Democratic Presendential Candidates

[kimpossible]

Usually I don't vote for a particular party but since I'm pretty sure that Bush is going to be the Republican candidate I'm looking towards the Dems. Piss poor selection as far as I can see. I miss Bill.

I can't stand Kerry. The only one that even has my attention is John Edwards.

[loserbutt]

whats wrong with Kerry?

also Dean reminds me of Josiah Bartlett from West Wing :)

[kimpossible]

What's wrong with Kerry? My god, he's from Massachusetts. Isn't that enough? :D

edit: but tell me what you like about him. I need another perspective.

[kimpossible]

I agree with all of your points except I don't get the Elaine Chao comment. However, I think Bush's dimwittedness is dangerous. I could use a little less cowboy, good vs. evil, "Axis of Evil" mentality for a president. This is mainly why I'm eyeing potential Dem candidates. If an intelligent moderate Republican was a candidate, I could easily vote for (what most likely would be a) him.

[Arb Nam]

Regardless what everyone says about Gore, he's my prez. I miss him so.

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

Kerry's too much a traditional New England democrat. Whoever wins the next elections will win it by taking the south and the midwest. The northeast isn't quite as important anymore.

If anything, most of those likely Democratic candidates are too much the democrat stereotype. They'll get the votes of the faithful, but they'll lose the sheep-minded swing voters. Gephardt and Daschle are too tied to the idea that they're the opposites of Bush's uber-patriotism. People who don't think enough will feel like they're not tough enough on terrorism.

I'm thinking Edwards. Southern. Fairly anonymous for the greater American public but seems to be popular among the Democrats. Enough intra-party pull to get nominated. Friendly face. Doesn't seem as stilted as Gore. Decent ties to the south that can help the voters there get over their hatred of Democrats. We need more of that and less stereotypical liberals like Lieberman.

[wylin]

screw lieberman and his trying to ban videogames, plus i think the overall white america isnt ready for a jew in the whitehouse.

[deez nuts]

Al Sharpton?

You the realize this is the same Al Sharpton that organized the 1) boycott and protests of Korean runned grocery stores and eventually leaked over to not only Koreans but other Asians as well, since we all look alike, ya know? 2) The whole Tawana Brawley debacle 3)He basically came out and said outright that Asian runned businesses in Black communities are a plague.

and a host of other shit in NY.

Hahaha Al Sharpton.

[rakovlam]

I don't care as long its someone who gets his ass easily whooped by the Republicans. Al Al Al Al Al....

[loserbutt]

hey, why all the sucking up to the south?

I like kerry because I saw him speak once on foxnews and liked what he had to say.

btw edwards is a no-go because he is a TRIAL LAWYER

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

What's wrong with being a trial lawyer? :lol:

Anyways, the reason I care so much more about winning the south than about New England and the northeast is that the majority of the people and political power is located to the west and below the Mason-Dixon line. The Dems have squeezed as much as they can out of the traditional regions. It'll be a game of diminishing returns for the Dems to count on the NE carrying them to victory in the future. Now they need to concentrated on firming up the Democratically leaning factions in the swing states and wooing the swing-voters.

[lethal]

Wonder what it would take to get Bill to run again...wonder if he could win again...

[Chris]

Yikes those are the candidates? Unless they want a repeat of what happen last year. They need to find stronger candidates. If Hilary run than we might have a chance.

[loserbutt]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 7 2003, 09:01 AM
Wonder what it would take to get Bill to run again...wonder if he could win again...
a constitutional amendment :)


edwards is no good as a trial lawyer because those fricken bastards have run so out of control that in my home state, WV, doctors are moving out in droves because malpractice insurance rates are so ridiculously high due to the lawyers winning ridiculous amounts. It works out something like a simple move across the border to PA or MD results in 60k less in malpractice insurance rates per year. Personally I like Kerry and Dean, they'd be a good ticket. I do not want to see Lieberman, Daschle, or Gephardt anywhere near New Hampshire

[wylin]

Originally posted by Chris@Jan 7 2003, 05:35 PM
Yikes those are the candidates? Unless they want a repeat of what happen last year. They need to find stronger candidates. If Hilary run than we might have a chance.
i personally dont think that hilary would make a good president, plus everyone knows that women shouldnt be in power! :lol:

[lethal]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Jan 7 2003, 08:44 PM
a constitutional amendment :)
I don't think there's anything in the COnstitution prohibiting bill from running again. It just says that a person cannot serve more than 2 terms consecutively.

[himura-dono]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 7 2003, 09:01 AM
Wonder what it would take to get Bill to run again...wonder if he could win again...
i bet he could win if given the chance. i feel he coulda held a third term roosevelt style if allowed.

i want "mr red-button" out of office...it'd be nice to return to a tranquil happy usa.

[himura-dono]

well, maybe if we can get out of state ballot counters to replace the floridian ones hired by jeb bush, a dem could win.

[achtungbaby]

I heard whispers that Rodham-Clinton might run. To be honest, while I've never been particularly eager to force a female into office, her candidacy would certainly liven things up. Otherwise, Bush will be Prez for another four years. You've got to give his handlers credit: he's been asked to play quarterback and play not to lose, and it's a good strategy when every other month Homeland defense rings their bell to keep the public on their toes.

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

I don't think Hillary could win. I'm not quite sure if most of the country is ready for a woman president. Plus, the GOP could just bring up bad memories of the Clinton years all over again. It'd be a mess.

It doesn't help that the woman's public speaking voice has all the sincerity of a unsuccessful real estate agent.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by VBKao@Jan 9 2003, 02:33 PM
I don't think Hillary could win. I'm not quite sure if most of the country is ready for a woman president. Plus, the GOP could just bring up bad memories of the Clinton years all over again. It'd be a mess.

It doesn't help that the woman's public speaking voice has all the sincerity of a unsuccessful real estate agent.
I would tend to agree re: whether the country was ready or not...but then again, I also thought the country would never be ready for President Alfred Gore, and it was. Ya just never know. She'd be a much better candidate than any other Democrat's I've seen thus far (admittedly not a whole lot).

And yes, she doesn't have the charisma of her husband, but that might be a good thang (I could mention Gore again...!). Besides, she'd have the flat-out best campaigner in the country sleeping in her bed.

The Republicans bash the Clinton era, but really, it's because of Al Gore's ineptitude that such a ridiculous argument holds any water whatsoever. If he'd had any balls during the campaign and just said, "Fuck yeah! I was part of that damn shady administration that humped everyone and lied to everyone...but made everyone rich," then the world would be a much different place.

[loserbutt]

hillary? blah. remember 1993? people tend to hate hillary even more than they hate bill

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Jan 9 2003, 04:06 PM
hillary? blah. remember 1993? people tend to hate hillary even more than they hate bill
If you're referring to the Health Care debacle, in the beginning, it received broad bipartisan support. It later veered outta control after people started having objections to specific proposals, from what I recall.

[Chris]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Jan 9 2003, 04:06 PM
hillary? blah. remember 1993? people tend to hate hillary even more than they hate bill
That was before Bill Cheated on her. LOL

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Chris@Jan 13 2003, 01:09 PM
That was before Bill Cheated on her. LOL
Oh, I think Bill's infidelity goes way back before '93 :lol:

[Chris]

:lol: hhehe I should rephrase that it was before Bill infidelity was KNOWN in 93

[Shuriken]

So far, it looks to me like John Edwards is the most promising: he's Southern (although I wish that regionalism didn't play such a big factor in elections), and he's got the looks and charisma to take on the Bush machine. My problem with him is that he's relatively conservative. However, election watchers are now saying that, with the Democrats defeated in 2002 by going along so closely with Bush, the Dems are going to have to play more to their liberal base, which means that Edwards might have to become more liberal as the race progresses. Some have also pointed out that Edwards is only a first-term senator, but in 2004, he'll have had as many years in public office as Bush did when he ran.

But the most conservative Democrat in the race so far is Joseph Lieberman. I'm not sure why he even calls himself a Democrat. The one silver lining in Gore's exclusion from the White House after his popular-vote win is that Lieberman is not vice president. A choice in 2004 between Bush and Lieberman would be no choice at all. If I were to vote for a Jewish candidate for president, I'd rather go with someone like Russ Feingold.

John Kerry looks good on paper, especially his service in Vietnam. But I just can't imagine his hangdog personality inspiring the voters. If he were a Republican, he could get away with it because the bar is so low. As a Republican candidate, you could be brain dead and in a coma, and as long as word got out that you'd cut taxes and appoint anti-abortion judges, you'd still be formidable. Bush taught us that. But if you're a Democrat, you better wear a red cape and be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound if anyone is to take you seriously.

Nightmare scenario: The Bush camp recognizes Edwards as his most formidable opponent and launches an early attack on him during the primaries (the way that California Governor Gray Davis, to his discredit, launched an early attack on Republican Richard Riordan). As a result, Edwards is knocked out by the barrage, and Lieberman wins the nomination. The voters see the "choice" between the Republican and the Republican, and they elect the Republican.


(P.S. Gore's first name is Albert, not Alfred)

[ism]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 8 2003, 02:31 PM
I don't think there's anything in the COnstitution prohibiting bill from running again.  It just says that a person cannot serve more than 2 terms consecutively.

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

The stuff after the first comma is there because FDR had already started serving more than 2 terms.

Hillary. Not her time, and would be foolish right now. She hasn't even finished her first public office term. 2008, though, think America is ready for a female president? Kinda funny that other, less "free," nations, have had female leaders before America has.. Bhutto in Pakistan, and Begum Khaleda Zia in Bangladesh, both Islamic nations.

[Danny]

the fact remains that who ever wins the south is going to win the election..... the best bet for the Democrats is a southern Presidential Candidate that appeals to women and also minorities. That was the successful plan when Clinton ran. Al Gore was a statue that did not appeal to anyone and I think his choice of running mate cost him a few counties.

Personally I think if the economy keeps going south whoever the democrats run will end up beating bush. Kerry seems fairly spinless looking and I would not really be enthused with him as a president. If Bush had the charisma Reagan did I think this election would be his, but he is a total n00b and I think the economy is going to just slaughter him, as it did his father....

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by Danny@Jan 22 2003, 08:38 PM
Al Gore was a statue that did not appeal to anyone...
Yeah, you're right. He only appealed to the half a million more voters who voted for him instead of Bush...

The election shouldn't have been so close, though...

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Danny@Jan 22 2003, 12:38 PM
the fact remains that who ever wins the south is going to win the election..... the best bet for the Democrats is a southern Presidential Candidate that appeals to women and also minorities.
I agree. Now if a credible Democrat from the South would just stand up...

[digiaks]

Al Gore should have ran. He is the best man for the job.

"Re-Elect Gore for 2004"

[lethal]

Originally posted by ism@Jan 22 2003, 03:37 PM

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

The stuff after the first comma is there because FDR had already started serving more than 2 terms.

Hillary. Not her time, and would be foolish right now. She hasn't even finished her first public office term. 2008, though, think America is ready for a female president? Kinda funny that other, less "free," nations, have had female leaders before America has.. Bhutto in Pakistan, and Begum Khaleda Zia in Bangladesh, both Islamic nations.
Sorry, you're right. I actually read the Constitution for my Con Law class last week and thought about my post and my mistake, but I never corrected myself. Until then, I was under the impression that it was 2 consectutive terms. The stuff after the comma is for Presidents who are promted to the position and serve more than 2 years of a partial term. So if a guy serves 3 years as President, he can only be re-elected once.

[Adaon]

I never thought Al Gore had a chance, he was still too much of a guy in the shadows while Bill was having his fun with everyone. And when the more he finally opened his mouth, the more of an idiot we discovered him to be.

[achtungbaby]

Just to update, the six Democratic Presidential candidates so far:

Al Sharpton
Richard Gephardt
John Edwards
Joseph Lieberman
Howard Dean
John Kerry