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fcfpoon
01-04-2008, 03:15 AM
Hi,

This is my first post here, and I have to admit I haven't read much of what has already been written in these forums, but I guess I'll take a dive and copy and paste what I recently wrote - some constructive criticism of Asian America....

After the past several years, after taking a much needed breather, a hiatus, from so-called “social justice work” and the ambiguously defined “interest in Asian American ‘issues’,” I’ve finally come to realize what was so alienating and undemocratic about “the community,” and what caused me to distance myself so far away from it for years. It was because even though these counter communities were meant to act as safe havens from the white/male/hetero mainstream society, as well as points from which to resist and counter the dominant discourses in mainstream society, they in fact were very stifling of difference, and simply reproduced the same structure of dominance. For example, there was emphasis on whether he or she “gets it” or not. Saying that someone doesn’t “get it” was the most damning insult you could say behind someone’s back. On the other hand, admitting in emotional outburst that “I finally get it!” (as happened at the leadership training I was a counselor for in Boston over the summer) was a way to valorize yourself by evoking reflectiveness and being a part of the in-group. There was this overall atmosphere and culture of “I’m holier than thou” or “we’re holier than them,” from which I or we are supposed to preach and convert others, almost religiously, to “get it.” But this implicitly controls and stifles anyone who disagrees or sees it differently, since they were excluded for not “getting it.”

Equally problematic and stifling was how stereotypes and positive/negative media representations were understood. According to many Asian American student activists, to counteract stereotypes meant having representations that were just the opposite of Hollywood stereotypes. Hence, you have companies like Black Lava with T-shirts reading “I suck at math” or “I can’t speak Chinese.” I always felt uncomfortable with these, but never understood how to articulate my discomfort. The problem with these is that by taking Hollywood stereotypes as reference points in constructing our own identities, we’re not really challenging the stereotypes, we simply reaffirm them because we’re reinforcing binary possibilities: you’re either the conformist Asian who is really good at math, speaks Chinese, is passive and reserved (read “FOB”) or you’re the “political” Asian who “gets it” and proclaims loud and proud that you suck at math, you suck at Chinese, you’re loud and you’re damned angry. Unfortunately, those who take on the latter identity are still letting stereotypes define and limit who they can be. Not only this, but other problems arise such as being sexist against Asian Am women in order to “counter” stereotypes of Asian Am masculinity; or antagonism against “Asian-Asians” who “don’t get it” and are too FOB-ie, and ignorantly perpetuate stereotypes. And then there’s the incredibly denigrating feeling of being criticized for “being the stereotype” just because I like to teach Chinese (for example tell some white guy that the tattoo on his arm means ‘loyalty’ 忠, and is amazingly poetic because it’s the “center character” 中 above the “heart” character 心 – meaning your heart is centered, hence loyal), or because I see the relative value in non-confrontation when it comes to personal interaction. Restricting the possibility to being someone who “is the stereotype” to someone who is “counter-stereotype” is repressive, and conservative. But these problems aren’t unique to Asian Americans of course, I just reference them because of my familiarity, and out of genuine care for Asian American identities.

On a public level then, it seems to me that the definition of “social justice” in America has been too rigidly defined, and therefore is an exclusive community with low tolerance for conflicting views. In my opinion, any organization that labels itself as a general “social justice” organization has to be inherently open and allowing of multiple conflicting views. A commitment for a more just society that seeks to resist dominant systems should be the only unifying principle. Anything more specific should have their own interest group (which of course would always interact with the broader social justice public). Social justice, then, would be a “movement of movements,” rather than “the movement,” which is too homogenizing and silencing of difference. A “movement of movements” in the Asian American communities would cause less alienation against Asian adoptees, GLBT Asian Ams, Hapas, Asian Ams with disabilities, South Asian Americans, even Asian Am women who date white men, and all sorts of outsiders of the outsiders. Not only would people feel more included, but the movement of movements would be fuller; the process of understanding systems of oppression would never stop (since the moment it does stop, the radical political nature of the movement ceases in my opinion). So instead of thinking of a pan-ethnic umbrella, we should think of pan-ethnic umbrellas.

On a more personal level, I think it’s more radical to simply be yourself (taking influence from all and everyone that is around you), without regard to what the stereotypes are, or how to be their opposites. Being yourself might overlap with Hollywood stereotypes, it might overlap with their opposites, in the end, your identity should overlap with several commons (Asian, women, Asian women, women of color, lesbian, classical music enthusiasts, salsa dancers, social justice agitators, educators, student), but taken as a whole is also uniquely you. This is the only way to truly resist the violence of stereotypes, cultural oppression, and domination.

AngryABCGirl
01-04-2008, 04:25 AM
Wow I totally feel you in what you're saying. I really do. Those fucking blacklava shirts annoy the hell out of me.

But in seriousness, throughout trying to be an Asian American activist in college and trying to stay sane because people kept and still keep accusing me of being "too fobby" was ridiculous beyond belief. There was so much holier than mentality about being "down" and it's sad I see that travel to professional levels in social workers where that attitude really just does not need to be there.

I right now a lot of Asian Americans are wholly insecure with who they are, especially those who say chose an activism route that isn't really accepted or seen highly that contributes to the whole "getting it issue." Another is that people have visions of what Asian American is supposed to be, one trying to reject stereotypes versus accepted that reality that we just so happen to be different, and there can be no movement unless these differences are acknowledged, ie hey most of us here are immigrants!. And people obsess over them, about being radical enough, being down enough, saying "we're american" blah blah, when you're really just being a tool.

Yeahman
01-04-2008, 08:28 AM
Reading the original post, I was reminded of Hayek's " The Mirage of Social Justice and I was trying to see how it fit together but then realized that it isn't of much relevance here. Hayek would likely have preferred competing social justice movements over a monopoly, as the lesser of two evils.

The problem I see is that this arrangement of activist pluralism hasn't worked elsewhere. In a battle for political power, numbers are of paramount importance and one organization will necessarily dominate. Lesser groups can cater to individual subgroups that support and reinforce the dominate player but they don't compete. There's still one giant umbrella. I'd love to be shown an exception that can be mimicked, though.

AngryABCGirl
01-04-2008, 06:51 PM
Yeah I have to mention that the type of people in the Asia America he's mentioning is a small and woefully dis-engaged from most of Asian America, yet thinks it should be the great representation. I had to deal with fools like this almost everyday for awhile, and they'd get squeamish every time I talked in Chinese when I'd answer a phone call.

tripostrophe
01-04-2008, 07:51 PM
I think you have somewhat of a valid point with the whole "gets it/doesn't get it" dichotomy, though I'd like to point out that if you're doing social justice work that has a focus going beyond the interests of a single community, extremely high expectations of members' ability to "get it" are reasonable.

For example, if an APIA organization claims to be working in the interests of the greater community as a whole, and is very progressive in terms of racial issues but overwhelmingly rather conservative in terms of how they treat LGBTQ and women's issues, it's really not going to be at 100% until its members are willing to push themselves to understand all these things, yeah? People sometimes do need to work on meeting others halfway though, but maybe that's something that only comes with time?

I guess this is where your concept of a "movement of movements" comes in, but I think a unified movement is more desirable because it provides at least some sort of accountability amongst its members that they wouldn't have otherwise. i.e. you're less likely to focus exclusively on one issue while ignoring/working against others when you're all working as allies for one another.

And I think it's important to distinguish between people who are defining themselves in relation to these stereotypes (i'm not stereotypical because i'm not x) vs. those who are rejecting these stereotypes because they're reductive and racist. Or rather, the two different desires.

And I think the root of such problems as sexism and heterosexism in response to media portrayals of APIA men as emasculated lies less in the desire to reject such stereotypes, considering that someone who has a decent grasp of things like masculinity and privilege would check himself before going that route. Rather, it seems to me more of a projection of self-hate. Again, unless said person is working within a group of allies who'll hold him accountable as a straight male while acknowledging the issues he faces as an APIA, he'll probably struggle to get this knowledge and act in anti-sexist/anti-heterosexist ways.

I hardly think IR dating is an issue that deserves its own sub-movement and cause - I personally think of it as a personal issue and choice, albeit one in which both members must consider factors such as the partner's ability to understand them as x [i.e. "get it," or at least be willing to try], whatever power structures they may be reproducing in their relationships (beyond the usual sexism to issues of race), etc. The issue here seems to be more of the intersection of feminism and anti-racism/ a PoC ID.

I have a problem with what you say here though:

Not only would people feel more included, but the movement of movements would be fuller; the process of understanding systems of oppression would never stop (since the moment it does stop, the radical political nature of the movement ceases in my opinion). So instead of thinking of a pan-ethnic umbrella, we should think of pan-ethnic umbrellas.

I can see how people may feel more included, but can also see people feeling excluded if the local community lacks a critical mass of people who identify similarly. If you only have these sub-groups who occasionally work together instead of a broader social justice movement, you'll probably be forced to work as a minority within a group which won't take your issues as seriously, or will ultimately designate them as second-tier issues. If the group were committed to social justice as a whole instead, your issues would be much likelier to be taken seriously and treated as an equally important issue. Of course, the demographics of such a movement will ultimately lead to some issues taking priority over others, but there'll be much less of a basis for saying "this isn't our issue - we'll support you when you need it, but we have other things to focus on."

I do see how it could be fuller, but cannot see how there would be any guarantee that the process of learning and understanding systems of oppression would be ensured in any way. And again, I think it would be much fuller if all were working together.

I guess I'm not totally disagreeing with you - I do agree that specific interest groups are important - I just don't think that the formation and development of these should come at the cost of de-emphasizing a broader social justice movement(s), because I think that's the only way we'll really have enough support, allies, power, resources, etc. to make changes happen.

And I agree with your last statement, but do think that on the flip side, there are those who emphasize radical individualism a bit too much - so much so that they don't let their racial and other identities into the frame, but I don't think we're in any danger of that here.

*Where's the control of knowledge come in?

Napoleon Chynamite
01-04-2008, 08:18 PM
Conservative, liberal, progressive, fascist, radical, moderate, fundamentalist, tree-hugger, whatever. People are all the same because they desire the same. They just try to get it using different methods.

Sometimes I do wonder though whether or not chaos or constant social conflict could be minimized without any type of dominant institutional order. You have people in power and eventually the subjugated get pissed off enough to revolt, and if they succeed eventually they or some other groups fuse together and come to run things over time, and the cycle repeats. Control of knowledge is inevitable because everyone cares what everyone else thinks and knows.

fcfpoon
01-06-2008, 02:37 AM
I hardly think IR dating is an issue that deserves its own sub-movement and cause.

I don't think it should be easier. I guess I need to clarify what I meant about interracial dating, and I think it should clarify what I meant in general too. I think that yeah, critical mass and unity is definitely important, especially since the right-wing is so organized, resourceful, and powerful in American politics and culture. In a political sense, yeah, we need the numbers. So we should present ourselves as united in cause. But within our own spaces, I think the conversation should include difference and conflict, rather than sometimes what I see in these groups of "you're so right!" "yes, of course I'm right, so are you!" So I guess I'm stressing the interpersonal aspect in our Asian American spaces. As for the Asian Am women who date white men, they're well familiar with the concept that they're sellouts. That's our community's loss - we ostracize the numbers. So incorporating difference actually acts toward unity as well. And I guess I'm not so much attacking unity, as I'm attacking the "I get it" attitude, the "I'm holier than thou" attitude, or even talking behind other activists' backs saying he doesn't get it, she doesn't get it, "she dates white people" (with a role of the eyes). An example I have in my head now is from a discussion where I simply brought up the media (both mainstream and independent) as an important site of conflict in producing racism. The executive officer of the non-profit org, who was involved in the discussion too, said "the next time I hear somebody blame the media for racial stereotypes, I swear I'm gonna punch them in the face." My point is that we need to watch our interpersonal skills even in our own spaces. Especially by being in a position of leadership in the org, this guy basically was controlling what could be discussed and what couldn't, discounting media.

There's no edit feature on the posts we've made already huh? Whups, typo in my first line. I meant "I don't think it should be either"

Napoleon Chynamite
01-06-2008, 12:42 PM
On a more personal level, I think it’s more radical to simply be yourself (taking influence from all and everyone that is around you), without regard to what the stereotypes are, or how to be their opposites. Being yourself might overlap with Hollywood stereotypes, it might overlap with their opposites, in the end, your identity should overlap with several commons (Asian, women, Asian women, women of color, lesbian, classical music enthusiasts, salsa dancers, social justice agitators, educators, student), but taken as a whole is also uniquely you. This is the only way to truly resist the violence of stereotypes, cultural oppression, and domination.

I may win the Captain Obvious prize here, but the circular irony with this is that while there are definitely those that have this urge to reject their ethnic background for purposes of fitting in or whatever, very few people actually go out of their way to not be themselves, it's just that the "self" is going to be the result largely of where they receive the most influence. For many Asian Americans this is going to mean from their largely white peers while growing up and white-dominated media. Stereotypes and cultural oppression play a huge part in molding people to be who they are, and in essence they are still "being themselves."