filipinos aren't asian?

[sandra]

on another thread, mzkisses informed me that filipinos are no longer considered asians on standardized tests. i don't think that this was always the case. when was this decision made, and why? is this what filipinos want?

[lethal]

I've always considered them Asian, but then again, they fail the chopstick test. :P

[MellowDrama]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 13 2003, 09:35 PM
on another thread, mzkisses informed me that filipinos are no longer considered asians on standardized tests. i don't think that this was always the case. when was this decision made, and why? is this what filipinos want?
Link?

This is news to me.

[rakovlam]

It's like when Asians aren't considered minorities when people talk about the education gap between whites and minorites.

[mrazntre]

Filipinos have never been considered Asian, isn't that right? They are considered API's, but that's it. On standardized tests, government employment app's, and such, there is a separate box for Filipino. Ask UCLA admissions. I used to consider Filipino's Asian until I found out that they differentiated themselves. It's one of those things, they're Asian when it's convenient, they're Filipinos when it's convenient.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by rakovlam@Jan 13 2003, 10:45 PM
It's like when Asians aren't considered minorities when people talk about the education gap between whites and minorites.
how so? i mean how is the analogy made to filipinos not being considered asian?

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 13 2003, 10:36 PM
I've always considered them Asian, but then again, they fail the chopstick test.   :P
:lol: Too funny!

I get confused for filipino alot.

[UCLABruins98]

mrazntre, if your measuring stick is the manner in which the US government classifies people, then let me tell you, you're gonna have an interesting time defining "other".

and if they are not asians but are considered "API"... what's the "A" stand for? "Australian"??? "American"???

and "ask UCLA admissions"??? why? did the world agree to somehow defer to UCLA Admissions in defining how Pinoys/Pinays should be classified or represented? I love UCLA, but trust me, they're not the definitive authority on ethnic representation.

and what about the prevalent ethnic chinese population that has lived in the Philippines for generations??? do we look at ethnicity, geography, citizenship, appearance, culture or politics in classifying their heritage?

I not trying to be an a$$hole, I'm only saying that the issue isn't as simple as deferring to another source.

[wylin]

Originally posted by mrazntre@Jan 13 2003, 08:29 PM
Filipinos have never been considered Asian, isn't that right? They are considered API's, but that's it. On standardized tests, government employment app's, and such, there is a separate box for Filipino. Ask UCLA admissions. I used to consider Filipino's Asian until I found out that they differentiated themselves. It's one of those things, they're Asian when it's convenient, they're Filipinos when it's convenient.
exactly i think of them as island mexicans or mexican islanders...jk.

I consider them their own unique group because of their mixture in blood kinda like hawaians are their own distinict blend of polynesian/ white/ and japanese culture and blood.

[himura-dono]

actually api is in reference to the asian portion of the pacific islands. i think it's guam and left on american made maps.

[MellowDrama]

For Census and education Dept. of Education stats, Filipinos are considered Asians. The Filipino identity is multifaceted, but I'd say more than anything, Filipinos are SE Asians.

[UCLABruins98]

mellow... did you just say that "Filipinos are SE Asians"??? you gotta be kidding me, right? the "asian" label I can see, "pacific islander"... sure... "api"... why not? BUT "SE Asians" now we're just getting silly...

[MellowDrama]

Philippines is a member of ASEAN, the Association of SOUTHEAST ASIAN Nations. The cultural links with Malaysia, Indonesia and neighboring SE Asian nations is undisputed. Ethnically and racially, Filipinos are mostly Malays. Other than that, wondeful point!

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by UCLABruins98@Jan 14 2003, 02:33 PM
BUT "SE Asians" now we're just getting silly...
Silly? Uh you do know that Tagalog is very closely related to languages of countries which are in Southeast Asia, namely Malaysian and Indonesian, and there are many cultural similarities between the three nations despite the Catholic/Spanish overlay influence in the Philippines and the Muslim influence in M'sia and Indonesia. Not to mention that the Philippines is a member of ASEAN, the "Association of SOUTHEAST ASIAN Nations."

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by UCLABruins98@Jan 14 2003, 02:33 PM
mellow... did you just say that "Filipinos are SE Asians"??? you gotta be kidding me, right? the "asian" label I can see, "pacific islander"... sure... "api"... why not? BUT "SE Asians" now we're just getting silly...
actually i think "south east asian" for filippinos probably more accurately pinpoints what they are than asian or api.

[kitty]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 14 2003, 08:56 PM
actually i think "south east asian" for filippinos probably more accurately pinpoints what they are than asian or api.
I'm not well read on this stuff, but I've always sorta thought that too...

[rakovlam]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 14 2003, 12:29 AM
how so?  i mean how is the analogy made to filipinos not being considered asian?
Good question. Whenever I hear about scholarships and grants for minorities, they usually say must be of black, hispanic, or Native American decent. But no Asian. I rememebr last a group of kids needed to put a black guy in their group so they can qualify for a grant to create a science project (not really a problem, it was one of the guy's friend). There was already an Indian kid on it, but no.

For some reason, proponents of quotas and affirmative always emphasis that there is a disparity of grades between whites and minorities. And yet, same study shows that Asians score, on the average, higher than whites in standardized testing.

The flippino isn't asian probably came from the confusing system California used to have. Before some proposition banned public sectors from asking for one's race, there probably a dozen different racial and ethnic groups to choose. Hispanic makes up a bulk of these selections. Flippino is probably considered in some hispanic group (after all, their country was once ruled by Spain). I'm not sure how this would affect Flippinos, but excluding Asians from minority status to most organizations affects many people, including me. If it was up to me, there shouldn't be any race-based public grants (as for private scholarships, I could care less).

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by rakovlam@Jan 14 2003, 04:58 PM
Good question. Whenever I hear about scholarships and grants for minorities, they usually say must be of black, hispanic, or Native American decent. But no Asian. I rememebr last a group of kids needed to put a black guy in their group so they can qualify for a grant to create a science project (not really a problem, it was one of the guy's friend). There was already an Indian kid on it, but no.

For some reason, proponents of quotas and affirmative always emphasis that there is a disparity of grades between whites and minorities. And yet, same study shows that Asians score, on the average, higher than whites in standardized testing.

The flippino isn't asian probably came from the confusing system California used to have. Before some proposition banned public sectors from asking for one's race, there probably a dozen different racial and ethnic groups to choose. Hispanic makes up a bulk of these selections. Flippino is probably considered in some hispanic group (after all, their country was once ruled by Spain). I'm not sure how this would affect Flippinos, but excluding Asians from minority status to most organizations affects many people, including me. If it was up to me, there shouldn't be any race-based public grants (as for private scholarships, I could care less).
i'm still confused as to how that pertains to whether or not filippinos are considered asians. :confused:

and by the way, there are plenty of southeast asian kids who test at the same level as blacks and hispanics. many came from refugee backgrounds.

also by the way, i know affirmative action, being far from perfect, sometimes end up becoming quotas, but i doubt many people openly say that they're proponents of quotas - since they're illegal.

i didn't know that affirmative action proponents emphasizes the disparity of grades between whites and minorities. i thought they emphasized that many minorities come from families that are poorer than the average white family, and that there is racism in selection processes that is disadvantageous to minorities.

[rakovlam]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 14 2003, 06:22 PM

i'm still confused as to how that pertains to whether or not filippinos are considered asians. :confused:

and by the way, there are plenty of southeast asian kids who test at the same level as blacks and hispanics. many came from refugee backgrounds.

also by the way, i know affirmative action, being far from perfect, sometimes end up becoming quotas, but i doubt many people openly say that they're proponents of quotas - since they're illegal.

i didn't know that affirmative action proponents emphasizes the disparity of grades between whites and minorities. i thought they emphasized that many minorities come from families that are poorer than the average white family, and that there is racism in selection processes that is disadvantageous to minorities.
Speaking of refugee backgrounds, I've heard some of California's admissions policy is based on overcoming adversity. They give points to things like going to a failing school, divorced parents, poor families, etc. So anyone who comes from a good school and stable family are gonna be short-handed.

Evidence shows that the minority middle class is expanding rapidly. While most of the poor are minorities, most minorities are no longer considered poor. (If you like me to back that up, I will). But affirmative action is definately race based.

The policy in Michigan is a joke. One gets more points for being born black, hispanic, and native american. That's why it's under judical review by the Supreme Court.

[AltimaGTR]

Mann, that's wierd; I've always considered filipinos asian, but yeah... :huh:

As for affirmative action, I don't really like it at all. What started out as something that was meant to bring equality has turned out something the opposite.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by rakovlam@Jan 14 2003, 06:25 PM
So anyone who comes from a good school and stable family are gonna be short-handed.
no actually, they come from good schools and stable families. the people that went to bad schools and broken families start off being short-handed.

[sandra]

yeh, i'm sure filipinos are not categorized as pacific islanders.

the pacific islands include:

POLYNESIA
The islands scattered across a triangle covering the east-central region of the Pacific Ocean. The triangle is bounded by the Hawaiian islands in the north, New Zealand in the west, and Easter Island in the east. The rest of Polynesia comprises Samoa (American Samoa and Western Samoa), the Cook Islands, French Polynesia (Tahiti and The Society Islands, Marquesa Islands, Austral Islands, and the Tuamotu Archipelago), Niue Island, Tokelau and Tuvalu, Tonga, Wallis and Futuna, and Pitcairn Island.


MELANESIA
The island of New Guinea, the Bismarck and Louisiade archipelagos, the Admiralty Islands, and Bougainville Island (which make up the independent state of Papua New Guinea), the Solomon Islands, the Santa Cruz Islands (part of the Solomon Islands), New Caledonia and Loyalty Islands, Vanuatu (formerly New Hebrides), Fiji, Norfolk Island, and various smaller islands.


MICRONESIA
The islands of Kiribati, Guam, Nauru, the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas, and the Federated States of Micronesia (Yap, Chuuk, Pohnpei, and Kosrate, all in the Caroline Islands).


so from what i'm reading (of your posts), it looks like they're actually southeast asian, right?

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by wylin@Jan 13 2003, 10:45 PM
exactly i think of them as island mexicans or mexican islanders...
Sounds just about right to me.

[maldito]

Originally posted by mrazntre@Jan 13 2003, 08:29 PM
Filipinos have never been considered Asian, isn't that right? They are considered API's, but that's it.
I want to know who these people are that says these things. I've never heard anything about how Filipinos do NOT consider themselves Asians except in these forums. And I've also heard Filipinos saying how other Asians don't consider them Asians.

[maldito]

Originally posted by wylin@Jan 13 2003, 10:45 PM
I consider them their own unique group because of their mixture in blood kinda like hawaians are their own distinict blend of polynesian/ white/ and japanese culture and blood.
Do you know what a Hawaiian is?

The Philippines are in the SEA area and they share lots of similarities to other SEA people.

[maldito]

Originally posted by UCLABruins98@Jan 14 2003, 11:33 AM
BUT "SE Asians" now we're just getting silly...
You've never herad them as S.E.A.? What is an SEA to you?

[maldito]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 17 2003, 02:20 PM
yeh, i'm sure filipinos are not categorized as pacific islanders.

I know some Filipinos wanted to call themselves Pacific Islanders but those are limited to just the Pacific Islands in the places you posted and that is basically throughout Oceania.

[sandra]

Originally posted by maldito@Jan 18 2003, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 17 2003, 02:20 PM
yeh, i'm sure filipinos are not categorized as pacific islanders.

I know some Filipinos wanted to call themselves Pacific Islanders but those are limited to just the Pacific Islands in the places you posted and that is basically throughout Oceania.
you're right. i overlooked that.

[ism]

Hell, I just check all the boxes that apply to me.