Women are weak.

[artsfartsyjanet]

During a dinner conversation, a fellow Asian American friend of mine from Rancho Sant? Margarita, California and attends the same grad school as I do admitted that she thinks women are weak. I was taken aback because she doesn't know exactly what my opinions are about the stance of women today. As I was listening, i couldn't help but feel sad that she felt this way. While she has a point, I didn't know exactly what I was sad at.... She admits that she's weak, or she thinks that maybe she found out in a not-so-good way that she was adopted at a young age and her biological mother gave up on her... she felt like she's always had the short end of the stick, and perhaps, that's manifested into how it sucks to be a woman... having to struggle all of the time, always being underestimated, underappreciated, inferiorated, and "emotional." That's a big reason why she wouldn't want any daughters. Girls are just too emotional to deal with, and if she has a daughter, she said, "she better be a pretty damn strong woman." In general, she believes women are weak. If she were to pick, she'd rather be a man.

I told her that while there is a modicum of truth in what she says, I guess I've always been a feminist. I don't hate men nor do I think I feel superior to them, but I believe that it is POSSIBLE that women CAN be strong. We might have to struggle more, but that doesn't mean women in general are weak. I've always thought women were always strong. Being emotional doesn't mean being weak to me. Therein lies our difference.


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Here's a brief conversation with a friend:

me: A female Asian American friend of mine admits that women in general are weak. She wouldn't want any daughters because they are too emotional. Your take?

James: Nuture versus nature.

James: Both play a role, but neither is solely responsible for demonstrable behavior per se. Rather the culmination of experiences of anyone male or female sets the precedent, even if biologically hormonal the person may be.
That said, you can raise strong daughters.
Do you agree?

[tripostrophe]

I agree with James. Societal influences might sway a person in any direction, but I don't think women are by nature weaker.

I think that there's an important distinction between [emotion being perceived as weakness] and [being made weak through underestimation, underappreciation, and other forms of sexism].

But neither of these things are a woman's fault, and your RSM friend seems to be judging strength by traditional standards of masculinity (in which displays of emotion are perceived as weakness).

Obviously that's how the majority of society thinks, but then again a lot of sensible people are realizing that psychologically, it's healthier to be open with your feelings, rather than repressing them. And that's not being "weak," it's being healthy. For anyone, male or female, it's about striking a balance somewhere. It's just always been that males are expected to be a bit more "stoic," while females are (expected to be) more "emotional".

Women (of color) may have to struggle more, but...(I dunno,) maybe they come out that much stronger because of it. Like I feel that as a minority/person of color in this society, my struggles have made me a stronger person overall, and especially when it comes to race/identity issues. Plus I have more sympathy for others, a deeper understanding of certain things, etc.

So uh yeah I guess I just repeated what you said in reverse. haha :biggrin:

[urbia]

Great topic but wow, where do I start? By definition, to be oppressed means you have to fight through layers of opposing forces stacked onto each other, sometimes criss-crossed (insectionality) in such a way your experience is just different enough from what someone else, also oppressed, is experiencing, making it hard to relate to them through the mess.

That said, is it any surprise that one may react to the slightest obstacle with more fervor than someone who's not so oppressed? It's a formula for a 'You're overreacting' situation. Multiply the effects over generations of myth creation.

[AngryABCGirl]

It sounds like your friend has more issues than just about thinking "women might be weak" and is focusing on that instead in my opinion. Her comments on being the short of the stick and you interpreting as problems being a woman is probably dead on.

There are a lot of challenges in being a woman of color, being an Asian woman, but I don't see those challenge as my fault but rather those imposed on us by society. It's how we react to those challenges and face them that make us strong or weak. I think also by measuring that by traditional notions of strength that are based on American masculinity is flawed and just inner hatred supporting partriachy.

I don't think facing your emotions or showing it is weak. Honestly I think denial is far weaker if that's why she thinks women are weak. It's all based on how you measure it and look at it.

[Banana]

This is funny especially after I just finished reading an article in Men's Health about how men are babies.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Men are not babies. As long as we get all the food, sex, video games, sports channels, beer, money, and fame we want, you won't ever hear us whine or complain about anything.

[Banana]

Yes, we are.

The food is too cold. Too lumpy. Too hot. Too bland. Too smelly. Too runny. Too mild. Too spicy.

[eos]

^mm...that's not called being a baby.

senior citizens do that.

[Adaon]

Men are not babies. As long as we get all the food, sex, video games, sports channels, beer, money, and fame we want, you won't ever hear us whine or complain about anything.

I also need cars and sports and paintballing and guns and......

And in regards to food, you can 'que almost anything and dip it in XO sauce and most guys would eat first and ask quesitons later.

[Adaon]

Besides, women are designed differently than guys, and therefore handle certain biological functions better than guys and vice versa. If we weren't different, and if genderwise, there were no differences, we'd be procreating via mitosis, and that doesn't look as much fun as sex does at times.

[Banana]

Let's get back to the thread. Sorry, Janet.

[tripostrophe]

Let's get back to the thread. Sorry, Janet.

:eek: :biggrin: :smile:

[applehead]

oh i feel sorry for your co-worker janet.
her issues seem deeper.
i think it ultimately comes down
to the fact that she doesn't love herself, obviously.
so how can she find anything positive about being a woman?

i also don't doubt that a woman like her will raise daughters
who resent their own gender.

[eos]

i feel bad for your friend too. i wonder why she doesn't love herself or who she is. obviously she's hardworking and wants to better herself as she's in grad school. those are positive attributes. although i don't know your friend, on those 2 points alone, she seems pretty strong to me.

[cloudzero]

deep inside every1 have weaknesses. the ones considered weak are the ones that show it.

[AngryABCGirl]

more useless bullshit i deleted. which is the LAST FUCKING TIME i delete.


Why don't you mind your own business if you have nothing good to contribute to the thread?

-sorry to mess with your post, ABC

[tripostrophe]

Phoebe Eng - The Woman Warrior -- read about 1/2 + of the book, and it had some good stuff in there.

[eos]

wow...thanks for shitting on this thread. wtf is your problem?

[tripostrophe]

me? for my choice of book?

or are you talking about monkey's comment?

[Hiroshi2]

If your definition of "weak" is being overly emotional and open about your feelings as opposed to hiding them or expressing them only behind closed doors like men do, then yes women are weak. But even if that is the case, then that's only because most women are raised that way. It's a matter of conditioning. Women who are raised in a house full of men (i.e. they have a lot of brothers) tend to be different from the typical stereotype of a woman - overly emotional, dependent on men, etc.

[unGod]

Hey...I think saying "Women are weak" is a really really gross generalisation. Trust me, i have seen STRONG women. I mean really STRONG!
And how does opening up your feelings to somebody you know make you weak? But i think people who make a scene in public are definitely weak..

[cloudzero]

If your definition of "weak" is being overly emotional and open about your feelings as opposed to hiding them or expressing them only behind closed doors like men do, then yes women are weak. But even if that is the case, then that's only because most women are raised that way. It's a matter of conditioning. Women who are raised in a house full of men (i.e. they have a lot of brothers) tend to be different from the typical stereotype of a woman - overly emotional, dependent on men, etc.

may i add women live longer when they live single
men live longer when they are married
the present day is a result of men's head start because of physical strength
the future might be like that one movie "twin effects 2" i think.
women rule the world and men are slaves that are traded and sold for breeding and labor purposes only.

[unGod]

may i add women live longer when they live single
men live longer when they are married
the present day is a result of men's head start because of physical strength
the future might be like that one movie "twin effects 2" i think.
women rule the world and men are slaves that are traded and sold for breeding and labor purposes only.
Why and how do you think that in the future men are going to be "enslaved" by women?

[cloudzero]

no it was in that movie. love was forbidden. i dont actually think thats going to happen but just a thought.

back on topic...
everyone is weak, you have to make sure you don't show it
also, use the visual feedback concept from psychology.
It's harder not to laugh at a joke when you already have a smile on your face. Act strong and convince yourself and everyone around you.

[unGod]

Totally agree with that. Everybody has their weaknesses. But its just a matter whether to fight it face-to-face or just walk away from it and claim to have been over with it..

[urbia]

It doesn't just end at individual oppression. It affects entire group dynamics. Let's say there's a woman who has undergone enough character development and to transcend the stereotypes and recognize her own strengths despite the world implicitly telling her otherwise. She considers herself a 'strong woman.' This is good.

What isn't good is when she's convinced she's an exception-- because to believe herself as exception, as being special, requires the condemnation of other 'average' women as weak. So looking back at the stereotypes in society, it's not like this woman had actually went through a critical thinking stage where she saw the bullshit behind the stereotypes. She merely decided the stereotypes did not match her own character traits as an individual. And stopped there.

This is where you get phrases like, "Oh, I'm not like the other women," which is, on the surface, very similar to as if a guy went, "Oh, I'm not like the other guys," except he's transcending the stereotypes set for a male.

Oppression comes in, again, as a sort of double standard when it comes to society rewarding members of opposite sexes differently. Men are rewarded for adhering to their stereotypes. This is not to say there aren't disadvantages. Stereotypes, by nature, put people into boxes where they are disadvantaged in the sense they lack personal freedom. But straight men are definitely rewarded more and punished less for adhering to their 'proper' role.

A woman on the other hand, are punished for keeping to their role because they are stereotyped to have the qualities that aren't valued in a patriarchal society. The 'strong woman,' a character I made up for my example, can hope to be rewarded by isolating herself from other women based on these stereotypes. She's managed to fight oppression pressing down on her individually, but she's then turned around and turned to oppressing other women by blindly assuming that most aren't 'strong women' like herself.

Gender stereotypes can manipulate women into turning on themselves in a divisive manner. At the same time, all men have to do is close ranks and work together to keep their advantage.

Solution: Let's assume all women are strong until proven guilty, er, weak. And even then there's always redemption. Men are often given second chances while women are more often written off the moment they make a mistake.

[Asian_Casanova]

Women were wired, subconsciously, to be subservient to men - not in a bad kind of way, but in a man protecting the woman kind of way. Theres positives to this - being more in touch with themselves, more sensitive to others needs but at the same time it made them more self-doubting because they were always the weaker sex and could not really get things done. No matter how you intellectualise it. That is how evolution made us.

[eos]

we're always the weaker sex and we can't really get things done? evolution...and YOU...can suck it.

"oh that's how it's always been. leave it alone." fuck that noise.

[TB4000]

Physically, that comes down to more chivalry than anything, as actually fighting with a woman as you would a man is deemed unacceptable. Mentally, yes, there are guys that cry as much as there are girls that cry, but we have it drilled into our heads from birth that you suck it up and move on if you're a man. You don't whine about life treating you unfairly, you just deal with it.

[urbia]

Myth + conformity != reality.

The noise can kiss my ass.

[Asian_Casanova]

we're always the weaker sex and we can't really get things done? evolution...and YOU...can suck it.

"oh that's how it's always been. leave it alone." fuck that noise.

No need to be offensive; women are undeniably the product of their environment. Take it as a positive and not a negative; in case you want to know - I prefer the women of company as opposed to men for precisely the very reasons why you are the fairer sex - sensitive to others needs, thoughtful, emotional.

[artsfartsyjanet]

Thanks for all of your comments. I also agree that my friend has a lot of issues of her own to work out, and she knows it. She has a problem accepting or "owning" her own accomplishments. A lot of how she perceives the status of women is due to her upbringing by family members who expect women to behave a certain way. She's set side her own happiness for the happiness of her family members. It kills her on the inside. She doesn't have to tell me that because I can easily see it in her facial expression. I told her that in order for her to accept anything new in her life, she has to be greatful for what she already has. It's about time she begins that process... sometimes, people don't know how and need to be retrained to think differently if they want to feel empowered or fulfilled as they are. That's just my two cents. Accepting our gender for what it is (and not for what it isn't) , perhaps, plays a part in how we perceive ourselves in the context of the world around us.

[Adaon]

Women were wired, subconsciously, to be subservient to men - not in a bad kind of way, but in a man protecting the woman kind of way.

That is how evolution made us.

I'd like to see some proof of this.

[eos]

No need to be offensive; women are undeniably the product of their environment. Take it as a positive and not a negative; in case you want to know - I prefer the women of company as opposed to men for precisely the very reasons why you are the fairer sex - sensitive to others needs, thoughtful, emotional.

pssh....it was YOU who was offensive first.

and no, i didn't want to know that. i couldn't care less what you think.

everyone else: carry on.

[Azn Retribution]

meh
guys are no stronger than women and vice versa.

guys are just ostracized if we do bitch.
so we're societally enforced not to complain and to deal with it.
its more accepted for women to be open and vulnerable.

the verbal aesthetic definition of "tough" is simply defined as a reference point for not complaining.

this doesnt make the quality of not complaining, staying closed, etc better. just different. I suppose real strength is maintaining flexibility.

[AngryABCGirl]

No need to be offensive; women are undeniably the product of their environment. Take it as a positive and not a negative; in case you want to know - I prefer the women of company as opposed to men for precisely the very reasons why you are the fairer sex - sensitive to others needs, thoughtful, emotional.

You're offensive.

And for the record, I'd prefer the women's forum stays the women's forum because of stupid ass degrading comments from men.

[BaiSanghei]

Misogyny? Alive and blogging. Female self-hatred? Apparently likewise. All *humans* are weak, but more than weak we are self-loathing. Especially when society spoons us the poisen. It takes real balls to sociologically vomit that away.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Thank you Morpheus~

[Asian_Casanova]

I'd like to see some proof of this.

Look around you; women are wired to seek out a man who likes to take control, albeit within limits--if you look at who are the most adored and sexy guys then it's invariably a mans man if that makes any sense. Why do women generally like tall men? Because tall means that such men are able to protect them--you get the picture.

[Asian_Casanova]

pssh....it was YOU who was offensive first.

i couldn't care less what you think.


Well, I am only offering my opinion. Sorry that you couldn't care less.

[Asian_Casanova]

You're offensive.

And for the record, I'd prefer the women's forum stays the women's forum because of stupid ass degrading comments from men.

Aww, don't be like that :biggrin:

Can't we all just get along?

[tripostrophe]

A/C, stop being so patronizing. You jumped into this thread with a rather offensive comment, then spoke down to akane in a way that showed just how rigid your ideas of gender are. And to echo urbia, a lot of what you take as evolutionary facts are simply the result of a norm, and people fitting into it.

[Adaon]

Look around you; women are wired to seek out a man who likes to take control, albeit within limits--if you look at who are the most adored and sexy guys then it's invariably a mans man if that makes any sense. Why do women generally like tall men? Because tall means that such men are able to protect them--you get the picture.

Actually, no I don't see that.

You've given me a hypothetical situation to keep an eye out for, but for all intensive purposes you just brushed me off.

Using generalizations to try and defend your opinions show a lack of thought and consideration in what your opinions would evoke in others when voiced, especially considering the company in which you spew your thoughts, however narrow minded they are.

I'm still waiting for some solid proof backing any of the junk you're just throwing around.

[AngryABCGirl]

Aww, don't be like that :biggrin:

Can't we all just get along?

Shut up.

And this is to all:

This is the Women's Forum, and therefore the women here have the right to speak and express their opinions here and not be patronized by men -ie told how to feel. I'm not saying men can't post here at all, but for some specific threads it's better to for the men to tread lightly or just read. Before someone gets to the retarded argument "omg that's reverse sexism" crap, in might be prudent to accept in society men's voices tend to take priority over womens'. This tends to apply especially to women of color, such as *DING* Asian women who don't really have a space to express their thoughts and issues. For those of you "Asian women have it easier in America-ers" this might be kind of over your head.

This board is a great opportunity for APIA women from different places to do that and an excellent opportunity for men to share their constructive questions and comments and to learn.

[Banana]

In some related news, I heard some of the most racist and sexist comments directed towards Asian women at my work area.

In front of me, an Asian guy too.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ That's bc Asian men are all bitter misogynists just looking for the chance to get back at Asian women for selling out. Well, maybe not everywhere. Just here on YW. Asian_Casanova is one of those dudes that likes to complain about IR but then turns around and supports the patriarchic structure that is the cause of the disparity in the first place because it's all about whatever gets him ass. Either that or he's a troll.

[Banana]

How does the patriarchic structure the cause of the disparity in the first place? Hopefully I get a one post answer instead of dragging this off topic.

[Yeahman]

I'm going to take a middle ground here. There's more to the difference between the sexes than nuture and the position we pee in. Without researching it further, I'm going to hazard a guess that evolution favored different characteristics in women than it did in men. Society didn't invent all the differences, it only reinforced them.

I'm going to use "weak" as in the inability to perform (physically, mentally, or emotionally) under pressure. Physically, men are generally stronger. Mentally, there are far too many more critical variables to make any generalization. Emotionally, we're just different. Our emotional "strengths" are suited for different situations. And there are a variety of emotions. Even the "strongest" of men can become devastated following the loss of a loved one. And even the "weakest" of women can vicious towards their best friend.

Even where we see this "women are weaker" argument in the context of important decision-making, is it really "weaker" or just different? If women are more reluctant to launch a nuclear war, is that supposed to be a bad thing? Rather isn't the man's lack of reluctance in that situation, a greater liability? I answer both with a "no." We need both.

[AngryABCGirl]

How does the patriarchic structure the cause of the disparity in the first place? Hopefully I get a one post answer instead of dragging this off topic.

Patriarchal structure in what context?

There's the way you can look it at that all ideas of hypergamy- marrying up, are based on patriarchal structures that women must marry up to gain status. Some Asian women think White for this. Now personally I think that's retarded and makes no sense that I discuss in further detail below.

There's also the way I think that might be implied here and is implied all the time that Asian culture is more patriarchal - which it is depending on what culture, context, and stage of modernization. It's true in some instances and conditions depending on what segment of the Asian American community you belong in, hell one of my roommates from my freshmen year of college is already married amidst certain traditional family pressures mostly because of her ethnic group, but fortunately she ended up with a really decent guy.

BUT I wouldn't say American culture or White men, especially with Asian women are less patriarchal, it just becomes manifested differently. I don't think Asian women, and some the Latina women who strive for the same thing, get freed at all from patriarchy by marrying White, in fact it just reinforces it. There's plenty of White men out there who have fetishes to those who think dealing with an Asian woman will be easier and less aggressive than a White woman.

[Asian_Casanova]

tripos - I'm merely offering my opinion. If it comes out wrong then I'm sorry.

Adaon - Are you trying to tell me that women would prefer a guy like Woody Allen to some someone diametrically opposite? Don't women want to be protected? Who initiates contact with women in pre-dating situations? Why is confidence seen as attractive and self-pity unnattractive?

Women are emotionally weaker than men generally--that should be seen as a compliment for women. In fact, as I have already explained this is a good reason why I prefer the company of women as opposed to men. Through their emotional "strength"--as I'd like to call it which should not be seen as a weakness, they're more flexible in their thought (ie, less stubborn) and think more when it comes to taking, or not taking, action. This made them more aware of others needs and to not be too judgmental of vulnerabilities an individual may have. Throughout the course of time they have been able to utilize their emotions to take advantage of their unique place in society for the benefit of themselves and sometimes to the detriment of others. This is not a bad thing, mind you, because they're just using attributes available to them due to not being able to compete with men directly.

Napoleon Chynamite - Maybe I'm really dense, but can you explain to me how thinking that women, generally, are emotionally weaker than men can support the patriarchal structures that causes IR disparity?

[deez nuts]

asian_casanova,

please be more understanding. asian women are double minorities being that they have to deal with sexism and racism. they're also hypersexualized by the american media. they have it tough.

[monkeygone2]

asian_casanova,

please be more understanding...

my head just exploded.

[AngryABCGirl]

Maybe I'm really dense, but can you explain to me how thinking that women, generally, are emotionally weaker than men can support the patriarchal structures that causes IR disparity?

By generalizing like that and basically you as a guy, I'm sure understands what it's like to a woman, you support the sterotype that Asian men are more sexist, causing your sisters to flock into the arms of White Prince Charming.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

The idea that Asian women are all submissive sexually available sluts and the idea that Asian men are all not as manly or worthy of enjoying or being in the company of women (as compared to white men) are both cut from the same ideological cloth of the sexist variety. That's the shortest way I can put it without going into a huge paragraph or more which I am not really motivated to do.

[urbia]

Wow, I go away for a relaxing weekend trip and...

Eh, what's new?

[Asian_Casanova]

deez nuts,

Asian women have it tough? I agree that they face racism but to say that being hyper sexualized is a bad thing is wrong IMO. Which sweetie pie Asian girl doesn't want to date a White guy for instance?

Angry ABC Girl,

You're kidding right? Are you telling me that "perceived" sexism is the main reason why Asian women don't date Asian guys? Why then don't Black women do the same or Asian Indian or Persians where I know for a fact that there is just as much, indeed more, sexism on the part of the men? Why can't you just admit that Asian women just like White guys more and use the excuse that Asian men are more uptight or sexist as a cover? Not saying it is wrong or anything, it's their choice.

[eos]

deez nuts,

Asian women have it tough? I agree that they face racism but to say that being hyper sexualized is a bad thing is wrong IMO. Which sweetie pie Asian girl doesn't want to date a White guy for instance?




WOW. are you real? *poke poke* didn't think such brain-damaged thinking could be spewed forth so easily....

[Banana]

I would post something to refute that argument but I don't want to take this thread off topic.

[cloudzero]

Why can't you just admit that Asian women just like White guys more and use the excuse that Asian men are more uptight or sexist as a cover? Not saying it is wrong or anything, it's their choice.

Okay, IF what you say is true, Casanova, what productive measures would you take to help the situation you are describing? This I got to hear. :rolleyes:

[AngryABCGirl]

deez nuts,

Asian women have it tough? I agree that they face racism but to say that being hyper sexualized is a bad thing is wrong IMO. Which sweetie pie Asian girl doesn't want to date a White guy for instance?

Angry ABC Girl,

You're kidding right? Are you telling me that "perceived" sexism is the main reason why Asian women don't date Asian guys? Why then don't Black women do the same or Asian Indian or Persians where I know for a fact that there is just as much, indeed more, sexism on the part of the men? Why can't you just admit that Asian women just like White guys more and use the excuse that Asian men are more uptight or sexist as a cover? Not saying it is wrong or anything, it's their choice.

I was partialy joking with him, but that is part of the reason, especially how Asian cultures are shaped in the US to be oppressive in comparsion to White anglo culture. There's also the opinion for Asian women who grow up in predominantly White areas may feel all Asian men are oppressive because they haven't come in contact with men but in their own family, where admittedly many Asian women are brought up on different standards than the men that are not fair. I don't know how true that is, with with that much self-hatred it might make sense.

Being hypersexualized has had a lot of high profile cases in which Asian women have been stalked and killed, so I tend to err that's a bad and dehumanizing thing, and it's also something that fuels the sex trade in Asia.

I can't really admit Asian women just like White guys more because the majority of Asian women I've come in contact to in my life date Asian men exclusively, if that's too hard for you to believe you're pretty pathetic and don't really know anything your people. I might go as far to say you've been rejected too many times and can't admit it's because there's something wrong with you because you haven't proven yourself very tactful on this board and that women aren't rejecting you because you're Asian but because you're you. It might come as a shock to you that there are women out there, including Asian women, that don't have a strong color preference.

All minority women have done the same thing you mentioned and dated out of their race, including the groups you've mentioned above, and including Asian women who date other Asians other than their ethnic group.

[deez nuts]

deez nuts,

Asian women have it tough? I agree that they face racism but to say that being hyper sexualized is a bad thing is wrong IMO. Which sweetie pie Asian girl doesn't want to date a White guy for instance?


you are obviously not a male ally to the apia feminist cause like i am.

[tripostrophe]

lol. i would've karmaed that, but it told me i must spread some reputation around before giving it to deez nuts again. haha.

[applehead]

can you guys act like retards on a different thread?
should i start one?

[eos]

they don't need a different thread...they have a whole forum.

so get the fuck out....kthnxbye!

[deez nuts]

lol. i would've karmaed that, but it told me i must spread some reputation around before giving it to deez nuts again. haha.

he is obviously not for the apia feminist cause like you and me. **high five** and a go apia feminist cause to you.

[Asian_Casanova]

Akane,

What is wrong with my post? In my experience White guys, generally, treat Asian spouses or partners with alot of respect. And I'm not a White guy.

Cloudzero,

I would start an internet IR dating/marriage/mail order bride site for AF's and WM's. There's a demand there and where there's demand there's money.

AngryABCGirl,

Honey, if Asian women don't like me then it's fine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. Not dissing them generally, because they're beautiful just like any other race out there, but if I wanted to date one then I'd date my friends 14 year old sisters or friends with no breasts and curves.

deez nuts,

I guess I am not.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^Riiiiiiight.

White troll, stupid Asian guy that knows nothing about anything to the point where he might as well be white, doesn't make a difference to me.

[cloudzero]

Honey, if Asian women don't like me then it's fine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. Not dissing them generally, because they're beautiful just like any other race out there, but if I wanted to date one then I'd date my friends 14 year old sisters or friends with no breasts and curves.


WHOA, now THATS the kind of charm that would win you an girl
you just blew my mind :eek: :eek: :eek:


I would start an internet IR dating/marriage/mail order bride site for AF's and WM's. There's a demand there and where there's demand there's money.


oh yea thanks for stalking me, and yes i love the smell of dirty money
you are not asian, your statements aren't that of a real mind
thanks for purposely instilling anger in everyone here

[eos]

Akane,

What is wrong with my post? In my experience White guys, generally, treat Asian spouses or partners with alot of respect. And I'm not a White guy.

Cloudzero,

I would start an internet IR dating/marriage/mail order bride site for AF's and WM's. There's a demand there and where there's demand there's money.

AngryABCGirl,

Honey, if Asian women don't like me then it's fine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. Not dissing them generally, because they're beautiful just like any other race out there, but if I wanted to date one then I'd date my friends 14 year old sisters or friends with no breasts and curves.



why the freak are you not BANNED yet. you are offensive. where is the ban hammer?

[tripostrophe]

@ applehead + akane -- sorry

[SunWuKong]

alright i was going to trim down this thread, but i think i'm going to just close it.

and Asian Casanova, you are treading on thin ice with some of your comments.