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SunWuKong
08-29-2003, 04:25 PM
here's a great site with a lot of CCP (Chinese Communist Party) propaganda posters. some are really funny looking, and some look really good. they're a great reflection of the periods of history that they were used in. the site also has short write-ups on Chinese history that relates to the posters.

http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/


http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/images/nh14.jpg
a Chinese new year poster. i thought it was funny because there's a stack of American dollar bills and a stack of Chinese yuan bills in the middle. this one came from the 80s when Deng Xiaoping declared that it was "glorious to make money".

http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/images/img0036.jpg
that's Premier Zhou Enlai pictured in the middle. he was Mao's second-hand man, and was probably the most benevolent leader of his generation. he called for moderation, and often had to keep Mao in check. he used to do things like going around the countryside and telling people to preserve historical buildings and structures.

http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/images/iron01.jpg
here's a beautiful poster advocating gender equality. pictured is a woman doing what would traditionally be considered "men's work".

http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/images/hk1.jpg
a poster for the reunification of HK and mainland China, featuring the picture of Deng Xiaoping. you can see the Great Wall and Tianenmen Square at the top, two symbols of the Chinese nation, and you can see parts of Hong Kong at the bottom. it was rare for Deng Xiaoping to appear in propaganda posters. he was a very different leader from Mao Zedong. Deng shunned public adoration, while Mao basked in the worship of the Chinese people. Deng was very practical, while Mao acted on his whims.

Red_Matrix
08-29-2003, 05:04 PM
Nice posters. I just find it ironic that a state that promotes communistic ideals would also promote the gloriousness of making money. I guess the commies realized that left-wing economics just doesn't work in our real and individualistic world. Perhaps they read a book by Ayn Rand and started kicking themselves. Btw, why is China 104th in the 2003 UN human development index report? I thought they would be much higher up on the scale.

http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/pdf/hdr03_HDI.pdf

:confused:

MellowDrama
08-29-2003, 06:18 PM
I love those posters! :)

ChinaLama
08-29-2003, 06:26 PM
what's even cooler are the commie songs. ;)

SunWuKong
08-29-2003, 07:09 PM
Nice posters. I just find it ironic that a state that promotes communistic ideals would also promote the gloriousness of making money. I guess the commies realized that left-wing economics just doesn't work in our real and individualistic world. Perhaps they read a book by Ayn Rand and started kicking themselves. Btw, why is China 104th in the 2003 UN human development index report? I thought they would be much higher up on the scale.

http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/pdf/hdr03_HDI.pdf

:confused:


yeah they woke up one day and realised "oh shit, what the hell are we doing?"

actually Zhou Enlai had wanted to implement economic reforms for a long time. but he couldn't do it because Mao was around and he knew Mao would never go for it. Deng Xiaoping was Zhou Enlai's protegé, and when Zhou Enlai died, he wanted Deng Xiaoping to carry out the reforms he had wanted to carry out, and that's what Deng Xiaoping did, after restoring order to a China that was torn by ten years of Cultural Revolution.

Ogumo
08-29-2003, 09:31 PM
I like the second and third.

ModernLogic
09-01-2003, 03:01 AM
what's even cooler are the commie songs. ;)

Anyone who knows me personally will know that I hate the Communists even more than I hate rght-wing Japanese.

But I must admit, they had some pretty good songs.

There's this one Commie-Scumbag-Propaganda song I really love. I can't describe this one but if you've seen the movie, "The Last Emperor," it's the song that's being played when the read guards were marching around and beating up people. (Again, complements of Mao)

ModernLogic
09-01-2003, 03:05 AM
Btw, why is China 104th in the 2003 UN human development index report? I thought they would be much higher up on the scale.

http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/pdf/hdr03_HDI.pdf

:confused:


That's cuz they factored in stupid issues like "human rights." If they just focused on economic variables, China would be a lot higher.

I'm not saying that human rights is bad... The government should definitely respect inalienable civil liberties. However, I don't want to see China decay to the state of America where people are so self-centered, they place their individual benefits over that of the nation.

A Nationalists is someone who places the importance of the nation over the individual.

AliBabaIncorporated
09-01-2003, 08:16 AM
A Nationalists is someone who places the importance of the nation over the individual.
Ah, like the New Soviet Man who emerged after the great patriotic war, right?

SunWuKong
09-01-2003, 09:59 AM
Anyone who knows me personally will know that I hate the Communists even more than I hate rght-wing Japanese.

But I must admit, they had some pretty good songs.

There's this one Commie-Scumbag-Propaganda song I really love. I can't describe this one but if you've seen the movie, "The Last Emperor," it's the song that's being played when the read guards were marching around and beating up people. (Again, complements of Mao)


my grandfather knows a lot of those propaganda songs. he's a CCP supporter. but the funny thing is that he doesn't speak Mandarin, and all those songs are in Mandarin. he even tried to teach me some when i was little.

SunWuKong
09-01-2003, 10:03 AM
However, I don't want to see China decay to the state of America where people are so self-centered, they place their individual benefits over that of the nation.


uh... people in China already do this.
face it, it's human nature. it's only those who are fervent nationalists who place national interests over their individual interests. all over the world, the only reason people don't go around betraying their countries is because that is illegal and they'd get persecuted (thus that is not good for their individual benefits).

ChinaLama
09-01-2003, 07:33 PM
A Nationalists is someone who places the importance of the nation over the individual.

What exactly is the Chinese "nation" anyway? The concept of a Chinese "nation" is very much a 19th and 20th century one imported from Europe. Before that, there was loyalty to the emperor or loyalty to one's parents, or even loyalty to one's region, but was there a loyalty to a "nation?"

MellowDrama
09-01-2003, 08:16 PM
what's even cooler are the commie songs. ;)


QI LAI! QI LAI! QI LAI!

:)

SunWuKong
09-01-2003, 11:13 PM
What exactly is the Chinese "nation" anyway? The concept of a Chinese "nation" is very much a 19th and 20th century one imported from Europe. Before that, there was loyalty to the emperor or loyalty to one's parents, or even loyalty to one's region, but was there a loyalty to a "nation?"


i don't know if it's imported from Europe, but you're correct in that Chinese nationalism is a concept borne out of the 20th century. before that, there was no real concept of the identity of "Chinese people". people in China thought of each other regionally, and Japanese as Japanese, Vietnamese as Vietnamese, Koreans as Koreans, etc, and all the Europeans as wai guo ren. then China as a whole was besieged by foreign powers, and there was a need for unity.

SunWuKong
09-01-2003, 11:22 PM
oh by the way, an underground Beijing punk band called Tang Dynasty did a punk version of the Chinese version of The Internationale. it's very excellent.

AngryABCGirl
09-19-2003, 03:28 AM
I'm only looking at this now because it is late at night and I am refuse to sleep because I *might* just pack. Ha.

That picture with Zhou Enlai in the middle paralells a European painting with Jesus in the middle, the colors, the way people are positioned, everything, I wonder if that was intentional.

Craig
09-20-2003, 12:41 AM
Anybody know of any good places to buy these kinds of posters online in the USA ?

yoMAMA
09-20-2003, 01:18 PM
Anyone who knows me personally will know that I hate the Communists even more than I hate rght-wing Japanese.

But I must admit, they had some pretty good songs.

There's this one Commie-Scumbag-Propaganda song I really love. I can't describe this one but if you've seen the movie, "The Last Emperor," it's the song that's being played when the read guards were marching around and beating up people. (Again, complements of Mao)


Yeah, those commie scumbags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!