PETA

[kangal]

I don't know if this has been posted, but I just wanted to see the general feel for this org. I have nothing against animal welfare and prevention of cruetly, but I don't support animal rights that override human rights.

from PETA

"Animal rights means that animals, like humans, have interests that cannot be sacrificed or traded away just because it might benefit others. However, the rights position does not hold that rights are absolute; an animal’s rights, just like those of humans, must be limited, and rights can certainly conflict."

Sure, I agree, but I think that human rights should override animal rights any day of the week. If you go by way of religion (Christian at least), animals were made for usage after we sinned. If you go by science, evolution shows that the dominant rises to the top and with the food chain and etc. Natural law is eat or be eaten. I just can't get over the idea that animals have rights and should be treated with respect and equality, but then PETA turns around and say we should protect them because they don't know better. This rant is a bit incoherant as I was turned off by the notion that the Holocaust is the same as me eating some fried chicken. Sure, some things like fur may be unneccesary, but I think food and experimentation are essential in my opinion.

[VV o n g B a]

yeah, so peta ppl are nuts. the no-experimentation stuff is ridiculous. but this, like lots of other issues, is true up only to a point. the videos they have of farmers using sledge hammers and stuff on pigs shows that ppl do mean stuff to animals just for fun. there's no need for that. even hunters don't do that. they go for kills as painless as possible and some feel guilt if they shoot an animal incorrectly and it has to suffer for a long time before it dies.

[Elizabeth A.]

I strongly dislike some of their advertising campaigns. PETA often runs adverts that objectify women; a jingoistic, sexist campaign to sell their agenda. It's sick.

You can read more about it here

http://www.about-face.org/yv/

[rakovlam]

Latest campaign from PETA; compare killing chickens to the Holocaust (in detail)

Nobel Prize-winning author Isaac Bashevis Singer first noted the disturbing similarity between the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust and that of animals raised for food when he noticed that the techniques of mass slaughter developed for use on animals had also been used on human beings. In several of his stories, he draws an analogy between the slaughter of animals and the slaughter of Jews at the hands of Nazis. Having realized that all oppression stems from the same branch, Singer became a vegetarian. He understood that the quality of mercy is not—must not be—limited and that people cannot talk about peace with their mouths full of the victims of violence link (http://www.masskilling.com/)

That makes me hankering for wings... taken off violently.

For more crazy shit from enviromentalists, just holler.

[kangal]

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@Feb 28 2003, 03:21 PM
yeah, so peta ppl are nuts. the no-experimentation stuff is ridiculous. but this, like lots of other issues, is true up only to a point. the videos they have of farmers using sledge hammers and stuff on pigs shows that ppl do mean stuff to animals just for fun. there's no need for that. even hunters don't do that. they go for kills as painless as possible and some feel guilt if they shoot an animal incorrectly and it has to suffer for a long time before it dies.
i agree, i'm for animal welfare, which is treating the animals as humanely as possible while still advancing the needs for humanity....what i dont like is total eradication of animal usage for humans......

[teaz0r]

i only think animals are good when they're dead and on a plate.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by pipSy@Feb 28 2003, 04:41 PM
i only think animals are good when they're dead and on a plate.
well some are good for pulling carts and laying eggs too. don't marginalise minority animals! :D

[teaz0r]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 1 2003, 04:51 AM
well some are good for pulling carts and laying eggs too. don't marginalise minority animals! :D
ah. and some are good to use for clothing.
leaving you oh so warm in the winter, yet being
oh so fashionable.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by pipSy@Feb 28 2003, 04:55 PM
ah. and some are good to use for clothing.
leaving you oh so warm in the winter, yet being
oh so fashionable.
don't forget that some have tusks that can be made into clever sculptures to be put on bookshelves and such, and others have fins that make very tasty and nutritious soup. animals are useful like that.

[teaz0r]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 1 2003, 05:01 AM

don't forget that some have tusks that can be made into clever sculptures to be put on bookshelves and such, and others have fins that make very tasty and nutritious soup. animals are useful like that.
i've always fancied ivory keyboards. it gives a nice gleam.
soup! hah! dead and in a bowl also works too.

[applehead]

pip i thought you told me you don't wear fur anymore.
you lie to me...

[kangal]

so, is this sarcasm or are people actually not harcore supportive of peta?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kangal@Feb 28 2003, 05:14 PM
so, is this sarcasm or are people actually not harcore supportive of peta?
pass the boshin tang

[yoMAMA]

As a devout TREEHUGGER, I'll have to beg to differ.

We need to treat animal with kindness, stop exploiting them, and preserving their habitats.

I'm a supporter of Greenpeace and Sierra Club as well.

[ren28]

I think PETA is ridiculous. Chickens = holocaust? OMFG. Don't they have anything better to do?

This PETA is better... "People Eating Tasty Animals!"

http://mtd.com/tasty/

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by yoMAMA@Feb 28 2003, 05:25 PM
As a devout TREEHUGGER, I'll have to beg to differ.

We need to treat animal with kindness, stop exploiting them, and preserving their habitats.

I'm a supporter of Greenpeace and Sierra Club as well.
do you wear birkenstocks too?

[teaz0r]

Originally posted by applehead@Mar 1 2003, 05:09 AM
pip i thought you told me you don't wear fur anymore.
you lie to me...
i don't! i wear dead cow and alligators and snakes.
oh and dead baby deers =)

[teaz0r]

Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 1 2003, 05:25 AM
As a devout TREEHUGGER, I'll have to beg to differ.


do you have sex with trees too?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by pipSy@Feb 28 2003, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Mar 1 2003, 05:09 AM
pip i thought you told me you don't wear fur anymore.
you lie to me...
i don't! i wear dead cow and alligators and snakes.
oh and dead baby deers =)
deer tail is a medicinal ingredient in traditional chinese medicine.
animals are useful like that.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by pipSy@Feb 28 2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 1 2003, 05:25 AM
As a devout TREEHUGGER, I'll have to beg to differ.


do you have sex with trees too?
talk about chafing

[ism]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 28 2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by pipSy@Feb 28 2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 1 2003, 05:25 AM
As a devout TREEHUGGER, I'll have to beg to differ.


do you have sex with trees too?
talk about chafing
Lube is the secret to all things sexual.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by ism@Feb 28 2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 28 2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by pipSy@Feb 28 2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 1 2003, 05:25 AM
As a devout TREEHUGGER, I'll have to beg to differ.


do you have sex with trees too?
talk about chafing
Lube is the secret to all things sexual.
i don't need lube

[yoMAMA]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 28 2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by ism@Feb 28 2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 28 2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by pipSy@Feb 28 2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 1 2003, 05:25 AM
As a devout TREEHUGGER, I'll have to beg to differ.


do you have sex with trees too?
talk about chafing
Lube is the secret to all things sexual.
i don't need lube
Nope, don't have sex with them.

Heck, I don't even hug them.

I guess it's just what us environmentalist folks are called :rolleyes:

[snuffles]

Originally posted by yoMAMA@Feb 28 2003, 04:11 PM
Nope, don't have sex with them.

Heck, I don't even hug them.

I guess it's just what us environmentalist folks are called  :rolleyes:

But do you think there's a difference between caring about the environment such that you want to protect it and preserve it for future generations.... versus caring about the environment SO much that you don't want anyone to harm the environment in ANY way from doing ANYTHING (thinking things like... driving a car that runs on gasoline would make a tree hugger get angry...)?? When i think "tree hugger", i think the latter type... and i guess ditto with PETA -- extreme animal rights. Maybe its just a stereotype that i have in my head, but i associate PETA and tree huggers as extreme "rights" groups -- whether that's animal rights or environmental-rights -- to a point where they'll put those rights on par with human "rights"... and i think they're going a bit overboard.

[yoMAMA]

Originally posted by snuffles@Feb 28 2003, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Feb 28 2003, 04:11 PM
Nope, don't have sex with them.

Heck, I don't even hug them.

I guess it's just what us environmentalist folks are called :rolleyes:

But do you think there's a difference between caring about the environment such that you want to protect it and preserve it for future generations.... versus caring about the environment SO much that you don't want anyone to harm the environment in ANY way from doing ANYTHING (thinking things like... driving a car that runs on gasoline would make a tree hugger get angry...)?? When i think "tree hugger", i think the latter type... and i guess ditto with PETA -- extreme animal rights. Maybe its just a stereotype that i have in my head, but i associate PETA and tree huggers as extreme "rights" groups -- whether that's animal rights or environmental-rights -- to a point where they'll put those rights on par with human "rights"... and i think they're going a bit overboard.
Now I think about it, yeah, that's description fits me perfectly.

Nature is something to be loved, to be admired, and to be preserved.

Now what's the purpose of those ridiculously gigantic 'off road' vehicles again?

And yes, I think ANWAR, Amazon, Siberian Tigers, Lynx and a bunch of other wild lifes and rainforest must be protected, and be marked off for any drilling/'exploring' etc....

I :luv: MOTHER EARTH! :)

[applehead]

Originally posted by snuffles@Feb 28 2003, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Feb 28 2003, 04:11 PM
Nope, don't have sex with them.

Heck, I don't even hug them.

I guess it's just what us environmentalist folks are called :rolleyes:

But do you think there's a difference between caring about the environment such that you want to protect it and preserve it for future generations.... versus caring about the environment SO much that you don't want anyone to harm the environment in ANY way from doing ANYTHING (thinking things like... driving a car that runs on gasoline would make a tree hugger get angry...)?? When i think "tree hugger", i think the latter type... and i guess ditto with PETA -- extreme animal rights. Maybe its just a stereotype that i have in my head, but i associate PETA and tree huggers as extreme "rights" groups -- whether that's animal rights or environmental-rights -- to a point where they'll put those rights on par with human "rights"... and i think they're going a bit overboard.
just seems extreme 'cause most people aren't used to it.
give it time...
every movement goes through ridicule and then acceptance.

[sandra]

but i do like some animals more than some people, though. selfish as it may sound, if i had to choose between the life of my dog or the life of some kid i don't know...see ya, kid.

[ChairmanMah]

who has more rights? a lab chimp or a lab rat?

[ChairmanMah]

it's obviously better to produce chickens for food than hunt them in the wild to extinction.

So does that say that as long as we produce them, then we can do anything w/ them?

or do some animals have more rights than others and shouldn't be produced and killed?

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Mar 1 2003, 01:49 AM

or do some animals have more rights than others and shouldn't be produced and killed?
i would strongly advise against killing chimps cuz...well, watch the original Planet of the Apes movie series. :)

[mr. x]

I dont care about PETA's principals but their methods have crossed the lines.

Activism is supposed to be about equality or better treatment and stuff. But PETA has shown they are willing to tear down what other activists like women's groups or MADD have built. Such as the naked women in cages thing and endorsing beer over milk. PETA is slowly becoming a terrorist group

[applehead]

Originally posted by mr. x@Feb 28 2003, 09:00 PM
Such as the naked women in cages thing and endorsing beer over milk.
yeah.
insteand of naked women, they should've used naked men.
oh and beer. :gross:
wine is so much tastier.

they're so stupid that way.
damn you PETA

[SunWuKong]

yeah what's up with all the naked women that PETA has?

not that i mind...
that's probably the only thing about PETA that i like...

hey i think their marketting campaign is working on me! :D

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 1 2003, 05:33 AM
yeah what's up with all the naked women that PETA has?

not that i mind...
that's probably the only thing about PETA that i like...

hey i think their marketting campaign is working on me! :D
the good-looking ones don't show you everything, so it's really just tantalization. damn you PETA for tempting my lusty youthful eyes! err lusty isn't the best word for this context...

[teaz0r]

i have no problem with using products that have been tested on animals.

[SunWuKong]

i have no problem with using animals that have been tested on products.

[teaz0r]

<3

[Elizabeth A.]

Originally posted by applehead@Mar 1 2003, 12:02 AM
oh and beer. :gross:
wine is so much tastier.


Wine? How tame!

They should have a Bailey's campaign, or even better, Bombay Sapphire martinis!

[teaz0r]

i love gin. i like apple martinis.

[VV o n g B a]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Feb 28 2003, 07:49 PM

So does that say that as long as we produce them, then we can do anything w/ them?


not possible. the reason that there's only a few domesticated animals compared to the vast number of animals on the planet is b/c these animals COULD be domesticated. lots of animals could be kept as pets and have been... but to get a large enough number of them to breed successfully is no easy task. pandas anyone?

[teaz0r]

never eaten a panda.
i've eaten a kangaroo though.

[M3Kamikaze]

Donations of Unwanted Furs Save Lives, Send Pro-Animal Message
Last winter, hundreds of fur coats, hats, blankets, and other fur garments—donated by people who have had a change of heart about fur—were packed up at PETA’s world headquarters and shipped to desperately needy people living in the Barkali Afghan refugee camp, near the border of northern Pakistan. The camp is located in a very remote, hilly area … and deaths resulting from exposure are a fact of life during the bitter cold winter months.

With help from the American Friends Service Committee and from Life for Relief and Development, PETA sent furs to all 850 families struggling to survive at the camp. These coats, rejected by former fur-wearers who can now choose cruelty-free coats, are helping the desperately poor victims of war stay warm while also making a statement against the senseless and painful slaughter of innocent animals. No one who has the luxury of choosing has any business wearing fur, but since we can’t give the animals their lives back, we opted for offering warmth to those with no alternatives and no options—and who might otherwise freeze.
That last part they say that they are helping to make a "statement against the senseless and painful slaughter of innocent animals by giving them to people with no alternatives and no options." That's funny. If I were one of those people in Pakistan and I got a fur coat, I'd probably want to go kill an animal to get myself some fur pants. These people "who might otherwise freeze" have been living there for quite some time without having these donated fur coats. Obviously, they have been able to cope with the coldness. PETA is apparently using this as a marketing technique for its organization. If I wanted to bash PETA, I could write a book about them, but seeing as how I don't care about most of their ridiculous causes, I'm not going to say anything else about them for the time being.

[kangal]

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@Mar 1 2003, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Feb 28 2003, 07:49 PM

So does that say that as long as we produce them, then we can do anything w/ them?


not possible. the reason that there's only a few domesticated animals compared to the vast number of animals on the planet is b/c these animals COULD be domesticated. lots of animals could be kept as pets and have been... but to get a large enough number of them to breed successfully is no easy task. pandas anyone?
yeah....watch jurassic park too....those damn raptors...


the biggest gripe i have still is that they would value a animal life over a human life with no second thoughts.....i just wonder if there are any PETA members on this board so we can get their point of view?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

http://maddox.xmission.com/whales_suck.html

Maddox speaks for me.

[teaz0r]

i wonder if i'd eat whale steak.
i've had shark steak though.
kinda tough. i prefer salmon steak.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by pipSy@Mar 1 2003, 02:42 PM
i wonder if i'd eat whale steak.
i've had shark steak though.
kinda tough. i prefer salmon steak.
i want to try whale sashimi

[teaz0r]

i like that whole fish for your own sashimi thing.
like fish it and eat it right on the boat. except i don't like touching fish scales.

i totally like beef tartare, that raw beew and raw egg dish. that's good.
i like eating raw shrimp and raw crab.

they have this crab salad in thailand, where they take a live blue crab and pour
all this chili on it, and the crab dies because of all the spice. and you just eat
it freshly killed like that.

that's my fave dish.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by pipSy@Mar 1 2003, 02:54 PM
i like that whole fish for your own sashimi thing.
like fish it and eat it right on the boat. except i don't like touching fish scales.

i totally like beef tartare, that raw beew and raw egg dish. that's good.
i like eating raw shrimp and raw crab.

they have this crab salad in thailand, where they take a live blue crab and pour
all this chili on it, and the crab dies because of all the spice. and you just eat
it freshly killed like that.

that's my fave dish.
ooh yeah
korean cuisine also has a raw beef dish
it is excellent

[teaz0r]

yahhhhhh that korean dish rocks! thathat was my first raw beef dish.

oh and i've eaten yak's penis.

[Chris]

You guys are too much sometimes LOL.

[teaz0r]

wo ai ni chrissy pie!

[Chris]

awww *blush* xie xie pipsy

[ism]

Originally posted by applehead@Feb 28 2003, 08:07 PM
just seems extreme 'cause most people aren't used to it.
give it time...
every movement goes through ridicule and then acceptance.
In the case of furries, I hope not.

[applehead]

Originally posted by ism@Mar 1 2003, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Feb 28 2003, 08:07 PM
just seems extreme 'cause most people aren't used to it.
give it time...
every movement goes through ridicule and then acceptance.
In the case of furries, I hope not.
yes. they should be ridiculed forever and ever...

[Commando_turned_MD]

PETA........... :gross:

[teaz0r]

oh i've had crocodile meat too.

the only thing i didn't eat was ostrich eggs.
i dunno i sorta got queasy. it was just SO BIG.
but i've had ostrich jerky and steak. it's good.
supposedly to be healthy.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by pipSy@Mar 2 2003, 04:24 AM
oh i've had crocodile meat too.

the only thing i didn't eat was ostrich eggs.
i dunno i sorta got queasy. it was just SO BIG.
but i've had ostrich jerky and steak. it's good.
supposedly to be healthy.
oooh yeah, i've had ostrich meat. it tasted like beef to me.
and i've also had alligator meat. i wonder how different that is from crocodile meat.

[teaz0r]

crocodile meat tastes like pork. but tougher.
like dried pork.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by pipSy@Mar 2 2003, 02:43 PM
crocodile meat tastes like pork. but tougher.
like dried pork.
i had alligator meat in deep fried nuggets. as i remember it, it tasted like rough chicken.
i've also had larvae of some insect before. don't know what kind of insect they were of, but the larvae were about the size of a finger segment.

[sandra]

any last comments on peta?

[teaz0r]

is peta the peple that spray paint people that wear fur coats?
i think that's totally wrong. i'd get so pissed off if somebody
out of the blue sprayed painted my $4000 coat.

[sandra]

Originally posted by pipSy@Mar 2 2003, 12:38 PM
is peta the peple that spray paint people that wear fur coats?
i think that's totally wrong. i'd get so pissed off if somebody
out of the blue sprayed painted my $4000 coat.
assuming that the animal from which they ripped the fur off of to create your coat was killed in the most cruel manner and for the sole reason of...creating your coat, would you see why the group may be angry?

[teaz0r]

Originally posted by kasia@Mar 3 2003, 03:41 AM

assuming that the animal from which they ripped the fur off of to create your coat was killed in the most cruel manner and for the sole reason of...creating your coat, would you see why the group may be angry?
totally, i saw a video on how they made fur, it was pretty gross.
one reason why i stopped wearing it. but does anger justify those
people that go around spray painting people's personal property?

that's like if a car was made in a sweatshop by little 8 year olds,
it's okay to smash that car?

[sandra]

well, to answer your second question, i think it would depend on the actual treatment of the 8-year-old boys and the level of public outrage. if the boys are severely mistreated and people seem to like these cars so much that they could care less, then i would find less of a problem if one group decides to find all the cars made by the boys and smash them - if it would be the only statement that would capture the attention of the public.

i think...damaging another's personal property is most definitely a crime. but it is odd how killing animals in a cruel manner and many such acts are not crimes. i find it unreasonable to require one to adhere to a legal system that is biased and obviously serves the interests of those on top.

[teaz0r]

Originally posted by kasia@Mar 3 2003, 04:05 AM
i think...damaging another's personal property is most definitely a crime. but it is odd how killing animals in a cruel manner and many such acts are not crimes. i find it unreasonable to require one to adhere to a legal system that is biased and obviously serves the interests of those on top.
totally. i wouldn't bat an eyelash at all if they were just
protesting at the root of the problem. ie. commisioners,
hunters, fur coat factories.

the only beef i have with this whole situation is why go
spray paint somebody's stuff.beit that they're wear cruel
stuff. i'm not an animals right advocate, but if people
want to to like, i dunno, find interests for animals n' stuff,
then by all means, go for it, i just don't think spary paintin
people is right and like you said, damaging personal property
is a crime, i don't agree with it at all.

[kangal]

Originally posted by kasia@Mar 2 2003, 03:05 PM
i think...damaging another's personal property is most definitely a crime. but it is odd how killing animals in a cruel manner and many such acts are not crimes. i find it unreasonable to require one to adhere to a legal system that is biased and obviously serves the interests of those on top.
animal cruelty is a crime, and i think the gov't tries its best to regulate treatment of animals used for research and food without making so that a lb of beef won't be exorbitant....also, i still dont agree that animals have the same rights as humans....so when the interests serve those on top, ie humans, then i think those interests justified....

[sandra]

Originally posted by kangal@Mar 2 2003, 01:17 PM
i think the gov't tries its best to regulate treatment of animals used for research and food without making so that a lb of beef won't be exorbitant
why do you think that?

[deez nuts]

I have a love-hate relationship with Goober da dog. That damn furball requires mad attention.

I like my warm comfy North Face down jacket.

As for PETA, they do their thing. I do my thing. Their causes and activism don't really bug me and doesn't affect my life. I do admire their passion, even though some of their antics seem kinda outlandish for me. There should be respect for all living things. Except for that damn cactus. Yo tap that agave and hit me up with some tequila, senor! DOWN WITH SPIKEY!