Your parents views of other asians?

[mr. x]

this is sort of a spinoff of the are asians racist topic

anyway what are your parents views of OTHER asian groups? my parents are pretty openminded but talk a lil shit on the side here and there.

take koreans for example, for the most part they dont mind them at all (like in everyday encounters) my dad bought this luggage from a guy in SF who was korean and he's like "oh i went to seoul once" (before i was born, i was like "wait i didnt know this") but during the world cup in which koreans were doing pretty hot my moms like "wuh boo shi hwan han gwo ren, tah menh hen shieng (i dont like koreans, they are so (hmm whats the word, like hardcore, or fierce kinda)"

they tend to have more moderate views of japanese, my dad speaks pretty good japanese.

we're taiwanese but my parents arent like anti-chinese (but tend to dislike the govt) but they say that mainlanders are more stingy and stuff

i hear conflicting stories about koreans, like some people saying how korean parents tell kids to marry chinese while i hear from friends how korean parents hate their kid's non-korean asian bf. like one girl said her uncle got hella mad cuz her cousin married a viet and a friend of mine's gf's parents didnt like him cuz of his chineseness even though they hadnt even met him. throw in other races in the mix if you like white, black, hispanican, choose your flavor.

[applehead]

my korean parents seem to dislike
japanese people.
they make little comments here and there.

[angel nympho]

my parents are korean. they don't ever say anything, but i can tell they have distaste for vietnamese people and filipino people, too. but only like, generally. there are plently of vietnamese and filipino people that i've brought home and my parents have really liked a lot regardless.

[Tao]

Originally posted by mr. x@May 30 2003, 01:53 AM
but they say that mainlanders are more stingy and stuff

funny, my parents are from the mainland and they and their freinds sometimes bad mouth taiwanese as arrogant and ashamed of their roots (cause of one of taiwan's govt leader, maybe one of the presidential candidates), making a point in saying how his family was more japanese than chinese. and apparently he took great pride in that fact (my memory's a bit foggy, but i'm sure that was what pissed off a lot of the old mainlanders here in NYC). Cause not only was it stupid to bring shit like that up at a campaign speech, but also cause of japan's invasion of china and the killings. So what I'm trying to say is that sometimes my parents would get the impression that the taiwanese are like uncle toms.

I don't want to offend anyone here, but since you asked, i'd like to explain why they felt this way, instead of just saying something without causes.

[BeTheReds]

My dad hates everyone.

He hates Koreans, because they are backward thinking and too concerned with purity.

He hates Korean americans because they have lost sight of their identity and do not know who they are.

He hates Japanese for WW2.

The Chinese are smelly and stinky.

He has no respect for any of the other kinds of Asian, ESPECIALLY south Asians.

He hates whites, and blacks, and hispanics for pretty much the same reason that everyone lists on here.


And we all thought racism breeds racism, but I think I am one of the most tolerant people in the world.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I dun think my parents really give enough shit to make an impact, although I'll hear stereotypes or generalizations from them here and there, like stuff about how Japanese people are whitewashed and don't know their history, Koreans need plastic surgery to fix their eyes and smell like kimchi, mainlanders are money-grubbing and ghetto, Vietnamese are loud and violent, etc. But then again I also hear positive generalizations as well, such as Koreans seem to have a strong sense of community and help each other out whereas Chinese do not, etc etc. Once again, in the end, these are just comments that are hardly made often enough to matter, and I don't think they care too much who I date or hang out with as long as they aren't dipshits. Usually tho once again they warn me about gold-digging asian women seeking citizenship.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@May 29 2003, 10:58 PM
My dad hates everyone.

He hates Koreans, because they are backward thinking and too concerned with purity.

He hates Korean americans because they have lost sight of their identity and do not know who they are.

He hates Japanese for WW2.

The Chinese are smelly and stinky.

He has no respect for any of the other kinds of Asian, ESPECIALLY south Asians.

He hates whites, and blacks, and hispanics for pretty much the same reason that everyone lists on here.


And we all thought racism breeds racism, but I think I am one of the most tolerant people in the world.
Ur dad needs a hug from this smelly Chinese boy :D haha

Btw, why would he be concerned about Korean Americans losing their Korean'ness if supposedly he doesn't like Korean Koreans either, haha.

[Geegeh7]

Tao:

So what I'm trying to say is that sometimes my parents would get the impression that the taiwanese are like uncle toms

I HIGHLY agree with you! Though I am part Taiwanese, I know many others who are "uncle tomish" kind of Asians.

For example, they really don't care what happened to their country during Japan's occupation. Compare that to the Chinese and Koreans....Taiwanese are usually blase.

I also know this Taiwanese girl in my math class who thought that the Chinese and Koreans killed many Japanese during WWII!!! What the F!!! :blink:

As for my mother, she's Korean, but like BetheRed's dad, also dislikes Koreans because they like to cheat one another, and have very bad temper. She also says that Koreans (in Korea) have no manner. She also tells me stories (negative ones) about Japanese, ...because of their colonization between 1910-1945.


My daddy is blase....well...because he's third generation. However, he does crack some neat Filipino jokes. :P

However.....both of them seem to dislike black people in general (though not Asians). Why? Because blacks tend to push around Asians.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by applehead@May 30 2003, 12:57 AM
my korean parents seem to dislike
japanese people.
they make little comments here and there.
mine too. i wouldn't say dislike but more of distrust.

however, my grandparents hated the japanese.

as for my parents' other perceptions:

mainland chinese: rude, unmannered, loud and cheap as hell.

taiwanese: money hungry and militant ethnocentrics

korean: stingy with money.

nothing to major, compared to what i've heard come out of my grandparents' mouth about the japanese.

they don't know any southeastern asians to form a perception. but the whole pillage and plundering of chinese shopowners in indonesia kinda puts native indonesians in a negative light for them.

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

This is what I can gather from stuff my parents have said before. They've never actually stated outright bigoted things.

Blacks - Sometimes dangerous because many of them are uneducated.

Whites - Lazy, racist, like to spend money

Filipinos - jolly, say they study hard but that's not always true, like to spend money

Chinese (Mainland) - Will stab you in the back if it suits their needs

Japanese - Hard working. Neat

Koreans - Beat their wives. Insular

[VV o n g B a]

my parents views:

koreans - loud and have bossy women
japanese - don't like them much b/c they actually lived thru bombings
vietnamese and other southeast asians - no strong opinion

[sOKaLiBoY]

for some reason my mom always talks shit about koreans. now what makes no sense to me is that she is 1/2 korean. :blink: my dad is very openminded on the other hand.

[SunWuKong]

fujianese - hahhah sorry bunboy, but my parents don't really like fujianese people. they've got clients that are fujianese and they turn out to be the most difficult people to deal with. my parents say that they have no manners and they think that they can do business as if they were still in china, and then throw a fit upon the discovery that they have to do things differently here in the states.

taiwanese - i've never heard my parents talk much about the taiwanese until recent years. i don't think they have much of an opinion on taiwanese people, but they definitely dislike the taiwanese government now. everyone knows that as much as the taiwanese government want to justify independence with better government and higher morals, in many aspects, it is hardly that much different from the current state of the chinese government. so my parents basically think that the taiwanese government is full of shit. i mean, not that they think very highly of the mainland government either. they probably dislike the mainland government many times more, having grown up in HK while the cultural revolution was happening in the mainland.

japanese - my father likes japanese people because he thinks they make great cars and electronics. :rolleyes: his father, on the other hand, used to hate japanese people, because his entire village was starving and he saw people around him starve to death during the japanese occupation of china in WW2. but now he is pretty old and he has chilled out quite a bit on just about everything (although he still hasn't eased up on taiwan). he definitely still don't like japanese people though, but he also understands that it was also because simply that war does terrible things to people.

vietnamese - my father makes fun of how they talk sometimes. it's kind of dumb. but it's not like he looks down on vietnamese people. my parents are friends with my sister's vietnamese friend's parents.

indian - my parents think they smell bad. i suspect that this is because the most contact they had with indian people was back in HK, and a lot of indian people are relatively poorer there and a lot more traditional than the indian people i've seen in the states. and since not showering and bathing is an indian cultural trait, well, literally a lot of indian people in HK do smell. :rolleyes:

[YuheiCarreau]

Sometimes when I spit in public my father tells me that's something Chinese people do. But in Japan, it's not unusual for men to pee outdoors, especially at night comin' home from the bar :blink: . But he loves Chinese food, Chinese operas, and Chinese movies, plus my parents lived in HK for about 5 years, so I don't think it affects how he deals with people.

My Hapa friend was telling me that her father says "Chinese people will just stick anything in a pot and cook it!", but then I've heard that from a lot of Chinese people, too...

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by FrozenPizza@May 30 2003, 12:58 AM
such as Koreans seem to have a strong sense of community and help each other out whereas Chinese do not, etc etc.
Huh....my parents seem to have this same idea but backwards, I guess the grass looks greener on the other side. They also say that some Chinese people look messy and are stingy.
My dad seemed to dislike the japanese when I was a kid, but then we started hanging out a lot with 2 japanese families that lived in my city (since there were almost no asians) and now he likes them.
And about south-east asians, I haven't heard them say anything since they haven't come to touch with them.
The people they bash the most are Koreans, and strangely they're making a big effort for my brother and I to end up marrying korean

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 30 2003, 11:09 AM
fujianese - hahhah sorry bunboy, but my parents don't really like fujianese people. they've got clients that are fujianese and they turn out to be the most difficult people to deal with. my parents say that they have no manners and they think that they can do business as if they were still in china, and then throw a fit upon the discovery that they have to do things differently here in the states.


true true my dad says the same thing. we very uncouth.

my mom's cantonese family don't get along with my dad's fujianese family and vice-versa.

my dad and his side of the family said cantonese people are very loud, pretentious and dramatic. and the men are too sensitive and look like women. and my mom's side of the family stated what you stated.

but with the fusion of cantonese and fujianese into a zygote, i was born. the ultimate pimp pimp playboy. i have the ruggedness and manliness of the fukinese while maintaining the sensitivity of the cantonese. chicks dig it.

thank you momma and poppa for my ability to get chicks.

[Emperor_Mike]

My parents and most of my family are very tolerant of all Asians. They're unusual in the way that they haven't any difficulties with accepting people.

My Russian relatives on the other hand are pretty narrowminded in terms of their relationships with South East Asians (i.e. Malays, Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc.) They're OK with the Chinese and Japanese but do not tend to view Koreans in favourable light for some reason I'm not aware of.

[angel nympho]

So if all our parents tell us these things, are we really going to try to say that we didn't learn any of this from them?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 30 2003, 09:01 AM
Huh....my parents seem to have this same idea but backwards, I guess the grass looks greener on the other side.
Well...I dunno man, every Chinese person I've talked to agrees that Koreans give more of a shit about each other than Chinese people. Despite the obvious rumors or gossip that make its way around both communities, I'm always told that when the going gets tough, Koreans will stand by other Koreans and lend a helping hand whereas Chinese will just desert other Chinese if, as someone mentioned earlier, it suits their benefit. I can't say I embrace this fully but it makes some sense to me and I tend to somewhat agree.

Edit: I'm not saying that if you are Chinese or Korean (or any other ethnicity) that you are obligated to help out anyone else who is Chinese or Korean, but if you have already established your place in your respective Chinese or Korean community as someone who is reliable or at least an active participant, I think that such an obligation does in fact exist.

[Emperor_Mike]

We definitely should learn to be more tolerant based on our parents' views on Inter-Asian relations. There's absolutely no sense in disliking a group of people on the account of it "just being so."

Think of the opportunity costs involved in not wanting to associate with Asians deemed below certain standards.

[Geegeh7]

Ah, another thing, I don't know if China has inter-provincial rivalries, but Korea does.

My mother is from Kyongsang province, and she hates those from Cholla province.

She calls them criminals, crooks, psychopaths....you name it......., because that's where criminals were exhiled to in ancient Korea. Sort of like Australia, where the British exhiled their criminals there.

Cholla province is also the home of former jail-bird S Korean presidents Noh Tae-Woo and Chun Doo-Hwan.

[Geegeh7]

My Russian relatives on the other hand are pretty narrowminded in terms of their relationships with South East Asians (i.e. Malays, Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc.) They're OK with the Chinese and Japanese but do not tend to view Koreans in favourable light for some reason I'm not aware of.

Despite the fact that Russians seem to hate Koreans (for unknown reasons), I do know that the government still loves N Korea! Mwuhahahahahahahaha!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Geegeh7@May 30 2003, 03:14 PM
Ah, another thing, I don't know if China has inter-provincial rivalries, but Korea does.
China most definitely has inter-provincial/regional rivalries. while the national dialect is mandarin which is taught in school, each region has its own dialect and one dialect is largely unintelligible to another. that causes more friction amongst people from different people. and sometimes certain dialects even have sub-dialects, so that people in one region of one province might speak a little differently from people in another region.

[moschikat]

:huh:

well this thread explains a LOT!

My parents just said treat all people equally, and be kind to others.

[Tao]

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 30 2003, 02:26 PM
We definitely should learn to be more tolerant based on our parents' views on Inter-Asian relations. There's absolutely no sense in disliking a group of people on the account of it "just being so."

Think of the opportunity costs involved in not wanting to associate with Asians deemed below certain standards.
spoken like a true politician :lol:

yeah personally I find these prejudices to be quite absurd, especially when applied to the younger generations, in which case we all become intergrated and similar to at least some extent.

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by Geegeh7@May 30 2003, 11:14 AM
My mother is from Kyongsang province, and she hates those from Cholla province.

She calls them criminals, crooks, psychopaths....you name it......., because that's where criminals were exhiled to in ancient Korea. Sort of like Australia, where the British exhiled their criminals there.
My entire family is from Cholla. We're hated cuz president Park decided to ban any type of industrial activity in that province when he saw Kim Dae-Jung rising on power and people from Cholla sponsoring him and going against Park. When he moved all the industrialization from Cholla-Do to Kyunsang-Do, then we were left with nothing but farms

[Danny]

my Korean mother hates North Koreans (always told us that they were there to take her away from us) saying that they are all backwards and are all brainwashed.

Hate japanese people for everything that has happened between the two countries.

Hates Filipinos becuase she think all of the women in Korea that are prostitutes are filipina's and Russians. (Kind of a sore point as I married a filipina)

Hates pretty much everyone... blacks, latins, you name it my mom has a reason for hating them... funny that she married a white man at that...

Interesting thought that she planted in my head thouhg... she said that all people from warm weather climates (year long)_ tend to me be more lazy as they are use to lounging in the weather as opposed to people that have to deal with snow, who know how to work and are hardened by the weather... it is not true in all cases, but I have noticed a trend and believe this somewhat....

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by Geegeh7@May 30 2003, 11:15 AM

Despite the fact that Russians seem to hate Koreans (for unknown reasons), I do know that the government still loves N Korea! Mwuhahahahahahahaha!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
They're incredibly odd that way. I don't question it anymore because my Russki aunts, uncles, and cousins are touchy people.

And I can barely speak any Russian so communication is a problem. :D

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by Tao@May 30 2003, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 30 2003, 02:26 PM
We definitely should learn to be more tolerant based on our parents' views on Inter-Asian relations. There's absolutely no sense in disliking a group of people on the account of it "just being so."

Think of the opportunity costs involved in not wanting to associate with Asians deemed below certain standards.
spoken like a true politician :lol:

yeah personally I find these prejudices to be quite absurd, especially when applied to the younger generations, in which case we all become intergrated and similar to at least some extent.
Hopefully this generation and subsequent ones will learn how to play nicely with everyone else. :D

[rakovlam]

indian - my parents think they smell bad. i suspect that this is because the most contact they had with indian people was back in HK, and a lot of indian people are relatively poorer there and a lot more traditional than the indian people i've seen in the states. and since not showering and bathing is an indian cultural trait, well, literally a lot of indian people in HK do smell. 

An Indian kid in middle school once raised his arms during gym. I believe *gag* was the reaction.

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 30 2003, 01:16 PM

An Indian kid in middle school once raised his arms during gym. I believe *gag* was the reaction.
My Mum says the smell comes from a type of goat cheese found in Indian cooking called "Ghee." Must be really popular if everyone smells like it.

I could be wrong. Don't take my word on this.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 30 2003, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by rakovlam@May 30 2003, 01:16 PM

An Indian kid in middle school once raised his arms during gym.  I believe *gag* was the reaction.
My Mum says the smell comes from a type of goat cheese found in Indian cooking called "Ghee." Must be really popular if everyone smells like it.

I could be wrong. Don't take my word on this.
Every group has a distinct smell. Maybe you don't like it at first b/c it's unfamiliar, (i.e. goat cheese or kimchee or moth balls 'HK people hahaha') but after a while you don't even notice it anymore.

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by FrozenPizza@May 30 2003, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 30 2003, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by rakovlam@May 30 2003, 01:16 PM

An Indian kid in middle school once raised his arms during gym. I believe *gag* was the reaction.
My Mum says the smell comes from a type of goat cheese found in Indian cooking called "Ghee." Must be really popular if everyone smells like it.

I could be wrong. Don't take my word on this.
Every group has a distinct smell. Maybe you don't like it at first b/c it's unfamiliar, (i.e. goat cheese or kimchee or moth balls 'HK people hahaha') but after a while you don't even notice it anymore.
If you'll excuse me, I find getting used to Ghee hard to believe. Mothballs too actually. I get headaches every time I smell mothballs and coincidentally, my memory is beginning to slip. I think I'm losing brain cells. http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 30 2003, 04:40 PM
My Mum says the smell comes from a type of goat cheese found in Indian cooking called "Ghee." Must be really popular if everyone smells like it.

I could be wrong. Don't take my word on this.
Ghee is more butter-like, actually. Not sure whether it is supposed to be butter or cheese. But it's good with just about anything, especially roti. And it'll give you a heart attack by the time you're 40. I always thought the Indian body odor came from spices combined with the fact that, being descended partly from Europeans, plenty of Indians are hairy as hell, and sweat + underarm hair = vicious stink.

My mother complains that Chinese are clannish and Filipinos are too gossipy. I don't think she knows enough Koreans or Vietnamese to form a derogatory opinion about them.

My great-uncle (from Malaysia) looked down on mainlanders cuz he thought they were cheap and backwards, and Indonesians, Filipinos, and Bangladeshis cuz they do all the illegal labor in M'sia. He had a lot of respect for older and middle-aged Indians cuz he liked their cooking and movies, but he was always complaining about how the youngest generation of Indians (at least the ones in M'sia) acted like thugs.

[mr. x]

follow up question, what about your grandparent's views?

my gp's seem pretty chill (though my mom says my gramps was really stern with them as kids). i think they were old enough to remember the war but my gramps seems to like japan these days

im not too sure but from a conversation i overhead of my mom on the phone my grandma mightve been mugged in washington while we were touring (by a black man) and supposedly if i heard my mom right she's afraid of blacks but i dont recall this incident in any way (though i was young and maybe they simply didnt tell me).

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by mr. x@May 30 2003, 04:12 PM
follow up question, what about your grandparent's views?

my gp's seem pretty chill (though my mom says my gramps was really stern with them as kids). i think they were old enough to remember the war but my gramps seems to like japan these days

im not too sure but from a conversation i overhead of my mom on the phone my grandma mightve been mugged in washington while we were touring (by a black man) and supposedly if i heard my mom right she's afraid of blacks but i dont recall this incident in any way (though i was young and maybe they simply didnt tell me).
well grandparents are a different story

I imagine my grandparents (at least on my dad's side, my mom's side might be more open to white people) to be the most close-minded people on earth when it comes to dating or relationships, and not much better at all when it comes to other issues. They generalize and stereotype other groups (esp. Japanese, blacks, and whites) like crazy and they think nothing of it because nothing or no one in their upbringing has ever told them that there was anything wrong with it. Anything besides Chinese is seen as foreign, weird, undesirable or nasty to them, and therefore they do their best to avoid and ignore interaction with other groups.

[AngryABCGirl]

My parents don't like mainlanders because they think they're backwards.

They don't like none wan sen ren Taiwanese because they felt discriminated against as kids.

They kind of look down on SE Asians.

My grandma on the other hand doesn't like anybody, especially Japanese because she witnessed all these horrible things in the war and had to flee her home and go to Taiwan.

[sandra]

none of my parents or grandparents are/were racist. this is very strange...

[Fireblade]

my parents always have something bad to say about any asian or race. Even from where they come from. But there's always exceptions to the rule.

example: They say they dislike japanese people, but speak very very nicely about our japanese neighbors. :blink:

[Emperor_Mike]

My grandparents are just like my parents. They're very understanding people.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by kasia@May 31 2003, 02:33 AM
none of my parents or grandparents are/were racist. this is very strange...
I think most people here will say that their parents/grandparents aren't racist. They just have their views, like all the rest of us, but probably don't let those views get in the way of acting like a normal human being should act.

[Chinkaholic]

My entire family dislikes the old Japanese government during ww2 and some of the
people.
Chinese: yeah,yeah, stab you in the back, two-faced, Canto-ppl will eat anything. The normal trashy stuff between people of each province.
Korean: They help eachother out which is cool, and they're smart :)
Southeast Asians: stoic opinions?
Vietnamese: they think they speak funny. somehow thick.
white: TRASH. cannot be trusted. mainly
Black: lazy

I don't know why or how my parents began to harbor these views on people, but I don't really think it's that serious, but maybe i'm wrong.
It's just when someone of a particular race does something "bad," the excuse is always, "oh of course, it's because he's _______." (white, black, chinese, whatnot...)

but me,...i love everyone!!! (well, almost :P )

[sandra]

Originally posted by angel nympho@May 30 2003, 08:03 PM
I think most people here will say that their parents/grandparents aren't racist.  They just have their views, like all the rest of us, but probably don't let those views get in the way of acting like a normal human being should act.
having certain views, i.e., having "distaste" for a particular race, is racist. one need not act on his views to be racist.

anyhow, i wasn't comparing my parents/grandparents to others when i commented that it was strange that they weren't racist. i just thought it was strange b/c they weren't raised in american and thus were not exposed to other races like me but are/were nonetheless not racist.

[teaz0r]

japanese: too much kinky sex. not to happy
that a japanese soldier killed my great grandfather.
koreans: no manners, men beat their wives,
cantonese: two volumes; loud and louder
mainland chinese: no manners
thai: pretentious, social ladder climbers


all asian countries that were once a colony = suck

[tvbdude]

My uncle was giving me this lecture on staying in school and not be lazy like blacks.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by teaz0r@May 30 2003, 08:53 PM
japanese: too much kinky sex. not to happy
that a japanese soldier killed my great grandfather.
koreans: no manners, men beat their wives,
cantonese: two volumes; loud and louder
mainland chinese: no manners
thai: pretentious, social ladder climbers


all asian countries that were once a colony = suck
This doesn't really bother me, but I don't see where or how other Asian groups get off saying the Chinese (or Cantonese) people are loud. From previous observations, groups of Vietnamese, Koreans, and Filipinos (Japanese to a much lesser extent) easily match up to the decibel level at any mahjong parlor table, and in my opinion, these three languages (Vietnamese, Korean, and Tagalog, respectively) also sound more angry, if you don't understand the language.

[SunWuKong]

heh, Cantonese is very rough on the ears. i'm a native speaker, i should know. :D

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 30 2003, 09:03 PM
heh, Cantonese is very rough on the ears.  i'm a native speaker, i should know.  :D
I think maybe a lotta stuff sounds weird and messed up until you actually study it. Before learning anything, I didn't like how the Korean language sounded at all esp. the strong 'ch' sounds or the guttural (spelling?) emphasis, I always thought it was weird shit. Ditto with Mandarin, which before sounded very whiny and alien but I actually like speaking it now. For some reason, I never felt this way about the Japanese language, even though up until now I still haven't studied any Japanese, haha (beyond basic survival phrases). I have also heard that Vietnamese is not as difficult as it sounds, and actually has less tones than Cantonese (Cantonese has 9, damn that sucks haha, I guess native speakers or people exposed to it get cut a break).

[AliBabaIncorporated]

A lot of Cantonese is spoken more towards the back of the mouth. So you have no choice but to be loud. Vietnamese isn't as loud but the tones go all over the place, so to lots of people it sounds even more annoying than Cantonese.

Malay actually sounds cool, like Tagalog but less nasal. But I think I prefer the sound of Hindi or Tamil. Of course, I've been around it all this past semester.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by FrozenPizza@May 31 2003, 01:08 AM
I have also heard that Vietnamese is not as difficult as it sounds, and actually has less tones than Cantonese

vietnamese has 5 tones.

du ma! :D

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Not to hijack this thread but...I think there are just some languages that sound more suitable for certain situations :lol: for example:

French: Good for cussing people out or ordering food while looking cultured.

Mandarin: Good for whining.

Korean: Good for cussing people out and whining.

Cantonese: Good for complaining and sounding surprised.

Vietnamese: Good for cussing people out, complaining, or rallying your companions in battle.

Spanish: Good for cussing people out and talking dirty or romantic during sex.

Italian: Good for ordering food while looking cultured, or talking dirty or romantic during sex.

Tagalog: Good for sounding like a chirpy ghetto Spanish speaker planning conspiracies.

Japanese: Good for sounding excited, annoyingly happy, or fake.

Indonesian (or what I always hear out of the mouths of people from Indonesia): Good for sounding like you are planning conspiracies.

German: Good for talking while spitting or hocking a loogie at the same time.

Russian: Good for cussing people out or telling people to back the fuck off, also good for sounding disgusted and voicing contempt.

British-accented English: Good for sounding like an uppety ass that needs to get beat.

Australian-accented English: Ghetto version of British-accented English.

Canadian-accented English: Good for sounding like they almost were able to speak English like an American but alas were not smart enough.

sorry if I offended anybody

[AngryABCGirl]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 30 2003, 09:03 PM
heh, Cantonese is very rough on the ears. i'm a native speaker, i should know. :D
LoL, my best friend is Canto, and everytime we go someplace and they're Cantonese people screaming loudly I make fun of her.

Cantonese is like the German of Asia. :D

[Tao]

cantonese is like the ebonics of china

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Tao@May 31 2003, 01:37 AM
cantonese is like the ebonics of china
yes that's a very good analogy. :)

[MellowDrama]

My Filipino parents are pretty nice when it comes to other Asian people.... won't really say much about any group in particular. They just usually say Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean/Japanese/Filipinos are clannish and stick to their own too much, are too stingy, or, in the alternative, are too into material goods (yeah, I know, that's a contradiction, but whatever). But they're at least consistent in that they are probably as hard or harder on Filipinos as they are on any other ethnic group. My parents have very little contact with other Asian people their age outside of my dad's family who lives close to us (cuz we live out in FL where there is not too many Asians... but it's kinda gettin' better).

I don't know. Philippines has a weird history (i.e. no real national identity before they were colonized once by Spain, upon which they were subsequently recolonized by the U.S.), with not much historical interaction w/ other Asian people (aside from Chinese merchant traders and Malay settlers who came over in the pre-Magellan era and from whom most of the people are descended) so I think their feelings on other Asians is kind of apathetic.

[SunWuKong]

putang ina mo! :D

[MellowDrama]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 30 2003, 11:58 PM
putang ina mo! :D
back 2 ya! :lol:

[YuheiCarreau]

To Japanese ears, nearly all other Asian languages sound angry or excited all the time.

It's interesting that FP thinks Japanese is good for sounding excited, because it takes a tremendous amount of either anger or genki to make most Japanese sound like anything other than a really boring conversation.

Cantonese people are loud though, especially the ones from HK. The HK students at my school will scream up and down the halls to each other, even about the most personal stuff, almost as if there wasn't a 10 to 1 chance that a dozen other cantonese-speaking people were within earshot. :blink:

[lethal]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 31 2003, 01:16 AM

vietnamese has 5 tones.

du ma! :D
To me, Vietnamese (which I understand) sounds kinda like Cantonese (which I don't understand).

Vietnamese may have 5 tones, but there are 2 different e's, 3 different o's, and 2 u's so combine the 3 o's with the 5 tones and there's 15 possible pronounciations of the word O (and yes, there is a word "O").

Also, there are 3 different regional dialects. My Vietnamese sounds different than Sy's, even though we're speaking the same language and using the same words.

What makes Viet easier is that it is based on a French alphabet, which uses western characters.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 30 2003, 09:49 PM
yes that's a very good analogy.  :)
I dunno if that would be entirely accurate or fitting since supposedly what I have heard is that Cantonese is actually more closely related to what the vast majority of the people in the countryside (excluding big cities) used to speak way back when. This is why Chinese loan words in Korean and Japanese (and maybe Vietnamese but I'm not sure) have pronunciations which resemble more like Cantonese rather than Mandarin, which was a newer Chinese dialect spoken in the Beijing area (obviously since Beijing was made the capital, it became the national language required). When vocabulary is borrowed, usually the pronunciations are taken from the older and more permanent dialect (obviously mandarin was not as permanent at the time) which arguably at the same time you could perhaps say was not as linguistically evolved. Additionally, contrary to popular belief, Cantonese did not originate in southern China or the Guangdong province either, the use of Cantonese in speech was merely retained in this area over time due to perhaps cultural separation via mountains or geography. Of course I could be totally off course with this but it is currently what I believe because of information I have been fed.

[Azn Retribution]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@May 30 2003, 09:52 PM
My Filipino parents are pretty nice when it comes to other Asian people.... won't really say much about any group in particular. They just usually say Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean/Japanese/Filipinos are clannish and stick to their own too much, are too stingy, or, in the alternative, are too into material goods (yeah, I know, that's a contradiction, but whatever). But they're at least consistent in that they are probably as hard or harder on Filipinos as they are on any other ethnic group. My parents have very little contact with other Asian people their age outside of my dad's family who lives close to us (cuz we live out in FL where there is not too many Asians... but it's kinda gettin' better).

I don't know. Philippines has a weird history (i.e. no real national identity before they were colonized once by Spain, upon which they were subsequently recolonized by the U.S.), with not much historical interaction w/ other Asian people (aside from Chinese merchant traders and Malay settlers who came over in the pre-Magellan era and from whom most of the people are descended) so I think their feelings on other Asians is kind of apathetic.
I pretty much agree with this wholeheartedly..
filipinos are hard on filipinos

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@May 31 2003, 03:40 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 31 2003, 01:16 AM

vietnamese has 5 tones.

du ma!  :D
To me, Vietnamese (which I understand) sounds kinda like Cantonese (which I don't understand).

Vietnamese may have 5 tones, but there are 2 different e's, 3 different o's, and 2 u's so combine the 3 o's with the 5 tones and there's 15 possible pronounciations of the word O (and yes, there is a word "O").

Also, there are 3 different regional dialects. My Vietnamese sounds different than Sy's, even though we're speaking the same language and using the same words.

What makes Viet easier is that it is based on a French alphabet, which uses western characters.
i seem to have no problem distinguishing and reproducing the different tones when my vietnamese friends and colleagues teach me vietnamese words. but vietnamese sounds more nasally to me than cantonese.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by FrozenPizza@May 31 2003, 03:43 AM
I dunno if that would be entirely accurate or fitting since supposedly what I have heard is that Cantonese is actually more closely related to what the vast majority of the people in the countryside (excluding big cities) used to speak way back when. This is why Chinese loan words in Korean and Japanese (and maybe Vietnamese but I'm not sure) have pronunciations which resemble more like Cantonese rather than Mandarin, which was a newer Chinese dialect spoken in the Beijing area (obviously since Beijing was made the capital, it became the national language required). When vocabulary is borrowed, usually the pronunciations are taken from the older and more permanent dialect (obviously mandarin was not as permanent at the time) which arguably at the same time you could perhaps say was not as linguistically evolved. Additionally, contrary to popular belief, Cantonese did not originate in southern China or the Guangdong province either, the use of Cantonese in speech was merely retained in this area over time due to perhaps cultural separation via mountains or geography. Of course I could be totally off course with this but it is currently what I believe because of information I have been fed.
yes i've read that Cantonese is supposed to be older than Mandarin and closer to the way that people spoke in ancient China.

i've read that another piece of supporting evidence is Chinese characters themselves. certain Characters were created because they are phonetically similar to other characters. but some of these characters are more phonetically similar in Cantonese than in Mandarin.

[DragonKnight]

My parents's views of other Asians are pretty chillin. Tho my mom tends to make fun of other Asian accents from time to time. Which I remind her how annoying her dialect is compared to Tagalog (only happens when her side of the family comes over to torture...err, visit us). <_<

[MellowDrama]

which dialect is it? My mom speaks Ilocano. It is kinda annoying - it's so fuckin' loud.

[DragonKnight]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@May 31 2003, 01:02 PM
which dialect is it? My mom speaks Ilocano. It is kinda annoying - it's so fuckin' loud.
It's the one from Pampanga. I'll butcher the spelling if I try to type it out. :P

Yah, I went out with an Ilocano girl before. It's pretty friggin loud. Visayan is...wierd. I can't make heads or tails out of it compared to Tagalog (which I barely know any off in the first place). :blink:

[girlmagnet]

Some languages can be really noisy and more like singing instead of speaking
Gives me a massive headache because I do not understand them that is why
Malaysian, Indian and Singaporean accents can change the way I speak for a brief period during conversation until I switch it back

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Tao@May 31 2003, 12:37 AM
cantonese is like the ebonics of china
my mom was hesitant to teach me cantonese since my dad calls it the ghetto language i.e. this guai and that guai. hahahaha

my dad learned cantonese from selling fruits and veggies in ny's chinatown on mott street when we first came to the states, not from my mom.

the only phrases i know off hand in cantonese are:
1)i don't understand cantonese
2)pretty girl, does it feel good
3)fuck you

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by kasia@May 30 2003, 09:33 PM
none of my parents or grandparents are/were racist. this is very strange...
maybe they weren't as open about it as other parents. it's almost a given that chinese people will talk junk about people from other chinese provinces. but from my parents and my immediate relatives, i have basically heard every stereotype about every person from different chinese provinces and the "ban sen ren" people (indigenous taiwanese people).

or maybe they weren't racist at all.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 11:02 AM
maybe they weren't as open about it as other parents. it's almost a given that chinese people will talk junk about people from other chinese provinces. but from my parents and my immediate relatives, i have basically heard every stereotype about every person from different chinese provinces and the "ban sen ren" people (indigenous taiwanese people).

or maybe they weren't racist at all.
well, i remember kasie saying that her father came over at a very young age, so he may be more sensitive about saying shit about other asian people or chinese people from other regions, sort of like how most of us are more sensitive about that than our parents.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jun 1 2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 11:02 AM
maybe they weren't as open about it as other parents.&nbsp; it's almost a given that chinese people will talk junk about people from other chinese provinces.&nbsp; but from my parents and my immediate relatives, i have basically heard every stereotype about every person from different chinese provinces and the "ban sen ren" people (indigenous taiwanese people).

or maybe they weren't racist at all.
well, i remember kasie saying that her father came over at a very young age, so he may be more sensitive about saying shit about other asian people or chinese people from other regions, sort of like how most of us are more sensitive about that than our parents.
ahhhhhhh, i didn't know that.

[kayla]

I think Cantonese being the ebonics of Asian language depends on the region. My parents are from Guongdong and the cantonese I learned from them is more formal than the cantonese spoken in hong kong. HK cantonese tends to sound more rude and unrefined, in my opinion. I never use phrases like "say jai bao" or "poke gai". (bastard(?) and fall on street(?))

But back to topic,
My mom warns me not to marry a Japanese man cuz I'll never be full :P since they eat in such small portions.

And she thinks Koreans are very materialistic but have a deal of community alliance.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kayla@Jun 5 2003, 05:25 AM
I think Cantonese being the ebonics of Asian language depends on the region. My parents are from Guongdong and the cantonese I learned from them is more formal than the cantonese spoken in hong kong. HK cantonese tends to sound more rude and unrefined, in my opinion. I never use phrases like "say jai bao" or "poke gai". (bastard(?) and fall on street(?))

But back to topic,
My mom warns me not to marry a Japanese man cuz I'll never be full :P since they eat in such small portions.

And she thinks Koreans are very materialistic but have a deal of community alliance.
yeah HK/Macau cantonese is kind of bastardised, and as soon as you step into the rest of Guangdong, they can tell that you're from HK/Macau by the way you speak.

speaking of pohk gai, i've seen a shirt that says "PKNY", as opposed to "DKNY". :lol: