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haku
05-14-2004, 09:43 AM
STYLE & CULTURE
May 12, 2004 LA TImes
Sex and the Asian man
Stereotypes that they are less than masculine have had lingering effects. But athletes, movie stars and even porn are revealing a desired image.

By David Pierson, Times Staff Writer

Wanting to know what the mostly Asian American class considered desirable, professor Darrell Hamamoto asked: What posters are on your bedroom walls? After an uncomfortable silence, Hamamoto got the names he expected — celebrities such as Brad Pitt. There wasn't an Asian among them, which reinforced what he has long believed: that clichés and stereotypes about Asian men have rendered them sexual afterthoughts.

"You aren't creating your own images," the 50-year-old Japanese American told the UC Davis class. "Make your own movies. You have to take it into your own hands." Like Hamamoto, hundreds of Asian American men are writing books and poems and creating websites in hopes of redefining themselves by combating the enduring notion that they are sub-masculine. Many are offended that Asian men are projected as power players when it comes to intellectual intercourse but bystanders in the world of romance.

"Racist myths and assumptions about smaller stature … smaller eyes — and less sexual and erotic drive — have stymied the development and acceptance of Asian American men as full erotic beings," writes novelist and UCLA professor Russell Leong in the foreword of "On a Bed of Rice," a collection of Asian American erotic literature.

Internet forums for Asians are saturated with discussion groups with titles such as "Raise Your Hand if You Love Asian Men!!" A thread on http://www.modelminority.com titled "When the Asian Guy Tries Too Hard" discusses the difficulty some Asian American men have attracting non-Asians — often considered a successful sign of crossover appeal. It registered 1,689 hits in two weeks.

Phil Yu, 25, a Korean American, was so angered by misconceptions about Asian Americans that he created a website, http://www.angryasianman.com , which he says receives 50,000 hits a month.

A recent uproar on Yu's site erupted when Details magazine published a pictorial in its April issue titled "Asian or Gay?" Yu quickly rallied his readers by saying, "It seriously pulls out every offensive, stereotypical Asian pop culture reference imaginable, objectifying and exoticizing Asian men into a sexual stereotype."

A mid-January posting read: "Bad week for Asian men on reality TV … on the latest edition of 'The Bachelorette,' Andy [Chang] got eliminated right away…. But honestly, what did you expect? Like she was going to choose the lone, token Asian guy out of that bunch?"

Days after he was booted, Chang said he was disappointed he was the only bachelor that didn't get a one-on-one meeting with Meredith Phillips, the ABC show's bachelorette. After he was eliminated, he wondered what effect his ethnicity had.

"After the fact, I think it worked against me," said Chang, who beat out thousands of applicants to be on the series.

Chang, a Chinese American dentist based in a Dallas suburb, says he's the antithesis of the socially inept Asian typecast.

The 5-foot-11 bachelor with the athletic build was in a fraternity and never had much problem finding dates. But since he appeared on the show, the 33-year-old said meeting women has been even easier. This, despite once being told by a new patient that she thought he would look like Mr. Miyagi from "The Karate Kid."

"I may have a dental degree," he said. "Does that mean I have to look like a nerd?"



The direct approach

Hamamoto has even taken the advice he gave his students, albeit in a more controversial manner. He financed a pornographic movie titled "Skin on Skin," starring a Korean American actor.

"I wanted people to look at this Asian American and say, 'He's great, he's performing, he's bright, he's beautiful,' " he said. "I wanted to take the lowest road possible. Something basic. Raw."

Ultimately, Hamamoto said he wants to show the world that Asians are sexually complex and that assumptions about nerdiness are unjust. He plans to launch a porn company that he believes would empower Asian Americans. Criticism that he has cheapened his cause by using pornography does not bother him, he said. The risqué endeavor is also a scholarly exercise, which includes the "Masters of the Pillow" documentary on the making of "Skin on Skin." The film, with commentary from Asian American filmmakers, academicians and playwrights, was shown at the San Francisco International Asian American Film Festival in March and the Visual Communications Filmfest in Los Angeles on May 1.

Late last year, word of Hamamoto's project led to spoofs on Comedy Central's "The Daily Show," which aired a mock news story about the dearth of Asian men in pornography, and NBC's "Tonight Show," which showed a skit featuring Godzilla with his groin blacked out breaking up an all-Asian bedroom romp.



Feeling the stereotype



The stereotypes have a clear emotional effect on Asian American men, said William Liu, an assistant professor of counseling psychology at the University of Iowa.

Those who live in predominantly non-Asian communities begin to loathe their appearance and develop ideals of beauty that value blond hair and blue eyes. Some court non-Asian women exclusively as a sign of status because "they're able to overcome stereotypes and cultural prohibitions," Liu said.

Asian American men lack the success Asian American women have had in interracial relationships. It's a sensitive fact complicated by the belief by many in the community that society objectifies Asian females as hyper-sexual Suzy Wongs. The 2000 Census shows that Asian American women are more than twice as likely to be involved in an interracial marriage than their male counterparts.

For poet Beau Sia, growing up in predominantly white Oklahoma City was alienating. Romantic opportunities in high school did not exist. With pent-up frustration, it wasn't until he left for New York University as a teenager that he began to develop his forceful poetry delivery. There, he soon learned what it was like to bask in female attention. His prose, which sometimes touches on myths about Asian men, is regularly performed in Def Poetry Jam's shows on HBO and at live shows nationally.

"It's taken years working and performing around the country to help me understand that I'm not bad looking," said the 27-year-old with angular features and stylish hair. "Growing up in Oklahoma, it was hard when what was [considered] attractive, pretty or handsome weren't people who looked like me."

The roots of Asian male stereotypes date back 200 years, historians say, when immigrants started arriving in the U.S. en masse as cheap labor. For decades, they encountered a barrage of discrimination that prevented them from owning property or marrying outside their race. Some were barred from heavy industry, so men took on traditionally feminine enterprises like laundry and cooking.

By 1882, Chinese immigrants were prohibited from entering the U.S., stranding those stateside without brides. Subsequently, a "bachelor society" emerged. Wars with Japan, Korea and Vietnam helped demonize Asian men further and gave Americans license to ridicule them, historians say.

"The emasculation of the Asian male has a very long history," said Henry Yu, an associate professor at UCLA's Center for Asian American Studies.

Many Asian Americans are still horrified by older images such as writer Sax Rohmer's books about the sinister Dr. Fu Manchu and Mickey Rooney's buck-toothed Mr. Yunioshi from "Breakfast at Tiffany's," perhaps the character Asian Americans most commonly identify as a racist icon of an earlier Hollywood.

Some of a younger generation cringe at the sight of the nerdish Long Duk Dong from the 1984 teen classic "Sixteen Candles."



A second look

But there are indications that Asian American men may be acquiring more appeal.

American-born Asians are out-marrying more than older generations. Popular culture and sports have introduced more Asian male faces, such as basketball player Yao Ming, baseball player Kazuo Matsui and the actors from the edgy teen movie "Better Luck Tomorrow," which received mainstream distribution from MTV Films. The acclaimed Australian film "Japanese Story" centers on an affair between a white woman and a Japanese man.

Hunky Korean American actor Will Yun Lee, 28, turns down martial arts roles because he feels they perpetuate a passionless warrior image. He would rather be a leading man.

"As an Asian American male, it's tough being thought of as any romantic love interest" in a movie, said Lee, voted by People magazine as one of 2002's 50 most beautiful people.

"When I first started out five, six years ago, a lot of auditions for Asians had to do with technical computer guys. And at some point it started switching to the villain or the mafia guy," Lee said.

His latest appearance, in the motorcycle-themed action flick "Torque," was described in The Times as "stereotype-smashing," though Lee said he simply plays who he is: "A regular guy who grew up in America listening to Metallica like everyone else."

Another actor who gave Asian American men something to cheer about was Bruce Lee, but ultimately he did little to advance their romantic value, many say. Even today, Asian American men complain that action heroes such as Chow Yun Fat and Jackie Chan rarely get the girl.

As Leong, the author and UCLA professor put it: "Asian men can kick butt, but they can't have a kiss."

Kuchana
05-14-2004, 09:50 AM
Ok I can understand everything else but porn???? Ugh.

It seems that porn would better serve to indulge an Asian male's vanity rather than helping to disspell racism. JMO.

Mo'Taka
05-14-2004, 09:51 AM
Unless a large percentage of women watch porn, I doubt any asian american porn would change women's racial perceptions.

yoMAMA
05-14-2004, 09:58 AM
Ok I can understand everything else but porn???? Ugh.

It seems that porn would better serve to indulge an Asian male's vanity rather than helping to disspell racism. JMO.

i think that professor guy was trying to tackle the stereotype of asian men as sexually inept....and he was trying to do something that makes people think and is not politically correct.

I applaud him for his efforts :biggrin:

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God knows, there seems to be no shortage of adult entertainment in the world today - but there is one particular sub-genre that has yet to be filled. Darrell Hamamoto, a Japanese-American professor of Asian American studies at UC-Davis, sets out to make the first all Asian-American adult film, SKIN ON SKIN, and director James Hou brings a documentary film crew along for the ride. The result is part political statement and part celebration of Asian-American sexuality.

"But aren't there plenty of Asians in porn, and lots of all-Asian porn?" you might ask. The answer would be "Yes" on both counts. However, Hamamoto contends that the only time you ever see Asian males in adult films are ones that come from Asia. And while the western porn industry features a number of Asian-American women (including Skin on Skin star Layla Lei), they are always depicted having sex with white or black males. Hamamoto would like to change all that by opening a niche in the industry exclusively for Asian-Americans.

For his porno shoot, which he describes as his form of social statement (wink nudge), Hamamoto recruits Chun Lee. Lee is a good-looking lad, but one who has zero film experience (not to mention porn shoot experience). Luckily for him, he has co-star Layla Lei, who has had plenty of experience in the industry and is there to take him by the hand (as well as other extremities). Hamamoto describes Layla as "A fine-looking Sister", and she certainly is that, a petite cutie with an upbeat personality- but not exactly the learned or eloquent type (she is a porn star, after all). However, she does provide some interesting insights about the Asian experience in an industry dominated by Whites. (She describes white males in particular as being "too rough" - apparently having a big schlong and being in porn is no remedy for an inadequacy complex)

She certainly seems to enjoy working with Hamamoto and his all Asian-American crew, however, and the atmosphere is much more relaxed and friendly than what one would imagine for the average porn shoot. In between footage of the shoot itself, Hamamoto offers up his points of view on Colonialism, interracial dating, and social mores. Asian-American filmmakers like Eric Byler (Charlotte Sometimes) and Justin Lin (Better Luck Tomorrow) are also interviewed, along with other Asian-American actors. Byler gives one of the most amusing comments on the way in which Asian sexuality has been portrayed (or not) in mainstream America with a Star Trek reference:

"Sulu drove the Enterprise and later managed to get a ship of his own. Then we find out in one of the later movies that he has a daughter (played by Charlotte Sometimes' Jacqueline Kim) . . . but when did he ever even have sex?"

Judging by the reaction of Asian-American audience members, there is no lack of demand for the kind of porn that Hamamoto wants to create. However, he maintains that the most important aspect of his project is not the porn itself, but the statement of Asian-American unity that he wants to get across.

Following Masters of the Pillow, the festival audience was treated to an "experimental" version of Skin on Skin entitled Yellocaust, which featured outtakes of Chun and Layla's lovemaking, while the ears are assaulted by the sounds of what appear to be people who are being tortured. Subtitles roll across the screen, describing a litany of historical atrocities and racially motivated injustices that stemmed from America's practice of colonialism in Southeast Asia and discrimination here at home. The images of two attractive people making love, while accounts of rape, mutilation, and murder scroll across the screen are certainly jarring and sobering. However, while Hamamoto is a likeable and obviously very intelligent guy, his points of view seem ethnocentric in the extreme at times. And while it is important to recognize the horrific acts that have been committed by Americans on Asian people, isn't it also important to recognize that many Asian nations have inflicted plenty of atrocities of their own? (such as the women forced to work in "comfort stations" by the Japanese army in the 1940's, for example). He also seems to be of the opinion that Asians who date outside of their own race do so because of societal pressures and mores imposed by a "white supremacist culture", rather than because of any real free will or choice on their part. Yo, Darryll, lighten up - some Asians like Whites, and some Whites like Asians - and not because we all grew up with "Anime' and internet Asian porn".

Still, Hamamoto has plenty of valid opinions - including his complaint that there is currently no acceptance for Asian males in the adult industry. Why shouldn't our Asian brothers be able to lay down a money shot just like everyone else?

Some Asian American filmmakers featured in Masters of the Pillow commented on their concern that porno may not be the best way to forward the cause of Asian-American sensuality. Indeed, wouldn't a film like Byler's CHARLOTTE SOMETIMES, an excellent romantic drama featuring a primarily Asian-American cast, be a better vehicle? Perhaps, but Hamamoto has his own agenda and he's sticking to it - and I say, more power to him. Maybe SKIN ON SKIN won't blow the lid off of Asian-American sexuality right away . . . but if you film it, they will cum.

from (sorry) hollywoodbitchslap.com:



God knows, there seems to be no shortage of adult entertainment in the world today - but there is one particular sub-genre that has yet to be filled. Darrell Hamamoto, a Japanese-American professor of Asian American studies at UC-Davis, sets out to make the first all Asian-American adult film, SKIN ON SKIN, and director James Hou brings a documentary film crew along for the ride. The result is part political statement and part celebration of Asian-American sexuality.

"But aren't there plenty of Asians in porn, and lots of all-Asian porn?" you might ask. The answer would be "Yes" on both counts. However, Hamamoto contends that the only time you ever see Asian males in adult films are ones that come from Asia. And while the western porn industry features a number of Asian-American women (including Skin on Skin star Layla Lei), they are always depicted having sex with white or black males. Hamamoto would like to change all that by opening a niche in the industry exclusively for Asian-Americans.

For his porno shoot, which he describes as his form of social statement (wink nudge), Hamamoto recruits Chun Lee. Lee is a good-looking lad, but one who has zero film experience (not to mention porn shoot experience). Luckily for him, he has co-star Layla Lei, who has had plenty of experience in the industry and is there to take him by the hand (as well as other extremities). Hamamoto describes Layla as "A fine-looking Sister", and she certainly is that, a petite cutie with an upbeat personality- but not exactly the learned or eloquent type (she is a porn star, after all). However, she does provide some interesting insights about the Asian experience in an industry dominated by Whites. (She describes white males in particular as being "too rough" - apparently having a big schlong and being in porn is no remedy for an inadequacy complex)

She certainly seems to enjoy working with Hamamoto and his all Asian-American crew, however, and the atmosphere is much more relaxed and friendly than what one would imagine for the average porn shoot. In between footage of the shoot itself, Hamamoto offers up his points of view on Colonialism, interracial dating, and social mores. Asian-American filmmakers like Eric Byler (Charlotte Sometimes) and Justin Lin (Better Luck Tomorrow) are also interviewed, along with other Asian-American actors. Byler gives one of the most amusing comments on the way in which Asian sexuality has been portrayed (or not) in mainstream America with a Star Trek reference:

"Sulu drove the Enterprise and later managed to get a ship of his own. Then we find out in one of the later movies that he has a daughter (played by Charlotte Sometimes' Jacqueline Kim) . . . but when did he ever even have sex?"

Judging by the reaction of Asian-American audience members, there is no lack of demand for the kind of porn that Hamamoto wants to create. However, he maintains that the most important aspect of his project is not the porn itself, but the statement of Asian-American unity that he wants to get across.

Following Masters of the Pillow, the festival audience was treated to an "experimental" version of Skin on Skin entitled Yellocaust, which featured outtakes of Chun and Layla's lovemaking, while the ears are assaulted by the sounds of what appear to be people who are being tortured. Subtitles roll across the screen, describing a litany of historical atrocities and racially motivated injustices that stemmed from America's practice of colonialism in Southeast Asia and discrimination here at home. The images of two attractive people making love, while accounts of rape, mutilation, and murder scroll across the screen are certainly jarring and sobering. However, while Hamamoto is a likeable and obviously very intelligent guy, his points of view seem ethnocentric in the extreme at times. And while it is important to recognize the horrific acts that have been committed by Americans on Asian people, isn't it also important to recognize that many Asian nations have inflicted plenty of atrocities of their own? (such as the women forced to work in "comfort stations" by the Japanese army in the 1940's, for example). He also seems to be of the opinion that Asians who date outside of their own race do so because of societal pressures and mores imposed by a "white supremacist culture", rather than because of any real free will or choice on their part. Yo, Darryll, lighten up - some Asians like Whites, and some Whites like Asians - and not because we all grew up with "Anime' and internet Asian porn".

Still, Hamamoto has plenty of valid opinions - including his complaint that there is currently no acceptance for Asian males in the adult industry. Why shouldn't our Asian brothers be able to lay down a money shot just like everyone else?

Some Asian American filmmakers featured in Masters of the Pillow commented on their concern that porno may not be the best way to forward the cause of Asian-American sensuality. Indeed, wouldn't a film like Byler's CHARLOTTE SOMETIMES, an excellent romantic drama featuring a primarily Asian-American cast, be a better vehicle? Perhaps, but Hamamoto has his own agenda and he's sticking to it - and I say, more power to him. Maybe SKIN ON SKIN won't blow the lid off of Asian-American sexuality right away . . . but if you film it, they will cum.

From (sorry) www.hollywoodbitchslap.com

God knows, there seems to be no shortage of adult entertainment in the world today - but there is one particular sub-genre that has yet to be filled. Darrell Hamamoto, a Japanese-American professor of Asian American studies at UC-Davis, sets out to make the first all Asian-American adult film, SKIN ON SKIN, and director James Hou brings a documentary film crew along for the ride. The result is part political statement and part celebration of Asian-American sexuality.

"But aren't there plenty of Asians in porn, and lots of all-Asian porn?" you might ask. The answer would be "Yes" on both counts. However, Hamamoto contends that the only time you ever see Asian males in adult films are ones that come from Asia. And while the western porn industry features a number of Asian-American women (including Skin on Skin star Layla Lei), they are always depicted having sex with white or black males. Hamamoto would like to change all that by opening a niche in the industry exclusively for Asian-Americans.

For his porno shoot, which he describes as his form of social statement (wink nudge), Hamamoto recruits Chun Lee. Lee is a good-looking lad, but one who has zero film experience (not to mention porn shoot experience). Luckily for him, he has co-star Layla Lei, who has had plenty of experience in the industry and is there to take him by the hand (as well as other extremities). Hamamoto describes Layla as "A fine-looking Sister", and she certainly is that, a petite cutie with an upbeat personality- but not exactly the learned or eloquent type (she is a porn star, after all). However, she does provide some interesting insights about the Asian experience in an industry dominated by Whites. (She describes white males in particular as being "too rough" - apparently having a big schlong and being in porn is no remedy for an inadequacy complex)

She certainly seems to enjoy working with Hamamoto and his all Asian-American crew, however, and the atmosphere is much more relaxed and friendly than what one would imagine for the average porn shoot. In between footage of the shoot itself, Hamamoto offers up his points of view on Colonialism, interracial dating, and social mores. Asian-American filmmakers like Eric Byler (Charlotte Sometimes) and Justin Lin (Better Luck Tomorrow) are also interviewed, along with other Asian-American actors. Byler gives one of the most amusing comments on the way in which Asian sexuality has been portrayed (or not) in mainstream America with a Star Trek reference:

"Sulu drove the Enterprise and later managed to get a ship of his own. Then we find out in one of the later movies that he has a daughter (played by Charlotte Sometimes' Jacqueline Kim) . . . but when did he ever even have sex?"

Judging by the reaction of Asian-American audience members, there is no lack of demand for the kind of porn that Hamamoto wants to create. However, he maintains that the most important aspect of his project is not the porn itself, but the statement of Asian-American unity that he wants to get across.

Following Masters of the Pillow, the festival audience was treated to an "experimental" version of Skin on Skin entitled Yellocaust, which featured outtakes of Chun and Layla's lovemaking, while the ears are assaulted by the sounds of what appear to be people who are being tortured. Subtitles roll across the screen, describing a litany of historical atrocities and racially motivated injustices that stemmed from America's practice of colonialism in Southeast Asia and discrimination here at home. The images of two attractive people making love, while accounts of rape, mutilation, and murder scroll across the screen are certainly jarring and sobering. However, while Hamamoto is a likeable and obviously very intelligent guy, his points of view seem ethnocentric in the extreme at times. And while it is important to recognize the horrific acts that have been committed by Americans on Asian people, isn't it also important to recognize that many Asian nations have inflicted plenty of atrocities of their own? (such as the women forced to work in "comfort stations" by the Japanese army in the 1940's, for example). He also seems to be of the opinion that Asians who date outside of their own race do so because of societal pressures and mores imposed by a "white supremacist culture", rather than because of any real free will or choice on their part. Yo, Darryll, lighten up - some Asians like Whites, and some Whites like Asians - and not because we all grew up with "Anime' and internet Asian porn".

Still, Hamamoto has plenty of valid opinions - including his complaint that there is currently no acceptance for Asian males in the adult industry. Why shouldn't our Asian brothers be able to lay down a money shot just like everyone else?

Some Asian American filmmakers featured in Masters of the Pillow commented on their concern that porno may not be the best way to forward the cause of Asian-American sensuality. Indeed, wouldn't a film like Byler's CHARLOTTE SOMETIMES, an excellent romantic drama featuring a primarily Asian-American cast, be a better vehicle? Perhaps, but Hamamoto has his own agenda and he's sticking to it - and I say, more power to him. Maybe SKIN ON SKIN won't blow the lid off of Asian-American sexuality right away . . . but if you film it, they will cum.

from (sorry) hollywoodbitchslap.com:



God knows, there seems to be no shortage of adult entertainment in the world today - but there is one particular sub-genre that has yet to be filled. Darrell Hamamoto, a Japanese-American professor of Asian American studies at UC-Davis, sets out to make the first all Asian-American adult film, SKIN ON SKIN, and director James Hou brings a documentary film crew along for the ride. The result is part political statement and part celebration of Asian-American sexuality.

"But aren't there plenty of Asians in porn, and lots of all-Asian porn?" you might ask. The answer would be "Yes" on both counts. However, Hamamoto contends that the only time you ever see Asian males in adult films are ones that come from Asia. And while the western porn industry features a number of Asian-American women (including Skin on Skin star Layla Lei), they are always depicted having sex with white or black males. Hamamoto would like to change all that by opening a niche in the industry exclusively for Asian-Americans.

For his porno shoot, which he describes as his form of social statement (wink nudge), Hamamoto recruits Chun Lee. Lee is a good-looking lad, but one who has zero film experience (not to mention porn shoot experience). Luckily for him, he has co-star Layla Lei, who has had plenty of experience in the industry and is there to take him by the hand (as well as other extremities). Hamamoto describes Layla as "A fine-looking Sister", and she certainly is that, a petite cutie with an upbeat personality- but not exactly the learned or eloquent type (she is a porn star, after all). However, she does provide some interesting insights about the Asian experience in an industry dominated by Whites. (She describes white males in particular as being "too rough" - apparently having a big schlong and being in porn is no remedy for an inadequacy complex)

She certainly seems to enjoy working with Hamamoto and his all Asian-American crew, however, and the atmosphere is much more relaxed and friendly than what one would imagine for the average porn shoot. In between footage of the shoot itself, Hamamoto offers up his points of view on Colonialism, interracial dating, and social mores. Asian-American filmmakers like Eric Byler (Charlotte Sometimes) and Justin Lin (Better Luck Tomorrow) are also interviewed, along with other Asian-American actors. Byler gives one of the most amusing comments on the way in which Asian sexuality has been portrayed (or not) in mainstream America with a Star Trek reference:

"Sulu drove the Enterprise and later managed to get a ship of his own. Then we find out in one of the later movies that he has a daughter (played by Charlotte Sometimes' Jacqueline Kim) . . . but when did he ever even have sex?"

Judging by the reaction of Asian-American audience members, there is no lack of demand for the kind of porn that Hamamoto wants to create. However, he maintains that the most important aspect of his project is not the porn itself, but the statement of Asian-American unity that he wants to get across.

Following Masters of the Pillow, the festival audience was treated to an "experimental" version of Skin on Skin entitled Yellocaust, which featured outtakes of Chun and Layla's lovemaking, while the ears are assaulted by the sounds of what appear to be people who are being tortured. Subtitles roll across the screen, describing a litany of historical atrocities and racially motivated injustices that stemmed from America's practice of colonialism in Southeast Asia and discrimination here at home. The images of two attractive people making love, while accounts of rape, mutilation, and murder scroll across the screen are certainly jarring and sobering. However, while Hamamoto is a likeable and obviously very intelligent guy, his points of view seem ethnocentric in the extreme at times. And while it is important to recognize the horrific acts that have been committed by Americans on Asian people, isn't it also important to recognize that many Asian nations have inflicted plenty of atrocities of their own? (such as the women forced to work in "comfort stations" by the Japanese army in the 1940's, for example). He also seems to be of the opinion that Asians who date outside of their own race do so because of societal pressures and mores imposed by a "white supremacist culture", rather than because of any real free will or choice on their part. Yo, Darryll, lighten up - some Asians like Whites, and some Whites like Asians - and not because we all grew up with "Anime' and internet Asian porn".

Still, Hamamoto has plenty of valid opinions - including his complaint that there is currently no acceptance for Asian males in the adult industry. Why shouldn't our Asian brothers be able to lay down a money shot just like everyone else?

Some Asian American filmmakers featured in Masters of the Pillow commented on their concern that porno may not be the best way to forward the cause of Asian-American sensuality. Indeed, wouldn't a film like Byler's CHARLOTTE SOMETIMES, an excellent romantic drama featuring a primarily Asian-American cast, be a better vehicle? Perhaps, but Hamamoto has his own agenda and he's sticking to it - and I say, more power to him. Maybe SKIN ON SKIN won't blow the lid off of Asian-American sexuality right away . . . but if you film it, they will cum.

kimpossible
05-14-2004, 10:04 AM
Hunky Korean American actor Will Yun Lee, 28, turns down martial arts roles because he feels they perpetuate a passionless warrior image. He would rather be a leading man.


Thought I recognized the name. He played the Japanese tourist who had his wife killed on a recent episode of Law & Order. He definitely looks better on a bike. http://us.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0329691/Ss/0329691/TQC-8278.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Lee,%20Will%20Yun

yoMAMA
05-14-2004, 10:13 AM
they are asian bikes.....so it's only fitting that an asian man rides it...... :biggrin:

rice cracker
05-14-2004, 10:30 AM
they are asian bikes.....so it's only fitting that an asian man rides it...... :biggrin:

Same goes for Asian porn stars, I take it :wink:

BigLew
05-14-2004, 11:07 AM
Thought I recognized the name. He played the Japanese tourist who had his wife killed on a recent episode of Law & Order. He definitely looks better on a bike. http://us.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0329691/Ss/0329691/TQC-8278.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Lee,%20Will%20YunIf he turns down martial arts roles on principle then why did he accept that one?

Kuchana
05-14-2004, 11:26 AM
If he turns down martial arts roles on principle then why did he accept that one?

because he didn't play a martial arts role in that one. :)

rice cracker
05-14-2004, 11:30 AM
If he turns down martial arts roles on principle then why did he accept that one?

I think in Torque he plays one of the good guys.

kimpossible
05-14-2004, 01:16 PM
If he turns down martial arts roles on principle then why did he accept that one?

rent money?

BigLew
05-14-2004, 01:26 PM
Ok I submit...

rice cracker
05-14-2004, 01:29 PM
BigLew = pwnd :tongue: :biggrin:

haku
05-14-2004, 01:32 PM
Speaking of sex, does anyone have comments on my other thread, differences in Asian women in NY and SF? In Men, of course.

sageb1
05-15-2004, 01:53 AM
Maybe Asian and Hispanic women get objectified in porn and slightly in the youth-oriented commercials (McDonalds). It depends on the viewer's tastes.

But yes, Asian men are nowhere to be found in American porn. Given that it represents the fantasies of (yes) non-Asian, predominately white men, it's doubtful you'd find Asian men in porn.

So you can see that the cultural dominance of "the white male" gets played up even though it is a myth.

The result is a few Asian people will go along with this myth like it is a reality, because they grew up on commercials and TV programming where strong Asian male *and* female role models were absent.

I figured this out after viewing TV and looking at the ads in magazines and in the newspapers.

...As for Hamamoto and SKIN ON SKIN, more power to him.

Bhodi_Li
05-15-2004, 01:56 AM
I will have to go to Hamamoto's tryouts and see if I can get in.

thaite
05-15-2004, 07:33 AM
"get in" haha!

Tao
05-15-2004, 09:30 AM
"Still, Hamamoto has plenty of valid opinions - including his complaint that there is currently no acceptance for Asian males in the adult industry. Why shouldn't our Asian brothers be able to lay down a money shot just like everyone else?"

money shot = social equality

mr. x
05-15-2004, 12:11 PM
well, like sage said its a fantasy thing

ive always wondered, porn with themes like "lil white chicks big black dicks" kinda deal, is it for black men with white fetish or white guys who like watching "their" women get it from black dudes? im sure primarily its for black men sure but ive always wondered if there was a white man market for it

anyway yeah, obviously like sage said its a fantasy thing, and if u ask most white guys why there arent asian men one thing they are NOT going to say is asian men are TOO hung if u know what i mean

and im sure there are hung asian studs but what kinda roles are they gonna play? sure maybe the "ooh mr. karatay instructor can u help me practice my moves?" but if its like u know, the asian gangster taking advantage of the lil white woman white guy'sll go "wait a minute, they are stealing OUR women wtf man?!?!"

haku
05-15-2004, 01:18 PM
I haven't seen Skin on Skin, but supposedly the man and woman start out playing videogames on a playstation, and then she toggles his *joystick* (I dunno if he's still playing the videogame at this point), s***s and f***s him hard, and then, I dunno, she goes to rearrange the stuffed animals in the back of her Acura.

But the objections I heard from those who saw it: she's actually in the porn industry, and does most of the 'work' in the movie; she's a Cambodian refugee, economically distressed; he's a newbie (this is his first role/roll), and he doesn't perform, he gets performed on, so how liberating is that, say some.

Come on! Are they giving Hamamoto a hard time? Just ridin' him? Is Hamamoto just stroking his ego? And what of the Academician-cum-Pornographer? Is UC Davis going to ask him to submit?

BigLew
05-15-2004, 10:03 PM
BigLew = pwnd :tongue: :biggrin:Yes I like being pwnd... :biggrin: It makes my day.

haku
05-15-2004, 11:10 PM
what is pwnd???

BigLew
05-15-2004, 11:42 PM
what is pwnd???I don't know.

haku
05-15-2004, 11:44 PM
but but but....you ARE pwnd, it said. And you agreed.

Maybe I don't want to know.

Hey Rice Cracker, Splain this!

Tang
05-16-2004, 05:38 AM
I guess the problem may be due to asian men looking undersized in front of a white female, and that's not a pretty scene =)

stunninglyAsian
05-16-2004, 06:40 AM
What can we do to change it? It's really up to the women. You can work out all you want, get that $500,000/yr job, lose the glasses, speak English accent-free, and be an ideal date. But in the end, it's the women that accepts AM; by accepting us as dating material, the stereotype will begin to break down. You can "sell" AM to non-Asian women, but if they're not initially interested then it's pretty much a lost cause. Not to say it's impossible, but the odds are against you.

We're the left-field choice, so really what do you expect? I think that AM will be limited to IR with non-Asian women who fit into the more "weird" social groups- like the artists, the vegan hippie PETA types, and the anime freaks for a long time before the mainsteam begins to change their perception that dating Asian is a valid choice for a mate.

rice cracker
05-16-2004, 09:46 AM
but but but....you ARE pwnd, it said. And you agreed.

Maybe I don't want to know.

Hey Rice Cracker, Splain this!

pwnd = owned = stfu and sit down cuz you look dumb. But if it's towards BigLew, we mean it in the nicest way possible :biggrin:

sir_humpslot
05-16-2004, 12:35 PM
rent money?


dayjob?

DragonKnight
05-16-2004, 01:49 PM
Dunno about the whole p0rn thing. But I'm all for leading Asian male parts in movies and TV shows.

Faithless
05-17-2004, 12:16 PM
I guess the problem may be due to asian men looking undersized in front of a white female, and that's not a pretty scene =)
That probably depends on the viewer.

I think I saw an Asian dude, blonde chick pairing, over the weekend. She was taller by a little, but I don't think they cared.

Fireblade
05-17-2004, 12:29 PM
We're the left-field choice, so really what do you expect? I think that AM will be limited to IR with non-Asian women who fit into the more "weird" social groups- like the artists, the vegan hippie PETA types, and the anime freaks for a long time before the mainsteam begins to change their perception that dating Asian is a valid choice for a mate.

Really? I dated a cheerleader a few weeks back, and she wasn't in the least bit weird. Although I do admit, she did watch a little bit of anime. She just accepted my offer into a date. Really, it's more about getting balls and actually walking up to a girl and asking her out. I think that if most of us are fixated on the idea that we're strictly limited to just "the alternative" then obviously we're not progressing. Seek more options. Not all of this can be equated to EVERY single woman in america.

mr. x
05-17-2004, 03:56 PM
That probably depends on the viewer.

I think I saw an Asian dude, blonde chick pairing, over the weekend. She was taller by a little, but I don't think they cared.

name of actors/actresses, title, item number? for research purposes of course

i think i saw an episode of one of those skinemax shows, like red shoe diaries or something and had a blonde girl pining over an asian playboy type

stunninglyAsian
05-17-2004, 05:41 PM
Really? I dated a cheerleader a few weeks back, and she wasn't in the least bit weird. Although I do admit, she did watch a little bit of anime. She just accepted my offer into a date. Really, it's more about getting balls and actually walking up to a girl and asking her out. I think that if most of us are fixated on the idea that we're strictly limited to just "the alternative" then obviously we're not progressing. Seek more options. Not all of this can be equated to EVERY single woman in america.

She did watch some anime... :)


But seriously... OK, weird is not the right word. You have to admit that most people are resistant to change and are used to doing things the way that have always been done. Look at America's view on black people, even after all this time there are still problems with race relations. The average American is still very conservative when it comes to IR relationships, not just Asians but with any minority. It is more tolerated, but there is plenty of room for improvement.

And if you believe that Americans still harbor a closed-minded view on IR relationships, then you must believe that the few who do date IR have to be open-minded and independent because they will get shit from strangers, family, and friends. I guess this is what I was trying to hint at- the small social groups that that aren't afraid to be different. So that naturally limits our dating to a small group of people. Naturally there are exceptions to everything but in my experience this has been the norm.

You do bring up a good point about seeking more options, but I still believe that the path to acceptance lies within "the alternative" social groups- that's where we start out. Change does not occur in the mainstream overnight, look at the Martin Luther King and the whole civil rights movement. When it started, that was a pretty radical idea and most thought that they were a bunch of idiot wackos. But that's how new ideas form. Without those kinds of people, nothing would change.

ShortNBitter
05-24-2004, 12:18 PM
nothing we havent seen before really

haku
05-24-2004, 12:47 PM
Is he saying you have to take your masculinity into your own hands?

kimpossible
05-24-2004, 12:59 PM
Is he saying you have to take your masculinity into your own hands?

:biggrin:

haku
05-24-2004, 02:15 PM
You have to take it into your own hands.

nothing we havent seen before really

Not to beat this to death, but...

Faithless
05-24-2004, 04:35 PM
Not to beat this to death, but...
Be gentle...

TyroneK(prettypretty)
05-24-2004, 05:39 PM
Asians don't have sex. They reproduce by budding. That's why there are so many of them.

haku
05-25-2004, 04:02 PM
I'm stumped.

That's not a play on words. Just can't think of a post.

Oh, there I go again.

Tao
05-25-2004, 07:27 PM
Asians don't have sex. They reproduce by budding. That's why there are so many of them.that also explains why they all look the same

Faithless
05-26-2004, 01:04 AM
Ok I can understand everything else but porn???? Ugh.
Now I understand the pictoral reference to "asian pride porn".

From the article:

The direct approach

Hamamoto has even taken the advice he gave his students, albeit in a more controversial manner. He financed a pornographic movie titled "Skin on Skin," starring a Korean American actor.

"I wanted people to look at this Asian American and say, 'He's great, he's performing, he's bright, he's beautiful,' " he said. "I wanted to take the lowest road possible. Something basic. Raw."

Ultimately, Hamamoto said he wants to show the world that Asians are sexually complex and that assumptions about nerdiness are unjust. He plans to launch a porn company that he believes would empower Asian Americans. Criticism that he has cheapened his cause by using pornography does not bother him, he said. The risqué endeavor is also a scholarly exercise, which includes the "Masters of the Pillow" documentary on the making of "Skin on Skin." The film, with commentary from Asian American filmmakers, academicians and playwrights, was shown at the San Francisco International Asian American Film Festival in March and the Visual Communications Filmfest in Los Angeles on May 1.

Late last year, word of Hamamoto's project led to spoofs on Comedy Central's "The Daily Show," which aired a mock news story about the dearth of Asian men in pornography, and NBC's "Tonight Show," which showed a skit featuring Godzilla with his groin blacked out breaking up an all-Asian bedroom romp.
The down side of making a point about complexity. Things, like the joking on comedy programs, are bound to happen, and can actually make a situation worse.

It can also further enhance the negative attitude toward what we teach kids in some of our educational instituions, in general.

"They show porn? Someone paid hundreds or thousands of dollars for tuition to see porn? Why the fuck didn't they just rent the DVD?" :rolleyes: