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achtungbaby
12-06-2004, 02:23 PM
Account of Tillman's Killing Is Challenged
Local Afghans counter the Pentagon's already amended explanation of the ex-athlete's death.

By David Zucchino, Times Staff Writer

SPERA, Afghanistan — Pat Tillman died in the dark between two black boulders, halfway up a canyon wall, just below the mud farmhouse of Zamir Jan. To Jan, Tillman was just another American stranger. But to millions of people a world away, who watched Tillman give up a lucrative professional football contract to fight for his country, his death was an American tragedy.

At first, Pentagon officials said Tillman was killed by enemy fire. A month later, they said it was friendly fire, triggered by an enemy ambush. Today, more than seven months after Tillman died, even that amended Pentagon conclusion is contradicted by Afghans who were there the night of April 22.

Afghan police and militia commanders here, along with local residents like Jan, say U.S. Army Rangers overreacted to an explosion — either a land mine or roadside bomb — and fired wildly at Tillman and other Rangers. They say there is no evidence that insurgents opened fire in the remote canyon where Tillman was raked by gunfire from a section of his own Ranger platoon.

Tillman's parents say the military has deceived them and stonewalled their attempts to find out how their son died. Although the Tillmans believe the Rangers who shot their son had been fired on by insurgents, they also say the Pentagon has tried to cover up deadly mistakes and negligence that night.

"I'm disgusted by things that have happened with the Pentagon since my son's death. I don't trust them one bit," Mary Tillman said in a telephone interview last week from her home in San Jose.

Mary Tillman accused the military of burning her son's uniform and gear in an attempt to cover up the circumstances of his death. She said her son Kevin, a Ranger in the same platoon as Pat Tillman that night, was ordered to guard the shooting scene but was not told until later that his brother had been killed.

It was not until weeks later, Mary Tillman said, that the family learned that Pat had been killed by his fellow Rangers. Pat and Kevin Tillman both were members of 2nd Platoon, A Company, 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, which was part of an elite group of U.S. forces seeking "high value" Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters near the Pakistani border.

Tillman's father, Patrick Tillman, said in a separate interview Friday that the family has been frustrated by what he described as deception and inconsistent statements by the Pentagon.

"The investigation is a lie," he said. "It's insulting to Pat."

As a result of the family's complaints, an Army officer said Sunday, the Pentagon is reviewing its investigation of Tillman's death, completed in May. An official with U.S. Central Command said military legal officers are reviewing the investigative report because of "inconsistencies" in the official account. A Freedom of Information Act request filed July 6 by The Times, requesting the investigative report and other documents, has not been fulfilled.

Lawrence DiRita, a Pentagon spokesman, said Sunday that family members in friendly-fire cases "are often anguished … and we certainly understand that." Telephone messages left Sunday with public affairs officers at the Army Special Operations Command were not returned.

The Pentagon first said Tillman had been killed by insurgents who had ambushed his patrol, triggering an intense firefight in which he had fired on the enemy.

A month later, on May 29, the military said Tillman had died "as a probable result of friendly fire" from fellow Rangers during the chaos of a nighttime ambush by a dozen insurgents firing automatic rifles and mortars. The Pentagon said the new conclusion was reached after additional investigation, even though Rangers on the scene knew right away that Tillman had been killed by friendly fire.

On Friday, a spokesman for the Army Special Operations Command said the investigation had concluded that there had been an enemy ambush April 22.

full story (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-fg-tillman6dec06,1,6998859.story)

Faithless
12-06-2004, 03:52 PM
The whole thing's a shame.

I think I saw on the CBS morning news show that they were reporting that a series of Ranger errors lead up to Tillman's death -- whether it was ambush or friendly fire.

Kris
12-10-2004, 01:00 AM
well, hes supposed to be a "hero". not that he isn't in some ways but they want him to be one according to their standards. dying by fire from fellow doesn't fit their standards. so of course theyre going to cover up what really happened.

Fireblade
12-13-2004, 07:09 PM
It was just another recruiting scheme devised by the Pentagon. Make a well-known person who volunteers for the army publicized, and then when they die, make it look like they did it while fighting. That way it'll draw in more people who feel that if celebrities take it upon themselves to fight, that they should too. The fact that they covered it up, and decided to go with that story meant that they just wanted Tillman to be a martyr for their cause.

Despicable.

truMp
12-21-2004, 06:36 PM
Hmmm...from the title itself, I had thought that someone claimed that Tillman still lives.

Faithless
05-04-2005, 09:54 PM
Pat Tillman's Death Investigation (http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=3301866&nav=14RTZSsx)

May 4, 2005, 05:42 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) - A published report says Army officials knew within days of Pat Tillman's death that the former Arizona Cardinal's player had been killed by fellow Rangers during a patrol in Afghanistan but did not inform his family and the public for weeks.

A new Army report shows that Afghan theater commander, General John P. Abizaid and other top Army officials were aware an investigation had determined Tillman's death was caused by an act of "gross negligence" four days before a nationally televised memorial service.

The Post says it obtained the information after reviewing nearly two-thousand pages of documents.

The Post reports the documents show that officers erroneously reported that Tillman was killed by enemy fire, destroyed critical evidence and initially concealed the truth from Tillman's brother who is also an Army Ranger and was near the attack.

Grasshopper
05-04-2005, 10:25 PM
Used him, killed him, lied about him.............and they wonder why average working class kids are not signing up. :mad:

yoMAMA
05-05-2005, 09:18 AM
Used him, killed him, lied about him.............and they wonder why average working class kids are not signing up. :mad:

but who else is gonna sign up?

sure as hell not those in the country club.

Grasshopper
05-05-2005, 11:51 AM
but who else is gonna sign up?

sure as hell not those in the country club.

Apparently they're now looking for anybody they can find because recruitement if way down.

I wonder if they'll start letting gays in if things get worse.

(...........waiting for some idiot joke from nola) :rolleyes:

nola
05-05-2005, 12:14 PM
No that's a good point.

What's wrong with open gays in the military? If ppl are worried about relationships or being hit on why not ban women too? Women in the military lead to many more relationships and much more sexual activity. The US government and military are simply anti-gay male because the existence and presence of gay males threaten their masculinity.

Grasshopper
05-05-2005, 12:49 PM
The US government and military are simply anti-gay male because the existence and presence of gay males threaten their masculinity.

Why wouldn't it bolster their masculinity? Wouldn't a macho soldier feel like "more of a man" if he was around less manly gays?

I guess the gay males who would even want to be in the military would probably not be effeminate types.

Men just think gays are pathetic. They're viewed as "punks" to use the prison slang.

The reason the military men don't want gays in is because they are ashamed to have those kinds of people in their "real men" organization. Same with pro-athletes, bikers, rappers, etc

The bigger issue is gay FEMALES in the military. They are far more common in the military and everybody knows it. So gay sexual harassment of heterosexuals if it is going to occur at all is most likely going to happen between females.

nola
05-05-2005, 01:36 PM
Men don't want to think of gays at all and eliminating them from the military at least in their minds does that. It makes them feel weaker to know that gay males exist and they don't want to get poked in the ass either. Nota Bene: Women don't like getting poked in the ass either. Unless you're fjereaky.

grimfan
05-05-2005, 04:41 PM
I respect Pat Tillman for putting himself on the line for what he believed in. Can't say the same for most people. They'll be all talk about making the world safe from "terrists" but would never ever put their own skin in the the way of danger.

Faithless
05-23-2005, 07:52 AM
I guess this was bound to happen. :frown:

Tillman family critical of Army (http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-866890.php)

May 23, 2005 * Associated Press

The family of former professional football Pat Tillman says the Army disrespected his memory by lying in its investigation of his death in Afghanistan last year.

In interviews with The Washington Post, the Army Ranger’s mother and father said they believe the military and the government created a heroic tale about how their son died to foster a patriotic response across the country.

“Pat had high ideals about the country; that’s why he did what he did,” Mary Tillman told the Post. “The military let him down. The administration let him down. It was a sign of disrespect. The fact that he was the ultimate team player and he watched his own men kill him is absolutely heartbreaking and tragic. The fact that they lied about it afterward is disgusting.”

Tillman, a player for the Arizona Cardinals, left the National Football League after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to join the Rangers with his brother. After a tour in Iraq, they were sent to Afghanistan in 2004 to help hunt for the Taliban and Osama bin Laden.

Shortly after arriving in the mountains to fight, Tillman was killed in a barrage of gunfire from his own men, mistaken for the enemy as he got into position to defend them.

After a public memorial service, at which Tillman received the Silver Star, the Army told Tillman’s family what had really happened.

The separate interviews with Tillman’s parents, who are divorced, appeared on the Post’s Internet site for Monday’s editions.

Patrick Tillman Sr., a lawyer, told the Post he is furious about a “botched homicide investigation” and blames high-ranking Army officers for presenting “outright lies” to the family and to the public.

“After it happened, all the people in positions of authority went out of their way to script this,” the father said. “They purposely interfered with the investigation, they covered it up. I think they thought they could control it, and they realized that their recruiting efforts were going to go to hell in a handbasket if the truth about his death got out. They blew up their poster boy.”

“In the case of the death of Corporal Patrick Tillman, the Army made mistakes in reporting the circumstances of his death to the family,” Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks told the Post. “For these, we apologize. We cannot undo those early mistakes.”