Clinton in 2004

[kimpossible]

For those that aren't opposed to voting Democrat or primarily vote Democrat... would you vote for Hillary if she ran?

[blue hoodie]

hell yeah I would. I never thought I would say this, but no more Bush!!!

:lol:

[MellowDrama]

I would not vote for her either. And I'm not a really big GWB fan myself.

[lethal]

I think 2004 may be too soon for her to run. After all, she just took her Senate seat a little over 2 years ago. Then again, if a Democrat besides her wins, it could be her last chance until 2012. That's probably too long a wait.

She spoke at my school a few weeks ago. If you want to see a webcast, click here (http://mdl.rutgers.edu:8080/ramgen/rutv/podium/clinton.smi).

As for the question, I wouldn't be predispositioned to vote either for or agaisnt her. I want to see who else runs and what their platforms are.

[yoMAMA]

Men, after those four years, anyone other than that intellectual genius is fine with me.

Clinton/Lewinsky 2004!

:D

[VV o n g B a]

no, b/c women need to be reminded of their place in the kitchen and not in the top office. she'd get my vote for first kitchen lady however. :ph34r:

[yoMAMA]

she can bake nice cookies!

[angelwiththesword]

sure.

she is less likely to have some dude under her desk

and she is less likely to blast away at some other country

[cmar]

If she were the nominee, I would vote for Clinton over Bush, however, I would prefer some other Democrat...Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich for example.

[VV o n g B a]

condi is black. and female. no matter her qualifications, i doubt she's gonna get the top office any time soon. she could be vp tho.

[SunWuKong]

who do you think would get into the office first? a male minority, a white female, or a female minority?

[thaite]

I'm not predisposed against her, but I'd have to hear what she's got to say before I can come out for her.

I don't think I'm all too anxious to see Bill back in the White House, though.

[AngryABCGirl]

Anything seems better than Bush.

And it would be so impowering to women to have a man under Hilitary's desk when she's on the phone with Russia. :dance:

[yoMAMA]

Originally posted by tazadar@Apr 21 2003, 02:14 PM
Condoleezza Rice makes for a better President than Hillary.
Condi is way too conservative for mainstream America.

[lethal]

Originally posted by thaite@Apr 21 2003, 06:40 PM
I'm not predisposed against her, but I'd have to hear what she's got to say before I can come out for her.

I don't think I'm all too anxious to see Bill back in the White House, though.
So it would be Madame President and the First Gentleman?

[rakovlam]

Condi is way too conservative for mainstream America.

:lol: , where do you live?

[Emperor_Mike]

Hillary Clinton is a smart one, yes. While the woman is competent in the political arena, she would have to be more vocal on matters of state in order to convince voters and her members of her own party to give her a shot at the Oval Office. But then again, I suppose all the proposed domestic and international policies will only make an appearance if she's actually considering a run at it.

I wouldn't vote for her now (and can't anyway since I'm Canadian) but if I was an American I'd examine her platform in great detail before coming to a decision. All politicians make promises they can't keep so it's doubly important to pick their statements apart, study what they "plan" on doing for us once in office and perform a feasibility analysis to see if the promises are actually workable or just a whole lot of hot air. It takes time and interest to be sure, but I'm not the sort to vote blindly for anyone on the account that they "seem nice" or have "grand plans for the country."

[ChinaLama]

In 2000, I would rather have voted for Hilary for President than Hilary for Senator. I think it's hypocritical that in this country, where non-native born citizens are not allowed to run for Pres. or VP, that someone who never LIVED in New York could run for our Senator.

[BeTheReds]

Hell no. She is a lying bitch with no morals.

Way to advance a woman's position in society. A woman president.

But what did it take to get there? Sticking by your husband who you KNEW was fucking some other girl, then lying about it.

I would not vote for her. I'd sooner vote for Jesse Ventura.

I say Powell for President. He's the man!

[Emperor_Mike]

Hmmm...Colin Powell...

I'm ambivalent on the matter. He used to show restraint in the months prior to the Iraq War, but now I'm not so sure. Perhaps he was strong-armed into taking the hawkish position he now occupies? Hard to say. As far as Powell for President is concerned, I would think...

Definite maybe.

But he really should've either distanced himself away from the Administration or resigned if he truly was dedicated to a diplomatic solution to Iraq. If he decides to run he would have a lot of kissing up to do both in terms of general public opinion and winning over enough Republicans to secure a nomination.

In terms of Republicans, I also wouldn't mind too much if John McCain was in the running again. He's a Moderate by many accounts and his platform was so-so during the prelims a few years ago. Someone correct me if I'm wrong to think that McCain has a somewhat positive image surrounding him.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by AzNBuffGrL@Apr 21 2003, 02:45 PM
Anything seems better than Bush.

And it would be so impowering to women to have a man under Hilitary's desk when she's on the phone with Russia. :dance:
i wanna be that man

then i can say yuppers i gave cunnilingus to the president

plus of course i could write a book and rake in major dough...i'm an excellent writer

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

I'd be Hillary Clinton's sex toy. Sign me up. I'll live under the desk.

(fans self)

[anne]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Apr 21 2003, 02:37 PM
who do you think would get into the office first? a male minority, a white female, or a female minority?
I think it could be either a male minority or a white female...however, I am leaning more towards white female.

[FACKU]

I predict 2008 will be the year of the female candidates... We are looking at:
- Of course Hillary Clinton, but she wont win
- Diane Feinstein, may have a chance
- Barbara Boxer, may be a bit on the liberal side but she is a great candidate
- Nancy Pelosi, first woman to be a leader on both sides of the aisle... she is building strong momentum toward 2008, some will say she is way too liberal
- Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, both are considered moderate republicans, can somebody from Maine be elected? that is a huge question mark

Condy Rice? I will bet you $100 that she will never be elected president... Same with Madeline Albright but for different reasons... now can anybody tell me why Albright can never be elected?

In terms of Asian candidate, our best hope will be with Gary Locke, did anybody see his rebuttal speech after the state of the union this year... Even my friend who doesnt know anything about politics asked, "who's this eloquent asian man?"

2004 arena is closing quickly, from the democrats, I expect either John Kerry or John Edwards to go up against Bush. I like John Edwards' chance a little better because:
- He has the boyish charm like bush. Also a very good looking family man.
- He's from North Calorina so he can get the southern votes
- He's a moderate so his opponent can't label him liberal
- He has built somewhat a campaign chest
Against him:
- He is a lawyer especially the type of law he specializes in, you can forget about tort reform
- He still lacks name recognition
How he can improve:
- He needs a very strong running mate... He should stay away from a liberal running mate because the timing will be wrong for that. He should probably select John Kerry, Tom Harkin or Bob Graham.

What do you guys think?

[Emperor_Mike]

Hmmm. This John Edwards fellow sounds like he'd make a good candidate. Has he done or said anything notable to date? And any hints of what his running platform may entail?

[FACKU]

You can check it out yourself at his website: http://www.johnedwards.com/key_issues.asp

He sounds like an alright kinda guy...

[ChinaLama]

FACKU, what about Libby Dole as a 2008 woman candidate?

[FACKU]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Apr 21 2003, 09:23 PM
FACKU, what about Libby Dole as a 2008 woman candidate?
Good one... almost forgot about her... Because she is a junior senator in her first year, its hard to say where she is heading... She has a good chance... The only accomplished she has had so far this year is well... a legislation to award congressional gold medal to Tony Blair...

[Emperor_Mike]

Libby Dole's not bad. But I'm only saying that because I find her husband tremendously entertaining. :D

Actually, she really isn't a bad choice for a candidate (as far as Republicans go.) If I was American then I would give serious consideration to people like Libby Dole or John McCain if there was no strong Democrat candidate.

But I'm Canadian and I have those damn Liberals to deal with.

[loserbutt]

I DON'T LIKE JOHN EDWARDS

why? because I'm sick of sucking up to the Southern vote that the Dem's will lose to the Repubs anyways (Gore is from Tenessee and he has an odd southern accent and still didn't win a southern state.

secondly, he's an ambulance chaser, plain and simple, who got rich by suing doctors.

third, he bought his senate seat, literally bought, his senate seat-he didn't even vote until he was 36.

I like Kerry and Dean the most. they ought to run together, if not that one should get wesley clark as vp.

on a side note, I've never heard of an azn last name "Locke"

perhaps thats why this azn was so successful?

[deez nuts]

she's a better choice than the other names that were tossed around i.e. al sharpton, jesse jackson and joe lieberman.

given those three guys, i'll vote for bush again.

[FACKU]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Apr 22 2003, 07:43 AM
I DON'T LIKE JOHN EDWARDS

why? because I'm sick of sucking up to the Southern vote that the Dem's will lose to the Repubs anyways (Gore is from Tenessee and he has an odd southern accent and still didn't win a southern state.

secondly, he's an ambulance chaser, plain and simple, who got rich by suing doctors.

third, he bought his senate seat, literally bought, his senate seat-he didn't even vote until he was 36.

I like Kerry and Dean the most. they ought to run together, if not that one should get wesley clark as vp.

on a side note, I've never heard of an azn last name "Locke"

perhaps thats why this azn was so successful?
Any candidates would need to try to win the southern votes to win 2004... I am talking about NC, FL, LA and those swing states that can go either way. The problem with Gore at the time was time he had been uprooted from the South for a very long time...

About the ambulance chaser, that's what I said, it can be a negative

I can argue with the amount of money spent by any candidates to win these days can be considered buying the votes... but you may be right, however do consider accomplishments rather than how he got there and that is still a blur right now... like I said, he doesnt have the name recognition but I dont think Kerry or Dean can win the swing votes

If you dont know Gary Locke, you should learn more about him... I dont live in Washington state, so any of you who live out there can comment on how he's like... You should check this out though: WILL GARY LOCKE BE THE FIRST AA PRESIDENT? (http://goldsea.com/Air/Issues/Locke/locke.html)

btw if you are insinuating that he is not proud of his heritage by changing his name and things like that, then you be wrong... the name is from Lok, a chinese last name and even on his governor site, he is proud to say he is the first AA to become a Governor in the US.

[loserbutt]

I'm not insinuating anything, I find it great that there is an AA in such a high office.

I'm just curious about when his name was changed from Lok to Locke. Sorta like Li and Lee. Regardless, I severely doubt you'll ever see a Kong or Gao in high office.

[FACKU]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Apr 22 2003, 08:37 AM
I'm not insinuating anything, I find it great that there is an AA in such a high office.

I'm just curious about when his name was changed from Lok to Locke. Sorta like Li and Lee. Regardless, I severely doubt you'll ever see a Kong or Gao in high office.
You have wu... David Wu, Congressman from Oregon
or for japanese, Mike Honda, Robert Matsui
or for Korean, there was a Kim i think, he used to be a republican from orange county but got defamed for illegal campaign stuff

Then you have Barbara Lee :lol: from California...

[kimpossible]

David Wu creeps me out. I voted for him only because it was a vote against the other candidate.

[FACKU]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Apr 22 2003, 09:17 AM
David Wu creeps me out. I voted for him only because it was a vote against the other candidate.
Why did you say that? Did he hit on you or try to have sex with you or touch your private parts or what? :lol:

[iris]

I do not vote by party politics, but I would consider Hillary as a contender for the presidential seat. After graduating from Wellesley College in 1969, Hillary Rodham went to Yale Law School. She served as a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund and was also on the congressional Impeachment Inquiry staff in 1974, at the tail end of Richard Nixon's Watergate scandal. When Bill Clinton won the White House in 1992 she became the 43rd First Lady of the United States. In 2000 she moved to New York and became the state's Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate. That November on the same day in which George W. Bush was chosen to replace her husband as president, Hillary Clinton was voted into the Senate, making her the first former First Lady ever elected to national office. The reason I would consider voting for Senator Clinton is because her social policies are more in line with my own. However, as the other candidates are unknown at this moment, it is difficult to declare my intention to vote for her. I prefer to examine the platforms of each candidate.

Personally, though I admire Senator Dole, I do not think I would consider her for the position of leader of our country. Surprisingly, Libby Dole began her path as a democrat. She holds government and law degrees from Harvard, and started her political career with a job in Lyndon Johnson's department of Health, Education and Welfare. She became the first female Secretary of Transportation in 1983 under Ronald Reagan; in 1989, George Bush (the elder) made her Secretary of Labor. From 1991 to 1998 Dole was the head of the American Red Cross. She formed an exploratory committee to run for the presidency in 2000, but withdrew from the race on 20 October 1999. In 2002 she won the senate seat of retiring North Carolina senator Jesse Helms. Despite her impressive credentials, Senator Dole has very conservative views on certain social policies with which I do not agree. She has at times violated the freedom of speech and the civil rights of minorities.

Olympia J. Snowe is an interesting choice and her years in the D.C. game could aid her on her way to the top. However, Senator Snowe has expressed no interest in running for presidency and it is doubtful she ever would.

This is a great site to know your representatives: Political Stances of Political Figures (http://www.issues2000.org)

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by FACKU@Apr 22 2003, 09:47 AM
Why did you say that? Did he hit on you or try to have sex with you or touch your private parts or what? :lol:
He always mails out this hush-hush Asian American rights bullshit pamphlet to anyone with an Asian name but never seems to talk about it publicly. I know why he won't say it publicly - his constituency is white, I just don't see why he goes through the motions of trying to secure my vote because my name is Chinese. Maybe touching my private parts would be a better way to try to get me to vote for him. At least I'd get something out of it. Yeah right, like I'd let freaky old dude touch me.

Plus he just creeps me out. Dunno why. It's completely judgmental. :D

[loserbutt]

HH, you've extolled Edwards before. Why? have you seen him in person?

I remember when I first saw Kerry he was on O'Reilly and he gave a pretty good speech I thought for alternative energies.

anyways....

just don't vote for Nader '04 :(

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Apr 22 2003, 06:15 PM
HH, you've extolled Edwards before. Why? have you seen him in person?

Oh you're shit out of luck, son. I had a glass of wine with dinner. Ain't a serious thought in my head. Take a raincheck?