Do Koreans get a bad rap?

[achtungbaby]

I hate to stir up the embers, but...why do Asians have such negative feelings about Korean Americans? Of course I've noticed small pockets of it, very sporadically, here at YW...probably much more explicitly on AsianAvenue (mention "korean girls" in any of the chat rooms and you'll probably start a mini riot, seriously. Sure, we can talk about the negative stereotypes of, say, Korean men, but I don't see how those are somehow intrinsic of them -- as if Japanese guys don't drink, Chinese guys aren't arrogant, etc.

So what gives? Speaking for myself, I'm pretty pleased overall with our community -- so am I missing something...?

[applehead]

really?
we have a bad rep?

for what?

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Nov 20 2002, 03:20 AM
I hate to stir up the embers, but...why do Asians have such negative feelings about Korean Americans? Of course I've noticed small pockets of it, very sporadically, here at YW...probably much more explicitly on AsianAvenue (mention "korean girls" in any of the chat rooms and you'll probably start a mini riot, seriously. Sure, we can talk about the negative stereotypes of, say, Korean men, but I don't see how those are somehow intrinsic of them -- as if Japanese guys don't drink, Chinese guys aren't arrogant, etc.

So what gives? Speaking for myself, I'm pretty pleased overall with our community -- so am I missing something...?
I don't think it's just negative feelings about KAs but of Koreans in general. I think it is a result of exclusiveness.

[enygma]

actually, i haven't really heard anything bad about korean girls, but i know that there are some negative things about korean guys. you all know that typical asian male stereotype-asian pride and stuff. even my mom acknowledges that she was really lucky in marrying my dad because he doesn't smoke, drink (to excess), or hit her (although he sure as heck hit us <_< ). even some of my girl friends say that they would rather marry a chinese guy because chinese men are so much nicer than korean men. :(

[BeTheReds]

But Korean men are so much more sexier.

Well in my opinion anyway.

This is a heterosexual male's opinion of how sexy guys are so don't put too much weight on it.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 19 2002, 07:34 PM
I think it is a result of exclusiveness.
I'm not really sure how I feel about that exactly. Does that mean we exclude other types of people? Sure, but isn't that common amongst everyone?

[karizma]

not hating on any particular race. but i admit i may stereotype sometimes based on experience. korean girls...ive never gotten along with any, every one ive met tried starting shit with me. what else am i supposed to think about korean girls in general? im not opposed to befriending one and would be happy if a korean girl approached me in a friendly manner rather than threatening me, has that happened? NOPE. so the impression i get from korean girls are girls with too much attitude and short tempers...i know that not all korean girls are like this but ive yet to meet a korean girl who disproved this. cept angel...angel's pretty darn cool =)...

korean guys? i dont know...i usually get along with them and have nothing against them. they arent any cockier than my chinese friends, although to me theyre a little more willing to jump into a fight.

for the most part me and my friends get along fine with koreans except the ones that instigate the fighting...maybe koreans are a little more likely to do this? i dont know...i havent been exposed to many koreans so maybe my judgement is a little impaired

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 19 2002, 07:37 PM
actually, i haven't really heard anything bad about korean girls, but i know that there are some negative things about korean guys. you all know that typical asian male stereotype-asian pride and stuff. even my mom acknowledges that she was really lucky in marrying my dad because he doesn't smoke, drink (to excess), or hit her (although he sure as heck hit us <_< ). even some of my girl friends say that they would rather marry a chinese guy because chinese men are so much nicer than korean men. :(
Oh man, if anything, having grown up in Southern California, the "Ktown Girl" label is practically a franchise out here. Korean guys definitely have a bad rap for their temper, myself included, but "Ktown Girl" has practically crossed over in its universal appeal or familiarity...

[enygma]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Nov 19 2002, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 19 2002, 07:34 PM
I think it is a result of exclusiveness.
I'm not really sure how I feel about that exactly. Does that mean we exclude other types of people? Sure, but isn't that common amongst everyone?
exclusive? how?
well, i would choose korean guys over chinese or japanese guys any day. no offence to chinese or japanese guys, but i'm korean myself so culturally, it would be a lot better. (is that being exclusive?)

[MellowDrama]

You are all excessive drinkers and wife beaters! (j/k)

I feel a lot of KAs take things to the limit more than other AAs, like if they're into studying, they're super gunners who go for the 4.0s. If they're activists, they're more down with the cause than everyone else. And if they're bible-thumpers, they're out trying to save everyone's soul, and so on. I think that's a good thing, but I can see how some people get it twisted.

I hung out with mostly KAs during college, the drinking and partying set... good times were had by all. :dance:

[enygma]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Nov 19 2002, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by enygma@Nov 19 2002, 07:37 PM
actually, i haven't really heard anything bad about korean girls, but i know that there are some negative things about korean guys. &nbsp;you all know that typical asian male stereotype-asian pride and stuff. &nbsp;even my mom acknowledges that she was really lucky in marrying my dad because he doesn't smoke, drink (to excess), or hit her (although he sure as heck hit us &nbsp;<_< ). &nbsp;even some of my girl friends say that they would rather marry a chinese guy because chinese men are so much nicer than korean men. &nbsp; :(
Oh man, if anything, having grown up in Southern California, the "Ktown Girl" label is practically a franchise out here. Korean guys definitely have a bad rap for their temper, myself included, but "Ktown Girl" has practically crossed over in its universal appeal or familiarity...
so, what are ktown girls like? now i'm curious. :huh:

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 19 2002, 07:45 PM
well, i would choose korean guys over chinese or japanese guys any day. no offence to chinese or japanese guys, but i'm korean myself so culturally, it would be a lot better. (is that being exclusive?)
I get the feeling that when people accuse Koreans of being exclusive, they're referring a little bit to what you mentioned. It's not quite "exclusivity"...it's your "preference" to do those things; however, sometimes Koreans will take it a little too far. Koreatown in Los Angeles about four years ago used to be very, very exclusive, in the sense that non-Koreans would have a hard time unless they were accompanied by someone Korean. Fobby Koreans will just argue right at me and say there's nothing wrong with being comfortable with whomever you want...

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@Nov 19 2002, 07:45 PM
I hung out with mostly KAs during college, the drinking and partying set... good times were had by all. :dance:
I agree. Koreans are so damn extreme about EVERYTHING.

I guess I can be an example of that sometimes:(

[applehead]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 19 2002, 07:37 PM
actually, i haven't really heard anything bad about korean girls, but i know that there are some negative things about korean guys. you all know that typical asian male stereotype-asian pride and stuff. even my mom acknowledges that she was really lucky in marrying my dad because he doesn't smoke, drink (to excess), or hit her (although he sure as heck hit us <_< ). even some of my girl friends say that they would rather marry a chinese guy because chinese men are so much nicer than korean men. :(
well, i didn't know "that" stereotype pertained to men in our generation.
more like my father's.

i don't hold that stereotype for korean men who were raised in the states, either.

[BeTheReds]

Koreans can't really see the severity of their own exclusiveness because they are Korean. Maybe I might be seeing it as the most severe because it has hurt me the hardest where as Chinese people excluding me had only a slight effect.

Many Koreans in Korea can't comprehend that someone who has 100% Korean blood could possibly call any country but Korea his home (i.e. Cha Doo Ri), and unfortunately many Korean-Americans do the same thing. I think it is possible that some of the hermit Kingdom mentality that everyone is out to get you still lives on. So this would enhance exclusiveness.

[VV o n g B a]

from my experiences and thru hearsay, it seems as if koreans are VERY exclusive. even some koreans i've gotten to be almost best friends with seem to keep you out of their parties.

and the girls have this rep of being the biggest, most non-repentant gold diggers. the gold digging is only hearsay however.

however, this still doesn't give me a generally bad impression of koreans because as i said, some of them have been pretty much best friends.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Most of the stereotypes about Korean guys are bullshit, other than sometimes being overtly loud or patriotic. My Korean friends have always been there for me and have never failed to help. Can't say the same for the Chinese girls/guys I've encountered. ^^

[MellowDrama]

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@Nov 19 2002, 10:14 PM
from my experiences and thru hearsay, it seems as if koreans are VERY exclusive. even some koreans i've gotten to be almost best friends with seem to keep you out of their parties.

and the girls have this rep of being the biggest, most non-repentant gold diggers. the gold digging is only hearsay however.

however, this still doesn't give me a generally bad impression of koreans because as i said, some of them have been pretty much best friends.
Actually, I don't remember being excluded out of things because I wasn't KA, it's more like I took myself out, because sometimes I was the only person who wasn't KA at a party or a get together or something, and I just couldn't relate to some things and/or felt I was frontin'.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Yeah I had the same problem. Sometimes I would just exclude myself because I was afraid they wouldn't accept me because of my ethnicity or whatever. But in the end, I realized that almost all the time it was just me who was keeping myself away because of my generalizations. In almost all of my cases, I definitely saw my Chinese-ness as more of an issue than they did.

[BeTheReds]

Strange phenominon but I have always felt like an outsider at KA parties but when I am with Koreans or First gen KA's I fit right in. The reverse should be true...

[wylin]

i poke fun at korean men and women because i really have experienced growing up with those koreans who live that ktown highroller life style the clubbers, the drinking, the booking, the drugs, sex, and date rape. really i think koreans in general try to be so hip and try to make everyone believe its so dam great to be korean. that they are the supperior ones and that their culture and products are the best just cuz their korean. I dont go yelling oh shit my motherboards the best its made in taiwan...same w/ my random taiwanese electronics... i think alot of them got too much KP and need to be put in their place as normal people who live in an industrialized country. hence any ilking of overbearing i'll be first to cheap shot or comment bout it in YW and in person.

korean men specifically, i have no beef with, just when they go im the shit cuz im korean, or try to make be believe that korea is so much supperior to this or that. i just pretty much have to teach them the name used to give them "stupid koreans" or "evil koreans". Really from my experiences w/ friends who are not korean they pretty much have the same view toward koreans and korean pride. that they are trying to be seperatists and that their trying to push "evil" culture on us non-koreans and trying to korean wash us. I remember one time in HS sum korean fob gangsters came up to us chinese/ taiwanese guyz and asked us bow in korean and i go who the hell are you, they were like where u from bow to us... i was like no bitch bow to us we're chinese...they like got all angry or sumthing and went to tell their hyungs... they came back and applogized and bowed to us every time from then on... cuz their hyungs said dont fuck w/ chinese people and those guyz we grew up with and they'll give u a good trashing.

[ChinaLama]

ehh I think it's cuz Koreans have a reputation for being all "Azn Thug." maybe that's why they have a bad rap.

But, *shrug* I hate EVERYONE so i'm not really a "iwishallgookswouldbloweachotheraway" kind of guy. :) at least not exclusively.

ohh....and it's also JEALOUSY of korean men cuz they usually get korean chicks, who I fetishize cuz Sung Hi Lee was in Playboy and stuff.

[VV o n g B a]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@Nov 20 2002, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by VV o n g B a@Nov 19 2002, 10:14 PM
from my experiences and thru hearsay, it seems as if koreans are VERY exclusive. &nbsp;even some koreans i've gotten to be almost best friends with seem to keep you out of their parties.

and the girls have this rep of being the biggest, most non-repentant gold diggers. &nbsp;the gold digging is only hearsay however.

however, this still doesn't give me a generally bad impression of koreans because as i said, some of them have been pretty much best friends.
Actually, I don't remember being excluded out of things because I wasn't KA, it's more like I took myself out, because sometimes I was the only person who wasn't KA at a party or a get together or something, and I just couldn't relate to some things and/or felt I was frontin'.
nope. i'm sure me and my other friends, asians included, were left out. i would even tell my friend that we felt left out and still the behavior continued.

but the azn thugs image could really be anybody imo. i've seen a lot of korean ones, viet, laos, thai. i have a relative who ran with triad kids when he was younger. prolly just depends on where u live. although i will say that MOST of the chinese i know are nerds and geeks as opposed to gangstas.

[wylin]

most in socal are nerdy, racer, wannabe gangsters, who study hard and goto UC schools

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 06:00 AM
that they are the supperior ones and that their culture and products are the best just cuz their korean. I dont go yelling oh shit my motherboards the best its made in taiwan...same w/ my random taiwanese electronics... i think alot of them got too much KP and need to be put in their place as normal people who live in an industrialized country. hence any ilking of overbearing i'll be first to cheap shot or comment bout it in YW and in person.

i remember as a kid, my best friend, who's Korean American, would look at product labels. If it's shoddy, he'd look to see if it's Made in China and if it was good, he'd look to see if it's made in Korea. unfortunately, most of the time, he was right. :(

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 19 2002, 10:47 PM

so, what are ktown girls like? now i'm curious. :huh:
Not as cool as the K-town girls here in NYC! From what I'm gathering. :D

[Hanuman]

I had one bad experiance with a group of Korean guys. I was dating a Korean girl back in college and they made it pretty clear that they weren't happy with it. That was a first for me, I never would have thought an asian would be made about asians dating other asians? But I guess they didn't see it that way.

Here in Westchester, I don't know that many Asians, but the of the 2 I hang out with one is Chinese and the other is Korean and they are my best buds. In fact one of the them is who sent my this link.

[enygma]

i know a lot of people are hating on the koreans even on this board because of the whole korean pride thing, but hey, that's better than having no pride at all.

[ellsworth81]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 19 2002, 07:37 PM
actually, i haven't really heard anything bad about korean girls, but i know that there are some negative things about korean guys. you all know that typical asian male stereotype-asian pride and stuff. even my mom acknowledges that she was really lucky in marrying my dad because he doesn't smoke, drink (to excess), or hit her (although he sure as heck hit us <_< ). even some of my girl friends say that they would rather marry a chinese guy because chinese men are so much nicer than korean men. :(
hehe, if that were the case, i'd be seeing more korean ladies, now wouldn't i? :P oh wait, i forgot. i'm not cool like that. :rolleyes:

[ellsworth81]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Nov 20 2002, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by enygma@Nov 19 2002, 10:47 PM

so, what are ktown girls like? &nbsp;now i'm curious. &nbsp; :huh:
Not as cool as the K-town girls here in NYC! From what I'm gathering. :D
yes, not being from cali in any form ... please indulge us about these "K-town" girls. I can't imagine them being too different from the NYC gals.

[wylin]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 20 2002, 07:34 AM
i know a lot of people are hating on the koreans even on this board because of the whole korean pride thing, but hey, that's better than having no pride at all.
sumtimes too much pride is a detriment and in socal u can see the ilks of it.

[DaBestSpooner]

kimchi causes violent aggressive antisocial behavior, especially the extra delicious kind from gamae oak

[scott]

There's good pride and there's bad pride.

Pride to the extent of prejudice or hate is bad.

Pride in one's heritage, and history, and a people's perserverance, in traditions and arts that survived centuries of destruction and invasion is good. The only reason that those traditions and arts are passed down or even resurrected is because of people with pride.

I keep the good and try to leave the bad. I don't think you can ever have too much of the good kind.

[enygma]

Originally posted by scott@Nov 20 2002, 07:11 PM
Pride in one's heritage, and history, and a people's perserverance, in traditions and arts that survived centuries of destruction and invasion is good. The only reason that those traditions and arts are passed down or even resurrected is because of people with pride.

now that's what i'm talking about! hullo, scott! long time, no see. :dance:

[Fireblade]

Well everything is be taken with a grain of salt. Of course we're going to see sterotypes around us, it's always a given. But if that's all you see, then you're obviously not looking hard enough.

One my closest buds is korean, and though I've been through his KP pride stuff, it mostly rolls off my back. He too, also views the korean community as a whole, but he really hates some of the fakeness that koreans pose. I'm not saying everyone, just some. Hell, I've viewed a lot of "fake" fronts that ppl come up with. And it's not asian either. Mexicans, black, whites, you name you got it. And there is always some sort of ethnic pride out there, except for maybe non-extremist whites.

So in general, I think ppl just blow up the korean KP pride image a little too much. Of course the korean girls I've met have mostly been high maintenance. There are a few to the exception, but it looks like most of them have been brought up to get as much as they can out of a relationship. But yea, I live in S.F., and most ppl here are snobby anyway. Hell, I'm a snob too. So I think it's just the enviornment. Oh well. :nerd:

[enygma]

i am proud to say that i am not a korean gongju. maybe chicago koreans are different from the other koreans. true, there are some gongjus (like my sister), but the girls i hang out with are down-to-earth, low-maintenance, independent girls.

[axi0m]

Hmm, I have several Korean friends, 2 guys and a girl. All I can say is that one of the guys is cool all around, one of them is a bit of a hypocrite, and the girl is a manipulative bitch. :) The one that is a hypocrite speaks Korean and Japanese, and to me, he says some things about Japan that I kinda don't like, but it's OK I guess. He has a Japanese girlfriend, but he tells stories about how Korea is so much better than Japan. Also, he always makes a point of saying how Korean guys are so much tougher and more agressive than Japanese guys. He always talks about how Korean guys could kick any Japanese guy's ass, etc. I dunno, it just gets annoying after a while, me being part Japanese myself. The girl is just crazy. My Vietnamese friend liked this Korean girl for 2 years, finally asked her out (after she had been flirting with him for all this time as well) and she said no. The ONLY reason is because he wasn't Korean, but the worst thing is.... she used him to get over $1000 of stuff throughout this time. AND she STILL makes him buy stuff for her (he's really nice and doesn't want to make her mad because he still wants to be friends, so he does all this stuff for her.) I can't believe she'd do that to this poor guy, but she doesn't even seem to realize she's doing it. She also talks about how she doesn't like white guys at all and I look completely white. So, not only is my Japanese side hated by her, so is my white side. :) Oh well, that's my experience with Koreans. I know one really nice one, one semi-nice one, and one bitch. Hehe.

-Satoshi-
P.S. Sorry for the ramble.

[angel nympho]

I hope this doesn't offend anybody. If it does, I'm kidding.

Koreans.... suck. At least the "typical" ones do. I cannot stand those *holier than thou* attitudes.

Just the ones that fit into that *typical* category, though. I know a lot of down ass Koreans.

[lethal]

I've heard the stereotypes of both Korean girls and guys, but I can't say I've ever experienced any of it personally.

My 2 best friends in school are 2 Korean girls. Neither of them fit the bad stereotype, although one of them is quite Christian. She hasn't tried to convert me yet :)

Admittedly, my exposure is pretty minimal, so there's no real basis to form an solid opinion, but is the reputation of Koreans any worse than the reputation of any other Asian ethnicity to other Asians?

[axi0m]

Oh yeah, the Korean girl I know is VERY Christian too. She hasn't tried to convert me either so that's ok though. (Her dad is a pastor.)

-Satoshi-

[lethal]

Yeah...my friend's dad is the pastor at their church as well. He just got back from this mission to China, North Korea, and Russia I think.

[axi0m]

Well, I have nothing wrong with it. But the thing is, she acts very un-Christian sometimes.. Oh wait, a lot of the time. ;)

-Satoshi-

[wylin]

Originally posted by axi0m@Nov 23 2002, 02:14 AM
Well, I have nothing wrong with it. But the thing is, she acts very un-Christian sometimes.. Oh wait, a lot of the time. ;)

-Satoshi-
church every sunday after clubbing and getting sex from her church friend/ oppa right! <_<

[bwc]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 25 2002, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by axi0m@Nov 23 2002, 02:14 AM
Well, I have nothing wrong with it. But the thing is, she acts very un-Christian sometimes.. Oh wait, a lot of the time. &nbsp;;)

-Satoshi-
church every sunday after clubbing and getting sex from her church friend/ oppa right! <_<
hahaha :lol:

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 25 2002, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by axi0m@Nov 23 2002, 02:14 AM
Well, I have nothing wrong with it. But the thing is, she acts very un-Christian sometimes.. Oh wait, a lot of the time. &nbsp;;)

-Satoshi-
church every sunday after clubbing and getting sex from her church friend/ oppa right! <_<
yup, my friend got played by one of those types. goes to all the evangelical activities, fellowships, bible studies, whatever, pretends she does nothing outside of church and she's all innocent and virginal, etc. acts all clingy on him while they're in church, gets him buying her dinners and shopping stuff, all the while refusing his invitations to hang out in any social setting that's not explicitly evangelical Christian and organized by her church.

he thinks it's cuz she really is a good Christian girl devoted to the church, he tries to play up his own image as the good Christian guy, all the meantime on the outside she's off clubbing, drinking, hooking up, etc. evangelical guys really get kicked in the nuts ... glad I'm a Catholic ...

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 25 2002, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by axi0m@Nov 23 2002, 02:14 AM
Well, I have nothing wrong with it. But the thing is, she acts very un-Christian sometimes.. Oh wait, a lot of the time. &nbsp;;)

-Satoshi-
church every sunday after clubbing and getting sex from her church friend/ oppa right! <_<
Hook me up, Wil!

I lub that......

[wylin]

yah a girl thats a saintly sinner, all my korean friends from highschool are like that. they club at night goto skool by day and dress for clubbing at school, but then on sundays act all innocent. i remember them asking me to go clubbing and to goto church in the same sentence.

[Jenny]

I'm Korean but I grew up in a mostly white town. After living there most of my life and moving to LA, CA over a yr. ago, it is really interesting to see such a tightknit Korean community, it's something I had never seen before. I see myself as someone who's kind of outside looking in sometimes because even though I'm Korean-American, I'm not like the Koreans here. I do see a little more animosity towards Korea and I'm sure that if I were of any other Asian descent I would probably feel the same way. Koreans do seem to be a little more cocky than the rest and sometimes I wonder if it's the result of being pushed around by other countries for so long that made them that way. I dunno why I'm even replying in this thread because my post was pretty pointless. <_<