Asian UFC Ultimate Fighter gets sent home

[Space_Cabbage]

I was really rooting for this guy to win the thing. For those that dont know its called UFC Ultimate Fighter on Spike (Thursdays 10pm).

Anyways he was the only asian dude there and got his ass kicked by some white meathead. To make matters worse, the asian dude starting balling for like ten minutes cause he was so distract about losing. A lot of them were laughing at him. Way to represent your people dude.:rolleyes:

[BigLew]

Why does it have to be about representing his people?

[monkeygone2]

I didn't see this episode.

I've seen Mark "The Specimen" Kerr cry like a baby after a loss.
Same with Tito.

Have you ever been in this situation?
You feel an intense wave of depression, you're angry at yourself, and feel like you waisted your trainers' time...
Sure, why not throw in the fate of the entire Asian population while you're at it. That makes sense.

[deez nuts]

what a slanty vagine. take away his chink card.

[Deadpool]

LoL I never saw that episode. What an embarassment?
I don't understand why he has to represent Asians when there are plenty of Asians in MMA.

[Paradox]

I saw that episode recently and it was indeed sad and pathetic. Andy Wang is a BJJ blackbelt and instead of fighting HIS game on the ground he decided to brawl like a dumbass. Even his friend told the coach (BJ Penn) what Andy always does and they tried to talk him out of his stubborness before the fight. He lied to them and as a result embarassed himself on national TV. The crying and carrying on about being a "warrior" was just the icing on the shit cake. I feel sorry for the guy but he deserved what he got for being stupid.

[Space_Cabbage]

Right, his coach was BJ Penn who is an amazing fighter (also asian). Even he was clowning on Andy for getting beat down and taking it like a pansy.

I was just wanting a better showing from him cause he had so much potential. Instead he kept trying to go for the knockout which is very hard to do.

[Atealtha]

Didn't see that, but just look at the video of Forrest Griffin crying. Nothing can be as bad as that.

[proazn]

UFC is lame... it's like playing football without the football. whoever tackles the other person first, wins.

that's why you don't see many asians in UFC. it's not for SKILLED fighters.

[mrazntre]

I didn't see this episode.

I've seen Mark "The Specimen" Kerr cry like a baby after a loss.
Same with Tito.

Have you ever been in this situation?
You feel an intense wave of depression, you're angry at yourself, and feel like you waisted your trainers' time...
Sure, why not throw in the fate of the entire Asian population while you're at it. That makes sense.

if you've ever read his page on the Ultimate Fighter, you'd know that it was one of his goals....

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/bios/wang.html

"..He is hoping to breakdown ethnic stereotypes about Asian Americans while on the show, and would like to show other Asian Americans that athletics and academics are not mutually exclusive.."

Straight from his summary.

^--That's why BigLew..

Talk the talk, gotta walk the walk.

[USCTrojanzNo1]

if you've ever read his page on the Ultimate Fighter, you'd know that it was one of his goals....

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/bios/wang.html

"..He is hoping to breakdown ethnic stereotypes about Asian Americans while on the show, and would like to show other Asian Americans that athletics and academics are not mutually exclusive.."

This guy graduated from the University of Hawaii and is attending grad school at Cal State Dominguez. I don't think its really hard to "balance" athletics and academics at either of those schools.

But at least he's not attending an Ivy league school or even a UC school so I guess he did shatter stereotypes of the Asian American model minority in that regard. :biggrin:

[shane]

UFC is lame... it's like playing football without the football. whoever tackles the other person first, wins.

that's why you don't see many asians in UFC. it's not for SKILLED fighters.

You don't watch much MMA, do you? All my favorite fighters like to stay on their feet. Also, spend a day grappling and you'll learn to respect the amount of skill and technique involved in ground fighting.

Besides, we don't see many Asians in UFC for the same reason why we don't see many Asians in any pro sports in this country - last I checked, there aren't that many Asians in this country, and there's a strong cultural bias against pursuing careers in professional sports among Asian Americans.

[BigLew]

if you've ever read his page on the Ultimate Fighter, you'd know that it was one of his goals....

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/bios/wang.html

"..He is hoping to breakdown ethnic stereotypes about Asian Americans while on the show, and would like to show other Asian Americans that athletics and academics are not mutually exclusive.."

Straight from his summary.

^--That's why BigLew..

Talk the talk, gotta walk the walk.

So he is trying to break down ethnic stereotypes about Asians doing martial arts??? Some of the most world famous MMA fighters are Asians. Check out the forums on sherdog.

[mzhsacramento]

"..He is hoping to breakdown ethnic stereotypes about Asian Americans while on the show, and would like to show other Asian Americans that athletics and academics are not mutually exclusive.."

Lol. Let's see. He took numchucks at the weigh-ins. Wore one of those silky kung-fu suits in another scene. Made a quirky little comment (forgot the exact comment) about fortune cookies when he was picked by Pulver's team. I cringed.

And I didn't appreciate the constant white film at the corner of his mouth. I think that somewhat hurt mainstream perceptions of Asian Americans.

At least Okami makes up for him in the UFC.

[nameless]

there should be a rule that no asians on reality shows can say anything about representing us until after they win.

[Moong Joong]

Whether or not they 'decide' to represent asians or not, they still do.

As long as they look asian, they'll represent asians. Regardless of anyone not wanting them to and regardless of them winning or losing.

[VV o n g B a]

You don't watch much MMA, do you? All my favorite fighters like to stay on their feet. Also, spend a day grappling and you'll learn to respect the amount of skill and technique involved in ground fighting.my friend was all into ufc in college and i watched some. most of it bored the hell out of me. i don't doubt that grappling takes skill and technique. i don't doubt that it's extremely effective. but it's also just a bunch of waiting around for something to happen while 2 sweaty guys embrace each other for 5 mins at a time.

it's awful as a spectator sport b/c there's just so few interesting moments. i'd rather watch boxing than mma. and i hate boxing.

as for ur fav fighters... maybe things have changed since i watched but it seemed to me like anyone who fought on their feet never got to the top.

[nameless]

Whether or not they 'decide' to represent asians or not, they still do.

As long as they look asian, they'll represent asians. Regardless of anyone not wanting them to and regardless of them winning or losing.

true, but he or she doesn't have to announce it. all it does is cause more pressure to succeed in front of viewers (albeit probably only a few) that otherwise wouldn't view him or her as a rep. it's like saying your dedicating a game to your dead dad and then you lose the game.

[Deadpool]

I still don't understand where he gets off trying to represent Asians in MMA. I guess his knowledge of MMA was quite lacking. Anyone involved in MMA realizes that there are probably more Asians in MMA than all other people combined.

[tripostrophe]

true, but he or she doesn't have to announce it. all it does is cause more pressure to succeed in front of viewers (albeit probably only a few) that otherwise wouldn't view him or her as a rep. it's like saying your dedicating a game to your dead dad and then you lose the game.

I agree with MoongJoong. And I see your point too, but I think that by at least putting himself out there, he let other APIAs know they had someone to root for, and someone who's actually putting the desire for positive representation into action, yeah?

[nameless]

I agree with MoongJoong. And I see your point too, but I think that by at least putting himself out there, he let other APIAs know they had someone to root for, and someone who's actually putting the desire for positive representation into action, yeah?

that's a good point. i hadn't thought of it as making a statement towards apias. although i don't need someone to tell me if i should or shouldn't root for them, you're right that there would be people quick to criticize him for not saying anything. damned if you do and damned if you don't i guess. i still wish he hadn't cried though.

[BigLew]

Whether or not they 'decide' to represent asians or not, they still do.

As long as they look asian, they'll represent asians. Regardless of anyone not wanting them to and regardless of them winning or losing.

So what about black and mexican american fighters? And white fighters? They represent thier whole race because of their color? That's silly.

[mzhsacramento]

So what about black and mexican american fighters? And white fighters? They represent thier whole race because of their color? That's silly.

Dearth of AA mma fighters in the US, tendency of general public (excluding knowledgable mma fans) to generalize, blah, blah, blah....

Though I doubt that an episode of TUF will have much of an impact.

[proazn]

You don't watch much MMA, do you? All my favorite fighters like to stay on their feet. Also, spend a day grappling and you'll learn to respect the amount of skill and technique involved in ground fighting.

Besides, we don't see many Asians in UFC for the same reason why we don't see many Asians in any pro sports in this country - last I checked, there aren't that many Asians in this country, and there's a strong cultural bias against pursuing careers in professional sports among Asian Americans.

I only watch MMA. I don't like to watch UFC. I've been to four live MMA events at the arena. About 80% of MMA matches are done on the ground. boring. crowd usually boos. The only guy with enough skill to do stand-up fighting is Cung Le.

p.s. I've seen at least 5 asians in the four MMA events i've been to and Cung Le has been the only winner. Nam Pham came close to winning. Pham looks to be a future star.

[AzninDisguise]

Just a thought:

People who tend to ALREADY believe that asians are weak will find validation in this.

Even if there are great Asian MMArtists, it won't change what these people think. Instead they'll rationalize the cognitive dissonance in saying that asians are still weak, but these MMArtists just happen to be exceptions to the rule.

[AzninDisguise]

So what about black and mexican american fighters? And white fighters? They represent thier whole race because of their color? That's silly.

Yah it is silly!!! Unfortunately it is very real.

[BigLew]

It's sad how some Asian American males ego is so damn fragile that someone failing in something that has absolutely no relation to them can hurt thier self esteem for no other reason then the fact that person has slanty eyes.

[Moong Joong]

So what about black and mexican american fighters? And white fighters? They represent thier whole race because of their color? That's silly.

yes it is silly. welcome to racism!

[haplesshobo]

Did anybody see the last episode? After Wang lost, he was still training with Team Penn. But, after Dana White confronted BJ about his team's poor performance, BJ didn't want to look like another Ken Shamrock and made Wang the fall guy and kicked Wang off his team to try to fire the rest of his team.

So, then White gives Wang a chance to train with Pulver but Wang starts acting like a little bitch and whining and complaining how he doesn't want to train with Pulver and how he's like a ronin now. Only problem is Wang is doing this with Pulver in the room, and this is just a slap in the face at Pulver. I wouldn't have surprised if White or Pulver hadn't interupted Wang and told him to shut the fuck up because after hearing him bitch, they didn't want Wang either.

[monkeygone2]

complaining how he doesn't want to train with Pulver and how he's like a ronin now. Only problem is Wang is doing this with Pulver in the room,

Class act. Who wouldn't want to train w/ Jens Pulver?! If Wang did it out of loyalty to his team, that's one thing. But please tell me he didn't really use the word "ronin".

Also seems kinda lame that BJ would dump a legit bjj black belt (for sparring purposes). BJ's team needs all the practice it can get. Was Wang bringing the team down?



if you've ever read his page on the Ultimate Fighter, you'd know that it was one of his goals....

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/bios/wang.html

"..He is hoping to breakdown ethnic stereotypes about Asian Americans while on the show, and would like to show other Asian Americans that athletics and academics are not mutually exclusive.."

Straight from his summary.

^--That's why BigLew..


Thing is, Wang didn't write that. A copy writer took that from interviews and audition tapes.

I'm glad I missed all these episodes.
I just want to know, from those that watched, did Wang actually say that about himself- the whole 'representing' thing? That's a far cry from "show other Asian Americans that athletics and academics are not mutually exclusive".

I remember some unfortunate non-Asian person reading the newspaper and having the 'way to represent your people' brainfart while I was in the room. I had to gently remind them that Seung-Hui Cho didn't represent me.

[Space_Cabbage]

Class act. Who wouldn't want to train w/ Jens Pulver?! If Wang did it out of loyalty to his team, that's one thing. But please tell me he didn't really use the word "ronin".

Also seems kinda lame that BJ would dump a legit bjj black belt (for sparring purposes). BJ's team needs all the practice it can get. Was Wang bringing the team down?





Thing is, Wang didn't write that. A copy writer took that from interviews and audition tapes.

I'm glad I missed all these episodes.
I just want to know, from those that watched, did Wang actually say that about himself- the whole 'representing' thing? That's a far cry from "show other Asian Americans that athletics and academics are not mutually exclusive".

I remember some unfortunate non-Asian person reading the newspaper and having the 'way to represent your people' brainfart while I was in the room. I had to gently remind them that Seung-Hui Cho didn't represent me.


In earlier episodes, Wang went on and on about how he is going to "represent" Asian Americans in UFC. Well, he isnt doing a very good job of it.

I did see last nights episode and he is a complete bafoon. It is bad enough that he cried like a little girl when he lost but now he couldnt take a hint from the coaches or Dana White. He is lucky that Pulver is nice and understanding cause I would of sent him packing.

[Paradox]

It was hard to sit through last night's TUF episode. Andy Wang is indeed a douche and it's pretty awful that a guy like this "represents" the only asian male on the show. He's like every bad AZN stereotype rolled into a neat package. Whiney, confrontational, and speaks in that stupid "street thug" accent. He also ends up getting clowned by the whole cast..even those who were ON his side because he's such a douche. BJ Penn is kind of a dick sometimes but I can understand why he booted him.

Sigh.

[monkeygone2]

finally saw the 2 andy wang episodes over the weekend.

was surprised to see a guy (not wang) i fought.

maybe i was distracted and didn't paying enough attention to wang, because my asian-ness was not affected.
yeah, those 2 episodes weren't pretty, but wang didn't do anything new.
attempts at levity during a nervous weigh-in, refusing to listen to his corner, breaking down after a loss, the fallout from his hero-worship (of penn)... same old story.

actually, i thought penn looked bad- like he was afraid that he'd end up looking like shamrock.

to me, andy wang's just a dude working shit out.

[haplesshobo]

As embarrasing as Wang may have been, I think its been eclipsed and thus forgotten by what Gabe did. When Gabe was kicked off, nobody on either team could say a nice word about the guy. Whereas, with Andy, team Pulver originally didn't want another member until they heard it was Andy and then decided that they would make an exception for Andy.

[2nd yellow]

UFC is lame... it's like playing football without the football. whoever tackles the other person first, wins.

that's why you don't see many asians in UFC. it's not for SKILLED fighters.

This is one of the most laughable things I've ever read.

Seriously. I wish a fraction of the asian martial artists I knew would step into that ring. I would love to see them get their heads knocked off. It's easy to sit in your little dojo and kick the crap out of your students while talking shit about MMA fighters. The truth is that MMA is the one of the only (legal)ways to test your skills as a fighter. If you're a master of kung fu, karate, whatever and you can't stop the fist of some crazy redneck then you need to stop and re-assess what you're doing with your life.

My main discipline is Kenpo-juijitsu. I've rarely used the Kenpo aspect of it. I've fought a lot of different styles and with just juijitsu and a wrestling background I've taken out at least 5 different black belts. Traditional styles were good in the old days when no one knew about them, but now traditional styles really have no place in real life combat.

[pikachupacabra]

Everything these days requires mixed disciplines. Successful MMA artists are just that; mixed martial arts. Pure grapplers get dominated, pure strikers too, the only real successful ones are those who can utilize both.

[2nd yellow]

I'd also like to add that Andy Wang is a bitch.

I think he's lying his ass off about being a black belt in jj. Nobody in their right mind with a bb in jj is going to fight a guy the way he did.

[haplesshobo]

I'm really surprised that Andy Wang was in another UFC fight after his embarrasing and petulant display didn't seem leave Dana White with a favorable impression. I kinda figured he would be blackballed from participating in UFC again like what happened to Gabe. Like a lot of these reality shows, even if you don't win, you can still come out ahead by making a favorable impression. I figured probably like four or five of the fighter might get hooked up with a contract, but Andy? Out of the four remaining fighters to choose, I don't know why you would you have selected Andy. And, of course, he again lost. Against a taller opponent with a longer reach, why he was even making it a stand up fight again?

[Paradox]

I'm really surprised that Andy Wang was in another UFC fight after his embarrasing and petulant display didn't seem leave Dana White with a favorable impression. I kinda figured he would be blackballed from participating in UFC again like what happened to Gabe. Like a lot of these reality shows, even if you don't win, you can still come out ahead by making a favorable impression. I figured probably like four or five of the fighter might get hooked up with a contract, but Andy? Out of the four remaining fighters to choose, I don't know why you would you have selected Andy. And, of course, he again lost. Against a taller opponent with a longer reach, why he was even making it a stand up fight again?
I really think Andy Wang has mental issues. Just listen to him talk about stuff. He's constantly repping asian-americans in the most stereotypical way possible and he's pretty emotionally weak. In one ultimate fighter he was using chopsticks when everyone else was eating with a fork. He just seems like a weird douchebag to me and it's sad that this is the only asian-american that they could find to be on the show.

[haplesshobo]

He's constantly repping asian-americans in the most stereotypical way possible

Yeah, I didn't understand how drinking sake bombs was teaching the other fighters about asian culture...

Andy Wang is one of those chumps who never learns. After getting kicked off his team by BJ for not listening, Wang, with a black belt in JJ, promises to stick to the game plan against Cole but then proceeds to fight another stand up fight against somebody with a longer reach. And, then after losing the fight, starts to whine about the ref stopping the fight.

[mrazntre]

maybe he should get a black belt in BJJ then?

[tripostrophe]

Ai I think everybody is being too critical of Andy -- he just sounds very misguided -- someone who's learning to be proud in their identity as an APIA, but all they've got to go off of is the AZN subculture and stereotypes. It's not his fault that the white mainstream media does such a shittastic job of portraying us. He's representing badly, but his heart's in the right place. But he's representing badly. But his heart's in the right place.