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sandra
01-28-2003, 02:14 PM
Eyelid Surgery
Written by: Jean Lee Scheidnes for cns.jrn.columbia.edu

"The power of the American media and American culture stretches all over the globe, and can cause people to devalue their own culture."-- David Mura, author and critic

NEW YORK--Asian Americans are identified by their eyes more than any other feature. So, for this community, cosmetic surgery on the eyelids goes to the heart of identity politics and ethnic pride. Eyelid surgery is the country's third most popular cosmetic surgery, surpassed only by liposuction and breast augmentation, according to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons.

The society's board-certified plastic surgeons performed 120,001 cosmetic eyelid surgeries in 1998, twice the number performed in 1992. Cosmetic eyelid surgery, blepharoplasty, is usually meant to reduce signs of aging, but among younger Asian Americans--especially those of Korean, Japanese, and Chinese descent--one method of blepharoplasty has gained significant popularity.

The majority of Asians have upper eyelids that appear to be taut from brow to lashes, rather than segmented by a crease. Asian blepharoplasty patients often request the creation of an upper eyelid crease, or "double eyelid," which uncovers a portion of the natural eye contours, making the eyes slightly larger, rounder and more amenable to makeup, as well as exposing more of the eyelashes.

Since non-Asians are typically born with double eyelids, this procedure has been construed as "Westernization," implying that Asians desire a more Caucasian appearance. But many in the Asian American community argue that the point isn't to look Western, but to look more like other Asians, many of whom have double eyelids naturally.

The notion of Westernization has sparked some criticism in the Asian American community. Authors Maxine Hong Kingston and David Mura are uncomfortable with the popularity of the surgery, and believe that altering eyes, features by which Asians are so easily identified, is an attempt to conceal or deny Asian heritage and conform to mainstream American beauty ideals.

"It's evidence of internalized racism," says Mura. "It really indicates something about the way in which Asians in America are indoctrinated by white standards of beauty. They feel less beautiful than those who fit the Caucasian standard of beauty." The main reason for that, Mura says, is the low representation of Asians in the media.

"People grow up watching the media, which is where people are beautiful and powerful. You see very few Asian faces. The message is: the way you look is not beautiful, or doesn't count, or doesn't even exist," he says. He believes the American media also account for much of the surgery's popularity in Asia.

"The power of the American media and American culture stretches all over the globe, and can cause people to devalue their own culture," says Mura.

Asian Americans who disagree with Mura's interpretation often point out that a large percentage of Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese are born with creased eyelids, although they certainly tend to be shaped differently than those of, say, Caucasians. In fact, in some regions, such as in southern China, as many as 70 percent are born with them. In addition, double-eyelid surgery is enormously popular in Asia, and has been considered attractive since well before the infiltration of Western media. Therefore, many argue, Asians seeking double eyelids are simply trying to look like the more attractive members of their own race.

"The desire for double eyelids has taken on a strange idea in the U.S. that Asian women want to look like Caucasians and that they desire [moon-shaped] eyes," says Shi Kagy, editor of AsiaMs, an online Asian beauty magazine (www.AsiaMs.net).

"In truth, Asian women want double eyelid folds that look like natural Asian type folds, and dislike the Caucasian type," she says.

For ten years, Dr. Jeffrey Ahn, Director of Facial Plastic Surgery at Columbia University Medical Center, has performed about 200 Asian blepharoplasties a year. He dispels the idea that his patients have tried to obscure their racial identity.

"I don't get a single patient asking to be 'Westernized,'" he says. "A lot of doctors still call it Westernization of the eyelid, which proves they have little understanding of the Asian patients." He stresses the importance of going to a surgeon who is accustomed to operating on Asian eyelids, because of the fundamental differences in facial anatomy.

"The surgeon should have aesthetic appreciation of the Asian eyelid," Ahn says. "A lot of the Caucasian surgeons think making it more like the Caucasian eyelids makes it more beautiful, and that's where unnaturalness results."

Ahn repeats, "I don't remember any Asian patient requesting to look less Asian."

Dr. John A. McCurdy, Jr., a plastic surgeon in Hawaii and author of the book "Cosmetic Surgery of the Asian Face," has performed thousands of Asian blepharoplasties over the last 20 years. He agrees that patients want to preserve their Asian characteristics--but says that wasn't always the case.

"A lot's changed over the years," McCurdy says. "It used to be that Asian girls, especially immigrant girls, were requesting the Westernization procedure. They wanted to look Caucasian. But now what they're requesting is a procedure to enhance the double eyelid while maintaining the other characteristics of the Asian eye."

In general, the hour-long process of Asian blepharoplasty involves excising a crescent- or tilde-shaped piece of skin out of the eyelid, removing some of the underlying fat, and then stitching the sides back together. There are different methods to accommodate variation in the height and curvature of the desired crease.

The average cost of the surgery in the U.S. is $1,734. During recovery, which takes about a week due to painful swelling and discoloration, the eyes must be treated with topical antibiotics and cannot be washed.

Ji Jeong Han, who had the procedure at age 15 by Ahn, is aware that non-Asians might misunderstand her intentions. "It's like if a white girl got cornrows, people would say she's trying to look black. People always think they are being copied," she says. "Obviously, white people have reason to think people want to look more like them. If you look at movies, you know how Hollywood stars have blond hair and perfect figures and all that."

She insists that she had the surgery primarily to correct her eyelashes and believes most Asians have the surgery for simple aesthetic reasons.

"All my Korean friends had it done just because they wanted bigger eyes," she says. Han, now 18, was encouraged by her grandmother, her mother, and her aunt, all of whom she describes as having naturally large eyes. "Before I got mine done, we used to look at Korean magazines or TV, and all the Korean actresses had big eyes or had had it done. They think it's prettier," she says.

Whatever the reason for the surgery, one thing seems certain: the pressure to conform the physical appearance to an ideal is not exclusive to either Western or Asian culture. And, in any attempt to meet a standard, there's always a risk of losing individuality.

"After I got it done, my parents said it looked nice because it was rounder," Han says, "but on the other hand something special was gone. Uniqueness." In fact, Han says, "I think people look better the way they're born."

sandra
01-28-2003, 02:20 PM
when i first read this article, i thought, "but still, it begs the question. why would we consider asians with double eyelids more beautiful?" but reading further, i realized that certain points made in the article rang true for me. i do prefer asian eyes that have a natural double lid over Caucasian eyes with a natural double lid.

case in point: gong li. her eyes are beautiful. she has double lids. but they look nothing like white eyes.

http://de.lorealparis.ch/star/img/lir1.jpg

SunWuKong
01-28-2003, 02:27 PM
it's the depth of the eye sockets that's the difference.

Napoleon Chynamite
01-28-2003, 03:23 PM
Yuppers, no such thing as bigger or smaller eyes, just more or less covering or padding surrounding the eyeball and Iris.

angel nympho
01-28-2003, 03:36 PM
The only reason i'd have it done is so I could have a place to put some eye shadow. :)

SunWuKong
01-28-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by FrozenPizza@Jan 28 2003, 06:23 PM
Yuppers, no such thing as bigger or smaller eyes, just more or less covering or padding surrounding the eyeball and Iris.
yeah i like less padding around an Iris

AliBabaIncorporated
01-28-2003, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 28 2003, 07:11 PM
yeah i like less padding around an Iris
Iris is padded?

AliBabaIncorporated
01-28-2003, 04:35 PM
hey Kasia do you happen to have the original link for this article?

sandra
01-28-2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 28 2003, 04:35 PM
hey Kasia do you happen to have the original link for this article?
here ya go:Asian Community Has Double Vision on Double Eyelid Surgery (http://www.fashionwindows.com/fashion_review/eyelid_surgery.asp)

edit: i really like looking at gong li's eyes :ph34r: they're pretty :)

Napoleon Chynamite
01-28-2003, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 28 2003, 04:11 PM
yeah i like less padding around an Iris
Dangit I'm so used to capitalizing that word around this place, I guess I just slipped.............. :P

purezero
01-28-2003, 09:37 PM
So what would a person with the eye-lid surgery look like? Like the people in the picture? Or what?

sandra
01-28-2003, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by ti12amisu@Jan 28 2003, 09:37 PM
So what would a person with the eye-lid surgery look like? Like the people in the picture? Or what?
here's a before and after picture:

http://www.ienhance.com/images/PatientPhotosLarge/5670.jpg

AliBabaIncorporated
01-28-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 29 2003, 12:45 AM
here's a before and after picture:

http://www.ienhance.com/images/PatientPhotosLarge/5670.jpg
oh damn that's scary. the girl on the left looks like my cousin's ex ... and the girl on the right looks like his ex's mother. :confused: :confused:

seriously I think it wasn't a good idea on her face.

BeTheReds
01-28-2003, 10:32 PM
I like the one on the left better...

I also agree that people who do the surgery are not trying to be white.

sandra
01-28-2003, 10:35 PM
you know...some people just look better with single eyelids. but they get it just because everyone else is, i guess. or i'm not sure why.

re: eric's comment, i do think that it makes some people look older.

ellsworth81
01-29-2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 28 2003, 02:20 PM
when i first read this article, i thought, "but still, it begs the question. why would we consider asians with double eyelids more beautiful?" but reading further, i realized that certain points made in the article rang true for me. i do prefer asian eyes that have a natural double lid over Caucasian eyes with a natural double lid.

case in point: gong li. her eyes are beautiful. she has double lids. but they look nothing like white eyes.

http://de.lorealparis.ch/star/img/lir1.jpg
wow kasia, that's a hot picture .. where did you get it? most of her pictures are kind of ..... crappy. has she done a lot of magazine features/spreads? hehe, i wonder if we are the only gong li fans here?

ellsworth81
01-29-2003, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 28 2003, 09:45 PM
here's a before and after picture:

http://www.ienhance.com/images/PatientPhotosLarge/5670.jpg
shiet, that's eerie ... i think i prefer the left picture tho

purezero
01-29-2003, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 28 2003, 09:45 PM
here's a before and after picture:

http://www.ienhance.com/images/PatientPhotosLarge/5670.jpg
Wow. That's weird looking... my eyes are kind of like the one on the right... Goodness, I don't even notice when other people have eyes like on the left.

eyespooge
01-30-2003, 01:12 PM
maxine hong kingston and david mura are hardly icons of asian cultural representation.

the only mainstream accepted forays into the media have been whitewashed twinkies or exotified super-orientals.

given the fact that 95% of this country isn't Asian-American, it's perfectly understandable that the american public can't appreciate asian-america.

sandra
01-30-2003, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by eyespooge@Jan 30 2003, 01:12 PM
maxine hong kingston and david mura are hardly icons of asian cultural representation.

the only mainstream accepted forays into the media have been whitewashed twinkies or exotified super-orientals.

given the fact that 95% of this country isn't Asian-American, it's perfectly understandable that the american public can't appreciate asian-america.
well, instead of attacking the sources, let's attack their theory. tell us the flaws you find in this theory that asians get double-eyelid surgery, not to look white, but to to look like other asians with natural double-eyelids.

SunWuKong
01-30-2003, 01:43 PM
i'm a fan of Gong Li.
but when she's not being directed by Zhang Yimou, she's not as great.

eyespooge
01-30-2003, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 30 2003, 01:37 PM
well, instead of attacking the sources, let's attack their theory. tell us the flaws you find in this theory that asians get double-eyelid surgery, not to look white, but to to look like other asians with natural double-eyelids.
I'm not attacking the theory, I'm actually agreeing with the theory that Asians get <i>sangkapul</i> for purposes other than "westernization".

In defense on this theory, I'm pointing out that the original statement:

"The notion of Westernization has sparked some criticism in the Asian American community. Authors Maxine Hong Kingston and David Mura are uncomfortable with the popularity of the surgery, and believe that altering eyes, features by which Asians are so easily identified, is an attempt to conceal or deny Asian heritage and conform to mainstream American beauty ideals."

attempts to validate the aforementioned theory by appealing to authority, that somehow, MHK and DM, due to their status as "Authors in the As-Am community" either:

1) speak for the asian-american community as a whole

or

2) should be listened to more so than the opinion in-and-of-itself since the phrasing suggests that their status lends them more credibility


I'm merely pointing out that neither of those two possibilities are valid supports for the argument. :P

AliBabaIncorporated
01-30-2003, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 30 2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by eyespooge@Jan 30 2003, 01:12 PM
maxine hong kingston and david mura are hardly icons of asian cultural representation.

the only mainstream accepted forays into the media have been whitewashed twinkies or exotified super-orientals.

given the fact that 95% of this country isn't Asian-American, it's perfectly understandable that the american public can't appreciate asian-america.
well, instead of attacking the sources, let's attack their theory. tell us the flaws you find in this theory that asians get double-eyelid surgery, not to look white, but to to look like other asians with natural double-eyelids.
I also found Mura's statements very presumptuous, and I think in this case we can reasonably doubt his credibility as a source ... a guy who can't speak Japanese and whose every living relative is in America, claiming that he has any clue about how Asians in Asia react to American media images. He wouldn't be quoted in a newspaper on this issue if his name were David Morehouse and he was a white guy, but now, I'm probably gonna be hearing from some Asian-American "Hey, Asians get eyelid surgery to look white, see, even David Mura agrees with me ..."

sandra
01-30-2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by eyespooge@Jan 30 2003, 02:14 PM
I'm not attacking the theory, I'm actually agreeing with the theory that Asians get <i>sangkapul</i> for purposes other than "westernization".

In defense on this theory, I'm pointing out that the original statement:

"The notion of Westernization has sparked some criticism in the Asian American community. Authors Maxine Hong Kingston and David Mura are uncomfortable with the popularity of the surgery, and believe that altering eyes, features by which Asians are so easily identified, is an attempt to conceal or deny Asian heritage and conform to mainstream American beauty ideals."

attempts to validate the aforementioned theory by appealing to authority, that somehow, MHK and DM, due to their status as "Authors in the As-Am community" either:

1) speak for the asian-american community as a whole

or

2) should be listened to more so than the opinion in-and-of-itself since the phrasing suggests that their status lends them more credibility


I'm merely pointing out that neither of those two possibilities are valid supports for the argument. :P
good pointing out. i had forgotten who said what.

my next question: are we comfortable with that result? could it be that double eyelided asians are just, on the most part, naturally more attractive, and that this is not the result of westernization? could it also be that beauty is not sociologically defined? there's a study on how newborn babies tend to look at more attractive people for a longer period of time and that, when given a choice between looking at a person who is attractive and a person who is not so attractive, would look at the more attractive person. of course, labelling the person as "attractive" begs the point. still, is it merely a coincidence that the person the baby would choose to look at is also the person that our society would view as more attractive? perhaps we can have a study of babies and individuals with single and double eyelids.

AliBabaIncorporated
01-30-2003, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 30 2003, 06:04 PM
are we comfortable with that result? could it be that double eyelided asians are just, on the most part, naturally more attractive, and that this is not the result of westernization?
uh, I guess I'm a bit confused as to how someone could be uncomfortable with the knowledge that Asians getting eyelid surgery is just for the purpose of looking pretty, as opposed to looking white, unless it's over the issue of getting any kind of plastic surgery at all in the first place, or unless that someone has a vested interested in asserting that Asians care about looking like whites.

sandra
01-30-2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 03:14 PM
uh, I guess I'm a bit confused as to how someone could be uncomfortable with the knowledge that Asians getting eyelid surgery is just for the purpose of looking pretty, as opposed to looking white, unless it's over the issue of getting any kind of plastic surgery at all in the first place, or unless that someone has a vested interested in asserting that Asians care about looking like whites.
it's actually that i feel uncomfortable saying that beauty really transcends cultures...that it's not a sociological construction. i'm not sure how to articulate this...if beauty is a social construction, for example, then those people who currently are not labelled as "attractive" can think, "well, it's not real anyway - it's just a social construction." but if beauty isn't just something that we made up, if it's real, then ugly people can't use that excuse. they're not just ugly by certain cultural standards; they're just ugly period. so how sad is that?

SunWuKong
01-30-2003, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 30 2003, 06:24 PM
it's actually that i feel uncomfortable saying that beauty really transcends cultures...that it's not a sociological construction. i'm not sure how to articulate this...if beauty is a social construction, for example, then those people who currently are not labelled as "attractive" can think, "well, it's not real anyway - it's just a social construction." but if beauty isn't just something that we made up, if it's real, then ugly people can't use that excuse. they're not just ugly by certain cultural standards; they're just ugly period. so how sad is that?
kasie... you're thinking about this way too deeply than is necessary.

sandra
01-30-2003, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 30 2003, 03:31 PM
kasie... you're thinking about this way too deeply than is necessary.
:) he asked, i answered. either way, i won't be that comfortable with the fact that people are judged by their physical appearance.

eyespooge
01-31-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 30 2003, 03:36 PM
:) he asked, i answered. either way, i won't be that comfortable with the fact that people are judged by their physical appearance.
beauty is part social construct, and part inherent.

there was a time (i think) article a few years back on the quantitative (if any) nature of beauty that had some interesting findings. For example, they took a number of pictures of people who weren't particularly good looking, but spanned a widely disparate set of ethnicities and looks, and morphed them together (presumably with whatever standard morphing algorith that exists, they they didn't morph and then retouch), and the result was someone that was considering pretty universally attractive.

in light of similar studies about that, as well as the ancient heuristics that artists have used (e.g., the distance between the eyes is about the length of the nose, etc etc), i think that a lot of standards of beauty are also biologically based:

people with good skin, healthy looking hair, and good muscle tone would probably be prime candidates for being physically healthy and capable of caring for/nurturing their mates and offspring.

eh, this discussion is pretty off-topic now, but i suppsoe you could start another thread as to the nature of beauty...

imnsho, there's a lot of things that asian girls could/should change besides their eyelids. as a certain canadian once said, rebuilding their vocal chords to remove that inherent grating asian-girl whininess would probably be a lot more constructive than soem stupid eyelid surgery. ^_^

sandra
02-05-2003, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by tazadar@Feb 5 2003, 09:10 AM
Kasie,

I am uncomfortable with the thinking that if an Asian with mono eyelid surgerical change to double eyelid are trying to be Caucasian. Don't most Asians have double eyelibs? If I was to deepen my eye sockets, it would be more so of me trying to be Caucasoid.
haha. the article is saying that asians get double-eyelid surgery to look like other asians, not caucasians, with double-eyelids.

but you know, i'm not sure if most asians have double eyelids. not including the ones who have had surgery, i would say probably not.

beachgerl
02-05-2003, 04:53 PM
Strange, I've met lots of Azn with double eyelids without eyelid surgery. They were born that way. Me, on the other hand, have monolid eyes. And I :luv: them and wouldn't never have a surgery on them. I probably prefer non-phsyical mods over physical mods (eyelid or any kind of plastic surgery) and the only closest body mod I have is a tattoo. :P

sandra
02-05-2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by beachgerl@Feb 5 2003, 04:53 PM
Strange, I've met lots of Azn with double eyelids without eyelid surgery. They were born that way. Me, on the other hand, have monolid eyes. And I :luv: them and wouldn't never have a surgery on them. I probably prefer non-phsyical mods over physical mods (eyelid or any kind of plastic surgery) and the only closest body mod I have is a tattoo. :P
i agree. single eyelids can be beautiful. and for those who do get surgery, my pov is this: to change yourself because of societal dictates would only prove that you're not a confident person inside - which would make you less attractive, less sexy.