The Asian Christian out there. [Archive]

Emperor_Mike

08-07-2003, 07:56 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sdcheung @ Aug 7 2003, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah AA Youth Groups scare me too. [/b][/quote]
Hey! I'm part of an AA Youth Group! It's not that bad, but it can get out of hand when you have one too many over-zealous Catholic teenagers. I presided over a debate on Gay Marriages last weekend and boy, that turned ugly *real* fast.

Anyway, back on topic. I'm a Roman Catholic and erstwhile Buddhist. Buddhism didn't work out for me so I did a reverse course and headed to Rome.

sdcheung

08-07-2003, 08:18 PM

at one time I had 4 roads..

Wartburg-Wittenburg (protestantism)
Canterbury (Episcopalianism)
Rome (Roman Catholicism)

and Constantinople (Eastern Orthodoxy)

I took the longer road.. :blush:

Rogmok

08-07-2003, 09:23 PM

i've been part of nondemoninal church for a while, though recently our church affiliated with evangelical covenant church (ECC), but technically i'm still non demonination..

AngryABCGirl

08-07-2003, 09:25 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 7 2003, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Catholic. Baptised and raised as Catholic. Former atheist and almost-Muslim. Now I'm back, sorta.

Protestants scare me. Especially the AA youth groups. :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
They are good at sucking in people at the UCs who need emotional support. :ph34r:

Not saying it to be malicious or anything, but people who need help seem attracted to them and stuck by like magnets.

coagulated fat

08-07-2003, 09:30 PM

I'm a confused cocktail of atheist and some kind of Christian.

teaz0r

08-07-2003, 10:05 PM

Anglican - Episcopalian

i haven't gone to church in such a long time.
one of the last times was in high school. i was
fucking a boy in the chapel's crypt.

doop doop.

i have a very nice crucifix around my neck though.

Emperor_Mike

08-07-2003, 10:07 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sdcheung @ Aug 7 2003, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> at one time I had 4 roads..

Wartburg-Wittenburg (protestantism)
Canterbury (Episcopalianism)
Rome (Roman Catholicism)

and Constantinople (Eastern Orthodoxy)

I took the longer road.. :blush: [/b][/quote]
Interesting note: the schism between Rome and Constantinople was almost resolved at the Council of Florence six hundred odd years ago when Ottoman Turkey threatened the Byzantine Empire and Emperor Konstantinos XI Palaeologus. Imagine what it'd be like today if the Eastern and Western churches were unified.

...

Okay...maybe it wasn't that interesting.

sdcheung

08-07-2003, 10:30 PM

Yeah probbaly our Byzantine liturgy would be latinized.
We'd all be believing in the RC Dogmas.

Fun.

_______________________________________________

As for TeazOr..
Hmm screwing in the crypt..
sounds like fun.

Too bad my Church doesn't have a crypt, so I can't screw my cute Georgian (Caucasus) girl anywhere in Church.

Fireblade

08-07-2003, 10:38 PM

I'm a non-practicing christian... I dunno what denomination I'm in. :blink:

AngryABCGirl

08-08-2003, 04:05 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (teaz0r @ Aug 7 2003, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Anglican - Episcopalian

i haven't gone to church in such a long time.
one of the last times was in high school. i was
fucking a boy in the chapel's crypt.

doop doop.

i have a very nice crucifix around my neck though. [/b][/quote]
That's crazy kinky.

SunWuKong

08-08-2003, 07:51 AM

non-denominational and haven't gone to church in ages.

and for some reason, while i think Asian churches (in the US) are great, Asian religious youth groups/bible study groups/etc weird me out.

Xanadu

08-08-2003, 08:10 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (professor frink @ Aug 7 2003, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> surface jew + atheist= agnostic

love,
prof. frink [/b][/quote]
Wrong, "professor". Being agnostic is not just confined to those who practice Judaism. Plus, one cannot be an atheist and agnostic at the same time, as they mean different terms that contradict each other.

YuheiCarreau

08-08-2003, 08:47 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xanadu @ Aug 8 2003, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (professor frink @ Aug 7 2003, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> surface jew + atheist= agnostic

love,
    prof. frink [/b][/quote]
Wrong, "professor". Being agnostic is not just confined to those who practice Judaism. Plus, one cannot be an atheist and agnostic at the same time, as they mean different terms that contradict each other. [/b][/quote]
She may actually be talking about her parents; as in, one was a Jew, one was an atheist, and their child is an agnostic...

moJo

08-08-2003, 09:59 AM

non-denominational Christian who is wary of church and the way it seems to suck ppl in and brainwash them. I prefer my own personal relationship with God. But that could just be my excuse for being lazy. :unsure:

rice cracker

08-08-2003, 11:39 AM

I'm...not sure. I don't go to church, I don't believe in god, but I'm really superstitious. I believe in good and bad luck, ghosts, voodoo, etc. :ph34r:

AliBabaIncorporated

08-08-2003, 11:50 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 8 2003, 06:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and for some reason, while i think Asian churches (in the US) are great, Asian religious youth groups/bible study groups/etc weird me out. [/b][/quote]
Don't worry. They weird out lots of people. It could be the fact that most of the people therein refuse to attend any non-church sponsored social activities, and are always trying to drag you to some 100% evangelical gathering under the guise of "hanging out." Their decided rejection of ecumenicism also gets on a lot of people's nerves (e.g. Catholics aren't real Christians, people who engage in Chinese ancestor "worship" are paying respect to the devil, etc.)

SunWuKong

08-08-2003, 12:02 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rice cracker @ Aug 8 2003, 01:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm...not sure. I don't go to church, I don't believe in god, but I'm really superstitious. I believe in good and bad luck, ghosts, voodoo, etc. :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
did you know it's bad luck for hapa girls to not date Chinese guys around the age of 26 and who works as a software engineer?

rice cracker

08-08-2003, 12:03 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 8 2003, 10:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> did you know it's bad luck for hapa girls to not date Chinese guys around the age of 26 and who works as a software engineer? [/b][/quote]
Don't worry, I bought an amulet from a gypsy that will protect me :lol:

SunWuKong

08-08-2003, 12:07 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 8 2003, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Don't worry. They weird out lots of people. It could be the fact that most of the people therein refuse to attend any non-church sponsored social activities, and are always trying to drag you to some 100% evangelical gathering under the guise of "hanging out." Their decided rejection of ecumenicism also gets on a lot of people's nerves (e.g. Catholics aren't real Christians, people who engage in Chinese ancestor "worship" are paying respect to the devil, etc.) [/b][/quote]
it's not really that. i mean that kind of behaviour transcends race. it's this idea that they're TAIWANESE youth group, or KOREAN youth group, or CHINESE youth group, etc etc. but you know they're just American-born kids who speak English to each other. otherwise these groups would be advertised in their respective ethnic languages. i don't know why, but putting race/ethnicity in this sort of thing weirds me out. at least for Asian churches, services are conducted in an Asian language, and there's a lot of community building, or maybe i just don't really understand what these youth groups really do.

sidenote: i know that there are a lot of Christians (Chinese) in HK that have reconciliated ancestral worship with their faith, where they see ancestral worship as a secularised tradition in Chinese culture.

BigLew

08-08-2003, 12:19 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tapestrybabe @ Aug 7 2003, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My dad is a methodist minister...

but i'm not one into practicing it...
like i never attend church and what not...
damn, its been so long i've gone to church...
i cant remember the last time i actually attended... [/b][/quote]
No shit? My dad is an episcopal minister.

moJo

08-08-2003, 12:32 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BigLew @ Aug 8 2003, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
No shit?  My dad is an episcopal minister.[/b][/quote]
:lol: oh, the irony...

that was the funniest thing i've read today. :P

AliBabaIncorporated

08-08-2003, 12:48 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 8 2003, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> it's not really that. i mean that kind of behaviour transcends race. it's this idea that they're TAIWANESE youth group, or KOREAN youth group, or CHINESE youth group, etc etc. but you know they're just American-born kids who speak English to each other. otherwise these groups would be advertised in their respective ethnic languages. i don't know why, but putting race/ethnicity in this sort of thing weirds me out. [/b][/quote]
Easy, attending an Asian church with English services rather than a plain old integrated church is just another one of those easy, cost-free badges of AA identity which kids can put on to advertise how "Asian" they are, without making actual changes in their lifestyle or culture.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 8 2003, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>sidenote:  i know that there are a lot of Christians (Chinese) in HK that have reconciliated ancestral worship with their faith, where they see ancestral worship as a secularised tradition in Chinese culture.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, it's lucky for them, cuz all the missionaries (http://www.hakkaministries.org/index2.htm) whom Protestant churches are sending out among Hakka in M'sia and Taiwan are basically trying to destroy our culture and convert us into American suburbanites in the name of Christianity ...

SunWuKong

08-08-2003, 01:09 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 8 2003, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah, it's lucky for them, cuz all the missionaries (http://www.hakkaministries.org/index2.htm) whom Protestant churches are sending out among Hakka in M'sia and Taiwan are basically trying to destroy our culture and convert us into American suburbanites in the name of Christianity ... [/b][/quote]
i feel like kicking them in the nuts for writing what they did about filial piety (http://www.hakkaministries.org/hakkas/filialpiety.htm) and the other Chinese traditions. and there's this passage they wrote about Taoism (http://www.hakkaministries.org/hakkas/taoism.htm):

The fruit of such Tao ("The Way") thinking is that all problems in life are essentially the fault of some imbalance. Hakkas have therefore come to employ a plethora of fortune-telling methods and alternative "medical" techniques to diagnose and cure these out-of-whack systems. Everything from putting super-heated suction cups on their bodies in order to realign the Life Force ("chi") … to hiring Feng-Shui ("wind-water") experts to divine which way the doors of their houses should properly face.

the super-heated suction cups thing have actually helped to relieve many ailments, and it has nothing to do with "chi". it has to do with blood circulation.

whatever. i feel like kicking them all in the nuts. for a bunch of people who care enough about Chinese people to try to convert them, they sure don't have any respect for Chinese culture.

by the way, i think i might have mentioned this before, but there's a book called Christian Souls and Chinese Spirits: A Hakka Community in Hong Kong (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520083849/qid=1060368814/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-6176899-3334366?v=glance&s=books) about a Hakka Christian community in New Territories in HK.

Faithless

08-08-2003, 01:46 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 8 2003, 05:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> non-denominational and haven't gone to church in ages.

and for some reason, while i think Asian churches (in the US) are great, Asian religious youth groups/bible study groups/etc weird me out. [/b][/quote]
Ditto, especially when you go to a "fellowship" meeting and they're talking about some bigotted shit that just puckers your ass.

I'm non demoninational. My wife's family is United Church of Christ though.

And my mom's side is nothing but protestant ministers. I don't argue with them, though, since they do more good than bad for the people they serve.

yoMAMA

08-08-2003, 03:35 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 8 2003, 11:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 8 2003, 05:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> non-denominational and haven't gone to church in ages.

and for some reason, while i think Asian churches (in the US) are great, Asian religious youth groups/bible study groups/etc weird me out. [/b][/quote]
Ditto, especially when you go to a "fellowship" meeting and they're talking about some bigotted shit that just puckers your ass.

I'm non demoninational. My wife's family is United Church of Christ though.

And my mom's side is nothing but protestant ministers. I don't argue with them, though, since they do more good than bad for the people they serve. [/b][/quote]
My school just hosted a conference on the UCC musicans.

I'm not christian though.

BigLew

08-08-2003, 03:47 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sportie @ Aug 8 2003, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BigLew @ Aug 8 2003, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
No shit? My dad is an episcopal minister.[/b][/quote]
:lol: oh, the irony...

that was the funniest thing i've read today. :P [/b][/quote]
Ok... I am not very religious sooo... at the risk of sounding like an ignoramus why is this ironic? Am I having a banana moment or does my ignorance trancend race on this one?

DragonKnight

08-08-2003, 04:01 PM

Baptized and confirmed Roman Catholic.

Eros

08-09-2003, 01:03 AM

I was raised Catholic. Not very well, mind you, since I hardly went to church and Sunday school and was never confirmed. Currently, dunno what I am. I have just just kind of mixed together a lot of different things. Little Christianity, though, aside from occasionally picking things out of the bible that make sense.

Yeah... some of those missionaries/Youth Groups in Asia seem to be saying some really weird things. I remember reading an article about two Taiwanese girls who converted to Christianity (one was originally Buddhist, the other was a Taiwanese/Ancestral religion). When they interviewed the ex-Buddhist she said "One thing I didn't like about Asian religions is they say there is something wrong with you from birth. Christianity is not like that at all." All I could think is that she was sick the day they coverred Original Sin.

Of course, the Christian Youths groups are under suspect everywhere. During my freshman year of college I mentioned to my mom that there were a lot of Christian groups recruiting at my campus. She gave me an angry look and told me to never associate with them. :P Of course, I never wanted to 'cause the one time I talked to one representative for awhile about the group, he treated me like an idiot. "This arrow is Jesus. See how it reaches all the way to God from humanity while the other don't? That's because he is the only way. Do you understand? Are you sure? How about you tell me what it means." This explaination of worshipping Christ (with diagrams) was, I believe, after I told him I was raised Catholic.

Hiroshi2

08-09-2003, 01:08 AM

Hmmm, I believe in God but I don't know if I'm what you would call religious.......my mom converted a few years ago and yeah I remember this weird change and everything, but I have gotten used to it. I don't feel like I was raised Christian, but in general I am at church on Sunday mornings and yes I do have faith, just not religion (there is a difference). I agree completely with Emperor Mike that we all need faith to get along.

SunWuKong

08-09-2003, 02:00 AM

i wonder if God likes beer or wine better

Eros

08-09-2003, 02:23 AM

Wine. Easier for him to make.

Adaon

08-09-2003, 02:28 AM

Christian, Protestant (Christian Reformed)

Wouldn't this be easier to merge with one of the earlier thread's on faith religion of the members?

Azn Retribution

08-09-2003, 04:15 AM

Seventh-Day Adventist.

Faithless

08-09-2003, 11:07 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 9 2003, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i wonder if God likes beer or wine better [/b][/quote]
Grape juice.

sdcheung

08-10-2003, 08:37 PM

I'm back.

well seems we have a good population here.

Emperor_Mike

08-10-2003, 10:34 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 9 2003, 09:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Grape juice. [/b][/quote]
My Protestant friend takes communion with real bread and grape juice. I think his Pastor is just plain cheap.

sdcheung

08-10-2003, 11:02 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Aug 10 2003, 08:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My Protestant friend takes communion with real bread and grape juice. I think his Pastor is just plain cheap. [/b][/quote]
yeah..it should always be wine.

Commandaria is the best communion wine.