Prostitution

[ism]

I had a conversation with my girlfriend about fantasies we had. In the process she revealed she had fantasized about "being someone's whore" in the context of prostitution, having sex devoid of any emotion or attachment, being a one-time transaction not even for lust but as a transaction for sex as a commodity. Furthermore, that it wasn't just a fantasy, that if the conditions were right, she would actually do it. The conditions being legal, safety from STDs, bad clients/violence, and being able to negotiate what acts and for what price. So I've been thinking about arranging a fulfillment of this fantasy for her birthday or for no particular occasion (any ideas welcome; it has to be as real as possible, and no, me roleplaying the john isn't going to work).

Anyway, the idea of sex as a commodity is not a strange concept to anyone. Prostitution has been around for ages and the sex industry is enormous. Still, women that participate in it are looked upon in disdain by a good majority of society. The laws reflect this, in which a victimless crime is prosecuted because the victims don't know any better; they have to be "saved from themselves." Even so, there is a multitude of women involved.

Now, I know that many start out with a gateway job, from stripping to modelling. Either the lure of greater money or desperation (e.g., drug habit) seems to be a major motivating factor to "harder" activities and jobs. Some are coerced or forced into it. Still, some in the industry claim to enjoy it. So there's a good mix of motivations in there, from want to need.

There's still a barrier that's stopping a lot of women. Religion/morals, your friends/family seeing or knowing what you do, legal issues, health issues, the concept of sex as a commodity, whether it's feminist to be against it or for it, etc.. With those barriers removed, is this desire a common thing among women?

[angel nympho]

I don't think it should be illegal. But I'd never do it. I got no problem with people who do, though.

[teaz0r]

for me i'd probably enact the fantasy in someform of role play:

prostitute and the bad cop.
or
julia roberts and richard gere.

enacting the fantasy would be not because of the monetary exchange...but more like wanting to feel as 'someone's whore' like you said i suppose...and dressing up in god awful clothes can be fun.

*dominated*

but i wouldn't physically go out on the streets and hawk myself...and same as angel, i don't have a problem with people who do it. i know plenty of girls who gave guys three minutes of bliss and in turn for their sexual favors they get a gucci bag out of it. not really my kinda thing.

[macaby]

Dating is the most legal form of prostitution. It may be tickets to a concert and dinner instead of straight cash, ya know?

umm, I love being dominated. I'm teaching Raven to be more of a sadist :)

[Marley]

Originally posted by pipSy@Nov 20 2002, 09:37 PM
i know plenty of girls who gave guys three minutes of bliss and in turn for their sexual favors they get a gucci bag out of it. not really my kinda thing.
How about two gucci bags? No? Three?

[windtorch]

Originally posted by Marley@Nov 20 2002, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by pipSy@Nov 20 2002, 09:37 PM
i know plenty of girls who gave guys three minutes of bliss and in turn for their sexual favors they get a gucci bag out of it. not really my kinda thing.
How about two gucci bags? No? Three?
Let's see ... two gucci bags would be six minutes. Three gucci bags would be nine minutes.

Bwahahahaha! :lol:

[VV o n g B a]

i know this is the women's section, but have any of u guys thought about prostitution? besides the loss of my own self respect, i'd love to get paid to do the nasty ;)

[ism]

Originally posted by macaby@Nov 20 2002, 09:40 PM
Dating is the most legal form of prostitution.  It may be tickets to a concert and dinner instead of straight cash, ya know?
I agree to the point where there is technically an exchange for services inherent in dating. I still think it's vastly different from prostitution, in the sense that there is at a minimum a promise that it could lead to something more. There is also a social interaction aspect whereas prostitution is mainly a business transaction.

I'm not sure if you were being cynical or humorous about it... in which case, nevermind. =)

[artsfartsyjanet]

I can not equate dating with prostitution. Sure there are some elements that are similar, but like ism said, prostitution is a business transaction-- an exchange of money for sex. Either way, the woman isn't seen as a whole person. I'm a humanist, and when people see another person solely for personal sexual gratification instead of the other person worthy of being a dignified person (whether the prostitute thinks of herself that way or not), is a social dynamic I believe ought not exist.

[Hiroshi2]

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@Nov 20 2002, 11:00 PM
i know this is the women's section, but have any of u guys thought about prostitution? besides the loss of my own self respect, i'd love to get paid to do the nasty ;)
lol I don't know if a lot of guys think about it. I never have.

Just looking at the initial post, I'm just thinking, is there ever a situation where all those conditions exist? Maybe in a perfect world. So I'm guessing this thread is purely hypothetical.

[Arex]

When we pay people to pick up our trash because we don't want to get our hands dirty, we aren't necessarily seeing the janitor or garbage man as a "whole person" necessarily "worthy of being a dignified person." On the flip side, who's to say that the person isn't worthy of being a dignified person simply because they pick up trash all day? Hell, many people consider attorneys to be less than human. And what about legitimate massage? Is the masseuse in that particular transaction viewed as a whole person worthy of being a dignified person or is the massuese simply someone who's paid to use their dexterous hands to give a relaxing back rub? Each of these are business transactions where someone is providing a service, for a fee, to satisfy the personal need of another. Yet we don't criminalize the providing of these services. Why then are providers of sexual services singled out? I guess it depends on how one views sex. Some people like to put it on this pedestal where it's something to be prized and cherished, and shared only with that one (or few) special someone out there. But for some people, sex is just sex. My view of it is probably closer to the former (it's generally something kind of special, not to be doled out too freely), but I don't have a problem with other people seeing it as something less as there really is no logical reason that it ought to be elevated so high above everything else we do.

And if women wanted to pay me for sex, either directly or indirectly, I'm down.=)

Alex

[Chris]

Originally posted by macaby@Nov 20 2002, 09:40 PM
Dating is the most legal form of prostitution. It may be tickets to a concert and dinner instead of straight cash, ya know?

umm, I love being dominated. I'm teaching Raven to be more of a sadist :)
:blink: :blink: :blink:

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by macaby@Nov 21 2002, 12:40 AM
Dating is the most legal form of prostitution. It may be tickets to a concert and dinner instead of straight cash, ya know?

umm, I love being dominated. I'm teaching Raven to be more of a sadist :)
That's one way of looking at it, I guess. But isn't the fundamental difference is that you're not really obligated to put out when payment or gifts are received as opposed to a prostitute who basically has to give up the cho-cha when she receives payment. I don't think I ever gave cash to a girlfriend as a gift as opposed to giving cash to a hooker. It might not be a bad idea, since it'll prolly save me time and disappointment in hunting for a gift, just give her the bills and let her do the shopping for what she wants.


umm, I love being dominated. I'm teaching Raven to be more of a sadist :)

I'm not as shocked as your previous point of view as I am slightly disturbed that there is some dude named Raven out there :blink: . Just out of curiousity is that his real name? Did his folks give him that name or did he just decide to call himself that one morning when he woke up? And you're teaching him to be more dominating? With a name like Raven, I'd figure he be kinda raw, toss ya around and have his way with ya. :D

Not trying to offend just more to satiate my curiousity.

[iris]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Nov 27 2002, 10:00 PM

Just out of curiousity is that his real name? Did his folks give him that name or did he just decide to call himself that one morning when he woke up?
How many times does it have to be said, You can't pick your own nickname! :lol:

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Arex@Nov 27 2002, 08:23 PM
When we pay people to pick up our trash because we don't want to get our hands dirty, we aren't necessarily seeing the janitor or garbage man as a "whole person" necessarily "worthy of being a dignified person." On the flip side, who's to say that the person isn't worthy of being a dignified person simply because they pick up trash all day? Hell, many people consider attorneys to be less than human. And what about legitimate massage? Is the masseuse in that particular transaction viewed as a whole person worthy of being a dignified person or is the massuese simply someone who's paid to use their dexterous hands to give a relaxing back rub? Each of these are business transactions where someone is providing a service, for a fee, to satisfy the personal need of another. Yet we don't criminalize the providing of these services. Why then are providers of sexual services singled out? I guess it depends on how one views sex. Some people like to put it on this pedestal where it's something to be prized and cherished, and shared only with that one (or few) special someone out there. But for some people, sex is just sex. My view of it is probably closer to the former (it's generally something kind of special, not to be doled out too freely), but I don't have a problem with other people seeing it as something less as there really is no logical reason that it ought to be elevated so high above everything else we do.

And if women wanted to pay me for sex, either directly or indirectly, I'm down.=)

Alex
I like the way you put that. I totally agree. It ain't MY problem if some people don't give a crap about sex enough to not sell themselves out.... as long as there are people out there to buy your product, by all means, go take care of business.