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MarshalStealth
09-26-2009, 07:09 PM
Human nature at its worst.


Wednesday, Sep. 23, 2009
Can a Mixed-Race Contestant Become a Chinese Idol?
By Simon Elegant and Chengcheng Jiang

In many ways, Lou Jing is a typical young woman from Shanghai. Pretty and confident, she speaks Mandarin heavily accented with the lilting tones of the Shanghai dialect and browses the malls of this huge city for the latest fashions.

But there is one thing that distinguishes this 20-year-old from her peers, something that has made her the unwitting focus of an intense public debate about what exactly it means to be Chinese: the color of her skin. Born to a Chinese mother and an African-American father whom she has never met, the theater student rocketed into the public consciousness last month when she took part in an American Idol–esque TV show, Go! Oriental Angel. (See pictures of modern Shanghai.)

The marketing gurus for the series could hardly have dreamed of a better promotional gimmick when they started to investigate the backgrounds of the dozens of pop-star wannabes to root out the competitors' mushy stories of triumph over adversity that are a well-worn staple of the genre. Here was a tale guaranteed to attract eyeballs: a girl of mixed race, brought up by a single Chinese mother, struggling to gain acceptance in a deeply conservative, some would say racist, society.

The strategy worked — perhaps too well. In August, Lou's appearance on the show not only boosted viewer numbers but also sparked an intense nationwide debate about the essential meaning of being Chinese. Over the past month on Internet chat rooms, where modern China's sensitive issues are thrashed out by netizens long before they reach the heavily censored mainstream media, Lou's ethnicity has been the subject of a relentless barrage of criticism, some of it crudely racist. Many think she should not have been allowed to compete on a Chinese show, or at least not selected to represent Shanghai in the national competition. She doesn't have fair skin, which is one of the most important factors for Chinese beauty. What's more, her mother and her biological father were never married; morally, the argument goes, this kind of behavior shouldn't be publicized, so she shouldn't have been put on TV as a young "idol."

These kinds of posts on the most popular chat rooms have attracted thousands of comments. A few have been supportive of Lou, but the rest range from expressions of fear and ignorance to outright racism. One of the most popular posts about Lou Jing on the KDS Life forum asked in mock seriousness, "Is it possible that she is Obama's daughter?" Another poster said, "I can't believe she's so shameless that she would go on TV." Most of the critics are agreed on one point: that this black woman cannot be regarded as a "real" Chinese.

As recently as the 1970s, foreigners were largely barred from living in China, let alone marrying a local. China does not easily accept mixed-race children as true-blooded Chinese: as soon as a child is born, the parents are required to register with the authorities as to which of the 56 government-approved ethnic groups their child belongs; there are no mixed-race categories. Lou feels she is very much Chinese. "When I meet somebody for the first time, they'd often ask me how I can speak Chinese so well, and I tell them, 'Because I'm a Chinese — of course I can speak my mother tongue well,' " Lou says defiantly. "I don't like to be treated differently."

As China undergoes an astonishing demographic shift and more foreigners make their homes in the Middle Kingdom, Lou is by no means the only one being treated differently. Recent decades have seen a surge in the number of mixed-race couples. According to the data offered by Shanghai Civil Affairs Bureau, from 1994 to 2008, each year there have been about 3,000 more mixed-race marriages in Shanghai. But as the children of that first generation of mixed-race marriages come of age, their moves to gain acceptance in society — like Lou's participation in the TV show — have exposed a deep-running vein of xenophobia in Chinese society. Last year, Ding Hui, a young man of African-Chinese ethnicity, caused a stir when he was called up to the national volleyball team, prompting much soul-searching about whether the athlete should be allowed to represent China alongside pure-blooded Chinese competitors. Eventually, Ding Hui did go on to play for the national team.

"As China continues to open up, this kind of phenomenon will become ever more prevalent," says David Zweig, a professor of humanities and social sciences at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. "This is part of the process of internationalization, but we can only hope that Chinese people, including netizens and the people whose views tend towards extremism, can come to accept that there are many mixed-race people, both in China and worldwide."

As for Lou, she found the whole experience more than a little disturbing. She did well in the show, ranking in the top 30 contestants before she was eliminated. Now she's back to her normal life as a college junior — with a little new insight into her home. "Through this competition, it's really scary to find out how the color of my skin can cause such a big controversy."

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Shanghai Black Girl Lou Jing
September 1st, 2009 by Key | Posted in Life Style, News | 100 Comments »

Participating in the competition reality show “Let’s Go! Oriental Angels” (加油!东方天使) on Dragon TV, Lou Jing (娄婧) recently became popular on the Chinese internet because of the brutal comments and attacks online over her ethnic background and her skin color.

Lou Jing and her mother showed up on the “Let’s Go! Oriental Angels” program and told the viewers their story. After Lou Jing’s mother was married, she had sex with a black man. The black man returned back to the United States, left Lou Jing’s mother pregnant with her. After Lou Jing was born, mother divorced the original husband, alone raising this special girl. Lou Jing also expressed that the person she loves the most in her whole life is her mother. Because of Lou Jing’s birth story, soon after she and her mother were viciously insulted by the netizens all over the country.

Ever since Lou Jing made it to the top five in Shanghai district of the competition, Netizens never stopped debating over her, as she further advanced in the competition, netizens’ voices were more and more extreme. As early as August 10th a netizen named “宅男爸爸” wrote a post with the title “Posting a boring post, is it possible Lou Jing’s father is Obama?” on KDS. In this post, he endlessly mocked, made fun of Lou Jing. Soon after, more and more netizens jumped on the bandwagon of “cursing Lou Jing”. (This post is now deleted)

On August 28th, netizens’ debate over Lou Jing’s controversy grew more intensely. A netizen named “朕爱天下” posted a post with the title “Lou Jing’s American Black Father and Shanghai Mother”, attracted over 100,000 views. Many netizens viciously insulted Lou Jing’s mother in the post comments, of course others were outraged by the racist and ignorant comments, fighting back to protect Lou Jing and her mother. Below is the translation of this post and selected comments.

After Lou Jing’s mother was married, she had sexual relation with a black man. The black man went back to the United States, leaving Lou Jing’s mother with the unborn child. After Lou Jing was born, her mother got a divorce. But Lou Jing’s story did not end with her performance; her black skin became everyone’s focus. Lou Jing and her mother for the first time publicly responded to this sensitive topic. Lou Jing’s mother is from Shanghai, father is a black American. Later his father left them and never returned. Lou Jing at a young age lived in a single parent family without a father. Lou Jing is a lovely and well-behaved mother’s girl. She is always optimistic and has a positive attitude towards other’s questionable looks. Lou Jing grew up with ups and downs missing her father’s love, but was never lack of family love. Even though Lou Jing was strong, when facing her mother on stage, she shed tears of both happiness and bitterness. “Whatever dad could have taught me, mom already taught me, and she taught me better.” Tears of both happiness and bitterness are the warmth between mother and daughter and the hardships of their lives. And only they can understand each other.

Host Dai Jun (戴军) was touched by Jing Lou’s optimism. When he learned Lou Jing has the wish of finding her father, he encouraged her to look for her father, to find the missing fatherly love in her life. The headmaster of the program Chen Rong (陈蓉) also at the scene called for everybody to help her to make her dream come true.

This show not only had excellent performance, but also told the unforgettable story. “Chocolate” girl Lou Jing’s skin color lets people mistaken her for a foreigner. In fact, she is an outright Shanghai girl, and she speaks fluent Shanghai dialect. On the stage, studying under “the Yue Prince” Zhao Zhigang (赵志刚), Jing Lou sang a classic Shanghai opera piece (a famous sense from the novel “Dream of the Red Chamber”). Teacher Zhao carefully prepared her before the competition, also confidently vowed “ I must teach her well.” The strict master produced outstanding student, Lou Jing defeated Dang Tian (唐甜), the girl from Xian going to the finals. Lou Jing not only has great talent, but also has the looks of a model. Her fashion shoot by “Mina” magazine was appraised as “the best of in class of Shanghai”.

Selected Comments:

Shanghai people’s value plunges.
A bastard, brought her out to show off because of the foreigner descent.

The girl is ok, her mom is a whore, married and still mess around with black guy, maybe it’s the great “love”, it’s a pity the black guy was just playing her, Chinese girls please have some self-respect.

Her mother still has the face to go on stage, she is shameless, and this kind of thing is definitely scandals you should keep in the family. She still dares to go on stage, maybe she does not feel ashamed, instead feels proud.

Is this the legend of the bastard? And an unwanted bastard, Her mother is a shameless woman, pregnant by a black guy, and then abandoned, was it good when he was pleasing you? Still obsessed with him after several decades? Not feel ashamed, even go on TV to look, looking for what? Looking for lost big XX? Looking for climax never had again? Shameless! Why are Shanghai women always the target of criticism? It’s because of shameless bitch like her!

Dragon TV please help this bastard find her family. Let the black father with a big XX hurry back, address this old woman’s needs!
Black Dad, come back soon! Someone cannot forget your big XX.

This woman has no sense of shame, married and you cheat, give birth to a black kid so there is no way to hide, if wasn’t for that her husband will have to raise their children. Cheap is the word, in order to run with a foreigner, even do with black people.

There are countless comments like above with only a few neutral comments, but mainly saying it’s not the girls fault…

Why all people in here are like this? What kind of world is this!!!!

Her mother, I don’t know. But everyone is discriminate against blacks? If her father is white, what will you say then?

People, please be kind, girl herself is not wrong. Why can’t she go on TV? F* that, I cannot help but to curse. I think even she is a little dark, but very cute~
You guys are a group of twisted people.

Lou Jing wrote a post “I am Lou Jing from ‘Oriental Angles’, I am making an announcement here” on KDS on August 30th

1. My father is an American, not African

2. I am a native Shanghainese

3. Parents’ fault I should not be responsible for, I am innocent!

4. Solemnly Protest against acts of racial discrimination by some of you, my skin color should not be the target of attacks! I will retain the right to take legal actions!

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/09/01/shanghai-black-girl-lou-jing/


* Pictures of Lou Jing

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/ShanghaiGirl2.jpg
http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/shanghainese-luo-jing-fancy-dress-280x373.jpg
http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/20090901blackgirl02.jpg

BillBlythe
09-26-2009, 07:34 PM
i think they'd be more likely to accept her if she was mixed with white.

SunWuKong
09-26-2009, 07:55 PM
here's a translated interview with her:

http://shanghaiist.com/2009/09/16/lou_jing_talks_to_netease_about_ori.php

Dimeron
09-26-2009, 08:15 PM
First, cute girl, second, I think three things are working against her.

1. She's half black and look black.
2. Her dad is not Chinese. Aside from the whole family name thing, I think a lot of Chinese people start to catch on to the whole foreigner men marrying Chinese women thing.
3. In combination with point 2, not only is her dad not Chinese, I would guess the relationship between her mom and dad didn't end well. Marriage and Sex in China is still very serous business, even worse since she's born out of wedlock.

I seems to recall there are a few famous hapa actress in the HK entertainment, I know all of them are mixed with white, would be curious to know how Caucasian they look and which parent was White.

PS. I have to agree with BillBlythe though, if her Dad was a white dude, and assuming the situation is near identical (ie, her dad hit and run), she would be treated much, much better.

popculturepooka
09-26-2009, 09:21 PM
One of the women who was asking her questions was surprised that a "mixed-blood" could speak Chinese. *Sigh* :confused:

Really, though?

I wonder if all of this was new to her or was it just the same just on a much more extreme scale. It seems like she's extremely well-adjusted in any case.

On a tangent, I would definitely like the chance to meet her and we can discuss our shared blasian experience. :cool: :biggrin:

USCTrojanzNo1
09-26-2009, 09:35 PM
Yes dear, Chinese people can be just as racist as their white counterparts.

If the white media gets a hold of this, it will create a huge firestorm and I sense that it gives whites more justification to attack Chinese people ("Look, them chinks think they're all smart and shit, but they are also racist pricks! how hypocritical!").

The thing I fear from this is that articles like this is going to further foment hostilities between Chinese/East Asians and Blacks.

Dimeron
09-26-2009, 09:40 PM
Yes dear, Chinese people can be just as racist as their white counterparts.

If the white media gets a hold of this, it will create a huge firestorm and I sense that it gives whites more justification to attack Chinese people ("Look, them chinks think they're all smart and shit, but they are also racist pricks! how hypocritical!").

The thing I fear from this is that articles like this is going to further foment hostilities between Chinese/East Asians and Blacks.

On the other hand, her dad did do got her mother pregnant and run off, I'm sure African Americans have their own stereotypes they are trying to deal with.

Hopefully most people are smart enough to realize China != Chinese Americans.

One of the women who was asking her questions was surprised that a "mixed-blood" could speak Chinese. *Sigh* :confused:

Really, though?

I wonder if all of this was new to her or was it just the same just on a much more extreme scale. It seems like she's extremely well-adjusted in any case.

On a tangent, I would definitely like the chance to meet her and we can discuss our shared blasian experience. :cool: :biggrin:

She's a lot more Chinese than most of us here. Although I doubt most Chinese people in China will ever acknowledge this.

Most mixed Asians in China, which mostly consists of those with Chinese mother and White father, or in couple rare cases oversea Chinese father and White mother usually study in international schools, and will eventually move back to their father's country.

I think it is still pretty rare where a non-east Asian would be born and raised in China proper.

This is just my experiences in the big cities (BJ, Shang Hai, Tian Jian) though. No idea what it is like for Russian Chinese and Russian hapa up in Northern China.

Wuwei
09-26-2009, 10:30 PM
Hopefully most people are smart enough to realize China != Chinese Americans.

lol.

Anyways, interesting find, and I feel horrible that she is being attacked like that regardless of the circumstances.

This story would be COMPLETELY different if she was a white/Asian mix. God, I still remember this trip to Beijing I took during high school with a few classmates, two of which were cute white girls. People literally showered them with gifts. It was just ridiculous how much colonial mentality there still is.

AngryABCGirl
09-26-2009, 10:32 PM
i think they'd be more likely to accept her if she was mixed with white.

It would help a lot if she could sing: http://ent.joy.cn/video/700851.htm

With mixed celebrities in Asia there's kind of been a pattern with Blasians being loved if they are exceptionally talented, like Amerie or Hines Ward. Otherwise it's not pretty.

The two most prominent Chinese actors that I can think of that are mixed are Anthony Wong and Karon Mok in HK. Both of them were locally-raised and could pass for being only Chinese without a second glance though. Plus in a way it's kind of an unfair comparison since HK has had a history and contemporary situation of being international versus even Shanghai and other parts of China.

Mainland Chinese in general aren't very familiar nor comfortable with the concept of people being bicultural let alone being biracial. In her case she probably isn't even bicultural. The ideas of "Chinese being one family" and nationalism are much more firmly entrenched and have a much more fervent dynamic in the mainland much more than other parts of the Chinese-speaking world. It's not super surprising that a few bigots are gonna come out swinging even if it's not logical.

SunWuKong
09-26-2009, 11:04 PM
The two most prominent Chinese actors that I can think of that are mixed are Anthony Wong and Karon Mok in HK. Both of them were locally-raised and could pass for being only Chinese without a second glance though. Plus in a way it's kind of an unfair comparison since HK has had a history and contemporary situation of being international versus even Shanghai and other parts of China.

for Anthony Wong and Karen Mok, the fact that they can speak accentless Cantonese is a big advantage for passing as full-blooded. and Anthony Wong is all about being Cantonese, too. when the Handover was approaching and they decided that schools in HK would teach "mother tongue", as in Mandarin, he said that HK's mother tongue is Cantonese, and questioned why kids should have to learn Mandarin.

Michael Wong, on the other hand, even though looks-wise he could pass for full-blooded, he can't pull off accentless Cantonese and so he always plays the mixed-race guy or the foreigner or the back-from-overseas guy. this is something that some full-blooded actors like Daniel Wu also has been stuck with on occasion.

drydem
09-26-2009, 11:11 PM
First, cute girl, second, I think three things are working against her.

1. She's half black and look black.
2. Her dad is not Chinese. Aside from the whole family name thing, I think a lot of Chinese people start to catch on to the whole foreigner men marrying Chinese women thing.
3. In combination with point 2, not only is her dad not Chinese, I would guess the relationship between her mom and dad didn't end well. Marriage and Sex in China is still very serous business, even worse since she's born out of wedlock.

I seems to recall there are a few famous hapa actress in the HK entertainment, I know all of them are mixed with white, would be curious to know how Caucasian they look and which parent was White.

PS. I have to agree with BillBlythe though, if her Dad was a white dude, and assuming the situation is near identical (ie, her dad hit and run), she would be treated much, much better.


Her mother's hard luck story reinforces the negative stereotype (that's I've heard before) that non-asian/foriegn men want sex but not especially good marriage material for for chinese/asian women and that interracial marriages are difficult because of different cultural expectations.


The Time's report seems extra quick to condemn Chinese society as xenophobic and racist. However, I am more incline to believe that Chinese society no more xenophobic or as racist as American Society. While many government agencies and media sources may work on affirmative action to make a more inclusive society - there will be always some pockets of society that will resist multi-culturalism and inclusion. Just as in China, There are some Americans who will be extra nasty to minorities. The Times story use of the reference of China as "The Middle Kingdom" attempts to protray China as medival and socially backwards - is often a common theme in the Times/CNN reporting of Chinese society so I am not surprise how the story is slanted. However, I do agree that some part of Han Society can be rather racist. The recent lynching of Ugher immigrant workers in Guangdong (accused of rape) reminded me of how white americans would lynch blacks in the deep South (USA circ. 1900-1960s). The subsequent "sympathy" riots by Uighur in Xinjing reminded me the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles....Every so often I am reminded that inn Han Society the only true chinese is mandarin - often to the detriment of any other *form* of being chinese ( or atleast what a white person recognize as being chinese).


The lack of a hapa entry for Chinese ethnic registry is very common among demographic system - before the 2000 Census, the US Survey had trouble determining whether what to classify a hapa. In fact, many survey (especially medical surveys) don't even include asian americans because they are not statistically significant. The chinese demographer have the same problem - with hapas and foriegners being so small in number - can they justify collecting the data? The Chinese ethnic registry is reflective of many "affirmative action" questionaires in the USA where certain ethnic groups in china have been identified for "affirmative action" policies.
:rolleyes:

mrcfo
09-26-2009, 11:59 PM
for Anthony Wong and Karen Mok, the fact that they can speak accentless Cantonese is a big advantage for passing as full-blooded. and Anthony Wong is all about being Cantonese, too. when the Handover was approaching and they decided that schools in HK would teach "mother tongue", as in Mandarin, he said that HK's mother tongue is Cantonese, and questioned why kids should have to learn Mandarin.

Michael Wong, on the other hand, even though looks-wise he could pass for full-blooded, he can't pull off accentless Cantonese and so he always plays the mixed-race guy or the foreigner or the back-from-overseas guy. this is something that some full-blooded actors like Daniel Wu also has been stuck with on occasion.

Wong somehow looks mixed to me, it's his eyes. Mok (Morrison), I totally admit looks full blood, I was kinda surprised, real surprised once I found out she was mixed after reading a magazine article.

Her dad looks fully Chinese as well though, maybe this is due to generations of Chinese marriages - which is kinda weird when you think about it, it is generally the other way around. She also spent her high school years in England and not HK.

Wu has virtually played supporting actor roles now, and moulded out of that typecast, maybe because his Chinese has improved? I actually find his Mandarin a lot better than the like of Louis Koos etc. Michael Wong is a lost case, but maybe he has no interest in improving his Chinese?

AngryABCGirl
09-26-2009, 11:59 PM
Michael Wong, on the other hand, even though looks-wise he could pass for full-blooded, he can't pull off accentless Cantonese and so he always plays the mixed-race guy or the foreigner or the back-from-overseas guy.

It would also help if he could act.

Wuwei
09-27-2009, 01:35 PM
It seems like people in China are more angry about the fact that she was born out of an affair while her mother was married to a man that was considered decently successful (manager at some plant). Apparently, the black father was never heard from again, and the Chinese husband raised the child until she was like 3 or 4, but eventually divorced because the socially stigma was just too much (raising another man's child or having a colored child or both?).

I have no doubt that there is a lot of racism involved however, but it's not the only factor.

monkeygone2
09-27-2009, 03:25 PM
It would also help if he could act.

he can't act in english-speaking roles, either.

luv
10-08-2009, 08:24 PM
I think she is quite pretty. Very unfortunate about people's attitudes and comments - too bad I don't understand mandarin.

http://shanghaiist.com/2009/09/03/videos_chocolate_girl_lou_jing_on_o_1.php

http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/shanghai-black-girl-lou-jing-racist-chinese-netizens/

BeTheReds
10-11-2009, 07:15 PM
Moving to Arts&Entertainment.

Charles_Liu
10-23-2009, 10:02 PM
These articles seem to have ommitted the san and rational comments in order to make the "racism in China" story. I mean the quotes are completely one-sided. I went on Chinese search engine and I found as many sympathic comments against racism:

“洪晃:我们凭什么歧视混血女孩娄婧” – “Hong Guan: what right do we have to discriminate against mixed blood girl Lou Jin”

“娄婧没有错,对娄母也应多宽容” – “Lou Jing is blameless, her mother deserves understanding too”

“看中国男人怎对娄婧母女发邪火” – “observing Chinese male-chovanism againt Lou mother-daughter”

“娄婧的呼声感人肺腑” – “Lou Jing’s appeal [to find father] moved me to the core”

“娄婧天使舞台证明自己和大家一样” – “Lou Jing’s stage presence proves she is the same as everyone”

“并不是因为她有着奥斯卡影后上海“哈利贝瑞”的称号。而是娄婧切身的故事” – “not because she resembles Halle Barry, but because of her life story”

“勿以肤色论英雄” – Shouldn’t judge by skin color

” “黑珍珠”娄婧证明自我” – “black pearl” Lou Jing proves self-worth

“娄婧比模特儿更美” – Lou Jing is more beautiful than models

“大家多谅解她吧” – people should cut her some slack

“娄婧是个小天使,这与她的肤色无关” – Lou Jing is an angel, matters not what skin color

“黑色只是普通的肤色” – Black is but a normal skin color

“很佩服你的勇气” - I admire your [Lou Jing's] courage

“自认为一番高论的鸟语,首先让我感到你真丢我们炎黄子孙的脸” - your [racist] self-righteous BS made me feel you’ve lost face for all Chinese

“应该让我们所有的人值得同情” - they deserve all our sympathy

SunWuKong
11-12-2009, 06:51 AM
here's a recent NPR article about her. most of the article is info that's already been reported in older articles, but it also has a couple of updates:

For now, Lou is still on TV, guest-hosting a variety show showcasing different regional dialects. It's a job she had lined up before her appearance on Oriental Angel, she says. Since then, she hasn't had a single work offer — no advertising contracts or modeling jobs, either.

Her dream is of escape. She wants to study journalism at Columbia University. She believes the lack of knowledge about racism in China is such that many people didn't even realize their comments were discriminatory or hurtful. But for her, the world suddenly seems a different place.

"I've always thought of myself as Shanghainese," Lou says. "But after the competition, I started to have doubts about who I really am."

For the show's producers, putting Lou under the spotlight may have been a clever ploy to boost ratings. But the fallout has been painful: Her mother has stopped working, and when asked if she regrets appearing on the show, Lou replies: "If you beat me to death, I wouldn't take part in that competition again."
on a side note: the article was written by Louisa Lim. i used to read her articles on BBC (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=16914) and i've been wondering where she disappeared to. apparently she's been working for NPR since 2006.

sandra
11-12-2009, 07:15 AM
what's up with the name of the show?

i don't know about china, but in hk, just about half of the contestants of miss hk were always mixed.

SunWuKong
11-12-2009, 07:33 AM
what's up with the name of the show?

i don't know about china, but in hk, just about half of the contestants of miss hk were always mixed.

what? no. there have been a few, but not nearly as many as half. but there are plenty in the Miss Chinese International competitions.

the English name of the show is basically a direct translation of the Chinese name - 加油!東方天使

popculturepooka
11-13-2009, 04:30 PM
^ Are they mostly white/asian mixes?

SunWuKong
11-13-2009, 08:53 PM
^ Are they mostly white/asian mixes?

the ones in Miss HK have all been white/Chinese mixes, i think. the ones in Miss Chinese International are mostly Chinese mixed with a Southeast Asian ethnicity, but i don't think they ever win.