChinaLama]

Maybe in your world chinalama.

i wish. :( actually i'd need a faster move to instantly cripple him. then to be a dick totally overkill him w/ a crazy move. :D

[Ogumo]

Just watch that show. It was damn ridiculous in 94. Burning each other with ki. Crazy stuff. I am sure we will read in the news paper "Insane chinese man attacks other man with immitated acts" "This had sexy results!" or something like that.

[ChinaLama]

Chinese guy pulls out a katana out of nowhere and cuts off someone's head while screaming "I MUST PROTECT MY NINJA WAY!". duududdudu.

[Fireblade]

For some reason, I think all fight scenes look better if done in slow-mo and with trance music in the background. So like if you're punching the shit out of someone, you can beat them along with the sound of the music! Worked for Matrix.

[himura-dono]

F-U-G-L-Y

not fulgy... FUGLY. unless fulgy is some wierd ghetto-ass word you made up.

sorry, it's your title, but i know what you're trying to say, and it's annoyed me for two weeks seeing it that way and not knowing if you really just misspelled it.