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yoMAMA
11-22-2004, 01:11 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/22/national/22law.html?oref=login&hp



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November 22, 2004
Giving the Law a Religious Perspective
By ADAM LIPTAK

LYNCHBURG, Va., Nov. 17 - The class in civil procedure, at the new Liberty School of Law here, began with a prayer.

"The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul," said Prof. Jeffrey C. Tuomala, quoting Psalm 19. "The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple."

But decisions of the United States Supreme Court, Professor Tuomala went on, are not always trustworthy. "Something that is contrary to the law of nature," he said, "cannot be law."

The school, part of Liberty University, whose chancellor is the Rev. Jerry Falwell, is for now a makeshift affair in a vast industrial building that used to be a cellular phone factory. Its students compensate for the surroundings by dressing well - many of the men wore jackets and ties - and by showing attentive enthusiasm, even for a heavy dose of civil procedure at 8 a.m.

The school, which says its mission is to train "ministers of justice," is part of a movement around the nation that means to bring a religious perspective to the law and a moral component to legal practice.

"People are realizing that some of the biggest issues of the day are being decided in the courts - the 2000 presidential election, the question of what is marriage, abortion, stem-cell research, cloning,'' said Jeffrey A. Brauch, the dean of Regent Law School, which was founded in 1986 in Virginia Beach by Pat Robertson, the television evangelist. "And maybe there are eternal principles of justice that will tell us how to approach these questions."

The new law schools say they are a sort of counterweight to the views that dominate the legal academy.

"The prevailing orthodoxy at the elite law schools is an extreme rationalism that draws a strong distinction between faith and reason," said Bruce W. Green, Liberty's dean.

The claim that professors at the leading law schools tilt to the left is supported by statistics. According to a forthcoming study of 21 top law schools from 1991 to 2002 by John McGinnis, a law professor at Northwestern University, approximately 80 percent of the professors at those schools who made campaign contributions primarily supported Democrats, while 15 percent primarily supported Republicans.

Peter H. Schuck, a law professor at Yale, where 92 percent of faculty political contributions went to Democrats, said Dean Green was right to question whether religious perspectives are welcomed at mainstream law schools.

"There is a sort of soft tolerance of competing views," Professor Schuck, who described himself as a political moderate, said, "but no real interest in exposing students to seriously developed contrary points of view that proceed from a strong faith-based perspective. Fundamentalism is derided."

The Liberty School of Law offers no courses in religion as such, and most of its classes are rigorous, practical and conventional. Like law students everywhere, students at Liberty spend much of their time reading and discussing judicial decisions. But where mainstream law professors tend to ask questions about judges' fidelity to precedent and the Constitution, Liberty professors often analyze decisions in terms of biblical principles.

"If our graduates wind up in the government," Dr. Falwell said, "they'll be social and political conservatives. If they wind up as judges, they'll be presiding under the Bible."

Many of the dozen students who chatted with a reporter over two days at the school, representing a fifth of the school's first and only class, said they were drawn to its emphasis on fundamental and enduring truths.

"We study the law that's written on the heart, the things that no one can deny," Brian Fraser said.

Sarah Getz pointed to the election returns as proof that this sentiment is widely shared.

"A lot of people decided to vote on moral, conservative issues, which is one of the main focuses of this university," Ms. Getz said. "This law school is definitely portraying what the public is shifting toward."

Sarah Smith was one of the few students who said she was preparing to litigate religious issues. "The Ten Commandments issue is on my heart," Ms. Smith said, referring to controversies about whether the commandments may be displayed in public settings. "That and the abortion issue."

Other students said they wanted to go into real estate law or commercial litigation. Most said it was too soon to tell.

The new religious law schools - Liberty, Regent and two Roman Catholic schools, Ave Maria School of Law in Ann Arbor, Mich., and the University of St. Thomas School of Law in Minneapolis - differ in many ways. But they share an opposition to what they see as the moral relativism of the standard law school education and the moral peril of much law practice.

Patrick J. Schiltz, a law professor who helped found St. Thomas, said in a speech there that the school does not want to produce "nameless, faceless lawyers who populate the giant law firms in New York and Washington and Chicago, grinding out thousands upon thousands of billable hours, often toward no end other than getting rich and determining whether one huge insurance company will have to write out a check to another huge insurance company."

In Professor Tuomala's civil procedure class, the topic on Wednesday morning was a law school warhorse: the Supreme Court's 1938 decision in Erie v. Tompkins, a case that has baffled generations of law students. Judging by the halting Socratic dialogue, Professor Tuomala's natural-law critique of the case did not immediately clarify matters.

The Erie decision, which is viewed as uncontroversial in much of the legal academy, represented a disastrous wrong turn, Professor Tuomala said. In ruling that federal courts may not apply general principles in some cases but must follow state laws, he said, the Supreme Court denied the possibility of "a law that's fixed, that's uniform, that applies to everybody, everyplace, for all time."

He noted, though, that his perspective was "out on the limb in judicial orthodoxy."

Other professors wove moral and religious issues into their classes with a lighter touch.

"Your reputation is key," Prof. Jory H. Fisher told her class in lawyering skills. "It is just so easy to torpedo your reputation by doing something as frivolous and wrong as filing motion after motion to gain an unfair advantage."

Professor Fisher said there were alternatives to litigation. "Maybe you could just pick up the phone and talk about it," she said. Prof. Roger C. Bern, who teaches contracts, said that he asked his students to look beyond law as it is ordinarily understood. For example, he said, Christian lawyers should counsel clients not to walk away from oral contracts even where the law allows it.

"The civil government will give you a defense," Professor Bern said. "In God's judgment, I don't know that you're coming off well, making a promise and then breaking it."

Dr. Falwell said he hoped Liberty graduates would choose their cases carefully.

"We will not be committed, for instance, to being good divorce lawyers," he said. "We'll be reconciliation lawyers."

Liberty is open, its admission materials say, to "all persons whose conduct does not undermine its historic Christian character."

Dean Green said: "We think our approach is beneficial even if you don't embrace the Christian faith or any faith at all. We've had Jewish applicants. We might have had a Muslim applicant. We have one Jewish student."

The school is not yet accredited by the American Bar Association, which means its students are taking an enormous risk. If accreditation is not granted by the time they graduate in 2007, they will not be eligible to take the bar examination. Dean Green said the subject kept him awake at night.

Tuition is about $18,000 a year, though several students said they had received generous scholarships.

One student, Dustin Barr, said he had weighed the scholarship against the possibility of three largely wasted years.

"You want to come out of law school debt free," he said. "On the other hand, what's a $30,000 debt if you're making good money as a lawyer?"

"There was," Mr. Barr concluded, "an element of faith in my decision to come here."



Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Rogmok
12-05-2004, 10:30 PM
i read that article, i think its ridiculous. I wonder if people there are there becuase they couldn't get into a real school. Or if they really believe this is a place whether they can get a good 'objective' education.

I mean, paying all that money to go to an unaccredited school?! if they don't acredited, they won't even be real lawyers when they graduate.

yoMAMA
12-08-2004, 05:26 PM
it's a ripoff without ABA accredation, but then again they are gonna work for God, so it's pretty sweet if you look at it this way.....

:tongue:

Faithless
02-23-2005, 04:55 PM
Dr. Falwell said he hoped Liberty graduates would choose their cases carefully.

"We will not be committed, for instance, to being good divorce lawyers," he said. "We'll be reconciliation lawyers."
I don't see what's wrong with becoming a good divorce lawyer with the religious principles in mind -- you'd think they'd could make a good case for their clients against their spouses if they were adulteress or something.

I guess, the other thing is, where would the graduates get hired?

Law and Religion: Will Falwell's new Christian law school make good lawyers or ideologues? (http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1090180437238)
By Tresa Baldas
Staff reporter
Monday, August 30, 2004


Sidney Storozum admits that when he was first accepted at Reverend Jerry Falwell's new law school, he wondered whether it would be Bible school peppered with law.

But just a week into classes, Storozum-the only Jewish student in law school at Falwell's Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va.-said last week that he has no reservations about the quality of the legal education, nor does he have qualms about being exposed to Christian principles.

"I'm not being compelled to change my faith or anything like that," Storozum said. "Their goal is to really prepare us to hit the ground running. And they want us to be really good lawyers."

But many in the legal profession aren't so convinced.

When word got out that Falwell had started a law school earlier this month-the latest of several self-described Christian law school in the country-some scholars and lawyers viewed it with skepticism. They are asking themselves whether he's trying to educate good lawyers or merely seeking to advance his fundamentalist agenda.

Falwell is making no bones about the school's mission, saying that graduates of the school "would be on the Judeo-Christian side of every issue." He denied pursuing an agenda, but said the school seeks to "train champions for Christ."

"We are not starting the school of law to focus on any one set of laws, but rather to train a generation of Christian attorneys who will be excellent as professionals and consistent as Christians," he said.

"We will not be specializing in and teaching young people how to change any law," Falwell said. "Obviously we are aggressively pro-life. Our faculty unanimously would feel that Roe v. Wade is bad law. But it will not be their mission to focus on any one law or one legal goal but rather to train Godly men and women who can permeate the legal profession in any level."

But Barry W. Lynn, a lawyer and executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, believes Falwell has his own agenda in mind. A former seminary student with a master's degree in theology from Boston University, Lynn compared Falwell's mix of religion and law to that of Muslim fundamentalists.

"I think that the Taliban-like character of this is present because Jerry Falwell seems to believe that religion must trump any other considerations in making law, and that is a theocracy," Lynn said. "He wants to be sure to be the ayatollah and he wants to run the show."

Lynn also cautions law firms about Liberty School of Law's future graduates.

"I think the people who consider hiring a graduate of this school better know that the goal of the school is to prepare people for a religious takeover of the government. That's what [Falwell] wants and that's what this is about."

Broad religious discussion

Bruce W. Green, the law school dean at Liberty University, adamantly denies any allegation that Liberty is out to brainwash students.

"We have no particular agenda with respect to the field of law," Green said. "It would be totally inappropriate for us to try for a moment to force or compel our views on anyone. People who come here may feel free to express their views without compulsions."

According to Green, Liberty, which has 60 students and six full-time faculty members, offers the same courses as most other law schools do, including criminal law and criminal procedure, torts and civil procedure, property law and lawyering skills. There are no religious courses, he said. But the breadth of religious discussions will be broader at Liberty than at secular schools, he added, strongly emphasizing the connection between law and morality and faith and reason.

According to the American Bar Association, there are 54 ABA-approved, religiously affiliated law schools in America, roughly a third of the total 187 ABA-accredited law schools. While schools such as University of Notre Dame Law School are affiliated with the Catholic Church, for instance, students there receive a traditional legal education like that offered at secular law schools.

Schools with philosophies similar to Liberty's include Pat Robertson's 18-year-old Regent University School of Law in Virginia Beach, Va., which describes itself on its Web site as integrating "Christian principles into the curriculum," and the four-year-old Ave Maria School of Law in Ann Arbor, Mich., a self-described "Catholic law school" with an emphasis on morality and "natural law," which last year received provisional ABA accreditation.

A dozen deans at the nation's top law schools declined to comment on Falwell's latest endeavor. Several scholars and practitioners opted to keep their opinions private. Recruiters at law firms also declined comment.

Accreditation issue

Nonetheless, Falwell's school is up and running and bent on proving that it will gain the one crucial seal of approval in the legal profession: ABA accreditation.

"The key for us is essentially whether they meet the specific arguments in the standards, and are they effective in preparing their students in passing the bar and in practicing in the profession," said John Sebert, consultant on legal education to the ABA who oversees the accreditation process.

Sebert would not comment on Liberty's qualifications for ABA accreditation, or whether the school's strong religious advocacy would hurt its chances.

He said the core requirement for accreditation is that a "law school shall maintain an educational program that prepares its graduates for admission to the bar, and to participate effectively and responsibly in the legal profession."

Still, Sebert cautioned law schools about the danger of teaching views that are "so slanted" that they produce lawyers ill-equipped to tackle various legal issues.

"You can get to a point where in any type of legal education that focuses solely in one area that's so unidimensional that it has the risk of not being able to adequately prepare its graduates for passing the bar or for effective participation in the profession," Sebert said.

Several legal scholars echoed that concern. A.E. Dick Howard, a constitutional law scholar at the University of Virginia School of Law, said his concern is whether Liberty will be tightly controlled by a church or religious affiliation, or whether it will have the institutional independence that promotes academic freedom.

"They don't just plan to talk about the relationship between law and religion. They plan to show how law flows from Christian principles," Howard said. "That's kind of blending law and theology and I don't know of any law school that's quite that explicit."

Attorney Pamela Harris, a constitutional law expert at O'Melveny & Myers' Washington office who taught a church and state course at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, cited another concern. "Are they teaching tolerance, or are they teaching that there is only one true and correct viewpoint? That would be troubling and that's my question," Harris said.

Meanwhile, the dean of Regent University welcomes Liberty with open arms. "There's just an increasing desire to have Christian legal education. I just see this as a continuing trend and I expect to see more in the next few years," said Jeffrey Brauch, Regent's dean.

"The legal profession is not very well respected today. We're just trying to send out men and women who apply Christian principles to the way they practice law and live their lives," Brauch said.

pikachupacabra
02-23-2005, 05:09 PM
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"The prevailing orthodoxy at the elite law schools is an extreme rationalism that draws a strong distinction between faith and reason," said Bruce W. Green, Liberty's dean.



what's wrong with rationalism?

asvenus
02-25-2005, 11:28 AM
what's wrong with rationalism?
read some Weber/George Ritzer!!
this is silly...like all 'laws', religious ones are not hegemonically accepted and are open to interpretation so im not quite sure what they are trying to acheive here...