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SunWuKong
03-06-2008, 07:49 PM
thumbs up or thumbs down?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/06/BAJDVF0F1.DTL

Court limits home-schooling to credentialed teachers
Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, March 6, 2008

(03-06) 14:26 PST LOS ANGELES -- A state appeals court has struck a blow against the home-schooling movement, ruling that California law requires parents to send their children to full-time schools or have them taught by credentialed tutors at home.

The ruling was issued by the Second District Court of Appeal in a dispute between the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services and Phillip and Mary Long of Lynwood, who have been home-schooling their eight children. Mary Long, who has no state credential, acts as their teacher.

The Longs said they have also enrolled their children in Sunland Christian School, a private religious academy, which considers them part of its independent study program and visits the home about four times a year. A juvenile court judge looking into one child's complaint of mistreatment by Phillip Long found that the children were being poorly educated but refused to order two of the children, ages 7 and 9, to be enrolled in a full-time school, saying parents have a right to educate their children at home.

But the appeals court said state law has been clear since at least 1953, when another appellate court rejected a challenge by home-schooling parents to California's compulsory education statutes. Those statutes require children between 6 and 18 to attend a full-time day school, either public or private, or to be instructed by a tutor who holds a state credential for the child's grade level.

"California courts have held that ... parents do not have a constitutional right to home-school their children," Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling, issued Feb. 28. "Parents have a legal duty to see to their children's schooling under the provisions of these laws."

Parents can be criminally prosecuted for failing to comply, Croskey said.

The court told the juvenile judge to require the Longs to comply with the law by enrolling their children in a school other than Sunland Christian School, because that institution "was willing to participate in the deprivation of the children's right to a legal education."

The court did not specify how the law should be enforced in other cases. A lawyer for Sunland Christian School said today that 166,000 California children are being educated at home and that the ruling threatens every one of their parents with prosecution.

The decision "not only attacks traditional home-schooling, but also calls into question home-schooling through charter schools and teaching children at home via independent study through public and private schools," said attorney Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute, which represented the school.

Michael Smith, president of the Home School Legal Defense Association, said the ruling would effectively ban home-schooling in the state.

"California is now on the path to being the only state to deny the vast majority of home-schooling parents their fundamental right to teach their own children at home," he said in a statement.

But Leslie Heimov, executive director of the Children's Law Center of Los Angeles, which represented the two children in the case, said the ruling did not change the law.

"They just affirmed that the current California law, which has been unchanged since the last time it was ruled on in the 1950s, is that children have to be educated in a public school, an accredited private school, or with an accredited tutor," she said. "If they want to send them to a private Christian school, they can, but they have to actually go to the school and be taught by teachers."

Heimov said her organization's chief concern was not the quality of the children's education, but their "being in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety."

The Longs argued that the state laws violated their freedom of religion. They cited a 1972 U.S. Supreme Court ruling allowing Amish parents in Wisconsin to take their children out of school after the eighth grade and devote their lives to the religious community.

But Croskey said the ruling does not authorize parents who object to the educational system to remove their children, even if their objections are based on religious beliefs. The Amish ruling was based on factors that the current case did not share, he said: deep religious convictions held by an organized group, intimately related to daily living, whose centuries-old existence might be endangered if their children had to attend high school.

By contrast, he said, the Longs simply asserted that they have religious objections to sending their children to school. "Such sparse representations are too easily asserted by any parent who wishes to home-school his or her child," Croskey said.

The ruling can be viewed at links.sfgate.com/ZCQR.

E-mail Bob Egelko at begelko@sfchronicle.com.

Yeahman
03-06-2008, 08:57 PM
Thumbs sideways.
Cali should pass legislation to allow home-schooling so long as the kids can pass annual exams.

AngryABCGirl
03-06-2008, 11:25 PM
CA state exams are a joke. But half of us still fail them. Go us. I wouldn't say they're a good measure for content learned. Even if you had flying colors on CA exams, there's a good chance you'd still be totally unprepared for college and definitely crushed in the UC system. This state makes no sense sometimes.

How effective is home-schooling though? It's something I have no idea about.

CBC guy
03-07-2008, 12:11 AM
Hmm, well, IMO I would let home schooling continue as long as the children can show competence on par with or superior to other students in state or nationwide exams. (Are there nationwide exams in the US?)

Craig
03-07-2008, 12:46 AM
One of my former coworkers who got his Masters in Physics at UCLA (guessing in the late 70s) had an interesting story. He said in one of the liberal arts departments (something like social work or something) they accepted a PhD student and she couldn't read or write (not just English, but any language). When I asked about taking the GRE, etc., he said they accepted the person just based on recommendations and waived the test requirement.

BillBlythe
03-07-2008, 02:26 AM
Thumbs down.

But that's only because I've heard very good things about home schooling. I would think only educated parents who know what they are doing pursue home schooling as an alternative to public education. I have no idea what the exact merits of it are but I recall reading that children learning at home have an advantage up to a point.

Obviously you would send them to a highschool once they turn 14, but up until that point home schooling is a perfectly viable option.

kimpossible
03-07-2008, 08:38 AM
The ruling isn't against homeschooling. It's requiring the homeschooling to be done by qualified tutors. There's probably a workaround there if you get tutors for X number of hours per week per subject. And really, if you can afford to homeschool you can afford proper tutors which is what quite a few homeschoolers do anyhow. I'm only familiar with Washington state requirements but the school system is very... strict isn't the word I'm looking for but maybe well defined is better. You can't willy-nilly keep your kids home without any educational standards.

Yeahman
03-07-2008, 11:32 AM
Homeschooled kids seem to do really well at the national spelling bee. Their parents feel that traditional schools hold back their child's full potential.

The ruling isn't against homeschooling. It's requiring the homeschooling to be done by qualified tutors. There's probably a workaround there if you get tutors for X number of hours per week per subject. And really, if you can afford to homeschool you can afford proper tutors which is what quite a few homeschoolers do anyhow. I'm only familiar with Washington state requirements but the school system is very... strict isn't the word I'm looking for but maybe well defined is better. You can't willy-nilly keep your kids home without any educational standards.
The point is that parents want complete control over what, how, and at what pace their kids learn. And tutors are not cheap. Plus if they're certified, they're probably teachers. There probably aren't too many who tutor full-time. Though this ruling may have created a new market for full-time tutors.

kimpossible
03-07-2008, 11:54 AM
Most of my cousins have been homeschooled or are currently being homeschooled. I'm considering it myself. We all have done it or consider it for vastly different reasons (from one another) and I can't say I relate really to what you're saying now. I'm not saying you're wrong because I believe it to be true for some parents but certainly not all. And homeschooling is really a privilege because staying home is a financial privilege. What makes you think that homeschooling unilaterally means that only the parent will be responsible for education in all subjects?

I can tell you that the statement that homeschooling is to have total control over what, how and what pace isn't completely accurate. There are many, many different reasons to homeschool that don't have much, if anything, to do with those reasons. At some point the homeschoolers need non-parental instruction. Whether regulated by the state or not.

lethal
03-07-2008, 12:34 PM
Homeschooling is fine as long as the curriculum is overseen by a licensed teacher or school and there's regular testing of the student I think. If this case is upheld, California will probably pass some sort of law to that effect.

kimpossible
03-07-2008, 12:58 PM
State testing is the norm, I think. Curricula I know about actually comes from the school system itself and you can pick up your choice of qualifying materials. But it's not cheap even without tutors. There is already a large cottage industry around homeschooling. The internet really has made it largely possible to organize. Despite that religious belief is one reason people homeschool, it's far from being the only or main reason. Many parents already spend time and money to provide a full education including non-parental sources. Your kids still need social structure and physical development regardless of any ability limits.