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yoMAMA
03-08-2004, 07:57 PM
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March 8, 2004
For More Afghan Women, Immolation Is Escape
By CARLOTTA GALL

ALALABAD, Afghanistan — Waiflike, draped in a pale blue veil, Madina, 20, sits on her hospital bed, bandages covering the terrible, raw burns on her neck and chest. Her hands tremble. She picks nervously at the soles of her feet and confesses that three months earlier she set herself on fire with kerosene.

Beside her, on the next bed, her mother-in-law, Bibi Khanum, and her brother-in-law, Abdul Muhammad, 18, confirm her account but deny her reason, which Madina would explain only outside on a terrace, away from her husband's family. "All the time they beat me," she said. "They broke my arm. But what should I do? This was my home."

Accounts like Madina's are repeated across Afghanistan, doctors and human rights workers say. They are discovering more and more young women who have set themselves on fire, desperate to escape the cruelties of family life and harsh tribal traditions that show no sign of changing despite the end of Taliban rule and the dawn of democracy.

Doctors and nurses in Kabul and Jalalabad say they have seen more cases recently, partly because the population has been swollen by the return of two million refugees and because cases are being tracked for the first time by rights groups, hospitals and the government.

But the trauma and social upheaval of decades of war, poverty and illiteracy in Afghanistan have also intensified the traditional pressures on young women, they say.

The recently formed Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission recorded 40 such cases in just the past six months in Herat, a western city of half a million people.

Karima Karimi, one of the commission's officers, says she suspects that the actual figure is higher, and President Hamid Karzai has ordered an investigation. Officials at the commission said it was reasonable to estimate that Afghanistan had hundreds of such cases in a year.

"It is not only in Herat; it is in all of Afghanistan," said Dr. Soraya Rahim, deputy minister of women's affairs, on her return from a government investigative trip to Herat.

"It takes different forms in different provinces," she said in a telephone interview. "Some take tablets. Some cut their wrists. Some hang themselves. Some burn themselves.

"But the reason is very important. The first reason is our very bad tradition of forced marriage. Girls think this is the only way, that there is no other way in life."

Educated women in the cities who were repressed by the old Taliban government have benefited from the changes in Afghanistan, and many are now working and studying. But in villages and remote tribal areas, the new order has not improved women's longstanding low status.

Daughters are often exchanged between families, are given in marriage as compensation for crimes, or are married to men two or three times their age.

When young girls marry, they leave home to live with their husband's extended family, where the mother-in-law rules the household. Often they are seen as little more than a new source of labor.

While the authorities have little idea of the full extent of the burnings, because families hide them out of shame and often claim they are accidents, the desperate attempts of young women to escape lives dictated by tribal customs and a deeply conservative Islam are undeniable.

Often they resort to burning, since kerosene and cooking fuels are easily accessible to women. In heavily populated eastern Afghanistan, the chief of anesthesiology at Jalalabad's Public Hospital No. 1, Muhammad Naseem, said the hospital received an average of 20 burn cases a month, at least two or three of which were self-inflicted.

The rest were household accidents, most caused by pressure cookers, gas or oil stoves or kerosene lamps, which account for many more cases of burns to women and children than those that are self-inflicted.

Nurses often learn the difference only in moments of confidence, or they spot telltale signs of family problems, like the absence of hospital visits by the husband. For the first time, human rights officials are paying attention, too.

The tribal areas, populated by Pashtuns who live by a code entirely their own, are particularly harsh in their treatment of women, said Sharifa, an officer from the human rights commission in Jalalabad. Like many Afghans, she uses only one name.

She said that when she visited the women's wards of Hospital No. 1 one day last month, she found five women who had tried self-immolation. One morning at the hospital, one of the five died after suffering for 11 days.

Madina's account is typical of the hardships young women encounter. She was married at 15 in an exchange of daughters between two families, a common practice in Afghanistan. She married Din Muhammad, and his sister was married to her uncle.

Madina said she had borne two children — Najiba, 4, and Taj Muhammad, 2. When her husband was jailed for drug offenses three years ago, she moved back from Pakistan to live with her in-laws in the village of Charbagh, in eastern Afghanistan.

In the interview on the hospital terrace, Madina explained that her troubles began a year ago, when the girl who had married her uncle died during pregnancy. Madina's mother-in-law turned her grief on Madina. "She would say, `My daughter is in the grave, and you are still alive,' " Madina recounted.

In the hospital room, her mother-in-law, Bibi Khanum, a small woman with blue eyes and tiny hands, denied driving Madina to try to kill herself.

"God knows if it was cruelty," she said. "The reason she was impatient was because her husband was in jail."

"It's not true," Madina whispered.

Madina's husband, freed from prison and remorseful, has promised to take her to live away from the rest of the family. They are poor, and she is painfully thin and ill, but recovering. Away from her mother-in-law, she does not tremble.

Qadri Gul, 20, one of Dr. Naseem's patients, was less fortunate, dying after 11 days. Married for five years, she was the mother of two children. Her husband took a second wife shortly after they had wed, and she told the hospital staff and her family that her husband and her in-laws had beaten her daily, and had even encouraged her when she had threatened to burn herself.

She visited her parents and her numerous sisters in Jalalabad for the Muslim festival of Id al-Fitr in November. "Her body was completely bruised," her sister Basmina recalled. "She had marks on her buttocks and said, `I don't know if I will get better.' "

They did not tell their mother, who nevertheless sensed that all was not well. "She was upset," the mother, Bibi Jan, recalled. "She did not put henna on her hands. She looked unhappy."

She went home after the holiday with a toy car for her son, but when the children started fighting over it, she took it away. That sparked a fight with her husband. He slammed a glass into her head, knocking her out. When she regained consciousness, she threatened to kill herself by setting herself on fire.

"He laughed and said: `There are the matches and the kerosene. Burn yourself,' " Basmina recounted.

As she lay dying in the hospital, Qadri Gul told her mother and sisters what had happened. Sharifa from the human rights office also interviewed her.

Her mother said: "She blamed her husband, her brother-in-law and her mother-in-law. I will leave them to God, but I will just ask them the question `What did you do to my daughter?' " She was sitting in her courtyard, surrounded by relatives and mourners on the third day after her daughter's death.

"She was a very good girl," her mother said. "From neck to legs she was burnt."



Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

princess
03-08-2004, 09:54 PM
That's so tragic. It's heart wrenching to see that they feel they have no other option. I can't believe this trend exists. I wonder why the women don't seek other options than self destruction. I realize that it's probably very difficult for them to seek a new living situation elsewhere, which probably leads them only to believe that taking their life is easier and more possible to accomplish, but surely even with death seen to them as an accessible alternative they're using one of the most painful ways i could ever imagine. It angers me to see that women are reduced to such a state. I always hate to hear of countries where women arent respected and are considered second class citizens. It's so inhumane to reduce them to a sub-human state. I understand that most of the time it's due to a cultural trend or norm. I always am reminded of how blessed I am to be here in the U.S...

robotic
03-10-2004, 10:35 PM
;_; that is so sad.
afghan women's mission (http://www.afghanwomensmission.org/shamali/)

hooligan
03-10-2004, 10:37 PM
shit, i thought the us went over there to liberate them? sounds like they need to do some more liberation. : \

Shogun Empress
03-11-2004, 09:28 AM
She went home after the holiday with a toy car for her son, but when the children started fighting over it, she took it away. That sparked a fight with her husband. He slammed a glass into her head, knocking her out. When she regained consciousness, she threatened to kill herself by setting herself on fire.

"He laughed and said: `There are the matches and the kerosene. Burn yourself,' " Basmina recounted.

As she lay dying in the hospital, Qadri Gul told her mother and sisters what had happened. Sharifa from the human rights office also interviewed her.

"She was a very good girl," her mother said. "From neck to legs she was burnt."That's sad. What kind of husband asks their wife to light themselves on fire?

yoMAMA
03-12-2004, 04:04 PM
That's sad. What kind of husband asks their wife to light themselves on fire?

The kind that don't consider women as people?

krome
03-15-2004, 06:45 AM
Is there a link for this original article?

yoMAMA
03-15-2004, 08:13 AM
Is there a link for this original article?

I found it on nytimes.com couple weeks ago, then i posted the entire article here cauz nytimes require you to have a username and password.

flip19
03-21-2004, 11:12 AM
no pictures?

Mai-Sai-Le
07-18-2004, 03:36 PM
Yeah American magazines are always putting out something to make Muslims look like idiots and of course people eat it up REAL good. I've known plenty of Afghan women and they NEVER wanted to let themselves on fire. They live very happy productive lives. Of course that wouldn't be in a magazine or news article. News here is EXTREMELY biased, EXTREMELY one sided to make the rulers of this country look like the greatest thing that happened to mankind. :mad:

krome
07-18-2004, 05:01 PM
^ Yes, according to our media, every Muslim is a US flag-burning zealot who supports terr0rists.

Fact is, there are many moderate Muslims too and many who even condemn terr0rism. Just like there are many anti-Zionist Jews & Israelis. And Chinese who aren't barbaric dog-eating militaristic threats to our red-blooded freedom and civility.

Our media doesn't like portraying those sides though. Why humanize our "enemies?"

Mai-Sai-Le
07-18-2004, 07:25 PM
Ha! I finally got a response from you boy! Hehe, I remember you from when we played "beachball" hint hint. We were talking about the possible connection between Asians and Native Americans.

I don't want the enemy to be humanized. That's not what I'm getting at. I'm talking about minorities falling suit behind the oppressor and oppressing ALL islamic and middle eastern people's. I'm not middle eastern, but still no one should face racism no matter what their background based on some extremists fools. And lots of small minded people will read that article and stereotype ALL Muslim men doing that to their women. And think that this sort of thing happens to ALL Muslim women. Since it seems most people can't use their own friggin' brain! :mad:

I knew a lady who came from Afghanistan (and not cause she was oppressed!) who came to live here in America. She worked living a good, productive life. My older sister was good friends with her. When this government sent their soldiers over there to kick out the Taliban, due to the brainwashing medias portrayal of ALL Afghanis and Islamic peoples being heathens, she got fired from her job. And her so called wonderful American neighbors taunted her and told her to go back to where she came from. This is the BS that rises outta the brainwashing media. It causes hate, racism, segregation. She never hurt anyone and yet she had to suffer cause of some small minded people.

krome
07-19-2004, 06:17 AM
^ He he, welcome here Mai! Well, my comment was representing what our media wants, not me.

Our media is pretty uniformly negative on Mid Easterners and Chinese/Asians, in particular, to be frank. I've noticed this for awhile now. But, the Mid East actually has a lot of culture and so does China. Look at all the great unique Chinese cuisine in China - yet only "dog" make the news here. There are many masters of TCM and martial arts there, far more advanced than anyone here - yet all you see is depictions of Chinese as human-abusive, s*xist, nuclear threats. Rarely do you see any sympathetic, even-handed or promotional coverage. And all this bias does trickle down and transfer to members of those races here. It's quite ridiculous and infuriating.

Mai-Sai-Le
07-19-2004, 10:50 PM
Thanks for the welcome, krome :wink: I was chasing you down! lol j/k I agree with what you said. I'm glad I never stereotyped anyone no matter what I heard in the news. China is a beautiful country and everyone has it's problems. I rather concentrate on the good from everyone. :biggrin:

Be sure to check out this program on PBS krome and all, I put it on this site under "Histories, Traditions" .



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1421: THE YEAR CHINA DISCOVERED AMERICA?
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9 - 11:00 pm

This two-part program presents a startling journey of adventure and exploration that could turn the conventional view of world history on its head. Gavin Menzies, a retired British submarine commander, claims he has stumbled across "evidence" that now shows that the Chinese were the first to discover America -- decades before Columbus. (CC, Stereo)

ALAN ALDA IN SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN FRONTIERS
"Coming into America"
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9 - 10:00 pm

Who were the first Americans and when did they arrive? New discoveries and techniques for dating them have experts rethinking what we know -- and rewriting history. Join Alan
Alda as he tries to find out who's saying what, and why. (CC, Stereo, DVI) Learn more about the tools archaeologists use to reconstruct our human history at the companion Web site.

http://www.pbs.org//saf/1406

krome
07-31-2004, 04:04 PM
^ Hey, thanks MSL! Unfortunately, I've been out on a road trip for over a week so missed the show.

However, I did roll all throughout "Indian country" in the SW and met many full-bloods. Some even had totally "ch*nky" (PC-incorrect, I know) eyes and could have passed for straight Asians except their skin was much darker. I even talked to one Navajo girl and brought up the "ho-wa" linguistic connection. All very interesting...!

Mai-Sai-Le
08-01-2004, 10:46 PM
Okay krome. I have been to the SW too. Went to New Mexico. Seen Taos, visited the Pueblo Indian village their, Sante Fe, went hiking there, and Alburquerque.