Which Eurasian can pass for Asian?

[Jimmyboi]

I'm curious to know if you find that these celebs look MORE Asian, White or mixed? And which ones can pass as a full-blooded Asian?



IMO:

Carl Ng: looks asian, can pass for full Asian.
Maggie Q: looks white
Karen Mok, looks asian, can pass for full Asian
Anthony Wong: looks asian, can pass for full Asian.
Daniel Henney: looks Asian, can pass for full Asian.
Dennis Oh: looks Asian, can pass for full Asian.
Denon Aoki, looks mixed, can pass for full Asian.
Kristen Kreuk: looks more white
Russel Wong: looks mixed
John Lone: looks Asian, can pass for full Asian.

1) Carl Ng

http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/images/people/header/carl_ng_94ec72883612e91965bb847dd2bd9deb.jpg

2) Maggie Q

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/maggie-q/pictures/maggie-q-picture-1.jpg

3) Karen Mok

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-07/19/xin_4507011514508331227922.jpg

4) Anthony Wong

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_independent/the_painted_veil/anthony_wong/veil.jpg

5) Daniel Henney

http://ent.tom.com/img/assets/200607/047_1152697317.jpg

6) Dennis Oh

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ent/v/j/2007-01-23/U1345P28T3D1422134F326DT20070123120314.jpg

7) Devon Aoki

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/2162274.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0ED0DDB140369D2D568 5A5397277B4DC33E

8) Kristen Kreuk

http://www.freshdames.com/images/uploads/kristin_kreuk_2.jpg

9) Russell Wong

http://www.chssc.org/honorees/2006/russellwong.jpg

10) John Lone

http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/images/people/header/john-

[USCTrojanzNo1]

I'm curious to know if you find that these celebs look MORE Asian, White or mixed? And which ones can pass as a full-blooded Asian?



IMO:

Carl Ng: looks asian, can pass for full Asian.
Maggie Q: looks white
Karen Mok, looks asian, can pass for full Asian
Anthony Wong: looks asian, can pass for full Asian.
Daniel Henney: looks Asian, can pass for full Asian.
Dennis Oh: looks Asian, can pass for full Asian.
Denon Aoki, looks mixed, can pass for full Asian.
Kristen Kreuk: looks more white
Russel Wong: looks mixed
John Lone: looks Asian, can pass for full Asian.

1) Carl Ng

http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/images/people/header/carl_ng_94ec72883612e91965bb847dd2bd9deb.jpg

2) Maggie Q

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/maggie-q/pictures/maggie-q-picture-1.jpg

3) Karen Mok

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-07/19/xin_4507011514508331227922.jpg

4) Anthony Wong

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_independent/the_painted_veil/anthony_wong/veil.jpg

5) Daniel Henney

http://ent.tom.com/img/assets/200607/047_1152697317.jpg

6) Dennis Oh

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ent/v/j/2007-01-23/U1345P28T3D1422134F326DT20070123120314.jpg

7) Devon Aoki

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/2162274.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0ED0DDB140369D2D568 5A5397277B4DC33E

8) Kristen Kreuk

http://www.freshdames.com/images/uploads/kristin_kreuk_2.jpg

9) Russell Wong

http://www.chssc.org/honorees/2006/russellwong.jpg

10) John Lone

http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/images/people/header/john-

I agree with all, except for Russell Wong and Anthony Wong. The former looks more Chinese to me while the latter looks more mixed.

Devon Aoki looks more Pacific Islander to me than Asian.

There's also Korean Eurasian actor Eric Steinberg (TV soap opera actor) who looks more Asian than white.

And there's underrated actor Ian Anthony Dale who also looks more Asian than white (though he's also played a couple of Latinos).

[Sunflare]

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/maggie-q/pictures/maggie-q-picture-1.jpg

I think Maggie Q is the hottest chick out of the list. . . . :pauses:

:slaps self in face:

Shit. I missed the whole point of the thread. Dammit.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I think they can all pretty much pass for full-Asian, in that even though many of them clearly look mixed (because they are), if they told me they were full-blooded I wouldn't really care to question it. Funny the OP said Maggie Q looks white. I think she looks more Asian than most of the people on the list.

[BeTheReds]

Hapa celebs... ugh..

[SunWuKong]

Absolutely. The hapas who actually do get the good acting roles are always the ones who can speak fluent Cantonese - like Anthony Wong and Karen Mok. And personally I think it helps a bit if they look more Asian than European. I'm sure it's been brought up before but Karen Mok's actual name is Karen Joy Morris - for her acting and singing careers she's had to adopt a more 'local' surname to cater to the HK masses. Similarly, Pan-Asian pop singer Janice Vidal (1/2 Filipino, 1/4 Korean, 1/4 Chinese) has gone by the Chinese name "Wei Lan" to fit into the local entertainment scene.

In HK the Eurasian beauty myth is as strong as ever. Every time I've gone back I've noticed increasing numbers of hapas on bilboards and TV commercials, especially the ones selling the newest cameras and phones. I was in the electronics section of a local department store once and all the posters were of hapas in swimming trunks and the like. Exoticisation? Oh, most definitely.

well, i should mention there have been a few exceptions, notabily Maggie Q and Michael Wong. both of them speak horrible Cantonese, but have managed to become movies stars in HK. Michael Wong was much more typecasted than Maggie Q though, but that could be because he came from an older era in HK film.

but you know, as far as Anthony Wong and Karen Mok are concerned, i mean, those two are local HKers through and through. combined with the fact that they can easily pass as full-blooded, especially Karen Mok, it's not a surprise they are easily accepted by HKers as one of their own.

[j&j2]

Russell Wong looks as Asian as Daniel Henney (which is why Hollywood relegated him to "Asian" roles, unlike someone like Keanu Reeves).

The thing that gets me is that a lot of people think hapas are good-looking b/c they are half/part white - which is same reason why many people think that good-looking Asians such as Kim Sung-soo, Oh Ji-ho, Takeshi Kaneshiro, etc. are "part white" (but then again, that's what you get from Hollywood conditioning).

And speaking of Keanu - there's a recent interview which pretty much sums up Keanu's view of himself.

Keanu's first big break came in a hockey flick shot in Canada called Youngblood (1986). Reeves played the French-Canadian goalie of a Canadian Junior League team to star Rob Lowe's troubled rookie. Not long after the movie wrapped, Keanu loaded up his aging Volvo and drove to Hollywood armed with $3,000 and the address of stepfather Paul Aaron.

At his manager's suggestion Keanu briefly changed his name to K.C. Reeves to avoid being typecast as an exotic. In any event Reeves's consciousness never seemed to have been burdened by questions of his actual ethnic heritage. He has described himself as "a bourgeois, middle-class white boy with an absent father, a strong-willed mother, and two beautiful younger sisters."

Maybe such an outlook has to do w/ the fact that his Hawaiian/Chinese father was a druggie and had abandoned him, but then again, maybe not.

[Jimmyboi]

Russell Wong looks as Asian as Daniel Henney (which is why Hollywood relegated him to "Asian" roles, unlike someone like Keanu Reeves).

The thing that gets me is that a lot of people think hapas are good-looking b/c they are half/part white - which is same reason why many people think that good-looking Asians such as Kim Sung-soo, Oh Ji-ho, Takeshi Kaneshiro, etc. are "part white" (but then again, that's what you get from Hollywood conditioning).


And speaking of Keanu - there's a recent interview which pretty much sums up Keanu's view of himself.



Maybe such an outlook has to do w/ the fact that his Hawaiian/Chinese father was a druggie and had abandoned him, but then again, maybe not.

Actually it goes both ways. Cause many hapas are good looking because they are PART ASIAN.

Takeshi is mixed (Taiwanese/ Japanese).

[eos]

hapas don't have to be mixed with WHITE to be good looking.

proof of that is takeshi. do some research before you look like an ass.

[Sunflare]

About time someone broke the ice. Actress Kelly Hu is another example. Part Hawaiian part Chinese:

http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/7/7/5/-/-/kelly_hu_kelly.jpg

And there's that hot R & B signer Amerie. Part Afro-American part Korean:

http://hiphop.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/amerie_29.jpg

[kimpossible]

Amerie's mother is Korean.

[Sunflare]

Fixed in above post.

[Sunflare]

Damn I hate when image links go dead like that. Here's another image of drop dead gorgeous Amerie from another thread (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=34539&highlight=secret+blasians):

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/singer/amerie/pictures/amerie-picture-1.jpg

[BillBlythe]

hapas don't have to be mixed with WHITE to be good looking.

proof of that is takeshi. do some research before you look like an ass.

what he meant was that takeshi and those other full asians are considered 'good looking' because there's a racial ambiguity about them. is oh ji ho part white? is takeshi part white? is that why he's good looking?

that's the usual line of thinking.

i admit, there's an unusual amount of asians with white parts mixed in who are super celebrities in asia.

[eos]

and what I'M saying is that WHITE is always the effin' norm when people see hapa/unusually good-looking people and think "hey, that's an abnormally good-looking person. maybe they have some WHITE in them."

you don't ever hear "hey, maybe they have some black in them" or "hey, i think takeshi is crazy handsome cuz he's japanese AND taiwanese."

in elementary school, my best friend was puerto-rican and chinese (pretty and still is) and another boy was black and chinese (like tyson beckford), very good-looking people.

[sandra]

^ Michael Wong baby.

is michael wong the brother of russell wong? i've been watching his movies since the 80's, and it amazes me how his cantonese has not improved at all. what's his problem?

btw, he's way hotter than russell wong.

[SunWuKong]

is michael wong the brother of russell wong?

yes they are brothers.

[Zdrav]

Takeshi is mixed (Taiwanese/ Japanese).

That's not mixed. That's just Asian.

Actually it goes both ways. Cause many hapas are good looking because they are PART ASIAN.

Great point.

i admit, there's an unusual amount of asians with white parts mixed in who are super celebrities in asia.

Jessica Alba and Johnny Depp are probably the two hottest female and male sex symbols in America, and both are clearly of mixed background. Has anyone considered the possibility that biracial people are popular because they're unique-looking and attractive, as opposed to some deep-seated societal self-esteem issues?

[Sunflare]

That's not mixed. That's just Asian.

Japanese and Tawainese persons are distinctly different in many ways of custom, culture language and physical appearance. Lets not throw all Asians into the 'oriental' category, like the rest of the non-Asians do.

Has anyone considered the possibility that biracial people are popular because they're unique-looking and attractive, as opposed to some deep-seated societal self-esteem issues?

You have a point about a persons natural fasination about the beauty of persons who are of bi racial descent, and that is a beautiful thing. . .

But did you ever think about this?

Why do you think so many Asian women undergo cosmetic surgery to match Caucasian or Eurasian facial features today?

Because the Caucasian woman is the falsified international standard of beauty. Everyone is striving unrealistically match that ideal.

Hapa ladies are pretty much born that way already with prominent Caucasian features. As a result, they are admired to a degree that I think is a bit overrated. They are popular because of the Eurasian 'exoticness' that they have.

Many pure Asian women carve up their faces to match that ideal standard of 'beauty' that Eurasian women have. Is that right? What? Meaning that they have to yield to the pressure that Eurasians are superior to other women of color? Is that justifiable?

Afro American women had the same problem. They waste hundreds of dollars on hair products to straighten their hair and so forth, undergoing cosmetic surgery to match this so called ideal standard of beauty.

What's wrong with kinky hair, it that some genetic flaw of nature? Full lips? Broad noses? Dark skin?

I know this Afro-American girl in my school. She sports dreads, she is dark skinned and so forth. In my opinion, I think she is a beautiful woman, with a gourgeous body and a beautiful smile. I see it that way, because I can see past this hype when it comes to feminine beauty.

I see unique aspects of true female beauty in black women, Asian women and Indian women alike as well as non-white biracial women. I refuse to to blinded by what society dictates to me as to what I should see as attractive in a woman. I wish many women would see themselves . . . .and other men of color the same way. I really do not find Caucasian women attractive. I never dated a Caucasian women and probably never will unless I am really attracted to her as a person because, I really just don't find white girls attractive.

Eos made a good observation. Hapas are getting very frequent attention in the media not just in Asia but in the western world too, because of their 'exoticness'. (for lack of a better word.) Becuase they better match this false standard of Caucasian beauty than pure Asian women, black women, Indian women and so forth.

Yes, many Eurasian women are beautiful, but just as many are butt ugly. Yet there are many other women of color that just as gorgeous if not even better looking then many of the Hapa girls out there.

The way I look at it, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

[mrcfo]

is michael wong the brother of russell wong? i've been watching his movies since the 80's, and it amazes me how his cantonese has not improved at all. what's his problem?

btw, he's way hotter than russell wong.

doesnt he have a HK-Chinese wife? Well he is a banana after all, what did you expect?

Edison Chen cant even write his own name in Chinese but I do admit, at least he can construct his own sentences when answering live to interviews in Mandarin and Cantonese...thats sort of impressive.

well, i should mention there have been a few exceptions, notabily Maggie Q and Michael Wong. both of them speak horrible Cantonese, but have managed to become movies stars in HK. Michael Wong was much more typecasted than Maggie Q though, but that could be because he came from an older era in HK film.

but you know, as far as Anthony Wong and Karen Mok are concerned, i mean, those two are local HKers through and through. combined with the fact that they can easily pass as full-blooded, especially Karen Mok, it's not a surprise they are easily accepted by HKers as one of their own.

Most people do not know Karen Mok is a halfie because she speaks fluent Cantonese and Mandarin. She's a brain though isn't she? Her dad looks full Chinese as well, it would be weird to look full Asian and have a

Anthony Wong is a product of a British sailor + Chinese mum, he looks fugly for a halfcast, I wonder how fluent his English is???

Maggie Q isnt even Chinese...her mum is Vietnamese....she's a vase...cant say she has good acting abilities/skills and basically eye candy fodder in most movies. Michael Wong...errr...see above.

[Zdrav]

Japanese and Tawainese persons are distinctly different in many ways of custom, culture language and physical appearance. Lets not throw all Asians into the 'oriental' category, like the rest of the non-Asians do.

Leonardo DiCaprio is of German/Italian descent. Is he mixed?

Why do you think so many Asian women undergo cosmetic surgery to match Caucasian or Eurasian facial features today?

It's not as if they're trying to obtain features that are wholly alien to Asians.

Hapas are getting very frequent attention in the media not just in Asia but in the western world too, because of their 'exoticness'. (for lack of a better word.) Becuase they better match this false standard of Caucasian beauty than pure Asian women, black women, Indian women and so forth.

Think of it this way: Hapas may be more White than most Asians, but they're more Asian than most Whites.

[SunWuKong]

Most people do not know Karen Mok is a halfie because she speaks fluent Cantonese and Mandarin. She's a brain though isn't she? Her dad looks full Chinese as well

yeah she's a very smart girl. supposedly she scored very high on her HKCEE (會考), one of the top scores city-wide.

Anthony Wong is a product of a British sailor + Chinese mum, he looks fugly for a halfcast, I wonder how fluent his English is???

how about you don't use the word "halfcast" from now on to describe mixed people. thanks.

[BillBlythe]

and what I'M saying is that WHITE is always the effin' norm when people see hapa/unusually good-looking people and think "hey, that's an abnormally good-looking person. maybe they have some WHITE in them."

you don't ever hear "hey, maybe they have some black in them" or "hey, i think takeshi is crazy handsome cuz he's japanese AND taiwanese."

in elementary school, my best friend was puerto-rican and chinese (pretty and still is) and another boy was black and chinese (like tyson beckford), very good-looking people.

okay but what HE'S saying is..

oh nevermind.

[sandra]

doesnt he have a HK-Chinese wife? Well he is a banana after all, what did you expect?

Edison Chen cant even write his own name in Chinese but I do admit, at least he can construct his own sentences when answering live to interviews in Mandarin and Cantonese...thats sort of impressive.

right. but i'm a "banana" too, and my cantonese improves year after year of speaking it to clients, etc. he's in hk, in movies, where he has to be practicing on a regular basis. and they don't cast him in tiny roles like maggie q or edison where they don't speak at all - he's been the male lead in some movies even with actresses like doodoo cheng. so wth? edison's chinese is way better than michael's.

anyhow, in response to the topic of this thread, i don't think it's really a myth. eurasians have a different look, so when they are attractive, i think it's very noticable. i'd have to say that many more eurasian models than actresses are attractive, though.

[Sunflare]

Leonardo DiCaprio is of German/Italian descent. Is he mixed?

Sure he is in a way. Italians have features that are very different from Germans. Germans are for the most part of Celtic or Germanic lineage, Italians of Mediterean, North African, or Middleeastern lineage from ancient times. Same thing with persons from Greece.

Consider Afro-Americans vs. Native Africans. A person with a keen eye can tell them apart a mile away. Many Afro-Americans carry Native American Hispanic or Caucasian roots whereas many Africans are pure.

But as long as you even have a minute drop of black in you, you are black.

It's not as if they're trying to obtain features that are wholly alien to Asians.

Right. It's not physically possible. Confirmed. Medical science doesnt have the technology yet to perform feats like that yet. Yes you are correct. No brainer. Sheesh.

Think of it this way: Hapas may be more White than most Asians, but they're more Asian than most Whites.

Say what? I don't get the thought pattern there. Well it happenned to other people on this forum before, posting while intoxicated (Yes, me too). Its all good.

Anyway, Many non Asian asiaphiles make this stupid mistake when it comes to identifying Eurasians or Afro Asians for that matter in some cases. They think that no matter what as long as a girl has the straight long hair and big 'oh so cute looking anime chick looking eyes' that they are pure Asian when they are not. They can look at Kristen Kreuk and think she is 'oriental' when she is Hapa. Gimmie a break.

Like Mr X stated in another thread, Asian (Hapa) fetish is like beer googles.

There are many vital points in my prior post you deliberately ignored because they hold merit. Interesting. . . .

[J Honcanese]

Most people do not know Karen Mok is a halfie because she speaks fluent Cantonese and Mandarin. She's a brain though isn't she? Her dad looks full Chinese as wellIt's interesting because if you look up Karen Mok's brother - director Trevor Morris - he looks very mixed. You almost wouldn't think that they were related. I've read that both their parents are Eurasians: their dad being 1/2 Chinese, 1/2 Welsh and their mom being 1/2 Chinese, 1/4 German and 1/4 Persian.

With Michael Wong I've been told that he actually speaks perfect Cantonese but that he fakes the accent in his acting roles. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but if it is it's basically what Yan does for his cooking show in the US to get more viewers.

[mrcfo]

right. but i'm a "banana" too, and my cantonese improves year after year of speaking it to clients, etc. he's in hk, in movies, where he has to be practicing on a regular basis. and they don't cast him in tiny roles like maggie q or edison where they don't speak at all - he's been the male lead in some movies even with actresses like doodoo cheng. so wth? edison's chinese is way better than michael's.

anyhow, in response to the topic of this thread, i don't think it's really a myth. eurasians have a different look, so when they are attractive, i think it's very noticable. i'd have to say that many more eurasian models than actresses are attractive, though.

He's probably shit at languages....I have some mates who have lived in Australia for well over 20 years yet they have poor written and oral skills. You would be forgiven for mistakenly think they arrived yesterday....and these doodes and doodettes were educated in English, have daily contact with native English speakers as well as being immersed in English medium.

Diverging from the original topic here, but to be frank, maybe he also doesnt respect the language/culture??? Amongst my extended family, my elder sister and I are the only ones who can read/speak/write Chinese and Vietnamese to a level decent enough to be considered "fluent"...not as great as natives but good enough for "bananas".

Some other cousins are totally whitewashed whilst others are too "honkie" - think that apart from English, Cantonese is the world's "other unofficial language" whilst they have no respect for Vietnamese because "it sounds shit" and that it's no use outside the country so they just cbf learning it.

I agree tho, he can barely string a full sentence in Chinese without the support/addition of one English word, it's that bad.

Btw, do you live in Hong Kong?

[SunWuKong]

some posts have been moved into this thread from another thread:
http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?p=539077

[Jimmyboi]

Leonardo DiCaprio is of German/Italian descent. Is he mixed?

Yes, Germans are germanic/nordic and have different facial features/ culture than Italians who are mediatrian.

It's not as if they're trying to obtain features that are wholly alien to Asians.

true, but they are considered beautifull because of the euro-centric standard of beauty.

Think of it this way: Hapas may be more White than most Asians, but they're more Asian than most Whites.

Depends, Anthony Wong, john lone are more CHINESE than Edison chen, daniel wu ever will be.

[Zdrav]

Sure he is in a way. Italians have features that are very different from Germans. Germans are for the most part of Celtic or Germanic lineage, Italians of Mediterean, North African, or Middleeastern lineage from ancient times. Same thing with persons from Greece.

We're talking in racial terms here. Is or is not Leonardo DiCaprio a White guy? If you break everyone down genetically, of course we're all mixed. There's no such thing as "pure Chinese" or "pure Japanese": that's just nationalistic propaganda.

Consider Afro-Americans vs. Native Africans. A person with a keen eye can tell them apart a mile away. Many Afro-Americans carry Native American Hispanic or Caucasian roots whereas many Africans are pure.

What do you mean "many Africans are pure"? You just said that a person like Leonardo was mixed because he was of Italian and German descent. You do realize that Africans also have ethnicities right (they tend to get into a lot of civil wars over that fact)?

But as long as you even have a minute drop of black in you, you are black.

Yes, according to the social definition of race in America. In a country like Brazil, however, your blackness depends on the lightness of your skin colour as well as your class and education.

Right. It's not physically possible. Confirmed. Medical science doesnt have the technology yet to perform feats like that yet. Yes you are correct. No brainer. Sheesh.

My point was that it wasn't as if Asians were seeking to obtain features that weren't already rather prevalent in their racial population. In other words, those seeking eyelid surgeries are trying to look like those other Asians that DO have those certain eyes. But I do agree that these features wouldn't be as prized if not for Western cultural imperialism.

Say what? I don't get the thought pattern there. Well it happenned to other people on this forum before, posting while intoxicated (Yes, me too). Its all good.

My point is that some Asians dislike the fact that Hapas are admired by all segments of the world's population because they somehow feel entitled to have their own racial beauty prized above all else. Let's say that Daniel Henney becomes the hottest leading man in America. Far from celebrating his success, some Asians would be bitter because Daniel's not full Asian. They'll say something like, "You see? White people will place only half-Asians at the top."

But the flip-side of that is that if White people proclaim Hapas to be the most beautiful, they are also admitting that Hapas are better than pure Whites as well (in addition to pure Asians). That's not such an offensive mindset, and is a pretty good compromise between the two races. But some Asians dislike Hapas because they'd rather have Whites worship full Asians in an act of racial revenge.

There are many vital points in my prior post you deliberately ignored because they hold merit. Interesting. .

Calm down, you're not THAT insightful. Just reiterate specifically what these meritorious points are and I'll comment on them.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

is michael wong the brother of russell wong? i've been watching his movies since the 80's, and it amazes me how his cantonese has not improved at all. what's his problem?

btw, he's way hotter than russell wong.

I'm not so sure better Cantonese skills would make a difference. It'd be great if he could just speak English (his native tongue) onscreen without sounding like he's reading straight from the script.

With Michael Wong I've been told that he actually speaks perfect Cantonese but that he fakes the accent in his acting roles. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but if it is it's basically what Yan does for his cooking show in the US to get more viewers.

That still doesn't explain the horrendous acting, unless he's faking that too and somehow he or his directors think that HK audiences are more drawn to whitewashed ABC hapa-types walking around in films looking clueless.

[J Honcanese]

That still doesn't explain the horrendous acting, unless he's faking that too and somehow he or his directors think that HK audiences are more drawn to whitewashed ABC hapa-types walking around in films looking clueless.I don't know about the horrendous acting because I haven't really seen him in any movies. Although he did start out as a model so I wouldn't be surprised if his acting just wasn't up to par.

The only time I've seen him on HK TV was when he did a very short stint in a typical cheesy Canto soap opera. He basically played an ABC hapa pretty boy (i.e. himself) who was a rival of one of the main characters for a woman's affections. It was classic typecasting: he doesn't get the woman in the end because she ends up falling in love with the HK guy and marrying him. Totally inspiring stuff. :rolleyes:

To be honest I think the directors threw him in there just for the hapa/ABC novelty factor.

[Sunflare]

We're talking in racial terms here. Is or is not Leonardo DiCaprio a White guy? If you break everyone down genetically, of course we're all mixed.

Leonardo Dicarprio is of Italian/German descent correct?. Again like I said many Italians are indeed mixed with traces of other ethnicities from Semitic persons from the Middle East, Celtic and Germanic tribes, Africans, and Mediterranean all who share distinct racial features that make them different in appearance from one another.

Some Italians don't even consider themselves white for that reason. Some.

There's no such thing as "pure Chinese" or "pure Japanese": that's just nationalistic propaganda.

Then why are you calling Leo DiCarpio a 'white guy'? From your above quote? Here let me quote it again:

We're talking in racial terms here. Is or is not Leonardo DiCaprio a White guy?

You are saying that there is no such thing as pure Japanese or pure Chinese, but that we are all mixed. You are saying that throwing all people into categorized races are the byproduct of nationalistic propaganda. Listen. That is exactly what I was saying in the first place. Even my custom signature on the bottom of each of my posts reflects that fact.

You should stop misconstruing my posts because you are just either repeating what I said or contradicting yourself.....


What do you mean "many Africans are pure"? You just said that a person like Leonardo was mixed because he was of Italian and German descent.

Yes true. there are some Africans who share different subtle physical features. Many North Africans are mixed with Semitic genes. There are African pygmies in certain areas of Africa who are small in body structure while some in other areas can be 7 feet tall sometimes.

BUT. . .

There are many Afro-Americans that are mixed with different ethnicities altogether. Mixed with Caucasian, Native Indian, Hispanic or Asian blood from generations past during the early days of America.

The situation is similar with Afro Carribeans and Afro-Hispanics.

That is not the case in Africa. There is a significant gene pool in Africa from which all persons of some African lineage descended from. All Africans basically share the same physical features

Again you are misconstruing my points and missing the context of what I'm saying.

You do realize that Africans also have ethnicities right (they tend to get into a lot of civil wars over that fact)?

Sure about that? Many Africans from different tribes, not just Africans of different 'ethnicities' end up in conflicts for the most part. Tribal warfare. Its been happening for centuries. Furthermore, the civil wars and uprisings that take place in many in the African countries are more politically and/or economically motivated to begin with anyway.

Yes there are some Africans who share different racial features. Many North Africans are mixed with Semitic genes. There are African pygmies in certain areas of Africa while some in other areas can be 7 feet tall sometimes.

Yes, according to the social definition of race in America. In a country like Brazil, however, your blackness depends on the lightness of your skin color as well as your class and education.

No different in America with Afro-Americans. Many educated mulattoes in early American history did not have to deal with the persecution darker skinned African Americans had to deal with. Examples are George Washington Carver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver), Fredrick Douglass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrick_Douglass) and during the days of enforced black apartheid in the early 20th century, Charles Drew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Drew).

But some Asians dislike Hapas because they'd rather have Whites worship full Asians in an act of racial revenge.

Say what? I guess what you are saying is that many pure Asians are jealous of the attention that Hapas receive from whites. they rather have that attention and admiration for themselves That's my guess.

Not all Asian Americans/Canadians/British persons, (like most of the YW members here, yes even the resident Asian Hapaphiles :biggrin:, and the mixed Asians here) don't think like that and to those I give them props.

Calm down, you're not THAT insightful.

You're not exactly a intellectually gifted literary genius either. :rolleyes:

Just reiterate specifically what these meritorious points are and I'll comment on them.

Everything you didn't dissect and misconstrue, misintepret, rephrase, analyze, critique, and scrutinize yet in my previous post. I'm not going to reiterate anything.

Posting on forums to debate over inconsequential points is not my whole complete purpose in life. I'll get to it when I'll get to it. I'm wasting my time as it is.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I don't know about the horrendous acting because I haven't really seen him in any movies. Although he did start out as a model so I wouldn't be surprised if his acting just wasn't up to par.

The only time I've seen him on HK TV was when he did a very short stint in a typical cheesy Canto soap opera. He basically played an ABC hapa pretty boy (i.e. himself) who was a rival of one of the main characters for a woman's affections. It was classic typecasting: he doesn't get the woman in the end because she ends up falling in love with the HK guy and marrying him. Totally inspiring stuff. :rolleyes:

To be honest I think the directors threw him in there just for the hapa/ABC novelty factor.

This isn't just oh-i'm-a-model-singer-who-wants-to-make-some-money-at-acting-even-though-i-can't-act type of bad acting though...b/c I'm literally thinking that any random person taken off the street could do a more convincing job.

Anyway I'm not so sure why I'm always so hard on the poor guy. Maybe because to me he is one of the epitomical representations of the downfall of HK cinema (especially action films), the sacrifice of quality for profit, novelty and aesthetics. Although Michael Wong is of course an extreme example, at least people like Nic Tse or Edison or Daniel Wu or whatever actually look like they're trying. The super-talented Jackie Chan stuntmen of yesteryear have long been replaced by long-haired pop stars who no matter how hard they try cannot match the intensity and presence of their predecessors; elements that require much more than physical technique or movements to acquire.

[rice cracker]

You guys are at about a nine, I'm gonna need to you dial it back to five. Thx.

[mrcfo]

Absolutely. The hapas who actually do get the good acting roles are always the ones who can speak fluent Cantonese - like Anthony Wong and Karen Mok. And personally I think it helps a bit if they look more Asian than European. I'm sure it's been brought up before but Karen Mok's actual name is Karen Joy Morris - for her acting and singing careers she's had to adopt a more 'local' surname to cater to the HK masses. Similarly, Pan-Asian pop singer Janice Vidal (1/2 Filipino, 1/4 Korean, 1/4 Chinese) has gone by the Chinese name "Wei Lan" to fit into the local entertainment scene.

In HK the Eurasian beauty myth is as strong as ever. Every time I've gone back I've noticed increasing numbers of hapas on bilboards and TV commercials, especially the ones selling the newest cameras and phones. I was in the electronics section of a local department store once and all the posters were of hapas in swimming trunks and the like. Exoticisation? Oh, most definitely.


Karen Mok looks the least bit "mixed"...I bet if you asked Westerners, she'd pass for a full Asian. Another mixed person who looks fully Asian is former TVB and HK Movie cameo actor Paul Carr (Che in Chinese) (extremely tall, about 6'3")...again, he can often pass for an Asian un-noticed.

Karen Mok's physique - about 5'4"ish, black hair, dark eyes, pouty lips, low nose bridge and not so ghastly looking skin makes her pass easily for an asian.

I think from what I see on movies is that Karen resembles more of an abc than either full White or Asian. She can speak fluent English and Cantonese and Mandarin than most of the abcs/cbcs in the HK entertainment circle. What strikes me is that hewr family may have raised her in a somewhat mixed white/asian style, not dissimilar to those asians living in the west.

Belinda Hammett or however you spell it is much more interesting, body definitely looks Western, has somewhat fluent Cantonese skills and has been in a few meatier roles in mainstream media...

Speaking of which, I've always mistakenly thought that Kevin Cheng and Bernice Liu were mixed...

[Zdrav]

Crystal Clear,

I've got better things to do than to argue with you and your claim that I have misconstrued everything you said.

BUT...

Sure about that? Many Africans from different tribes, not just Africans of different 'ethnicities' end up in conflicts for the most part. Tribal warfare.

The fact that you said that Africans don't really have ethnicities just tells me what kind of strange mindset you have. You use the condescending term "tribes" to refer to various African groups with just as much physical and cultural differences as Asian and European ethnicities have. The broad brush you use to differentiate various African peoples (essentially, you seem to break down African tribes into big vs. small and light vs. dark... how observant) disturbs me greatly. You seem like a person who would easily buy into the ideas of a thinker like Samuel Huntington.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I've actually read in some texts that, and I have no idea how they measure this so don't ask, there is more genetic diversity in Africa than there is on any other continent.

[Sunflare]

You use the condescending term "tribes" to refer to various African groups with just as much physical and cultural differences as Asian and European ethnicities have.

You're still not done yet with this yet? You're even getting Napoleon Chynamlite into thinking that I'm putting down Africans when I am not.

To the contrary, I admire them for their strong cultural and moral values. Many of African students in my college I respect highly because they are brilliant. They work hard at what they do. More so then even many of the American students of different national/ethnic backgrounds.

It must have to do with their long standing high cultural values passed on from their families. Their strong family ties. Many of the essential moral and cultural values Africans adhere to and apply are very similar to what is found in Asian culture, unaffected for the most part by the more popular western cultural values which is based more on narcassism, materialism and nationalistic/racist ideology.

I did not use the word 'tribes' in a condescending way. What are you talking about?

Many of the European cutural groups also existed as 'tribes' during the same time that the different cultural groups in Africa did. You can research it yourself. Many European tribes existed during and before the Roman empire came to power. Same in Asia as well.

So how can the use of the word 'tribe' be condescending? Your still missing the context of my posts or twisting it around as usual.

Africa is the second largest continent in the world next to Asia consisting of 53 nations. Well over a thousand languages are spoken in the continent. I realize that.


The broad brush you use to differentiate various African peoples (essentially, you seem to break down African tribes into big vs. small and light vs. dark... how observant) disturbs me greatly.


Zdrav, listen. If you are so bent of accussing me of being ignorant as to the variety of different cultures or ethnic group in Africa that exists today, then why did you make this contradictory statement concerning Asians? (Highlighted in red)

Takeshi is mixed (Taiwanese/ Japanese).
you don't ever hear "hey, maybe they have some black in them" or "hey, i think takeshi is crazy handsome cuz he's japanese AND taiwanese.").That's not mixed. That's just AsianJapanese and Tawainese persons are distinctly different in many ways of custom, culture language and physical appearance. Lets not throw all Asians into the 'oriental' category, like the rest of the non-Asians do.

Takeshi is not mixed. That's not mixed. He's not Hapa. That's just Asian. :rolleyes:

Isn't Asia made up of different cultures and 'ethnic groups' too then!!??!!

Let me reiterate my response to that post. Taiwainese and Japanese are also distinctively different as cultural groups, their culture and language is different. they way they look are different and so forth.

So it seems to me that you use a broad brush as you would put it to break down persons of different Asian backgrounds to begin with. Just as African are like as if I didn't know that. That was what got me irked in the first place!!!!!!

So instead of accussing me of being ignorant, stop running and dodging and admit that you have just as much a hard time with understanding the general misconceptions of 'race' (as if 'race' is really a valid term to use in the first place than everybody else.)

Now this discussion has to do with Hapa celebrities. Maybe we should stay on topic.

[Sunflare]

Now don't get me wrong Zdrav. You do bring out some excellent posts that I agree with 100%.

From another thread (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?p=539549#post539549):

However, a conservative who thinks it's okay for America to start unjust wars in order to guarantee its oil supply for the next 50 years but not okay for Asians to use aggression for their national advantage is a hypocritical moron.

So hey, we may have our disagreements and flaws in our knowledge of various subjects. Its all good. Such is life. No point tearing each other apart over nonsense. Agreed?

I'm done. This is off topic anyway.

[Jimmyboi]

You're still not done yet with this yet? You're even getting Napoleon Chynamlite into thinking that I'm putting down Africans when I am not.

To the contrary, I admire them for their strong cultural and moral values. Many of African students in my college I respect highly because they are brilliant. They work hard at what they do. More so then even many of the American students of different national/ethnic backgrounds.

It must have to do with their long standing high cultural values passed on from their families. Their strong family ties. Many of the essential moral and cultural values Africans adhere to and apply are very similar to what is found in Asian culture, unaffected for the most part by the more popular western cultural values which is based more on narcassism, materialism and nationalistic/racist ideology.

I did not use the word 'tribes' in a condescending way. What are you talking about?

Many of the European cutural groups also existed as 'tribes' during the same time that the different cultural groups in Africa did. You can research it yourself. Many European tribes existed during and before the Roman empire came to power. Same in Asia as well.

So how can the use of the word 'tribe' be condescending? Your still missing the context of my posts or twisting it around as usual.

Africa is the second largest continent in the world next to Asia consisting of 53 nations. Well over a thousand languages are spoken in the continent. I realize that.




Zdrav, listen. If you are so bent of accussing me of being ignorant as to the variety of different cultures or ethnic group in Africa that exists today, then why did you make this contradictory statement concerning Asians? (Highlighted in red)



Takeshi is not mixed. That's not mixed. He's not Hapa. That's just Asian. :rolleyes:

Isn't Asia made up of different cultures and 'ethnic groups' too then!!??!!

Let me reiterate my response to that post. Taiwainese and Japanese are also distinctively different as cultural groups, their culture and language is different. they way they look are different and so forth.

So it seems to me that you use a broad brush as you would put it to break down persons of different Asian backgrounds to begin with. Just as African are like as if I didn't know that. That was what got me irked in the first place!!!!!!

So instead of accussing me of being ignorant, stop running and dodging and admit that you have just as much a hard time with understanding the general misconceptions of 'race' (as if 'race' is really a valid term to use in the first place than everybody else.)

Now this discussion has to do with Hapa celebrities. Maybe we should stay on topic.


Takeshi is NOT hapa, but he is Mixed.

E.g.

Japanese + Taiwanese = mixed

Chinese + Thai = mixed (Greg "Utt" Panichkul)

[Sunflare]

Takeshi is NOT hapa, but he is Mixed.

E.g.

Japanese + Taiwanese = mixed

Chinese + Thai = mixed (Greg "Utt" Panichkul)

LOL.

You must be cranky and hung over from a hard night of partying and drinking or something. I understand. Me too. Go make yourself a nice cup of coffee, get out of my half Chinese ass and get over it.

TAKESHI. IS. A. HAPA.

You're good at math, great. Memorize this additional equation:

Hapa = mixed.

Thank you. Have a nice day. :smile:

In the Hawaiian language, hapa is strictly defined as: portion, fragment, part, fraction, installment; to be partial, less. It is a loan from the English word half. However, it has an extended meaning of "half-caste" or "of mixed descent". This is the only meaning of the term in Hawaiian Pidgin, the creole spoken by many Hawai'i residents.

wiki article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapa

[Jimmyboi]

LOL.

You must be cranky and hung over from a hard night of partying and drinking or something. I understand. Me too. Go make yourself a nice cup of coffee, get out of my half Chinese ass and get over it.

TAKESHI. IS. A. HAPA.

You're good at math, great. Memorize this additional equation:

Hapa = mixed.

Thank you. Have a nice day. :smile:



wiki article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapa

HAPA = MIXED, but MIXED does not = HAPA

if you get what I'm saying...

Takeshi is mixed, japanese/ taiwanese


Do you think Michelle Saram is mixed?

Michelle Saram (half indian/ half chinese = mixed)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a380/bubbles-away/showbigphoto13_asp.jpg

half thai-chinesehttp://www.mostbeautifulman.com/misc/uttsadapanichkul/images/pic01.jpg

[Sunflare]

HAPA = MIXED, but MIXED does not = HAPA

if you get what I'm saying...

Takeshi is mixed, japanese/ taiwanese


Do you think Michelle Saram is mixed?

Michelle Saram (half indian/ half chinese = mixed)


Dude. Are you in a stage of Asian Hapaphiliac induced denial? I thought I had it bad.

You can be part Asian, part Klingon and whatever and be still be correctly referred to as a Hapa according to modern usage of the slang term. OK?

From Urban Dictionary:

However, the definition of "hapa" has come more and more to mean "half" or "of mixed blood" in which case many different racial combinations are beginning to fall under the umbrella of "hapa".

link: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hapa

Remember: Knowledge is the key to understanding. Reading is fundamental.

[kimkyok]

Russel Wong is half white? OMG I didnt even know. He could totally pass!

[Zdrav]

Takeshi is NOT hapa, but he is Mixed.

E.g.

Japanese + Taiwanese = mixed

Nationalities are such arbitrary measures though. I'm sure there are some genetic differences between people from northern Japan and souther Japan, but if they had a kid, then the kid would be "pure Japanese" due to political boundaries.

Besides, aren't we all "mixed" due to the fact that our mothers and fathers weren't clones of each other?

[SunWuKong]

Do you think Michelle Saram is mixed?

Michelle Saram (half indian/ half chinese = mixed)

Michelle Saram is hot. depending on what angle a photo of her is taken, sometimes she looks more Chinese and other times she looks more Indian.

[j&j2]

CC - the general understood definition for "hapa" means mixed w/ regard to race, not nationality or ethnicity.

Asian-Ams would not consider Kaneshiro a "hapa" - since he is 100% Asian.

Now, the fact that many people (both Asian and non-Asian) would think Kaneshiro looks hapa is annoying (since afterall, a good-looking Asian male must have some "white" in him), but that's a whole 'nother issue.

[Sunflare]

^ I can see this arguement over the 'proper definition' of the word hapa can go around forever in loops and end up counterproductive so I won't bother to push it further at this point. No need for useless clutter, as far as I see it.

There are more revelant issues pertaining to hapas that can be discussed rather then continuing to debate over the proper usage of a mere definition of a slang term broadly used to describe someone of mixed Asian descent.

I'll leave it at that.

[j&j2]

^ I can see this arguement over the 'proper definition' of the word hapa can go around forever in loops and end up counterproductive so I won't bother to push it further at this point. No need for useless clutter, as far as I see it.


Uhh, the 'proper definition' of the term "hapa" is the one used by Asian-Americans (borrowed from the Hawaiians) to denote someone who is half-Asian and half something-else.

Someone who is half-Taiwanese and half-Japanese is just 100% Asian and not a hapa to Asian-Ams.

People in Asia (as far as I know) - don't use the term so the fact that they would differentiate Kaneshiro from someone who is "100%" Taiwanese, Korean, etc. really has no sway on the meaning.

[Sunflare]

Uhh, the 'proper definition' of the term "hapa" is the one used by Asian-Americans (borrowed from the Hawaiians) to denote someone who is half-Asian and half something-else.

Maybe you should reread my posts. Post 42 and post 44. The word Hapa can be used to describe someone who is mixed not just by race but also by ethnicity or nationality -and- I quoted from dictionaries and provided links to prove my point.

Did you know that even in the original Hawaiian language there is a variation of the word hapa to describe a person who is mixed with different Asian nationalities or ethnicities?


The term can be used in conjunction with other Hawaiian racial and ethnic descriptors to specify a particular racial or ethnic mixture. Examples of this include:

hapa haole (part Caucasian/white)
hapa kanaka (part Hawaiian)
hapa popolo (part African/black)
hapa kepani (part Japanese); the term hapanese is also encountered
hapa pilipino (part Filipino)
hapa pake (part Chinese)
hapa kolea (part Korean)


link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapa

Also, according to urban dictionary, the definition of the word Hapa has become broader in the sense that it is now used to define persons in general who are mixed.

However, the definition of "hapa" has come more and more to mean "half" or "of mixed blood" in which case many different racial combinations are beginning to fall under the umbrella of "hapa"

link: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hapa

Someone who is half-Taiwanese and half-Japanese is just 100% Asian and not a hapa to Asian-Ams.

Again many persons use the word 'Hapa' out of context as to define something who may be mixed by ethnicity, etc. There is nothing wrong with that. I came into the picture because another YW member dozens of posts ago referred to a half taiwanese, half Japanese actor Takeshi as a hapa and she used it out of context but it's perfectly acceptable. What the big deal ?

Many words in the English language can carry different meanings can't it ? Again go back and reread my quotes from the dictionaries and see that the definition of the word hapa is very broad and can carry several meanings. You already mentioned two of them.

^ I can see this arguement over the 'proper definition' of the word hapa can go around forever in loops and end up counterproductive so I won't bother to push it further at this point. No need for useless clutter, as far as I see it. People in Asia (as far as I know) - don't use the term so the fact that they would differentiate Kaneshiro from someone who is "100%" Taiwanese, Korean, etc. really has no sway on the meaning.

*sigh* . . . . .and here we go with the clutter. . . . . . :rolleyes:

[j&j2]

^ I did - but there is a “proper” use of the term.

This is how wiki looks at the word in the Asian-American context -

The word "hapa" has moved into Hawaiian and mainland English via reborrowing, and is generally used to describe a person of partial Asian or Pacific Islander racial/ethnic heritage.

Note that Kaneshiro does not fit this description.

Even the urban dictionary considers hapa to be someone of mixed RACE – API and other.

Today, the phrase has been shortened to simply "hapa" and genreally refers to anyone part Asian or Pacific Islander and, generally, part Caucasian. However, the definition of "hapa" has come more and more to mean "half" or "of mixed blood" in which case many different racial combinations are beginning to fall under the umbrella of "hapa".

Look at the definition from IMdiversity.

Hapa (or happa)
A person with one Asian or Asian-American parent and one non-Asian parent

http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/asian/reference/whats_a_hapa_happa.asp

Take for instance someone who is part Thai, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Viet - he/she isn't going to be generally as "hapa" (just "Asian") - until he/she gets some non-Asian genes (usually white, but increasingly used for non-white mixes).

[pikachupacabra]

I've never heard hapa used to describe mixed asian-asian peeps, only for asian-nonasian mixes.

[Sunflare]

^ I did - but there is a “proper” use of the term.
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

Question j&j2, are we going to argue for the next five pages over this tired ass beat to death subject?? It seems you always want to have the last say. It's getting really annoying.

I gave you all the evidence in the world to show you that the word 'hapa' can be used in different ways and you refuse to see the point.

You keep on dwelling on the fact that there is a proper definition. But you fail to see that there can be variations on the definition of the term.

[eurasiacan285]

Leonardo Dicarprio is of Italian/German descent correct?. Again like I said many Italians are indeed mixed with traces of other ethnicities from Semitic persons from the Middle East, Celtic and Germanic tribes, Africans, and Mediterranean all who share distinct racial features that make them different in appearance from one another.

Some Italians don't even consider themselves white for that reason. Some.

Hmmm, Italians who don't "consider themselves white"? Where did you meet these people exactly? In my experience Italians don't define themselves as "Italian" to begin with, they identify with the region from which they come.

*Some* northern Italians may consider *some* southern Italians (especially Sicilians) "not white" (insofar as they use that way of conceptualizing race/ethnicity), but I don't think I've ever met or heard of an Italian who didn't consider him/herself Caucasian or "European".

Sure he is in a way. Italians have features that are very different from Germans. Germans are for the most part of Celtic or Germanic lineage, Italians of Mediterean, North African, or Middleeastern lineage from ancient times. Same thing with persons from Greece.

Consider Afro-Americans vs. Native Africans. A person with a keen eye can tell them apart a mile away. Many Afro-Americans carry Native American Hispanic or Caucasian roots whereas many Africans are pure.

But as long as you even have a minute drop of black in you, you are black.

That's only in the U.S., hypodescent doesn't exist elsewhere AFAIK (not even Canada I don't think).

And some northern Italians are of *direct* Germanic lineage, Lombardy for example (the area around Milan) gets its name from the Lombards or Langobards, the Germanic tribe that settled the area. (And people claim "Celtic" origins all over Europe, it's somewhat of a post-facto modern invention of an "ancient race").

(If you want my personal opinion btw I don't really see that much value in breaking these things down as strictly as you seem to do, but that's your prerogative.)

[Sunflare]

Hmmm, Italians who don't "consider themselves white"? Where did you meet these people exactly? In my experience Italians don't define themselves as "Italian" to begin with, they identify with the region from which they come..)

In America. You would be suprised with how many Italianos refuse to identify themselves as white.

And I said SOME Italians. Not all. Let's bring things into the right perspective and not go to ridiculous extremes.


(If you want my personal opinion btw I don't really see that much value in breaking these things down as strictly as you seem to do, but that's your prerogative.)

I don't bother with useless arguements with others for the sake of creating clutter or wasting my time. I don't like repeating myself either where people dont get the point. Many posters here love to argue just for the sake of disagreeing even to the point of contradicting themselves . That's not me.

Anything else you like to add ? Keep in mind that discussing and debating European history isn't an area of interest for me.

[Zdrav]

Hmmm, Italians who don't "consider themselves white"?

It's true. I also knew some Portuguese people who did not consider themselves white. Mind you, there's a big difference between "White" and "European". For example, some Russians may be white but not European, while some Turks may be European but not white. I think "European" refers more to a cultural identity, while "white" is just a crude racial term with many different interpretations.

[eurasiacan285]

It's true. I also knew some Portuguese people who did not consider themselves white. Mind you, there's a big difference between "White" and "European". For example, some Russians may be white but not European, while some Turks may be European but not white. I think "European" refers more to a cultural identity, while "white" is just a crude racial term with many different interpretations.

I just wonder how these people were *defining* whiteness, since it's not a term which is regularly used (in my experience) in (continental) Europe.

[eurasiacan285]

In America. You would be suprised with how many Italianos refuse to identify themselves as white.

And I said SOME Italians. Not all. Let's bring things into the right perspective and not go to ridiculous extremes.



I don't bother with useless arguements with others for the sake of creating clutter or wasting my time. I don't like repeating myself either where people dont get the point. Many posters here love to argue just for the sake of disagreeing even to the point of contradicting themselves . That's not me.

Anything else you like to add ? Keep in mind that discussing and debating European history isn't an area of interest for me.

Umm, I think I'll pass LOL.

[j&j2]

Question j&j2, are we going to argue for the next five pages over this tired ass beat to death subject?? It seems you always want to have the last say. It's getting really annoying.

I gave you all the evidence in the world to show you that the word 'hapa' can be used in different ways and you refuse to see the point.

You keep on dwelling on the fact that there is a proper definition. But you fail to see that there can be variations on the definition of the term.

Uhh, I'm well aware of the Hawaiian use of the word hapa + [something else].

The emphasis is on the use of the word hapa in the Asian-American context and not the other term.

I have yet to meet a mixed Asian (eg - Chinese/Viet) refer to themselves as a hapa.

Plus - sites like hapa.com and eurasian.com have posters who are pretty much all half Asian + something non-Asian.

I apologize in advance for being "annoying".

[Sunflare]

Uhh, I'm well aware of the Hawaiian use of the word hapa + [something else].

The emphasis is on the use of the word hapa in the Asian-American context and not the other term.

I have yet to meet a mixed Asian (eg - Chinese/Viet) refer to themselves as a hapa.

Plus - sites like hapa.com and eurasian.com have posters who are pretty much all half Asian + something non-Asian.

I apologize in advance for being "annoying".

I'm worn out to the point to becoming braindead on this discussion. I have to give it to you ..... you are very persistant on this topic. You don't quit. :biggrin:

[User1]

they all look fairly mixed to me...except that karen mok chick could possiby pass for southern chinese

[ceddy]

That's brilliant reference and discussion. Some anaysis is required. I think Dennis Oh is truely asian.

[ceddy]

I think Carl Ng was born in Hong Kong and is of mixed ethnicity. His father is comedy actor Richard Ng, while his mother, a British woman. Then how's he fully Asian.