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yoMAMA
08-13-2003, 07:26 AM
found this article about Pho on the nytimes website:


Anyone had it? :P



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August 13, 2003
Looking Up an Old Love on the Streets of Vietnam
By R. W. APPLE Jr.


ANOI, Vietnam
SHE used to walk past my little villa in Saigon, not far from the American embassy, her conical straw hat on the back of her head, white pajamas flapping as she loped down the street, soup makings dangling from the wooden yoke across her frail shoulders. She came early every morning, repeating the monosyllable with an inimitable inflection.

"Pho," she called, her voice gentle and plaintive. "Pho."

That was 35 years ago, and I took it for granted that the delectable, aromatic noodle soup she sold, crowned with a lush tangle of green herbs, had originated many generations ago in the fertile Mekong Delta. Wrong on both counts, as I discovered when I finally returned not long ago to this ancient land that struggled so fiercely for freedom. Pho was developed by cooks in Hanoi, not in the south, and not until after the French arrived late in the 19th century, importing their love of beef to a pork-eating culture.

The name might have given me a clue. "Pho" is pronounced almost exactly like "feu," the French word for fire, as in pot-au-feu. Did Vietnamese cooks learn its secrets while toiling in the kitchens of colonial masters? Some think so; others think it evolved from Chinese models, like the Vietnamese language and the people themselves.

Today it is a national passion, beloved across the country in hamlets as in cities. It is almost as widely available in the United States, where few big cities lack a pho shop, and some, like Washington, have dozens.

In Hanoi, pho is a cult. It is served in alleyways and on street corners all over town, usually on low plastic tables, surrounded by even lower plastic stools, only about 12 inches high, that always make me feel like a circus elephant trying to balance on a ball. These are set on the sidewalk, in the gutter and even in the roadway; the Vietnamese give special meaning to the phrase "street food."

Here the soothing broth is paler than in the United States or in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon's official name, HCMC for short). The rice noodles are more delicately translucent, and fewer embellishments are added than in the more indulgent south. The result is light and thrillingly restorative. On a good day, I think I could eat three bowls and leave under my own power.

My wife, Betsey, and I stopped in at Mai Anh, one of a string of open-air pho shops on Le Van Huu Street, which runs along the southern edge of Hanoi's bustling French Quarter. Stock made by simmering oxtails and marrow bones for 24 hours, along with onions, star anise, ginger and cinnamon bark, was bubbling away in a cauldron perched on a charcoal stove. Bowls of various meats — cooked chicken, giblets, paper-thin raw sirloin, pig hearts — awaited our inspection. We chose beef.

If you choose chicken, you will be eating pho ga; if you choose beef, you will be eating pho bo. I don't imagine for a minute that you'll choose pig hearts.

The pho-meister dunks a sieve full of flat, precooked noodles into a pot of boiling water (so they do not cool the soup), drains them and slides them into a bowl. Thinly sliced onions and chopped coriander leaves go in next, along with shavings of ginger. Then the blood-red beef, and last a few ladles of hot stock, which cooks the meat in a few seconds while giving off a fragrant, enveloping cloud of steam.

On the table are spring onions, red chili sauce and vinegar with garlic slices to enrich your meal-in-a-bowl, plus several lime wedges. A southerner would feel deprived without some bean sprouts, and without a plate heaped high with herbs — rau que, or Asian basil; earthy ngo gai, or sawleaf herb; and once in a great while rau ram, or Vietnamese coriander. But the northerners are ascetics compared with their southern cousins. Still influenced by the puritanical Confucianism of their Chinese neighbors, they prefer their flavors pure, unadorned and crystal-clear.

As you will find when you dig in — chopsticks in one hand, plastic spoon in the other — no sacrifice of heartiness or complexity is entailed. Mix and slurp, sniff and gulp to your heart's content, for less than $1.

For some reason the snarl of the motorbikes as they stream past, all but nipping at your ankles, is no distraction. Maybe because it's so much fun to watch your fellow eaters, especially if some are novices. We saw an eager if inept German woman get through her soup by coiling her noodles around her chopsticks with her free hand.

THE Vietnamese wax poetic about pho, assigning it a central and unifying place in their culture. Duong Thu Huong, a novelist, rhapsodized about walking the streets, inhaling the soup's subtle perfume as it rises from the stockpots. Huu Ngoc, a social historian, sees it as a symbol of the national fight for self-determination: even in the darkest times, when the wars against the French and Americans were going badly, the Vietnamese were always free to express themselves by making and eating pho, their own culinary creation.

"It was complete, nutritious, infinitely delicious and yet so easy to digest," he recalled a few years ago, "that we could eat it morning and night, day after day." And so the northerners do, looking down upon the southerners, who eat their pho mainly at breakfast and occasionally at lunch.

For the Vietnamese, even those who left the country long ago, pho tends to stir memories, the way a madeleine did for Proust. I, too, was ambushed by the past. A bowl of bun bo Hue, the imperial capital's spicier version of pho, made with round noodles, beef, pork, lemon grass and whole chilies, carried me back to the turbulent days of the Buddhist uprising of 1966, when John D. Negroponte, now the United States representative at the United Nations, was in charge of the American consulate in Hue, on the very street where I was eating.

Our friend Mai Pham, who was born in Saigon, runs a hugely successful Vietnamese restaurant, Lemon Grass, in Sacramento. She also writes cookbooks, most recently "Pleasures of the Vietnamese Table" (HarperCollins, 2001), and she has developed a refrigerated pho stock base, marketed to restaurants and institutions by StockPot, a subsidiary of the Campbell Soup Company.

Why, I asked her recently, does pho fascinate you so much?

"It's so beefy!" she exclaimed with a smile and without hesitation. "For me, it's the ultimate comfort food. You smell the soup's perfume, and it's so beefy!"

Her husband, Greg Drescher, director of education at the Napa Valley campus of the Culinary Institute of America, chimed in. Perhaps for the Vietnamese, for most of whom beef remains a great luxury, he said, but not for Americans, for whom it is one of life's commonplaces.

What attracts me is the hypnotic mixture of flavors in the broth, especially those imparted by spices like star anise and ginger. Preliminary charring of the onions and ginger adds a smoky undertone. In the south, the mingling of sweet, sour and salty tastes is further augmented by a few dashes of nuoc mam, the fermented fish sauce that plays the same role in Vietnam that soy plays in much of Asia. The clearest and most pungent comes from Phu Quoc island, off the south coast.

No one has ever accused me of being a minimalist; when I'm lucky enough to land within range of an In-N-Out burger joint, for example, I order my double double with the works. So it's no surprise that I load up my pho with a couple of squeezes of lime juice, a scattering of bean sprouts (if they're sufficiently crunchy), a disk or two of hot green chili and a variety of herb leaves, pulled carefully from their stems.

That's the Saigon style: a bowl of soup and a salad, all in one.

SAIGON, or HCMC, to be proper about it, has a range of soup shops, from tiny ones in the Hanoi style to a few pho factories like Pho 2000, near the Ben Thanh market, which Bill Clinton put on the map by eating there. Occasionally, a gifted, energetic cook will make pho at home — a major task, given the time needed to make the broth — and one of the best bowls we ate was served to us at home by Nguyen Huu Hoang Trang, a veteran of restaurant kitchens.

So fine was her touch that every one of the key ingredients, from cinnamon to anise to ginger to onions, was individually discernible in the perfumed steam that rose from the soup, and in the flavor, too.

You could miss my favorite breakfast place in downtown Saigon if you got there at the wrong time of day, which is anytime after about 11 in the morning. There is no sign, and most of the furnishings disappear after the close of business.

Run by a tiny, wizened man whom people call Chu Sau, which means Sixth Uncle, it consists of a few battered Formica tables in a gloomy alley covered with a corrugated tin roof, plus several of those diabolically low tables and chairs, murder for my aging knees, on the sidewalk. The address is 39 Mac Thi Buoi, two long blocks from the Caravelle Hotel, toward the river.

Chu Sau's limpid pho comes with a bowl of notably crisp mung bean sprouts, hoisin sauce (best avoided, I think, because it muddies the soup's flavor) and an unusually bright orange chili sauce, as well as Asian basil and fuzzy-leafed mint. What set it apart, for me, was the mellowness of the amber-hued broth, in which the taste of cinnamon was pronounced. It glittered in the mouth, the way homemade bouillon does and beef stock made from a cube doesn't.

The noodles were perfectly al dente, if you will permit a solecism, and I enjoyed them so much that I didn't even give myself a demerit when I splashed chili sauce all over my white polo shirt.

Pho Dau, located in a courtyard off Nam Ky Khoi Nghia Boulevard, which leads to the airport, is an entirely different kettle of soup. During the war, it was a hangout for South Vietnamese generals; now it is a haunt of the new, privileged capitalists, whose Mercedes S.U.V.'s and $6,000 Honda motorbikes are parked out front. Bits of beef cartilage and tendon enrich its broth, as do quantities of coriander.

With our pho, we drank glasses of fabulously smooth ca phe sua da, which is Vietnamese filter coffee, served iced with condensed milk. As we watched the well-dressed customers eating pho for breakfast, we talked about how odd soup seems to us Americans as a daily curtain-raiser. But it isn't that strange, really: the Japanese eat miso; the Chinese eat congee, a soupy porridge; the French (particularly Parisians) eat onion soup after a night on the town; and the Hungarians eat sauerkraut-and-sausage soup to ease a hangover.

Pho Hoa, an open-front restaurant on Pasteur Street, is less grubby and more cosmopolitan than most noodle shops, with comfortable tables and chairs. I learned some more lessons there, even though it came late on our soup schedule. Lesson 1: the richness that characterizes well-made pho broth comes not from fat, which must be skimmed from the broth, but from marrow. Lesson 2: you can order not only rare beef (tai) in your pho, but also well-done beef (chin) and fatty beef (gau).

My teachers were the affable gent at the next table, Lam-Hoang Nguyen, a visiting Vietnamese restaurateur from Thunder Bay, Ontario, on Lake Superior, and his wife, Kim-Ha Lai.

"When we come back," he confided after a while, "we always go right into the street. The street is where you find the quality in Saigon — not in hotels."

THAT'S good advice, not only in HCMC, and not only when you want a bowl of pho. Vietnam is full of quick, fresh, readily available nibbles, and many people eat four or five mini-meals every day.

In the main Saigon market, Ben Thanh, where you can buy a suitcase, look live snakes in the eye, shop for spices and snack the day away, we discovered bun thit nuong — an irresistible combination of vermicelli threads tossed in scallion oil, topped with lettuce, strips of barbecued pork, cucumber and carrot slices and peanuts, and dressed with nuoc cham, a luscious sauce made from nuoc mam diluted with water, sugar, lime juice and chilies. Sweet and tart, bland and spicy, soft and crunchy, ample but light, it made a luscious hot-weather lunch early one afternoon.

No wonder Mr. Drescher always makes a point of heading for the market to eat bun thit as soon as he steps off the plane from California.

One evening at Anh Thi, one of several Saigon crepe shops in narrow Dinh Cong Trang Street, we watched orange tongues of flame dart from underneath charcoal braziers to lick at the dusk. The crepes are called banh xeo, the word "xeo" an onomatopoeic rendering of the sound of batter hitting the pan.

The cooks sit on low benches in front of batteries of braziers topped with 12-inch pans; they control the speed of cooking by shifting pans from one fire to another. The crepes are yet another example of the Vietnamese genius for combining inexpensive ingredients to produce lively but never overpowering tastes and intriguing textures. In this case the secrets are a light, bright crepe batter made with rice powder, coconut milk, local curry powder and turmeric; a filling of shrimp, bean sprouts and unsmoked bacon; and, as is so often the case here, a wrap and a dip.

You tear off a piece of crepe, wrap it in a mustard-green leaf with an aroma so sharp that it made me sneeze, add a chili and some mint, and dip the whole package in peppery, faintly sweet, faintly fishy nuoc cham. The special crepe, with an extra-large portion of shrimp, cost all of $1.35.

"Delicious, nutritious and cheap," Betsey said. "I think that's a pretty tough combination to beat."

At Lac Thien in Hue, whose proprietors are deaf-mutes, we sampled the local version of crepes, known as banh khoai, or "happy pancakes," served at steel-topped tables. These are smaller, about six inches in diameter, sweeter and eggier. They are served not with mustard greens but with coriander and mint, and not with nuoc cham but with a fermented soybean sauce.

Cha Ca La Vong in Hanoi, owned by the same family for generations, serves stunning freshwater fish, cubed and braised with turmeric. Dill, spring onions, peanuts and chilies are at hand to enliven flavor.

Splendid stuff. But except for pho, no street food we ate could touch the phenomenal fare at Bun Cha Hang Manh in Hanoi's Old Quarter, a four-story warren of tiny rooms and cracked floors. Crouching women cook everything on tiny propane stoves in the open-air entrance hall. "Everything" consists of two items, both of which are the best of their kind available, in Hanoi or anywhere else, for that matter.

One of them is bun cha, Vietnam's apotheosis of the pig. It consists of charcoal-grilled strips of belly pork and pork patties the size of a silver dollar. These arrive at a table laden with a plate of rice noodles, a plate of red and green lettuce and herbs of every description, a little bowl of finely chopped young garlic and a bigger bowl of nuoc cham, with slices of tenderizing papaya bobbing gaily in it. For hotheads, there are incendiary bird chilies.

Hang Manh's second dish is spring rolls (nem ran in the north and cha gio in the south) — great fat ones, as thick as your thumb, packed with crab, ground pork, wood-ear mushrooms, onions and bean threads. I noticed right away that the frying oil was changed every few minutes, and of course the rolls emerged from it crackling, light and greaseless.

"These rolls make the rest of what we've had here taste like so many Rice Krispies," Betsey announced.

We went twice, at 11:30 a.m. both times, to avoid the throngs that pack this humble restaurant, while ignoring others serving similar specialties. We ate until we could eat no more. I wonder: can there be any better $3 lunch for two, anywhere in the world?

lethal
08-13-2003, 07:53 AM
Interesting that it was in the NY Times, as there is NO GOOD PHO IN NYC!!!

Dammit. I had to get that off my chest.

A better question for members of the board is "Who hasn't had Pho lately?" :D

yoMAMA
08-13-2003, 07:58 AM
:huh: {me looks around nervoulsy} :huh:




raises his hand



Me!

tommyhtown
08-13-2003, 08:14 AM
Myuncle once told me there was a widespread rumor in Thailand some years ago about how eating pho can make your penis shrink.

Damn ignorant Thais!

yoMAMA
08-13-2003, 08:19 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-tommyhtown+Aug 13 2003, 07:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tommyhtown @ Aug 13 2003, 07:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Myuncle once told me there was a widespread rumor in Thailand some years ago about how eating pho can make your penis shrink.

Damn ignorant Thais! [/b][/quote]
DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :blink:

lethal
08-13-2003, 08:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 13 2003, 10:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 13 2003, 10:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> :huh: {me looks around nervoulsy} :huh:




raises his hand



Me! [/b][/quote]
Dude, Minnesota has a huge Viet population. I'm sure you can find way better Pho there than you can find here.

SunWuKong
08-13-2003, 09:34 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-lethalweapon+Aug 13 2003, 10:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lethalweapon @ Aug 13 2003, 10:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Interesting that it was in the NY Times, as there is NO GOOD PHO IN NYC!!!

Dammit. I had to get that off my chest.

A better question for members of the board is "Who hasn't had Pho lately?" :D [/b][/quote]
there's good pho in NoVa! :D

SunWuKong
08-13-2003, 09:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 13 2003, 10:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 13 2003, 10:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> THE Vietnamese wax poetic about pho, assigning it a central and unifying place in their culture. [/b][/quote]
uhh... i really like pho, too, but it being the "central and unifying place in their culture"???

ok.......... :unsure:

lethal
08-13-2003, 09:47 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 13 2003, 12:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 13 2003, 12:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> uhh... i really like pho, too, but it being the "central and unifying place in their culture"???

ok.......... :unsure: [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I dunno about that either, but you know, its the Times..."All the news that's fit to print, even if Jayson Blair made it up" :P

himura-dono
08-13-2003, 09:51 AM
like pho, and there's plenty of good places in cali, but viet guys livin the "pho life" is just funny =)

yoMAMA
08-13-2003, 10:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-lethalweapon+Aug 13 2003, 07:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lethalweapon @ Aug 13 2003, 07:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 13 2003, 10:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 13 2003, 10:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> :huh: {me looks around nervoulsy}&nbsp; :huh:




raises his hand



Me! [/b][/quote]
Dude, Minnesota has a huge Viet population. I'm sure you can find way better Pho there than you can find here. [/b][/quote]
Dude, no doubt, Minnesota is like the center of Vietnamese American culture.





Wait a minute, it's the Hmong.

himura-dono
08-13-2003, 11:13 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 13 2003, 09:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 13 2003, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lethalweapon+Aug 13 2003, 07:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lethalweapon @ Aug 13 2003, 07:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 13 2003, 10:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 13 2003, 10:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> :huh: {me looks around nervoulsy}&nbsp; :huh:




raises his hand



Me! [/b][/quote]
Dude, Minnesota has a huge Viet population. I'm sure you can find way better Pho there than you can find here. [/b][/quote]
Dude, no doubt, Minnesota is like the center of Vietnamese American culture.





Wait a minute, it's the Hmong. [/b][/quote]
hmong too.

lethal
08-13-2003, 11:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 13 2003, 01:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 13 2003, 01:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dude, no doubt, Minnesota is like the center of Vietnamese American culture.





Wait a minute, it's the Hmong. [/b][/quote]
Seriously, Minneapolis/St. Paul has something like the 5th or 6th largest concentration of Vietnamese in the U.S. Yes, this sounds odd, but so do other pockets like New Orleans and Milwaukee.

Along University Ave. in St. Paul there's some good restaurants, and in Minneapolis, along Nicollet Ave there's a few places that I've tried and have been OK...Jasmine Deli, Quang, Phuong, and Pho Quan, which I think is the best I tried there. All the places are between 15th and 28th.

sandra
08-13-2003, 12:05 PM
there's little saigon in socal =) pho hoa hiep

moschikat
08-13-2003, 10:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-tommyhtown+Aug 13 2003, 07:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tommyhtown @ Aug 13 2003, 07:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Myuncle once told me there was a widespread rumor in Thailand some years ago about how eating pho can make your penis shrink.

Damn ignorant Thais! [/b][/quote]
:blink:

They've converted and the PhoX restauraunt off Wireless Rd. is now franchised . . .

damn over priced pho in Bangkok . . .

I go to Vin Hoa for pho in Tempe :)

Eros
08-13-2003, 11:42 PM
I haven't had pho in a long time. Not a big fan of a large bowl of soup as a meal. However, that article did make me want some. I might have to get some for lunch tomorrow.

Some of the ways that person described the cooking process doesn't sound like what I've had at restaurants.

My main problem is choosing from the 20 varities that all sound the same in english. Maybe I should learn Vietnamese... :P

Hmm... I've never had pho with clear noodles. The clear noodles soup have always been under a different header than "Pho."

yoMAMA- If you haven't had pho then I'm going to have to introduce you to some of the Eat Street places. *gets all dreamy about pho and some vietnamese coffee or bubble tea*

deez nuts
08-14-2003, 06:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-lethalweapon+Aug 13 2003, 09:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lethalweapon @ Aug 13 2003, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Interesting that it was in the NY Times, as there is NO GOOD PHO IN NYC!!!

Dammit. I had to get that off my chest.

A better question for members of the board is "Who hasn't had Pho lately?" :D [/b][/quote]
there's one mom and pop's owned vietnamese restaurant that serves really good pho in flushing buried amongst the pho bangs.

we'll go. your treat.

ellsworth81
08-14-2003, 06:48 AM
there's minorities in minnesota?

lethal
08-14-2003, 07:20 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Chasiubao_Boy+Aug 14 2003, 09:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chasiubao_Boy @ Aug 14 2003, 09:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lethalweapon+Aug 13 2003, 09:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lethalweapon @ Aug 13 2003, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Interesting that it was in the NY Times, as there is NO GOOD PHO IN NYC!!!

Dammit.&nbsp; I had to get that off my chest.

A better question for members of the board is "Who hasn't had Pho lately?"&nbsp; :D [/b][/quote]
there's one mom and pop's owned vietnamese restaurant that serves really good pho in flushing buried amongst the pho bangs.

we'll go. your treat. [/b][/quote]
Haha...alright. I'm always up for good Pho. Next week?

yoMAMA
08-14-2003, 07:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-ellsworth81+Aug 14 2003, 05:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ellsworth81 @ Aug 14 2003, 05:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there's minorities in minnesota? [/b][/quote]
In certain areas.

For example:

North/South Minneapolis is mostly African American,

East St. Paul is mostly Hispanic/Latino?

Suburbs are mostly White

Hmongs in live certain areas of St. Paul.

I think there is an elementary school there with 80% Hmong student population, and the principel is also Hmong.

There's also a Hmong senator in the state legislature. They are a very united group.

yoMAMA
08-14-2003, 07:54 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Eros+Aug 13 2003, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eros @ Aug 13 2003, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I haven't had pho in a long time.&nbsp; Not a big fan of a large bowl of soup as a meal.&nbsp; However, that article did make me want some.&nbsp; I might have to get some for lunch tomorrow.

Some of the ways that person described the cooking process doesn't sound like what I've had at restaurants.&nbsp;

My main problem is choosing from the 20 varities that all sound the same in english.&nbsp; Maybe I should learn Vietnamese...&nbsp; :P

Hmm...&nbsp; I've never had pho with clear noodles.&nbsp; The clear noodles soup have always been under a different header than "Pho."

yoMAMA-&nbsp; If you haven't had pho then I'm going to have to introduce you to some of the Eat Street places.&nbsp; *gets all dreamy about pho and some vietnamese coffee or bubble tea* [/b][/quote]

That would be cool.

sandra
08-14-2003, 10:14 AM
yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl.

yoMAMA
08-14-2003, 10:20 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmy


cockroaches........ :gross: :cry:

SunWuKong
08-14-2003, 10:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
what? they put an extra ingredient in his bowl and didn't charge him for bowl at all? i need to know where this great restaurant is!

purezero
08-14-2003, 11:38 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 14 2003, 10:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 14 2003, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
what? they put an extra ingredient in his bowl and didn't charge him for bowl at all? i need to know where this great restaurant is! [/b][/quote]
Hahaha! :lol:

:lol:

:lol:

:lol:

Man, that was funny. :D

I haven't had Pho in a really long time. Hmm... :dance:

yoMAMA
08-14-2003, 01:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 14 2003, 09:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 14 2003, 09:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
what? they put an extra ingredient in his bowl and didn't charge him for bowl at all? i need to know where this great restaurant is! [/b][/quote]
I think you get confused with the fear factor restraunt.

:D

537
08-14-2003, 02:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
Please don't tell me that was at Pho L.A.

Pho L.A. is the absolute best Korean-owned Pho restaurant in the universe (is it the only one?).

Anyhow, you've got to go there just for the 'yellow top very hot' warning signs. I've got 4 of them.

sandra
08-14-2003, 04:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-537+Aug 14 2003, 01:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (537 @ Aug 14 2003, 01:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
Please don't tell me that was at Pho L.A.

Pho L.A. is the absolute best Korean-owned Pho restaurant in the universe (is it the only one?).

Anyhow, you've got to go there just for the 'yellow top very hot' warning signs. I've got 4 of them. [/b][/quote]
nope. that's where we normally go. so glad it wasn't pho l.a. we actually went to mrazntre's usual pho place - and since he's vietnamese, i figured he knew his pho. i wonder how many roaches sy has eaten =)

i won't be naming the restaurant here.

btw, there are other pho places in ktown - lots. but i think pho l.a. is the best.

himura-dono
08-14-2003, 05:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
what's wrong with a little extra protein :D ?

yoMAMA
08-14-2003, 06:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-himura-dono+Aug 14 2003, 04:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (himura-dono @ Aug 14 2003, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
what's wrong with a little extra protein :D ? [/b][/quote]
Nothing!

:P

yoMAMA
08-14-2003, 06:12 PM
Ok guys, here's another thing:

The host from fear factor, he's gonna be the new host (one of two) for the man show as well.

And what does that has to do with this thread?

nothing B)

sandra
08-14-2003, 06:26 PM
has anyone seen 'chicken and duck talk'?

i think the best pho restaurant is pho hoa on 9th Street in Oakland Chinatown.

blue hoodie
08-14-2003, 06:34 PM
I love pho!!!

bigwong235
08-14-2003, 06:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 05:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> has anyone seen 'chicken and duck talk'?

i think the best pho restaurant is pho hoa on 9th Street in Oakland Chinatown. [/b][/quote]
dwight said that one's not that good anymore...


THE BLOODY CHICKEN IS RAW!!

tvbdude
08-14-2003, 11:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> has anyone seen 'chicken and duck talk'?

i think the best pho restaurant is pho hoa on 9th Street in Oakland Chinatown. [/b][/quote]
is that the old HK movie?

sandra
08-17-2003, 06:25 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-tvbdude+Aug 14 2003, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tvbdude @ Aug 14 2003, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> has anyone seen 'chicken and duck talk'?

i think the best pho restaurant is pho hoa on 9th Street in Oakland Chinatown. [/b][/quote]
is that the old HK movie? [/b][/quote]
yep. with the hui brothers.

Adaon
08-18-2003, 08:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-ti12amisu+Aug 14 2003, 11:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ti12amisu @ Aug 14 2003, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 14 2003, 10:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 14 2003, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kasia+Aug 14 2003, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 14 2003, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yesterday, we were having pho at a pho restaurant in l.a., and when ab was halfway done, he found a cockroach under a piece of meat.

they still charged us - everything but his bowl. [/b][/quote]
what? they put an extra ingredient in his bowl and didn't charge him for bowl at all? i need to know where this great restaurant is! [/b][/quote]
Hahaha! :lol:

:lol:

:lol:

:lol:

Man, that was funny. :D

I haven't had Pho in a really long time. Hmm... :dance: [/b][/quote]
we're going to that pho place on 9th on thursday anyways, just so you know. :lol:

kboy75
09-23-2003, 08:41 AM
seriously, are there even any DECENT places in Manhattan for pho? I'm dying here! I miss the joints in Oakland and Sac. Now THAT was some good phoking pho!

deez nuts
09-23-2003, 09:05 AM
seriously, are there even any DECENT places in Manhattan for pho? I'm dying here! I miss the joints in Oakland and Sac. Now THAT was some good phoking pho!


nope.

closest one to decent is the one in flushing.

vietnamese population not as big here in ny as in cali.

Tao
09-23-2003, 03:11 PM
nope.

closest one to decent is the one in flushing.

vietnamese population not as big here in ny as in cali.

the one near the library? ehhh i've had better

there are some good ones in china town

deez nuts
09-23-2003, 04:05 PM
the one near the library? ehhh i've had better

there are some good ones in china town

nope, not pho bang.

i'll tell you, if you treat.

applehead
09-23-2003, 04:09 PM
where?

there's this korean soonduboo place
on northern blvd.
they make good pho. oddly enough.

TTChino
09-23-2003, 04:12 PM
where?

there's this korean soonduboo place
on northern blvd.
they make good pho. oddly enough.

Ahaha I ate there, I bought my white friend there, and he was like...omg the shrimp have legs!!!

Napoleon Chynamite
09-23-2003, 04:13 PM
Myuncle once told me there was a widespread rumor in Thailand some years ago about how eating pho can make your penis shrink.

Damn ignorant Thais!

I've only had real pho like once in my life. Hmm...perhaps that explains why I remain gifted.

applehead
09-23-2003, 04:15 PM
Ahaha I ate there, I bought my white friend there, and he was like...omg the shrimp have legs!!!


good stuff. eh?

deez nuts
09-23-2003, 04:15 PM
it's not the other pho bang on prince across from the sheraton either. pho bang, isn't a mom and pop's owned restaurant.

this place has my boy dinh nguyen's vietnamese pho seal of approval. gangsta.

applehead
09-23-2003, 04:19 PM
it's not the other pho bang on prince across from the sheraton either. pho bang, isn't a mom and pop's owned restaurant.

this place has my boy dinh nguyen's vietnamese pho seal of approval. gangsta.


just tell us.

deez nuts
09-23-2003, 04:20 PM
just tell us.

hush woman, i'm trying to get us some free pho for dinner.

applehead
09-23-2003, 04:22 PM
HAHAHAHAH

shaddup and just spill it!!!

kimpossible
09-23-2003, 05:17 PM
Ahaha I ate there, I bought my white friend there, and he was like...omg the shrimp have legs!!!

what rock has he been living under? it's not that rare to see legs on shrimp. most commercial shrimp is sold that way.

Tao
09-23-2003, 05:54 PM
HAHAHAHAH

shaddup and just spill it!!!

listen to your woman.....or you'll be sorry

kboy75
09-23-2003, 07:38 PM
it's not the other pho bang on prince across from the sheraton either. pho bang, isn't a mom and pop's owned restaurant.

this place has my boy dinh nguyen's vietnamese pho seal of approval. gangsta.


talk about a classic vietnamese name... :P

i heard there are some OK places in chinatown in the city bear canal and baxter... anyone? anyone?

lethal
09-23-2003, 10:24 PM
nope, not pho bang.

i'll tell you, if you treat.

I'll treat if you tell.

The best Pho I have had in NYC is Pho Cong Ly on the corner of Hester and Chrystie. That's not saying much though...it would rate about a 5-6 with good SF Pho an 8 and good LA Pho a 9.

purezero
09-24-2003, 06:29 PM
Anyone ever try instant pho? It's... interesting/weird/not that good.

lethal
09-24-2003, 08:12 PM
Anyone ever try instant pho? It's... interesting/weird/not that good.

I have a different one word description of it..."crap"

SunWuKong
09-25-2003, 12:35 AM
Anyone ever try instant pho? It's... interesting/weird/not that good.


ooh instant pho? didn't know there was such a thing. i've seen instant congee on sale in HK. never tried it though.

applehead
09-25-2003, 02:29 AM
i've seen instant congee on sale in HK. never tried it though.


i've tried the korean ones.
they're not THAT bad.

Napoleon Chynamite
09-25-2003, 08:15 AM
Anyone ever try instant pho? It's... interesting/weird/not that good.

I had some Chinese version of instant pho before trying real pho. It was tolerable but after comparing it to the real thing...yeah, it sucks.

kboy75
09-25-2003, 08:19 AM
can anyone MAKE pho? like really, from the ox-tail stock and everything? post some recipes!

SunWuKong
09-25-2003, 08:58 AM
can anyone MAKE pho? like really, from the ox-tail stock and everything? post some recipes!


a Vietnamese friend of mine said he can make pho. he said it takes hours to make real pho.

kboy75
09-25-2003, 09:09 AM
a Vietnamese friend of mine said he can make pho. he said it takes hours to make real pho.


i know it takes hours to cook the ox-tail stock... but after that is done, it does not take long; just need to put it all togther. but i have no idea what other spices go into it. and where do you get the noodles?

Irezumi Kiss
09-25-2003, 07:07 PM
Somebody in NYC have an opinion on where is the best place to get pho?

lethal
09-25-2003, 11:21 PM
Somebody in NYC have an opinion on where is the best place to get pho?

Jersey City.

In Manhattan, Pho Cong Ly on Hester and Chrystie. Ask CSB about Flushing.

I hear there is a sizable Vietnamese population in the Bronx, so tehr emight be a place up there.

Even Cong Ly rates a 6/10 at best to me. Its honestly not all that good.

kboy75
09-26-2003, 07:24 AM
Jersey City.

In Manhattan, Pho Cong Ly on Hester and Chrystie. Ask CSB about Flushing.

I hear there is a sizable Vietnamese population in the Bronx, so tehr emight be a place up there.

Even Cong Ly rates a 6/10 at best to me. Its honestly not all that good.


OK I will try it and see. The best pho i've had is in LA or Sac. Now THAT's good pho!

lethal
09-26-2003, 10:14 AM
OK I will try it and see. The best pho i've had is in LA or Sac. Now THAT's good pho!

Sac?

Dude, after LA/OC, San Jose pho is the best. Then Oakland, then SF.

After that, Northern VA and Philly.

I've never been to Houston, but I bet there's good Pho there too.

kboy75
09-26-2003, 10:19 AM
Sac?

Dude, after LA/OC, San Jose pho is the best. Then Oakland, then SF.

After that, Northern VA and Philly.

I've never been to Houston, but I bet there's good Pho there too.


Sac, yeah, there's a pretty big viet pop there. I do think OC has the best tho. Costa Mesa is Viet city. I go to San Jose for Korean food (after LA), not Viet.

ellsworth81
09-26-2003, 11:04 AM
Sac?

Dude, after LA/OC, San Jose pho is the best. Then Oakland, then SF.

After that, Northern VA and Philly.

I've never been to Houston, but I bet there's good Pho there too.


in s. philly i presume?

lethal
09-28-2003, 08:22 AM
I went exploring and found some new Pho places on Baxter and Centre St.

New Pasteur, Pho Nha Trang, and two others. I tried New Pasteur, which was the least crowded of them. It was actually decent. My biggest complaint is that the variety of meat in the "Xe Lua" bowl was lacking a bit and that the bowl was much smaller than its west coast counterpart.

applehead
09-28-2003, 02:49 PM
the pho place that bunboy was talking about
in flushing closd down.
or he lied.

i think he lied.

sandra
09-28-2003, 03:53 PM
i like instant pho.

lethal
09-28-2003, 07:18 PM
i like instant pho.

Blasphemy!

sandra
09-28-2003, 07:58 PM
Blasphemy!

at least i'd know that there are no cockroaches hidden in my bowl of microwaved pho.

lethal
09-28-2003, 08:53 PM
at least i'd know that there are no cockroaches hidden in my bowl of microwaved pho.

That's what you get for authentic Korean-prepared Vietnamese Pho :p

sandra
09-28-2003, 09:27 PM
That's what you get for authentic Korean-prepared Vietnamese Pho :p

it was a vietnamese pho place. =) pho79 or 69. can't remember which. 59?

what do those numbers mean, anyway?

lethal
09-28-2003, 09:42 PM
it was a vietnamese pho place. =) pho79 or 69. can't remember which. 59?

what do those numbers mean, anyway?

It could mean a few things.

75 and 79 are year numbers. 75 and 79 were 2 years with major Vietnamese exoduses, 75 because South Vietnam fell and 79 for another reason. My family escaped in 79.

For other numbers, it could be when the owners left the country or arrived in the states.

I've also been told that it could be named after an address in Vietnam, the street number of their old house, for instance. I'm not sure if I believe this theory though.

sandra
09-28-2003, 10:45 PM
o, that's neat. i didn't know the numbers had actual significance.

i thought it was kinda like the chinese restaurants here in l.a. - they're either called nbc, abc, abc, etc. still waiting for a cnn.

SunWuKong
09-29-2003, 07:03 AM
It could mean a few things.

75 and 79 are year numbers. 75 and 79 were 2 years with major Vietnamese exoduses, 75 because South Vietnam fell and 79 for another reason. My family escaped in 79.

For other numbers, it could be when the owners left the country or arrived in the states.

I've also been told that it could be named after an address in Vietnam, the street number of their old house, for instance. I'm not sure if I believe this theory though.


what was the other reason in 79?

i've seen Pho 99 and Pho 2000.

lethal
09-29-2003, 07:08 AM
what was the other reason in 79?

i've seen Pho 99 and Pho 2000.

China invaded Vietnam in 1979 and was repelled.

Mostly the numbers refer to the year that the proprietors either opened the restaurant or arrived in the U.S.

deez nuts
09-29-2003, 03:51 PM
It could mean a few things.

75 and 79 are year numbers. 75 and 79 were 2 years with major Vietnamese exoduses, 75 because South Vietnam fell and 79 for another reason. My family escaped in 79.

For other numbers, it could be when the owners left the country or arrived in the states.

I've also been told that it could be named after an address in Vietnam, the street number of their old house, for instance. I'm not sure if I believe this theory though.

smart and handsome.

but, don't let it get to your head, you still buying me eats.

BaiginLong
10-05-2003, 10:08 AM
well after reading the article I can say that at least I can credit the french with something at least

All hail Pho

I love the stuff

deez nuts
11-27-2003, 12:01 PM
the pho place that bunboy was talking about
in flushing closd down.
or he lied.

i think he lied.

i'll have ttchino tell you about that place.

mmmmmmmmmmmm......good shit.

i know i know, let it go csb.

TTChino
11-27-2003, 12:04 PM
No, that was actually my first Pho experience. It wasn't even called Pho Bang. I think its on that street that intersects with Prince, isn't it 41st? Across the street from the parks where the kids play basketball.

It's not a chain. I went there a few times, sit there, clean your chopsticks in the hot water they give u in cups. The utensils are already on the table in a little cylinder thing. It was really good. It's on the same street as that malay restaurant and the one where they make the noodles by hand in the back. I haven't been there in awhile, so I dunno whats there now.

yoMAMA
09-01-2004, 11:01 PM
anyone thinking about pho for lunch?

[ok i'm typing this @ 1am..... :tongue: ]

hooligan
09-02-2004, 12:09 AM
:: shrug :: i had coldstone, but i would like some pho too. especially with a lot of saracha. yum!

yoMAMA
09-02-2004, 12:39 PM
mission accomplished.

:biggrin:

had pho for lunch

SunWuKong
09-02-2004, 12:44 PM
it has occured to me that we have several threads on pho now, but since our search function sucks, it would take forever for me to dig them up and merge them. if anybody has a lot of free time, please dig them and bump them so i can merge them all together.

sandra
09-02-2004, 01:22 PM
it has occured to me that we have several threads on pho now, but since our search function sucks, it would take forever for me to dig them up and merge them. if anybody has a lot of free time, please dig them and bump them so i can merge them all together.

do it, otherwise rad and i will give you bad karma.

bluemonq
09-02-2004, 01:42 PM
man, pho is getting so expensive. i'd eat it more often but im more used to like $3, maybe $3.50 a bowl... now it's like 4 or 5. and you have to admit, pho isn't very filling, even with the extra large bowls...

yoMAMA
09-02-2004, 02:24 PM
it has occured to me that we have several threads on pho now, but since our search function sucks, it would take forever for me to dig them up and merge them. if anybody has a lot of free time, please dig them and bump them so i can merge them all together.

actually i did a couple searches, but nothing came out.

that's why i started a new thread :wink:

hooligan
09-02-2004, 02:41 PM
http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=8813&highlight=noodle

moser
09-02-2004, 03:28 PM
Is pho supposed to be fairly light (i.e. compared to Taiwan's beef noodle soup/niu rou mian)?

Only had it once, dunno if it was the takeout place or what, but... beh.

SunWuKong
09-03-2004, 08:01 AM
actually i did a couple searches, but nothing came out.

well yes, that's why i said our search function sucks.

Is pho supposed to be fairly light (i.e. compared to Taiwan's beef noodle soup/niu rou mian)?

Only had it once, dunno if it was the takeout place or what, but... beh.

i guess it's something about the pho broth that's different from niu rou mian.

bluemonq
09-03-2004, 08:31 AM
i don't know about it being lighter, but the taste is definitely different. part of it i guess is because a lot of pho places i've been to add msg. not so much for the niu rou mian. i think the bigger difference comes from the noodles. i find niu rou mian noodles to be more filling. still, i need to eat like two bowls. anybody know any good noodle places in berkeley?

tvbdude
09-09-2004, 12:29 AM
I'll treat if you tell.

The best Pho I have had in NYC is Pho Cong Ly on the corner of Hester and Chrystie. That's not saying much though...it would rate about a 5-6 with good SF Pho an 8 and good LA Pho a 9.

yea it wasn't that good. I went there on monday. small bowls.