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noname
01-20-2003, 12:27 AM
What are your recommendations for places to check out in San Francisco, San Diego, and Los Angeles?
I'll have a little over a week total for them in May. It's gonna be tough fitting that into the schedule of visiting people and clubs, but I'll see what I can do. I'm especially interested about the more decadent places. :)

angel nympho
01-20-2003, 09:44 AM
One week total to go from Frisco, SD, and LA? That sucks.

noname
01-21-2003, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Jan 20 2003, 01:44 PM
One week total to go from Frisco, SD, and LA?  That sucks.
Yeah I know.
Having only 2 weeks of vacation each year (with no carry-over) sucks.
Maybe I could use it all here, but I might want to use the other week to go elsewhere.

I might be back at the end of the year though.

As for this time, I'll probably spend a total of about 10 days. I do have to save one day for my friend's wedding.

I don't mind speed-touring. I did that in London, and I believe I saw all the main tourist attractions in one day.

sandra
01-21-2003, 12:27 AM
hotel del coronado in s.d. it's absolutely beautiful there. but i wouldn't go stay there alone, though :ph34r: i slept with the lights on every night...

<img src='http://www.hoteldel.com/takeaphototour/images/signature2.jpg[/img]

http://www.hoteldel.com/takeaphototour/images/guest-view2.jpg

Considered one of America's most beautiful resorts, The Del is situated along 31 oceanfront acres on the
charming Island of Coronado in San Diego. Marilyn Monroe and other celebrities often stayed there. ...some have even died there.

read on:

The year is 1885. We find ourselves in San Diego, California. A wild, rough city back in those days. Murders, suicides, and death seem to be the mainstream of the city. A battle had already taken place when some of the city leaders decided to move the main portion of the city from Old Town to New Town San Diego. Water supplies are not plentiful. Trains are not in yet, connecting the more northern city of Los Angeles with the far southern city of San Diego. But amidst it all one man has a dream that he is seeing become a reality. The man is E. B. Babcock. His dream is to build the most luxurious hotel in the west. Mr. Babcock sets out to fulfill his dream by purchasing, for $110,000, the island of Coronado and North Island. He intends to build there. To raise money to help pay for the building he will end up selling parcels of land to private citizens on the islands.

The cost to build this 399 room hotel is over one million dollars. He has no real labor force, as a result, he draws upon the immigrants from China who will work for practically nothing. He begins his task. By 1891 the hotel is not only open, as a show place of the west, but visited for the first time by a U.S. president, Benjamin Harrison. Hotel del Coronado is now a part of the entire country's history, not merely California's.

Proudly it sits upon the coast of the clear, beautiful bay of San Diego. A bridge now joining the city to her. A wonderful place for recreation and relaxation. The Hotel is grand, not merely in structure but also in the manner of treatment of its guests. It is known for this. It was also known for being removed from the woes of the city of San Diego. For back in the 1890s there were many woes. Murders, suicides, gambling houses, drunken brawls, and more plagued the city. Hotel del Coronado promised a peaceful time, removed from these afflictions of the city. So when a young woman, aged 24, by the name of Kate Morgan aka Lottie A. Bernard was found dead on the steps leading to the beach, it was ruled suicide immediately. Yet does a suicide victim haunt? If so, why would she? Well we will be traveling down south to the pearl of pacific hotels to visit and try to discover why she haunts and who is actually haunting.

Rumors, soon after Kate Morgan's death, flew about the hotel among its staff that the room she had stayed in was haunted. The year is 1892 and no one is willing to come forth and testify to what they experienced.

Babcock, though he denied any belief in ghosts, would not rent out the room unless the entire hotel was filled. If the room was not haunted, why then did he take this action. Even after Ms. Morgan had died, the room was not rented out for one month. Of course no records indicate as to why.

The story: Kate Morgan traveled with her husband Thomas under the name of Lottie A. Bernard. Thomas used the name Dr. M.C. Anderson. Their design was one of deception. Kate would play Thomas's sister, getting young men interested in her. When they wished to court her she would tell them they had to have her brother's approval, Dr. M.C. Anderson. In order to secure his approval they would soon discover they had to play poker with him, since that was his main past time. Once the young suitor was fleeced good and proper, Lottie (Kate) would drop him and move on to the next young suitor. Thus Kate and husband Thomas managed to make a decent enough living from this scam. They used alias' because of their family names, both coming from wealthy families who did not wish to be marked by their con game.

Kate Morgan was a 'natural beauty,' according to the coroner's report and remained beautiful in death as in life. A small, petite woman of 24 years who soon found herself wanting more than roaming the train ways and stage-coach paths to earn money. She told Thomas she wanted a house and a family to go with it. Thomas was not amenable to such a suggestion but finally gave into her desires and bought a house in Los Angeles. He then would go out on the road, looking for high stake poker games, to earn a living.

When he found no money in this, Kate would work as a housekeeper in Los Angeles, under another alias, to earn the money necessary for them to live. Thomas started traveling more and more and finally Kate joined him back on circuit. But when she discovered she was pregnant she remained behind. Thomas made a tour of the west, from Iowa back to Los Angeles, picking up his wife in route on his way to San Diego. It on the train ride from L.A. to S.D. that he learned of her pregnancy. They quarreled, he left the train in Orange, CA and Kate went on to stay at the Hotel del Coronado.

While she was there, she must have taken a huge amount of quinine, used to abort a child back in those days, for she suffered all the symptoms of quinine poisoning. The large bottle of quinine was found in her room after her death.

Reports state that she went into San Diego, across the bay by the Coronado Ferry, purchased a .44 caliber pistol and some shells. She also went to at least one hotel to inquire about the registration of Dr. M.C. Anderson. The next morning she was found dead on the steps leading to the beach just off the veranda of the Hotel del Coronado. A small bullet wound to her right temple, no exit wound, blood on her hand and the gun, which lay two steps below her hand. Did she kill herself? Is she the one who haunts? If so, why does she do so? We hope to find some answers in the coming week and will report them here in Eeeek-NET for your reading pleasure. We are certainly looking forward to this investigation and hope to communicate with Kate Morgan or who ever it is that haunts Hotel del Coronado.

Snap! Then the grind of the motor pushes the single picture out of the Polaroid camera. Snap! again, and again the motor pushes another picture out of the camera. And then we wait. Hoping above all that these pictures will develop right before our very eyes to reveal something, anything, to confirm the stories told of this room. The room, 3312, at the Hotel del Coronado.

As I told you before, we made a trip down south a week ago to investigate the "haunted" room of the Hotel del Coronado. We were greeted with a smile by the gentlemen of the valet parking as well as the reservation clerk who checked us into our room. We were treated with the utmost courtesy. The front lobby reeks with the history of this grand hotel. The wood is, without mistake, of the finest quality and the original material placed in the hotel when it was built back in 1889 to 1891. The old elevator reminds one of the Gay 90s period. The building creeks and lists slightly, from the wear and tear over the years, but still commands a stately presence on Coronado island. Its high, catwalk like dome, reaches out towards the night sky, lit by the lights that cascade down its roof. Standing clearly as a beacon to all those within several miles of the island. The hotel is magnificent, perhaps not as much as it was back in the 1890s but almost equally as much.

We make a call to the reservations office, asking to speak with Susan. Susan is the only the reason we are here and were guaranteed this room. This room, the most requested room of the hotel, is kept rather busy by guests seeking a paranormal experience. Susan is invited to the room. We are delighted to meet with her. She is friendly, open, quite charming and extremely helpful.

Susan tells us of her experience in this haunted room. It seems, one other time when she was helpful to others checking into this room, she was invited to come and meet the people. When she arrived they chatted briefly about different things, including the ghost in the room. Suddenly the lady Susan was visiting realized her large emerald ring was missing. Susan remembered seeing the ring on the lady's finger when she shook hands with her. The lady, gentleman, and Susan spent several minutes searching the room for the ring; it was not to be found. Susan called security for assistance. They also joined in on the search, still the ring was not to be found. Security filed a report, then left. Susan felt horrible. She was convinced the guests would think she had taken the ring somehow. The lady excused herself and went into the bathroom, coming back out within a couple of seconds. There in her hand was the ring. She had found it on the sink. She had not been in the bathroom since Susan arrived and since Susan had seen the ring on her finger, the only explanation was Kate, the ghost of room 3312, had borrowed the ring for a short time.

Susan, greatly relieved, left, telling the guests to please call her if they needed anything. She told them to just dial 5. She left the room and returned to the reservations office. Shortly after getting back to her office, she remembered the number for reservations had just been changed and 5 was no longer for reservations but for the front desk. Before she had the chance to call the guests to tell them of the new number the phone rang. It was the guests. Susan asked how they reached her, the woman said, why we dialed 5 just as you said to.

This is just one story. There are so many, many more. We have other people we still need to talk with about their experiences in this room. We also have six video tapes, 6 hours each, to examine, 9 cassette tapes, 90 minutes each, to review, and 72 infrared photos to examine. But the Polaroids did show us something. On several of them light or energy spots appeared on the pictures. One that had a form of a woman an another that shows the face of petite, dark haired lady.

kayla
01-21-2003, 02:09 AM
I would suggest the theme parks in LA. um..cuz I'm cheesy and I like theme parks. Disneyland and Six Flags. I think Disneyland is in the Anaheim area and Six Flags would be near Northridge. (?)

contra_diction
01-21-2003, 02:20 AM
oh ye, they have sixflags marine world in Vallejo by SF. there's also Great America up around there somewhere.

thaite
01-21-2003, 10:39 AM
Venice Beach.

Chris
01-21-2003, 11:45 AM
I am good of giving 24-36 hours tour of San Francisco. I take you to all the essentials of what make San Francisco, San Francisco.

I get you a list of what you should see.

Faithless
07-18-2003, 01:54 PM
Pac Bell Park.&nbsp; Haven't been, even though I live close by, but people say it is cool, and enjoyable for all ages.

angel nympho
07-18-2003, 02:18 PM
In-n-Out Burger.

537
07-18-2003, 02:38 PM
If you can spare 10-12 hours on your trip in between SF and LA, rent a car and drive the entire way along Pacific Coast Highway.&nbsp; On a good day it's pretty damn soul-healing.

SunWuKong
07-18-2003, 03:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Jan 21 2003, 04:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Jan 21 2003, 04:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hotel del coronado in s.d. it's absolutely beautiful there.&nbsp; but i wouldn't go stay there alone, though&nbsp; :ph34r:&nbsp; i slept with the lights on every night... [/b][/quote]
the food at the buffet there is expensive.&nbsp; $40 a pop.

Faithless
07-18-2003, 03:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-537+Jul 18 2003, 01:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (537 @ Jul 18 2003, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you can spare 10-12 hours on your trip in between SF and LA, rent a car and drive the entire way along Pacific Coast Highway. On a good day it's pretty damn soul-healing. [/b][/quote]
It only takes 10-12 hours?&nbsp; What if you stop and take pictures along the way.&nbsp; B)

537
07-18-2003, 03:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-ChottoMatte+Jul 18 2003, 02:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Jul 18 2003, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It only takes 10-12 hours? What if you stop and take pictures along the way. B) [/b][/quote]
I factored that into the total time it would take, good sir.&nbsp; Only takes about 8 hours driving time (by highway, it only takes 5 or 6).&nbsp; With pictures and stops and what not you're looking at a nice leisurely paced drive.&nbsp; Relaxation epitomized.

moschikat
07-18-2003, 04:51 PM
3rd and Promenade on the weekends . . . Santa Monica . . .*ooh*

oh so touristy, but oh so fun! :)

ism
07-18-2003, 07:30 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-angel nympho+Jul 18 2003, 05:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Jul 18 2003, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In-n-Out Burger. [/b][/quote]
Expand, damn you! Expand to the northeast! You and your religious Jebus messages too!

SF - SF Museum of Modern Art is nice, and the Sony Metreon is across the street

LA - Watts Towers.&nbsp; Just kidding.&nbsp; LA Museum of Contemporary Art is nice, and it's in Japantown.&nbsp; There's a Japanese museum next door.&nbsp; There's the La Brea Tar Pits, smelly and educational, donno if you dig that sorta thing.&nbsp; Pasadena is nice and they have events frequently, so check the events calendar and lots of shops and restaurants there, as well as the Laemmle, an arthouse theater with stadium seating.

lethal
07-18-2003, 09:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-moschikat+Jul 18 2003, 07:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moschikat @ Jul 18 2003, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3rd and Promenade on the weekends . . . Santa Monica . . .*ooh*

oh so touristy, but oh so fun! :) [/b][/quote]
Just watch out for old men driving 60mph in a Buick through a pedestrian area there.

And a second to ism's request for expansion of In-N-Out to the Northeast.

If they opened one in Manhattan, there would seriously be 5 hour lines to get burgers.

sandra
07-18-2003, 10:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Jul 18 2003, 02:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Jul 18 2003, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the food at the buffet there is expensive. $40 a pop. [/b][/quote]
i ate there.&nbsp; but i was too shook up from the night before to really enjoy the food.

blue hoodie
07-18-2003, 10:24 PM
I can give you a pretty good list of places to eat in LA if you want.

sandra
07-18-2003, 10:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-blue hoodie+Jul 18 2003, 09:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blue hoodie @ Jul 18 2003, 09:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can give you a pretty good list of places to eat in LA if you want. [/b][/quote]
just don't make them eat with you.&nbsp; (refer to yw quirks thread).

:D

moschikat
07-19-2003, 12:07 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Jul 18 2003, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Jul 18 2003, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> just don't make them eat with you. (refer to yw quirks thread).

:D [/b][/quote]
it's okay - I actually eat slower than he does!!&nbsp; :P

sandra
07-19-2003, 12:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-moschikat+Jul 18 2003, 11:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moschikat @ Jul 18 2003, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Jul 18 2003, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Jul 18 2003, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> just don't make them eat with you. (refer to yw quirks thread).

:D [/b][/quote]
it's okay - I actually eat slower than he does!! :P [/b][/quote]
awww....how cute! hahaha.

SunWuKong
07-19-2003, 04:35 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Jul 19 2003, 01:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Jul 19 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i ate there. but i was too shook up from the night before to really enjoy the food. [/b][/quote]
it's really funny, because they have the fruit at the breakfast section, but i went to get the fruit after i had my lunch.&nbsp; i guess i was supposed to eat the fruit as breakfast and not as dessert.

Faithless
07-28-2003, 01:25 PM
I always have to check-out the best mall in whatever city I visit. Just curious to see what the fashion / eating trends are in these places.

Don't think I have found too many that vary.&nbsp; :frown:

ism
07-28-2003, 08:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-ChottoMatte+Jul 28 2003, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Jul 28 2003, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I always have to check-out the best mall in whatever city I visit. Just curious to see what the fashion / eating trends are in these places.

Don't think I have found too many that vary.&nbsp; :frown: [/b][/quote]
Check out "Fast Food Nation" by Eric Schlosser.&nbsp; It's hard to find localized trends where you're looking...

sweetmangos
08-05-2003, 10:24 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-ChottoMatte+Jul 28 2003, 12:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Jul 28 2003, 12:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I always have to check-out the best mall in whatever city I visit. Just curious to see what the fashion / eating trends are in these places.

Don't think I have found too many that vary. :frown: [/b][/quote]
Go to Valley Fair, Westfield Shopping Mall in Santa Clara then
cross the street over to Santana Row - it's a new more upscale
outside shopping area. It also has different restaurants to eat at.
Go to Straits Cafe, I haven't been but heard it's pretty good
PanAsian eating. If you like Thai, my favoritest Thai restaurant
is 5 minutes away - it's called Krung Thai.

Then there is Union Square in San Francisco - another shopping
mecca.

There are the outlets in Gilroy if you want to find good deals and
there's an In 'n' Out there.

Faithless
08-05-2003, 11:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-ism+Jul 28 2003, 07:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ism @ Jul 28 2003, 07:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ChottoMatte+Jul 28 2003, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Jul 28 2003, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I always have to check-out the best mall in whatever city I visit. Just curious to see what the fashion / eating trends are in these places.

Don't think I have found too many that vary. :frown: [/b][/quote]
Check out "Fast Food Nation" by Eric Schlosser. It's hard to find localized trends where you're looking... [/b][/quote]
Good book. I don't do as much fast food. Have kept my original copy of Diet for A New America.

Faithless
08-05-2003, 11:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-sweetmangos+Aug 5 2003, 09:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sweetmangos @ Aug 5 2003, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ChottoMatte+Jul 28 2003, 12:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Jul 28 2003, 12:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I always have to check-out the best mall in whatever city I visit. Just curious to see what the fashion / eating trends are in these places.

Don't think I have found too many that vary. :frown: [/b][/quote]
Go to Valley Fair, Westfield Shopping Mall in Santa Clara then
cross the street over to Santana Row - it's a new more upscale
outside shopping area. It also has different restaurants to eat at.
Go to Straits Cafe, I haven't been but heard it's pretty good
PanAsian eating. If you like Thai, my favoritest Thai restaurant
is 5 minutes away - it's called Krung Thai.

Then there is Union Square in San Francisco - another shopping
mecca.

There are the outlets in Gilroy if you want to find good deals and
there's an In 'n' Out there. [/b][/quote]
You know your shopping. Have yet to go to Santana Row.

moJo
08-05-2003, 02:03 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-ChottoMatte+Aug 5 2003, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 5 2003, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
You know your shopping. Have yet to go to Santana Row. [/b]
Santana Row: YUPPIE. All white and Asian. Pre-teen kids walking out of Gucci with shopping bags. :rolleyes:

I like South Coast Mall (not sure if that's the name) in Costa Mesa. Though has it's chi-chi stores, too.

Faithless
08-05-2003, 02:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sportie+Aug 5 2003, 01:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sportie @ Aug 5 2003, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
You know your shopping. Have yet to go to Santana Row.
Santana Row: YUPPIE. All white and Asian. Pre-teen kids walking out of Gucci with shopping bags. :rolleyes:

I like South Coast Mall (not sure if that's the name) in Costa Mesa. Though has it's chi-chi stores, too. [/b]
Been there too. Took my wife there on a training trip. Liked the architecture.

mrazntre
08-05-2003, 05:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-noname+Jan 21 2003, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (noname @ Jan 21 2003, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah I know.
Having only 2 weeks of vacation each year (with no carry-over) sucks.
Maybe I could use it all here, but I might want to use the other week to go elsewhere.

I might be back at the end of the year though.

As for this time, I'll probably spend a total of about 10 days. I do have to save one day for my friend's wedding.

I don't mind speed-touring. I did that in London, and I believe I saw all the main tourist attractions in one day. [/b][/quote]
no vacation carryover? damn the MAN. thas izz sUx. :pissed:

mrazntre
08-05-2003, 06:02 PM
Must go to Tommy's (chili fries/burgers/breakfast burgers/tamales). Prices include tax. There's one next to Magic Mountain <--amusement park if you're into that thing.

Santa Monica Pier is always fun though short-lived and small. It's a block away from 3rd Street Promenade where old people run over people and then accelerate, not stop. Clubs up and down Sunset Blvd. Don't meander too far south, a la Santa Monica Blvd (unless you're into that sort of thing). Universal CityWalk, just to say that you were there. Venice Beach (during the hot sunny day of course).

Chester
08-06-2003, 10:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sportie+Aug 5 2003, 01:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sportie @ Aug 5 2003, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Santana Row: YUPPIE. All white and Asian. Pre-teen kids walking out of Gucci with shopping bags. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Whenever I'm at Santana Row, I feel like a sell-out traitor for not being in Downtown. At the same time, I'm happy that San Jose got an addition to its repetoire of entertainment options.

The V-Bar is pretty cool insofar as the space itself goes, but the concept of people waiting in line to get in boggles the mind. Ditto for people willing to endure the weekend clusterfucks at Straits.

Passing by these places, my raised-in-the-South-Bay friends and I wonder where all these black-clad partyers are coming from. One theory has it that the head count at Santana Row mainly emanates from traffic rolling up 17 North from Los Gatos. If so, then I wonder who's left to patronize L.G. shitholes like the Los Gatos Bar & Grill.

Whatever. It's nice to have a big infusion of dining options. Straits is fantastic when one is in the mood to stomach the prices. Left Bank is always solid. I hear Maggiano's is a surprisingly-decent...at least when one considers it as an alternative to Buca di Shittos. While its market saturation seems to be gratuituosly-dense now, Pasta Pomodoro is always a welcome option. I've heard nice things about Village Cafe. I enjoyed myself at Yankee Pier, though I'm not much of one for seafood. And if you're not a sushi purist, the atmosphere at Blowfish is fun.

But I'm undecided on Pizza Antica. And Cazuela's...I'd only go back as a form of self-flagellation.

As for shopping...nice stuff, but unless there's huge "Sale!" signs in the window, I'm not setting foot in most of those places. Aside from the restaurants/bars and a birthday gift for a baby cousin from Jacadi, the only money I've spent at Santana Row is at the awesome Japanese stationery store, Maido, and the Bellarmine Salon, owned by my barber's daughter.

All in all, it far from obviates the need to log miles on 101.

Chester
08-06-2003, 11:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-professor frink+Aug 6 2003, 10:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (professor frink @ Aug 6 2003, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, santana row makes me wanna puke, but hell don't feel like a traitor to downtown - i swear, san jo is the shitiest downtown - you're talking about san jose right? well anyhow, its a ghost town that is too spaced out and wide. i remember h.s. days of trying to get into polyester with a fake i.d with stupid teeny bopper friends - oh the bad memories. the only good thing about downtown is cafecito (although sometimes tedious) and macla. [/b][/quote]
Polly Esther's. Oof.

Hey...at least you never got dragged to San Jose Live.

Cafecito's cool, as is MACLA. But I'm more of a bar guy. When we're in Downtown SJ, the rotation usually consists of Trial's, The Hedley, Johnny V.'s, O'Flaherty's, Caravan, and occasionally The Blank Club (R.I.P. Fuel).

All those places are good places, as far as I'm concerned. The problem is, aside from the ultra-cheese places (i.e. San Jose Bar & Grill), the crowd of regulars in San Jose is pretty small and seeing the same people over and over and over again gets kind of oppressive.

Oh...for those of you in/around San Jose, Russell (bartender from Trial's) just started a karaoke night at The Blank Club. Monday nights...he calls it "Union Jack-Off."

Sound lewd, but it basically refers to his songlist, which is heavy on British, New-Wave-era stuff. The guy has a major Elvis Costello fetish, but as far as I'm concerned, that's a fine quality for a Karaokemaster to have.

I dropped by at the tail end this past Monday and there was a good crowd. Folks said that people were up and singing solid throughout the night. For those of you looking for a hipsterish karaoke scene, you might want to check it out.

sweetmangos
08-07-2003, 07:01 PM
wow i haven't been to any of those places you mentioned in your
"rotation" except for Fuel once like years ago.

i used to go to Agenda on Thursdays.

a restaurant I'd recomend in Downtown San Jose is Blake's
Steakhouse. I had the New York Strip Iron Steak there and
it was damn good.

Faithless
08-07-2003, 11:16 PM
How about visiting some ritzy asian restaurants along the way?

I have heard that Tommy Toy's in San Francisco is very fancy and expensive.

http://www.tommytoys.com/

moJo
08-08-2003, 12:21 AM
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I have heard that Tommy Toy's in San Francisco is very fancy and expensive.

http://www.tommytoys.com/ [/b][/quote]
The ritziest in SF is supposedly Gary Danko, but I've never been there...Has anyone? I'm interested to hear if it's actually good. I hate upsacle restaurants cuz the portions are small and the $ are high. :angry:

Chester
08-08-2003, 12:26 AM
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Haven't had the occasion to go to any of the big spots, but, yeah...you're talking around $75-100 for a tasting menu, and then there's wine on top of that. One could easilydrop $250/person at places like Gary Danko, Elizabeth Daniel, Fifth Floor, Masa's, Charles Nob Hill, etc., etc.

If you're into food and in the Bay Area, the ba.food Usenet group is the place to be. Gary Danko is consistently raved about. Insofar as the chi-chi tasting-menu-temples, Elizabeth Daniel has been getting many thumbs up lately.

sweetmangos
08-08-2003, 12:31 PM
top fancy restaurant:
L'Auberge de Soleil in Napa. It's actually in a small town
very close to Napa, but i've heard rave rave rave reviews
on this restaurant. I went there to eat for lunch and it was nice.
It wasn't too snobby or TOO overpriced for the type of food
they serve. i would think the dinner is better though.

if you also like wine and spa treatments, you should just
do a day in Napa.

amietron
08-08-2003, 06:33 PM
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chi-chi :lol:

Chester
08-08-2003, 07:30 PM
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I miss Fuel. When it died, it begat "Plant 51," which promptly died and begat "The Blank Club." Blank's alright, but not my scene (not that I have a "scene," just that, if I did, Blank would not be it).

i used to go to Agenda on Thursdays.

I thought Agenda was alright the first few times I went there. But it quickly became one of the places I can't stand. Make sure to never eat there, downstairs. It looks like it'd be a nice restaurant, but it sucks donkey balls. You'd be better off eating at that little pizza window that used to be next door to Cactus Club which, of course, has gone to skuzball-bar-heaven, and has now been replaced by Zoe, which is owned by the same tightwad who owns Agenda.

a restaurant I'd recomend in Downtown San Jose is Blake's
Steakhouse. I had the New York Strip Iron Steak there and
it was damn good.

I tend to think Blake's is slightly overpriced. Mm...not necessarily the right word...it's just that dinners there don't feel as special as the price would suggest.

But...that's not really about the food. I don't know what it is. But it's not the food -- the food there is fantastic. Prime rib is excellent (and yields great French Dip sandwiches at lunch), as are all their steaks. I've had rib-eyes there several times -- their "blackened" rib-eye is an exercise in validation for my lifelong choice of being carniverous.