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kitty
09-09-2003, 12:07 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/09/judge.popups.reut/index.html

Judge: Pop-up ads a 'burden' but legal
Tuesday, September 9, 2003 Posted: 2:42 PM EDT (1842 GMT)


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A federal judge has rejected a legal challenge by truck and trailer rental company U-Haul to pop-up Internet advertisements, in a ruling that could embolden providers of the ads.

U.S. District Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, in a ruling handed down Friday, dismissed U-Haul's lawsuit, which sought to ban software by Internet advertising company WhenU that launched rival pop-up ads when customers access U-Haul's Web site.

Lee said the ads don't violate the law because WhenU's software didn't copy or use U-Haul's trademark or copyright material, and because computer users themselves had chosen to download the pop-up software.

"While at first blush this detour in the user's Web search seems like a siphon-off of a business opportunity, the fact is that the computer user consented to this detour when the user downloaded WhenU's computer software from the Internet," Lee said.

How lawsuit was filed

Arizona-based U-Haul, a unit of AMERCO Inc., filed the lawsuit against WhenU in October last year in federal court in Alexandria, Virginia, claiming the ads were a violation of its trademarks and copyrights and also violated unfair competition laws.

If other courts reach the same conclusion as Lee, it would remove a potential obstacle for companies like WhenU and Gator Corp., which also offers software that triggers pop-up ads related to Internet addresses a user visits.

U-Haul's lawsuit sought both monetary damages and an injunction barring the pop-up ads running on its Web sites.

Happy with decision

WhenU described Lee's ruling as "very favorable."

"This is a victory for consumer choice -- it ultimately protects consumers' right to control what they see on their computer screens," WhenU chief executive Avi Naider said in a statement.

U-Haul issued a statement expressing disappointment about the ruling, but insisting that Web site owners "have the right to display their Web sites without having their sites hidden behind such invasive advertisements.

"We are currently evaluating our options for appeal," the company's statement says.

Judge Lee acknowledged that pop-up ads are often troublesome and annoying.

"Alas, we computer users must endure pop-up advertising along with her ugly brother unsolicited bulk e-mail, 'spam', as a burden of using the Internet," he wrote.

artsfartsyjanet
09-09-2003, 12:16 PM
thank gosh i have pop up blockers.

jimbo
09-09-2003, 01:06 PM
the judge is called bruce lee? :p

ism
09-09-2003, 02:26 PM
Consumer choice... I have to agree with the judge, in the way UHaul presented their case, it's up to the consumer what software to install. Now, if someone could do something about Gator's deceptive practices of getting that software installed, that would fix the other half of the problem.

jimbo
09-09-2003, 02:40 PM
if someone could do something about Gator's deceptive practices of getting that software installed, that would fix the other half of the problem.

The gator problem is being worked on as we speak.

the guys at pcpitstop.com are working on the case.

Martinkou
09-09-2003, 03:32 PM
Thank God for Mozilla and that Google toolbar.

mr. x
09-10-2003, 12:48 AM
popups i understand but they need to do something about spyware and all that other shit those companies plant on your computer, im sick of it

Emperor_Mike
09-11-2003, 11:59 AM
Mozilla's great!

Uncle Tat
09-11-2003, 05:40 PM
Just get Zone Control.

Faithless
09-12-2003, 12:56 AM
U.S. District Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, in a ruling handed down Friday, dismissed U-Haul's lawsuit, which sought to ban software by Internet advertising company WhenU that launched rival pop-up ads when customers access U-Haul's Web site.

Why doesn't U-Haul just threaten to not advertise on WhenU?

Faithless
02-16-2004, 01:32 AM
Microsoft rethinks pop-up stance (http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/windows/0,39020396,39146220,00.htm)
The software giant will phase out pop-up ads after research revealed customers' irritation with the format

Those mosquito-like "pop-up" and "pop-under" Web advertisements could be headed for rapid extinction after Microsoft decided to phase them out across its MSN Internet units around the globe by summer.

The software giant said on Friday internal research showed customers were growing increasingly dissatisfied with the seemingly ubiquitous offers that appear in new windows when certain MSN Web sites are accessed.

As a result, the company will no longer sell such ad formats to advertisers. The ban goes into effect shortly for MSN's media properties in the United Kingdom, the Nordic countries and Belgium, extending to all territories in the coming months, the firm said.

MSN in the US began the practice at the end of 2003.

MSN, which describes itself as the world's most popular Web portals with 350 million global visitors, is the latest Internet firm to ban the much-maligned advertising format.

Time Warner's Internet unit, AOL, began blocking the ads from its US portal last year.

The backlash comes amid a resurgence in Internet advertising, the lifeblood of the majority of online businesses. Advertisers and Internet media executives have been trying to develop alternatives to the "pop-up" and "pop-under" formats, which has been implemented over the years by advertisers ranging from airlines to pornography purveyors.

Last week, Microsoft reported in a Security and Exchange Commission document its MSN division generated a $79m (£41m) operating loss in the quarter ended 31 December.

But revenues jumped 16 percent year-on-year in the quarter to $546m as it shifted focus on boosting advertising revenue and developing subscription-based services.

Does this make Bill your fren agen?

Faithless
11-30-2004, 12:30 PM
I found another annoyance -- web pages with inline Java visuals. Even if your some supposedly respectable news web site, I'd still like the courtesy of not having to wait for the graphic to load before I can see the web page.

There are also these psuedo popups where a small window, generally, runs a cross the screen. How does a popup blocker catch them? Those and the ones that are nothing more than a big shockwave file, or the ones that don't seem to have a URL.

Then there are those with some graphic that hogs the web page where you just happen to be reading, and you can't seem to find the little "X" that will close the bitch. Argh!

sinisterpanda
11-30-2004, 12:58 PM
If they can have such annoying pop ads then we should be able to file share:) I think that should be the agreement.

kitty
11-30-2004, 01:31 PM
I found another annoyance -- web pages with inline Java visuals. Even if your some supposedly respectable news web site, I'd still like the courtesy of not having to wait for the graphic to load before I can see the web page.

There are also these psuedo popups where a small window, generally, runs a cross the screen. How does a popup blocker catch them? Those and the ones that are nothing more than a big shockwave file, or the ones that don't seem to have a URL.

Then there are those with some graphic that hogs the web page where you just happen to be reading, and you can't seem to find the little "X" that will close the bitch. Argh!

agreed. it's a creative way to get around things, but so annoying. it's as annoying as when the TV channels started making these little popup animations to remind you to watch some other show you're not interested in...

some little graphic pops into the corner and flashes around, distracting you from your show. what's REALLY annoying is when the popup thing has a really loud sound effect so you can't even hear what's happening on the show you're watching, and end up missing important story points because you just learned that they were going to have a surreal life marathon next tuesday at 4am.