Criteria to qualify as "Asian"

[thaite]

I don't think she's Eurasian.

She is cute, though.

[Sunflare]

I don't think she's Eurasian.

She is cute, though.

I wasn't sure either but information from several sources confirms that she's an Eurasian. Barack Obama and Maya Soetoro-Ng both have the same mother who goes by the name Ann Dunham who is a white American. Maya Soetoro-Ng's father Lolo Soetoro is Indonesian. Together they had their daughter Maya who is currently married to a Chinese Canadian.

http://ari3f.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/31063810.jpg

[Yeahman]

I pictured Obama's mom to be an old fat white trailer trash type.
Maya looks Hispanic. Doesn't look Asian at all.
Young Obama wasn't so skinny.

[USCTrojanzNo1]

I pictured Obama's mom to be an old fat white trailer trash type.
Maya looks Hispanic. Doesn't look Asian at all.
Young Obama wasn't so skinny.

So in order for a person to be considered Asian, that person has to have an "Oriental" looking appearance, right? You're only an Asian if you have yellow skin, black hair, and slanted eyes, right?

Yeah, I guess that people like Maya are what we coin "quasi Asians." Quasi Asians technically come from the continent Asia or even have Oriental ancestry, but they don't look Asian at all. Examples of quasi Asians include Indians, Persians, hapas who look more white or Hispanic than Asian, and author Lisa See.

So we should only count those who actually LOOK Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Southeast Asian to be Asian, right?

Okay, got ya memo.

What about hispanic people? Many Hispanics have blonde hair and blue eyes, but they are identified as Hispanics. Actually, many Hispanics do not look like Mestizos (Mexicans of Native American descent) at all. White Hispanics and Mestizos are both Hispanic, even if the former look more European than the steeotypical "Mexican" look.

[Sunflare]

There are many hapas who look Hispanic rather than Asian, Caucasian, Afrocentric, etc. Trust me on this one.

[Craig]

So in order for a person to be considered Asian, that person has to have an "Oriental" looking appearance, right? You're only an Asian if you have yellow skin, black hair, and slanted eyes, right?

Yeah, I guess that people like Maya are what we coin "quasi Asians." Quasi Asians technically come from the continent Asia or even have Oriental ancestry, but they don't look Asian at all. Examples of quasi Asians include Indians, Persians, hapas who look more white or Hispanic than Asian, and author Lisa See.

So we should only count those who actually LOOK Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Southeast Asian to be Asian, right?

Okay, got ya memo.

What about hispanic people? Many Hispanics have blonde hair and blue eyes, but they are identified as Hispanics. Actually, many Hispanics do not look like Mestizos (Mexicans of Native American descent) at all. White Hispanics and Mestizos are both Hispanic, even if the former look more European than the steeotypical "Mexican" look.You didn't get the updated memo that appears to be what most Asians in America operate on. For instance, if somebody looks completely Asian, but is found out to be partially non-Asian, their acceptance is based upon social circumstances. For older model minority type Asians, that means for example another person that's an engineer would be accepted. However, in places like Cali, that would be particularly uncool, as that person might be considered a tool of the oppressor. However, in places like Cali (and similar cultural circumstances), the person that didn't even look remotely Asian would be fully accepted and promoted if they were an entertainment personality (actor, sports star, etc.).

[Yeahman]

Maya is as Asian as Obama is white.

So in order for a person to be considered Asian, that person has to have an "Oriental" looking appearance, right? You're only an Asian if you have yellow skin, black hair, and slanted eyes, right?

Yeah, I guess that people like Maya are what we coin "quasi Asians." Quasi Asians technically come from the continent Asia or even have Oriental ancestry, but they don't look Asian at all. Examples of quasi Asians include Indians, Persians, hapas who look more white or Hispanic than Asian, and author Lisa See.

So we should only count those who actually LOOK Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Southeast Asian to be Asian, right?

Okay, got ya memo.
You got it. That's exactly what I said.

What about hispanic people? Many Hispanics have blonde hair and blue eyes, but they are identified as Hispanics. Actually, many Hispanics do not look like Mestizos (Mexicans of Native American descent) at all. White Hispanics and Mestizos are both Hispanic, even if the former look more European than the steeotypical "Mexican" look.
Then they should be considered quasi-human.

[J Honcanese]

I love how there's an ongoing feud about how "Asian" an Asian person needs to look to be considered Asian. Even we Asians have stereotypes about ourselves.

Growing up in HK, I generally got a lot of comments questioning my "Chineseness" because of my surname and the way I looked. In my experience, those words and the implicit "you're not Asian enough to be fully Asian" attitude never did any good, so I think the best attitude to adopt would be an all-inclusive one.

If you're part-Asian then you're still Asian, full stop.

[nameless]

^That's dangerous thinking too, though. You'll get Lisa See types trying to cash in on a heritage / community they really have nothing to do with. It's a matter of conduct. And even though I wouldn't vote for Obama, it's good to see there is an effort made instead of pulling a race card for an automatic Asian vote.

[Yeahman]

If you're part-Asian then you're still Asian, full stop.
So is Obama white since he's part white?

[thaite]

yup.

[USCTrojanzNo1]

You didn't get the updated memo that appears to be what most Asians in America operate on. For instance, if somebody looks completely Asian, but is found out to be partially non-Asian, their acceptance is based upon social circumstances. For older model minority type Asians, that means for example another person that's an engineer would be accepted. However, in places like Cali, that would be particularly uncool, as that person might be considered a tool of the oppressor. However, in places like Cali (and similar cultural circumstances), the person that didn't even look remotely Asian would be fully accepted and promoted if they were an entertainment personality (actor, sports star, etc.).

OK. That's cool.

^That's dangerous thinking too, though. You'll get Lisa See types trying to cash in on a heritage / community they really have nothing to do with. It's a matter of conduct. And even though I wouldn't vote for Obama, it's good to see there is an effort made instead of pulling a race card for an automatic Asian vote.

Yeah, Lisa See makes me laugh. She talks about being proud of her Chinese heritage, but her novels have some of the most ridiculous -- and downright blatant -- Chinese stereotypes I've read.

So is Obama white since he's part white?

Technically, Obama IS White (part White). But he looks more Black than White and he probably identifies with his Black heritage more, but yes he is White.

Just like Korean hapa Daniel Henney is White (part White) even though he looks more Asian than White (not the best example, but one I just pulled out of my butt).

[Sunflare]

I love how there's an ongoing feud about how "Asian" an Asian person needs to look to be considered Asian. Even we Asians have stereotypes about ourselves.

Growing up in HK, I generally got a lot of comments questioning my "Chineseness" because of my surname and the way I looked. In my experience, those words and the implicit "you're not Asian enough to be fully Asian" attitude never did any good, so I think the best attitude to adopt would be an all-inclusive one.

If you're part-Asian then you're still Asian, full stop.^That's dangerous thinking too, though. You'll get Lisa See types trying to cash in on a heritage / community they really have nothing to do with. It's a matter of conduct. And even though I wouldn't vote for Obama, it's good to see there is an effort made instead of pulling a race card for an automatic Asian vote.So is Obama white since he's part white?Technically, Obama IS White (part White). But he looks more Black than White and he probably identifies with his Black heritage more, but yes he is White.

Just like Korean hapa Daniel Henney is White (part White) even though he looks more Asian than White (not the best example, but one I just pulled out of my butt).

From looking at this post from J Honcanese, I think that he is looking at the hapa identity issue subjectively. He is just being assertive about identifying himself as an Asian despite the fact that he himself is a hapa that does not exactly look Asian in the eyes of other monoracial people who are ignorant of identity issues concerning persons of mixed Asian descent. He mentioned that people constantly question his 'Chineseness' based on his appearance since he may not have prominent Asian features and because of his surname.

I'm not sure 100% but I think that's what he meant when he made that comment guys.

Bottom line: We should let the individual mullatto or hapa decide for him or herself how they should identify themselves. They are under enough pressure as it is from society when it comes to how they should identity themselves based on skin color and bodily features in itself rather than how they wish to be identified as for themselves, asindividuals.

[USCTrojanzNo1]

From looking at this post from J Honcanese, I think that he is looking at the hapa identity issue subjectively. He is just being assertive about identifying himself as an Asian despite the fact that he himself is a hapa that does not exactly look Asian in the eyes of other monoracial people who are ignorant of identity issues concerning persons of mixed Asian descent. He mentioned that people constantly question his 'Chineseness' based on his appearance since he may not have prominent Asian features and because of his surname.

I'm not sure 100% but I think that's what he meant when he made that comment guys.

Bottom line: We should let the individual mullatto or hapa decide for him or herself how they should identify themselves. They are under enough pressure as it is from society when it comes to how they should identity themselves based on skin color and bodily features in itself rather than how they wish to be identified as for themselves, asindividuals.

I think that's exactly what he's saying, and I think you're on point.

Ultimately, it is up to the individual to decide what heritage they identify with more and what heritage has influenced their life more. just like I was born in America so American culture has a stronger influence on me, but I also identify with my Chinese roots -- though I acknowledge that my Mandarin could be a lot better.

I respect whatever identity a person chooses to accept and embrace. Unfortunately, society is born judgmental and these judgments could also negatively impact one's outlook of life and one's own sense of identity and worth.

Not to sound like a banal Hallmark card, but really, take the time to learn about your heritage and see what makes you comfortable. What you look like on the outside is not nearly as important as the person you are inside.

[Dimeron]

You'll get Lisa See types trying to cash in on a heritage / community they really have nothing to do with.

I just wikied her.

Does she seriously claim to be Chinese American?

[USCTrojanzNo1]

I just wikied her.

Does she seriously claim to be Chinese American?

Yup, I'm sure you're familiar with the whole "one drop" rule. :rolleyes: But seriously, if Lisa See were adopted (her adoptive parents were Chinese), than I can understand b/c she would likely be more intimately familiar with Chinese culture.

Did you know that Spike Lee is also part Asian? His last name is Lee after all, and he bonded with Ang Lee while both were film students at NYU.

Hell, even Keanu Reeves is more Asian than Lisa See, and Keanu seldom discusses about his Asian heritage, if at all.

[SunWuKong]

Hell, even Keanu Reeves is more Asian than Lisa See, and Keanu seldom discusses about his Asian heritage, if at all.

see, just because Keanu Reeves seldom, if at all, recognises his Asian ancestry, which is the exact opposite of how Lisa See is, personally i see Lisa See as "more Asian" than Keanu Reeves.

i've only read the prefaces of her other books, and they do read like she's peddling exotic Oriental culture to her readers. but her first book, On Gold Mountain, is a pretty good narrative of Chinese American family history. i mean, shit, what has Keanu done for Asian Americanism?

[J Honcanese]

From looking at this post from J Honcanese, I think that he is looking at the hapa identity issue subjectively. He is just being assertive about identifying himself as an Asian despite the fact that he himself is a hapa that does not exactly look Asian in the eyes of other monoracial people who are ignorant of identity issues concerning persons of mixed Asian descent. He mentioned that people constantly question his 'Chineseness' based on his appearance since he may not have prominent Asian features and because of his unusual surname.

I'm not sure 100% but I think that's what he meant when he made that comment guys.Gah...... I should've clarified this in my earlier post...

I'm not actually a hapa (both my parents are Chinese) but I was often mistaken for one - and still am occasionally. To make matters more complicated, my surname looks white even though it's actually Chinese from the Toisan dialect. When my dad was in high school he had the nickname "ga gwailo", or "fake Westerner" on account of his unusual surname.

Growing up it was incredibly frustrating for me to try and identify myself as an Asian when most Asians around me thought and expressed the opposite. Heck, even my own parents told me that "I didn't really look Chinese".

When such key parts of your identity - your face and your name - are questioned by your own people (as they were in my case), then who can you identify yourself with? Deep down I know full well that I'm a full-blooded Asian, but I think my own personal experience has taught me to understand something of the identity issues that hapas generally face. There's quite a lot that I can relate to in the realm of the hapa experience even though I'm technically a monoracial. But that's for another thread.

[Sunflare]

Gah...... I should've clarified this in my earlier post...

I'm not actually a hapa (both my parents are Chinese) but I was often mistaken for one - and still am occasionally. To make matters more complicated, my surname looks white even though it's actually Chinese from the Toisan dialect. When my dad was in high school he had the nickname "ga gwailo", or "fake Westerner" on account of his unusual surname.

Growing up it was incredibly frustrating for me to try and identify myself as an Asian when most Asians around me thought and expressed the opposite. Heck, even my own parents told me that "I didn't really look Chinese".

When such key parts of your identity - your face and your name - are questioned by your own people (as they were in my case), then who can you identify yourself with? Deep down I know full well that I'm a full-blooded Asian, but I think my own personal experience has taught me to understand something of the identity issues that hapas generally face. There's quite a lot that I can relate to in the realm of the hapa experience even though I'm technically a monoracial. But that's for another thread.

Oh okay, gotcha, J Honcanese. Now I understand.

One of my ex-girlfriends had a similar problem with her surname. She was originally born in China with a Chinese surname but whe she came to the U.S. her name got messed up by immigration officials and she ended up with a surname that looks exactly like an American name. Everybody assumed she was hapa when she was not. ( I don't know how because she was clearly monoracial from the way she looks in appearance )

Anyway, nethertheless, I can fully relate to your difficulties concerning your struggles with your identity being questioned by others. But yeah, let's leave that for another thread. Maybe I'll create a thread in the appropriate forum and talk about it sometime.

[Paradox]

Very interesting article about Obama's sister. I heard he had some asian blood somewhere in the family but I didn't know it was his half-sister. I don't know how much of a difference this will make but I think it's significant in my view. His cross cultural appeal outside the black/white spectrum has improved dramatically in my eyes. It's even more convincing because obviously he is pretty close with his sister and they have a very multiracial family and his brother in law is Chinese-Canadian.

That's as multi-racial as you can get.


Also, what the fuck is going on with Lisa See? I see a red headed white woman.

[AngryABCGirl]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but she's married to a Chinese Canadian guy:

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2008/06/18/f-ng-cp-2944995.jpg

[kimpossible]

Also, what the fuck is going on with Lisa See? I see a red headed white woman.

I've already ranted all I'm going to rant about her so I'll stick to adding some outmarriage timeline perspective. Everyone can use their own internet time to decide for themselves whether to continue the rant.

Lisa See is 1/8 Chinese 7/8 Caucasian. She refers to herself as Chinese-American and also her children (1/16 Chinese 15/16 Caucasian) as Chinese-American.

That's like me at 1/4 Asian marrying and breeding with a white male to make a 1/8 Asian 7/8 Caucasian daughter who then marries and breeds with a white male producing children that are 1/16 Asian 15/16 Caucasian.

By Lisa See math, my 1/8 Japanese son is Japanese-American despite the fact that he's also 1/2 Chinese. Oh, that would also make me supremely Japanese. Look for my forthcoming book, everyone. Don't worry as I will pimp out a hyphenated Western-Eastern name to cash in on sales.

But to warn you about railing against Her Holiness See, she's been embraced pretty hard in Cali and is nigh untouchable. Good luck.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but she's married to a Chinese Canadian guy:

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2008/06/18/f-ng-cp-2944995.jpg

Yeah. Well, at least I knew about him and always wonder why he's never speaking up about Asian interest in Obama. Maybe because he's Canadian? If he still is.

[Paradox]

But to warn you about railing against Her Holiness See, she's been embraced pretty hard in Cali and is nigh untouchable. Good luck.



This is why I have little faith in the APA community. When obvious charlatans like this can sell books then anyone can trumpet some bullshit point of view and claim they're representing Asian-Americans. Why she wasn't called out on this i'll never know but I think I know the reason why. It's similar to why frauds like Amy Tan continue to peddle their warez to colleges under the guise of APA studies. It's all bunk. Talk about selling out the culture piecemeal. Pathetic.

[deez nuts]

Still doesn't change the fact that Obama hates China and Chinese people or at the very least is scapegoating China for his own political agenda because we all know it's not really a campaign if you don't have scapegoats. Uniting whites and blacks aka America towards a common enemy, China and Chinese people.

His halfie half sister with her full blooded Chinese Canadian husband (and dear god is he rocking a pony tail?) and that hapa kid of theirs really doesn't sway my opinion of B.O. Though I would recruit her husband for the APIA aware homies club without the ponytail.

[raacluse]

His halfie half sister with her full blooded Chinese Canadian husband (and dear god is he rocking a pony tail?) and that hapa kid of theirs really doesn't sway my opinion of B.O. Though I would recruit her husband for the APIA aware homies club without the ponytail.

Saw him sans ponytail at a conference last April. He told the audience that his parents came from Sabah (a Malaysian state on the island of Borneo)!

[draconisz]

So is Obama white since he's part white?

:)

Shouldn't you ask "White" people that question? Aren't they the ones with opinions on who should be "White" and who should not be?

Kind of like your opinion on Obama's sister. It's your decision. Not much she or any other "non-Asian" can do about it.

[Sunflare]

^ Hey, sup dude!!! Nice to hear from you. It's been awhile.

[draconisz]

:smile:

Yeah, I had to take a break. I am doing all right. How are you guys doing? For awhile, it was like a lot of the threads were going dead.

[Sunflare]

^ Been like that in almost all the APA sites actually. I think the whole momentum of the APA movement has been slowing down in general really. Not a good thing. One of the problems is that people are just too busy just trying to make ends meet let alone keep up with their posts and blog entries on all the APA sites on the web to keep that momentum going. This problem was discussed in a blog entry on falloutcentral.com awhile back in regards to why one of the annual APA film festivals was shut down after a long period of success.

[draconisz]

^ Been like that in almost all the APA sites actually. I think the whole momentum of the APA movement has been slowing down in general really. Not a good thing. One of the problems is that people are just too busy just trying to make ends meet let alone keep up with their posts and blog entries on all the APA sites on the web to keep that momentum going. This problem was discussed in a blog entry on falloutcentral.com awhile back in regards to why one of the annual APA film festivals was shut down after a long period of success.

Don't worry. Racism always has a way of creating that spark. Once you get that bite in the butt, you keep moving for awhile.

:)

[Yeahman]

Shouldn't you ask "White" people that question? Aren't they the ones with opinions on who should be "White" and who should not be?
I ask the person who makes the claim.

Kind of like your opinion on Obama's sister. It's your decision. Not much she or any other "non-Asian" can do about it.
It was my decision to make her look non-Asian? OK there...

[BeTheReds]

Ridiculous.

She's doing so much good for the community, and all people can do is debate whether she deserves to be called Asian or not. Please see the bigger picture...

[j&j2]

Just like Korean hapa Daniel Henney is White (part White) even though he looks more Asian than White (not the best example, but one I just pulled out of my butt).

Speaking of Henney, even tho he was treated as Asian during his childhood (kids would taunt him b/c of his Asian features), he kept thinking that he was "white".

It wasn't until he went to Asia to model that he "discovered" himself.

[Sunflare]

Ridiculous.

She's doing so much good for the community, and all people can do is debate whether she deserves to be called Asian or not. Please see the bigger picture...

I sort of foresaw how the discussion would have turned out. That was exactly why I decided not to post this thread in the Hello Hapas forum like I originally was planning to do in the first place. I'm a bit disappointed at the fact that I was correct: That some people will have minor debates over Maya Soetoro-Ng and her dual ethnicity instead of focusing on her achievements in supporting the APA community, but not suprised.

I don't blame you. You have every right to be angry over how things turned out here.

[j&j2]

^ I don't see what the big deal is.

It's not like Soetoro-Ng is 1/8 Asian - she is half and that's plenty enough for me.

[Sunflare]

^ I don't see what the big deal is.

It's not like Soetoro-Ng is 1/8 Asian - she is half and that's plenty enough for me.

Nothing personal. I did'nt have you in mind at all. Or anybody really.

It just comes back to the fact that when hapas are put in the spotlight, everyone seems to focus more on our dual ethnicities rather than who we are as individuals.

Like how non white monoracial persons are prejudged based on their race rather then who they are as individuals with aspirations, goals, desires, and distinct personalities. As persons in other words.

I'm not certainly outraged or offended by anyone here in any way. Why should I ? Nobody's perfect. I said things much more imflamatory then alot of people here on occasion, with much regrets.

I'm just telling it as it is. That's all. BeTheReds comment happened to be the icebreaker in this discussion and I'm reinforcing it. This is going into completely different subject altogether, so I'll leave it at that.

[draconisz]

I ask the person who makes the claim.


It was my decision to make her look non-Asian? OK there...

???? Your decide the criteria for your conclusion. With some its about "looks". With others, it might be something different.

But whatever it is. . .it is an Asian thing.

As for Obama, I think "Blacks" and "Whites" have already spoken.

[Yeahman]

???? Your decide the criteria for your conclusion. With some its about "looks". With others, it might be something different.

But whatever it is. . .it is an Asian thing.
What other criterion besides looks would I use to determine what a person looks like? And how is that an Asian thing?

[Yeahman]

What has Maya done for "the community"?

And what is the "bigger picture" I should see? The big picture I see is that Obama isn't very good for Asians but he's willing to use race (in this case his half Asian sister) to attempt to cover up his deficient policies.

Maya's race is relevant in that she and Obama are using it. She calls herself a "hybrid." Did she share the Asian-American experience? If not, what makes her any more qualified to speak to APA interests than McCain who has spent more time in Asia than she has?

[Dimeron]

What has Maya done for "the community"?

And what is the "bigger picture" I should see? The big picture I see is that Obama isn't very good for Asians but he's willing to use race (in this case his half Asian sister) to attempt to cover up his deficient policies.

Maya's race is relevant in that she and Obama are using it. She calls herself a "hybrid." Did she share the Asian-American experience? If not, what makes her any more qualified to speak to APA interests than McCain who has spent more time in Asia than she has?

To be fair, she did marry an Asian (Canadian) dude, and her Dad is Asian, so at least her family can be considered Asian family (sorta).

Its a long stretch I know.

[Yeahman]

Plus, even if she is sympathetic to APA issues, what does that have to do with Obama? McCain has an Asian daughter. Strom Thurmond had a black daughter. Isn't this the same as the old "I'm not racist. I'm 1/64 Cherokee" line? "I'm pro-Asian. My half-sister is half-Asian!" It's unacceptable when used by whites but touted as a great asset when used by Obama?

[draconisz]

What other criterion besides looks would I use to determine what a person looks like? And how is that an Asian thing?

??????

You mean that every other group uses the same criterion you do, right? Not every group decides membership based on looks. In America, especially.

As for Asians/Asian-Americans, that is their prerogative. They can decide anyway they wish, be it as a group or a collection of individuals. But I hardly think they are all in agreement on the criteria.

Plus, even if she is sympathetic to APA issues, what does that have to do with Obama? McCain has an Asian daughter. Strom Thurmond had a black daughter. Isn't this the same as the old "I'm not racist. I'm 1/64 Cherokee" line? "I'm pro-Asian. My half-sister is half-Asian!" It's unacceptable when used by whites but touted as a great asset when used by Obama?

I am not sure of what your point is. Are you saying that McCain can't use his Asian daughter?

It's just politics, man.

[Yeahman]

You mean that every other group uses the same criterion you do, right? Not every group decides membership based on looks. In America, especially.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that every other group uses looks to determine what someone looks like. I know I'm not the only one because Maya said so. She said that she's usually mistaken for Hispanic.

[draconisz]

Yes, I'm pretty sure that every other group uses looks to determine what someone looks like. I know I'm not the only one because Maya said so. She said that she's usually mistaken for Hispanic.

??????

What does Tiger Woods look like?

[Yeahman]

^ Black.

[Sunflare]

Now I have to more than agree with many of the posters here, this thread has turned to total shit. But hey, whatever the mods and other YW members want to do. All I did was post the article and clarified some things on her family background in the hopes that the discussion would progress and not digress the way that it did.

As far as I'm concerned Soetoro-Ng is an Asian American of mixed descent (like myself among other people) who is indeed making a contribution to the APA community and that's that. End of story. What is there to argue about ? There seems to be a falsely skewed intepretation on hapas and identity that some people here insists on focusing on when it comes to this Asian American female or any prominent and successful Asian American of mixed descent for that matter whether the person is involved in politics, sports or entertainment and what have you.

The fact that she is a supporter of Obama Barack and his advances in politics is only part of her overall achievements as an prominent Asian American woman with alot of potential to do much good towards the advancement of APAs in politics. The fact that she is a hapa and whether she's 'Asian' or not is besides the damn point. It's decent to discuss this thing about her heritage, but to fight over this bullshit for five pages ? C'mon already.

So really, I don't see the point of this debate.

[Yeahman]

Sunflare, again I ask what Maya has done for the APA community.

[Sunflare]

What have YOU ( or myself for that matter, or anyone else here on this site ) done for the Asian community Yeahman ? Hypothetical question. You dont have to answer to it.

The point is that here we have Soetoro-Ng, an everyday Asian American, lovely lady at that, married to a successful CBC man, who is high-school teacher who teaches at a local school for girls in Hawaii. Also instructing night classes at the University of Hawaii. For a regular Asian American citizen that is a very large achievement on her part, a large contribution she is making to American society, and a huge contribution to the positive image of the APA community. That in itself speaks volumes.

The fact that she is involved in politics to an extent by being supportive to Obama Barack in his presidential run, which she ought to be doing, since they are brother and sister is also something that is noteworthy and deserving of praise. Her accomplishments may not be earthshattering but is nethertheless bringing out further a positive image of the hard working APA and their influence on others. I think even most hardcore of McCain supporters will have to admit that.

[rice cracker]

She's half Asian? Then she's Asian. End of fucking discussion.

[Yeahman]

She's half Asian? Then she's Asian. End of fucking discussion.
What if she was 1/64 Asian?

[rice cracker]

What if she was 1/64 Asian?

What if we all orginated in Africa and are therefore black?! Be careful, your bias is showing.

[eos]

Can someone post a list so I can see if I'm 100% Asian? Also, this would help me separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. I need to make sure I hang out with only 100% pure Asian people.

[rice cracker]

Can someone post a list so I can see if I'm 100% Asian? Also, this would help me separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. I need to make sure I hang out with only 100% pure Asian people.

PM Yeahman, he seems to be the authority on this subject.

More serious note: I am profoundly offended by some of the attitudes I am seeing, and as co-mod of the hapas forum I will not hesitate to close this thread and delete it all to shit. You fucks.

[Yeahman]

What if we all orginated in Africa and are therefore black?! Be careful, your bias is showing.
Black and African aren't synonymous. What bias? I have nothing to hide. Ask me and I'll tell you outright.

PM Yeahman, he seems to be the authority on this subject.
You also seem to be an authority seeing that you are authoritatively saying that I'm wrong.

[rice cracker]

Glad to see you're not hiding how biased you are.

I'm closing this thread. It's been and will continue to be Yeahman parading his signature pedantry in the guise of debate and I for one am too disgusted to allow it to happen.