Inter-Asian Hate: The Complete Analysis [Archive]

ModernLogic

08-04-2003, 12:25 AM

This was inspired by the post "Old Country Hate" also in this section. Except here, I'm trying to analyze the source of the hatred.

Korea Vs Japanese - Koreans hate the Japanese for the colonialization of Korea and the Comfort women issue. I don't think the Japanese hate the Koreans, they just look down on them.

Chinese Vs. Korean - I don't really know of Chinese who hate Koreans but I do know A LOT of Koreans who trash-talk about the Chinese. But then again, the Koreans talk trash about EVERYONE.

Chinese Vs Japanese - Despite the fact that Japan got their culture and written language from China, they hate the Chinese because quite frankly, the Japanese are idiots. The Chinese hate the Japanese because of the 20 million killed in WW2, medical experiments, Chinese slave labor, Nanking, etc.

Chinese Vs Vietnamese - I'm not sure why Vietnamese hate Chinese people but it might be related to the brief war that China and Vietnam fought during the 1960s. Also, I know some Chinese who look down on the Vietnamese which I think is stupid.

Chinese Vs Malay - While the Chinese are a minority in Malaysia they control a majority of the economy and business. Anti-Chinese sentiment in malaysia are simply the product of jealousy.

Chinese Vs Indonesian - Analagous to the Chinese vs. Malay situation.

Thai V Cambodia - Thailand is a relatively successful country in South East Asia in terms of culture and economics. Cambodia is dirt poor and still recovering from Pol Pot's horrific Khmer Rouge regime. This inequalities naturally leads to jealousy. Last year, rumors spread that Thailand considers the Ankor Wat temple to be Thai in origin which enraged Cambodians who looted and rioted against Thai merchants. Quite stupid, really.

Viet V Cambodian - I'm really not sure but I think Vietnamese look down on other SE Asians in general. They think they're the best out of other SouthEast Asians.

Koreans Vs. SouthEast Asians - I've met three Koreans in my life who hate SouthEast Asians with a passion. I know the sample size is too small to draw any accurate conclusion on Koreans in general but when I asked them why they hate SE Asians, they almost all said: "They're dirty, rude, stupid and lazy." LOL. Go figure.

Pakistani V Indian - Most of this conflict was religious and it was created during the 1950s Partition. In 1950, Mohammed Jinnah spearheaded the creation of a Muslim state for Muslims in India despite Gandhi's protest. Hindu vs. Muslim fighting erupted and millions were killed as Pakistan broke off from India.

Indian V Chinese - Some of it is due to the brief border war fought between China and India during the 1950s. India also accuses China of supporting it's arch-enemy, Pakistan. India also feels China is threatening her economic growth through competition.

Northern Chinese Vs. Southern Chinese - I think Northern and Southern Chinese are racially different people, but not by much. The North (excluding Manchuria and Inner Mongolia) has always considered itself more "Chinese" than the South. During the Tang Dynasty (700s?) the South was looked down upon by the rest of China. However, when the Mongols invaded in the 1200s, much of Northern China fled to Southern China and that's when South China was really officially accepted as truly Chinese. Recently, the South is the most modern and developed part of China due to its proximity to Hong Kong.

ModernLogic

08-04-2003, 12:46 AM

By the way, I don't buy the whole "Pan-Asian Unity" myth for a second. Simply put, Asians are racist, petty and stupid (myself included). I think trying to promote a Pan-Asian existence is fool's errand. We will eventually evolve into a balkanized group of hateful hawks, writhing with inter-ethnic hate.

Hey, I'm not condoning it. I'm just telling it like it is.

YuheiCarreau

08-04-2003, 12:57 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Aug 4 2003, 03:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Chinese Vs Japanese - Despite the fact that Japan got their culture and written language from China, they hate the Chinese because quite frankly, the Japanese are idiots. The Chinese hate the Japanese because of the 20 million killed in WW2, medical experiments, Chinese slave labor, Nanking, etc. [/b][/quote]
Hey there, hello, welcome to Yellowworld. Don't say stuff like "quite frankly, the Japanese are idiots".

And learn some history. The reason why Japanese don't like the Chinese stretches far back into the two countries' history with each other, and mostly comes from the fact that until fairly recently China was a lot more powerful than Japan, and constantly demanded tribute and threatened to invade us. Because of this, the Japanese made it a point to thrash the Chinese navy as soon as the Japanese military modernized. Defeating their historical opponent was a big boost to Japanese nationalism, and so anti-Chinese propaganda is often tied to nationalist movements in Japan. Not really a fantastic reason to hate the Chinese, but a reason nonetheless. A lot of the anti-Chinese sentiment in many of China's neighboring countries have similar roots; China has a long history of colonizating and oppressing the countries on its borders.

You can 'tell it like it is'. But you're not gonna get a lot of respect if you don't think a little before doing so.

SunWuKong

08-04-2003, 01:17 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Aug 4 2003, 03:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hey there, hello, welcome to Yellowworld. Don't say stuff like "quite frankly, the Japanese are idiots".

And learn some history. The reason why Japanese don't like the Chinese stretches far back into the two countries' history with each other, and mostly comes from the fact that until fairly recently China was a lot more powerful than Japan, and constantly demanded tribute and threatened to invade us. Because of this, the Japanese made it a point to thrash the Chinese navy as soon as the Japanese military modernized. Defeating their historical opponent was a big boost to Japanese nationalism, and so anti-Chinese propaganda is often tied to nationalist movements in Japan. Not really a fantastic reason to hate the Chinese, but a reason nonetheless. A lot of the anti-Chinese sentiment in many of China's neighboring countries have similar roots; China has a long history of colonizating and oppressing the countries on its borders.

You can 'tell it like it is'. But you're not gonna get a lot of respect if you don't think a little before doing so. [/b][/quote]
i don't know about the tributary system for Japan, but actually for Korea, the tributary system ended up being a drain on the royal treasury for China, because how it works is that the vassal states would give China tributes, and China would give its vassal states "gifts". so in reality, it was more of a trade - which, yes, was forced upon by the Chinese. but the value of what China was giving away as "gifts" was actually worth more than what it was getting in return as tributes.

gangsta_T

08-04-2003, 01:43 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Aug 3 2003, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Chinese Vs Vietnamese - I'm not sure why Vietnamese hate Chinese people but it might be related to the brief war that China and Vietnam fought during the 1960s.  Also, I know some Chinese who look down on the Vietnamese which I think is stupid.
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Its root is deeper than the 1960's. Here's an except from http://disc.cba.uh.edu/~lienhoa/history.shtml Man, more than 1000 years of conflicts. I can understand if the 2 sides got issues with each other.

Brief History of Vietnam

The Vietnamese first appeared in history as one of many scattered peoples living in what is now South China and Northern Vietnam just before the beginning of the Christian era. According to local tradition, the small Vietnamese kingdom of Au Lac, loca ted in the heart of the Red River valley, was founded by a line of legendary kings who had ruled over the ancient kingdom of Van Lang for thousands of years. Historical evidence to substantiate this tradition is scanty, but archaeological findings indicat e that the early peoples of the Red River delta area may have been among the first East Asians to practice agriculture, and by the 1st century BC they had achieved a relatively advanced level of Bronze Age civilization.
Chinese Influence
In 221 BC the Ch'in dynasty in China completed its conquest of neighboring states and became the first to rule over a united China. The Ch'in Empire, however, did not long survive the death of its dynamic founder, Shih Huang Ti, and the impact of its collapse was soon felt in Vietnam. In the wreckage of the empire, the Chinese commander in the south built his own kingdom of Nam Viet (South Viet; Chinese, Nan Yüeh); the young state of Au Lac was included.
In 111 BC, Chinese armies conquered Nam Viet and absorbed it into the growing Han Empire. The Chinese conquest had fateful consequences for the future course of Vietnamese history. After briefly ruling through local chieftains, Chinese rulers attempte d to integrate Vietnam politically and culturally into the Han Empire. Chinese administrators were imported to replace the local landed nobility. Political institutions patterned after the Chinese model were imposed, and Confucianism became the official i deology. The Chinese language was introduced as the medium of official and literary expression, and Chinese ideographs were adopted as the written form for the Vietnamese spoken language. Chinese art, architecture, and music exercised a powerful impact on their Vietnamese counterparts.
Vietnamese resistance to rule by the Chinese was fierce but sporadic. The most famous early revolt took place in AD 39, when two widows of local aristocrats, the Trung sisters, led an uprising against foreign rule. The revolt was briefly successful, a nd the older sister, Trung Trac, established herself as ruler of an independent state. Chinese armies returned to the attack, however, and in AD 43 Vietnam was reconquered.

Independence
The Trung sisters' revolt was only the first in a series of intermittent uprisings that took place during a thousand years of Chinese rule in Vietnam. Finally, in 939, Vietnamese forces under Ngo Quyen took advantage of chaotic conditions in China to defeat local occupation troops and set up an independent state. Ngo Quyen's death a few years later ushered in a period of civil strife, but in the early 11th century the first of the great Vietnamese dynasties was founded. Under the astute leadership of several dynamic rulers, the Ly dynasty ruled Vietnam for more than 200 years, from 1010 to 1225. Although the rise of the Ly reflected the emergence of a lively sense of Vietnamese nationhood, Ly rulers retained many of the political and social institutio ns that had been introduced during the period of Chinese rule. Confucianism continued to provide the foundation for the political institutions of the state. The Chinese civil service examination system was retained as the means of selecting government off icials, and although at first only members of the nobility were permitted to compete in the examinations, eventually the right was extended to include most males. The educational system also continued to reflect the Chinese model. Young Vietnamese prepari ng for the examinations were schooled in the Confucian classics and grew up conversant with the great figures and ideas that had shaped Chinese history.
Vietnamese society, however, was more than just a pale reflection of China. Beneath the veneer of Chinese fashion and thought, popular mostly among the upper classes, native forms of expression continued to flourish. Young Vietnamese learned to apprec iate the great heroes of the Vietnamese past, many of whom had built their reputation on resistance to the Chinese conquest. At the village level, social mores reflected native forms more than patterns imported from China. Although to the superficial eye Vietnam looked like a “smaller dragon,” under the tutelage of the great empire to the north it continued to have a separate culture with vibrant traditions of its own.

The Economy Under the Ly Dynasty
Like most of its neighbors, Vietnam was primarily an agricultural state, its survival based above all on the cultivation of wet rice. As in medieval Europe, much of the land was divided among powerful noble families, who often owned thousands of serfs or domestic slaves. A class of landholding farmers also existed, however, and powerful monarchs frequently attempted to protect this class by limiting the power of feudal lords and dividing up their large estates.
The Vietnamese economy was not based solely on agriculture. Commerce and manufacturing thrived, and local crafts appeared in regional markets throughout the area. Vietnam never developed into a predominantly commercial nation, however, or became a maj or participant in regional trade patterns.

Territorial Expansion
Under the rule of the Ly dynasty and its successor, the Tran (1225-1400), Vietnam became a dynamic force in Southeast Asia. China's rulers, however, had not abandoned their historic objective of controlling the Red River delta, and when the Mongol dyn asty came to power in the 13th century, the armies of Kublai Khan attacked Vietnam in an effort to reincorporate it into the Chinese Empire. The Vietnamese resisted with vigor, and after several bitter battles they defeated the invaders and drove them bac k across the border.
While the Vietnamese maintained their vigilance toward the north, an area of equal and growing concern lay to the south. For centuries, the Vietnamese state had been restricted to its heartland in the Red River valley and adjacent hills. Tension betwe en Vietnam and the kingdom of Champa (see Champa, Kingdom of), a seafaring state along the central coast, appeared shortly after the restoration of Vietnamese independence. On several occasions, Cham armies broke through Vietnamese defenses and occupied t he capital near Hanoi. More frequently, Vietnamese troops were victorious, and they gradually drove Champa to the south. Finally, in the 15th century, Vietnamese forces captured the Cham capital south of present-day Da Nang and virtually destroyed the kin gdom. For the next several generations, Vietnam continued its historic “march to the south,” wiping up the remnants of the Cham Kingdom and gradually approaching the marshy flatlands of the Mekong delta. There it confronted a new foe, the Khmer Empire, wh ich had once been the most powerful state in the region. By the late 16th century, however, it had declined, and it offered little resistance to Vietnamese encroachment. By the end of the 17th century, Vietnam had occupied the lower Mekong delta and began to advance to the west, threatening to transform the disintegrating Khmer state into a mere protectorate. See also Cambodia.

The Le Dynasty
The Vietnamese advance to the south coincided with new challenges in the north. In 1407 Vietnam was again conquered by Chinese troops. For two decades, the Ming dynasty attempted to reintegrate Vietnam into the empire, but in 1428, resistance forces u nder the rebel leader Le Loi dealt the Chinese a decisive defeat and restored Vietnamese independence. Le Loi mounted the throne as the first emperor of the Le dynasty. The new ruling house retained its vigor for more than a hundred years, but in the 16th century it began to decline. Power at court was wielded by two rival aristocratic clans, the Trinh and the Nguyen. When the former became dominant, the Nguyen were granted a fiefdom in the south, dividing Vietnam into two separate zones. Rivalry was shar pened by the machinations of European powers newly arrived in Southeast Asia in pursuit of wealth and Christian converts.
By the late 18th century, the Le dynasty was near collapse. Vast rice lands were controlled by grasping feudal lords. Angry peasants—led by the Tay Son brothers—revolted, and in 1789 Nguyen Hue, the ablest of the brothers, briefly restored Vietnam to united rule. Nguyen Hue died shortly after ascending the throne; a few years later Nguyen Anh, an heir to the Nguyen house in the south, defeated the Tay Son armies. As Emperor Gia Long, he established a new dynasty in 1802.

gangsta_T

08-04-2003, 01:53 AM

What kinda weird was that once the Vietnamese were done with the Chinese, they had to deal with French colonization. And when they were done with the French, they had to deal with the Japanese during WWII. After the Japanese, came the Americans. LOL. Damn, this country got picked on a little too much don't y'all think?

yoMAMA

08-04-2003, 01:18 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 4 2003, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What kinda weird was that once the Vietnamese were done with the Chinese, they had to deal with French colonization. And when they were done with the French, they had to deal with the Japanese during WWII. After the Japanese, came the Americans. LOL. Damn, this country got picked on a little too much don't y'all think? [/b][/quote]
This happens when you are a small country with a strategic location.

seanp

08-04-2003, 01:31 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 4 2003, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What kinda weird was that once the Vietnamese were done with the Chinese, they had to deal with French colonization. And when they were done with the French, they had to deal with the Japanese during WWII. After the Japanese, came the Americans. LOL. Damn, this country got picked on a little too much don't y'all think? [/b][/quote]
Vietnam's geography is very vulnerable.. that's why it's always got picked... However, they also pick other small surrounded countries...like totally assimilated the Cham country..The thing is they're very proud of their assimilation resistance .. 1 millenium is not short .... :huh:

RasFarengi

08-04-2003, 01:50 PM

Xiao Rong Ji: (is your name like Little Zhu Rong Ji?) ;) I admire him too...

I also think that many Japanese look down on Chinese as being somewhat backward (it is a class issue), and also the fact that the Chinese mafia is currently leading a crime wave in various parts of Japan, and until recently the Mainland government has done little or nothing about it.

For more infor on that see this post:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?sh...showtopic=10141 (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?showtopic=10141)

I wouldn't say Japanese people hate Chinese. I know a lot of Japanese people, and that doesn't seem the case, I have noticed a attitude of superiority, but to be honest some not all Japanese nationals seem to take this attitude with all other Asian countries, actually all countries they consider more poor than than them. There are historical reasons for this, I think it goes back to how Japan modernized during Meiji...

Red_Matrix

08-04-2003, 02:00 PM

Wow, wow, lots of generalizations (but as some people say, "There is a little truth to all generalizations")...

Korea Vs Japanese - Koreans hate the Japanese for the colonialization of Korea and the Comfort women issue. I don't think the Japanese hate the Koreans, they just look down on them.

True. I also know many Koreans who look down at Japanese because the latter "borrowed" a lot of cultural elements from the former (e.g., the kidnappings of scholars, artists, etc. of Koreans by Japan during the Shogun days). Remember, during the Three Kingdom period, Japan was culturally inferior to Korea (I heard a story of a Paekche noble who visited Japan and offered the natives a sock, but they wore it on their heads because they thought it was a hat).

Chinese Vs. Korean - I don't really know of Chinese who hate Koreans but I do know A LOT of Koreans who trash-talk about the Chinese. But then again, the Koreans talk trash about EVERYONE.

Actually, this is wrong. Many Koreans think that Chinese people are the nicest of all Asians. The only real trash talk I've heard from Koreans regarding Chinese is that they are not too...hmm...tidy.

Chinese Vs Japanese - Despite the fact that Japan got their culture and written language from China, they hate the Chinese because quite frankly, the Japanese are idiots. The Chinese hate the Japanese because of the 20 million killed in WW2, medical experiments, Chinese slave labor, Nanking, etc.

This is understandable.

Koreans Vs. SouthEast Asians - I've met three Koreans in my life who hate SouthEast Asians with a passion. I know the sample size is too small to draw any accurate conclusion on Koreans in general but when I asked them why they hate SE Asians, they almost all said: 'They're dirty, rude, stupid and lazy.' LOL. Go figure.

What are you talking about? It's not only the Koreans who have negative attitudes towards South East Asians, but the Chinese and Japanese too. Typically, the North East Asian types (Koreans, Japanese, etc.) tend to think of their more southern neighbours as primitive and underdeveloped. I'm not condoning the attitude but that is what kind of response I get from talking to Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese. It is not only a Korean thing.

Napoleon Chynamite

08-04-2003, 03:11 PM

Actually, this is wrong. Many Koreans think that Chinese people are the nicest of all Asians. The only real trash talk I've heard from Koreans regarding Chinese is that they are not too...hmm...tidy.

Haha, I agree to a certain extent regarding tidiness and hygiene with some Chinese people. Also, Chinese seem to be nicer to other Asian groups and hold no major beef (most Chinese I've talked to don't even give a shit about the Japanese crap anymore, but maybe I know all the wrong people). Chinese are only asswipes towards each other or other Chinese provincial groups :rolleyes: This actually pisses me off big time. Even among ethnically divided cliques where you have the usual bullshit to deal with such as rumors, backstabbing, and all that crap, at least Koreans will stick together when the shit hits the fan and support or lend a helping hand, whereas Chinese (in general) just seem to be more...selfish (entrepreneurial-minded, for those PC people) and uncaring unless there is something (hint hint monetary gain) in it for them.

It's not only the Koreans who have negative attitudes towards South East Asians, but the Chinese and Japanese too. Typically, the North East Asian types (Koreans, Japanese, etc.) tend to think of their more southern neighbours as primitive and underdeveloped. I'm not condoning the attitude but that is what kind of response I get from talking to Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese. It is not only a Korean thing.

Yup, it's a class thing and people look down on other countries that are not as economically, financially, or politically well off (and other bullshit reasons to make themselves feel superior because they are insecure), complemented with traditional mentality such as 'light skin is better' excluding those with fetishes for like black people or dark skin (mostly in Japan, this is not meant to be a Japan-bashing remark for those like Yuhei who may take offense :)). You will always find a reason to put other people down or think less of them, if you dig deep enough or are desperate enough for a reason. Even Eugene will attest that girls in Japan (or guys) have come up to him to admire his 'white skin' and have said something along the lines of 'Your skin is so nice, let's trade, hehe'. Yea it sounds absurd, right? But it's just like if someone or some girl from American society went up to another girl or guy and said 'I wish I had your metabolism,' or 'If only I was as thin as you....' Virtually every Chinese, Korean, or Japanese FOB girl I know wants to be as pale as possible, whereas AA's usually want to be tan. This is not really 'wanting to be white' however, as it is a beauty trait valued long before whites ever were in the picture (I guess it's because rich people were naturally more pale than those rice paddy farmer guys or workers who were low class and more exposed to the sun).

ModernLogic

08-04-2003, 03:26 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 4 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Xiao Rong Ji: (is your name like Little Zhu Rong Ji?) ;) I admire him too...

I also think that many Japanese look down on Chinese as being somewhat backward (it is a class issue), and also the fact that the Chinese mafia is currently leading a crime wave in various parts of Japan, and until recently the Mainland government has done little or nothing about it.

For more infor on that see this post:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?sh...showtopic=10141 (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?showtopic=10141)

I wouldn't say Japanese people hate Chinese. I know a lot of Japanese people, and that doesn't seem the case, I have noticed a attitude of superiority, but to be honest some not all Japanese nationals seem to take this attitude with all other Asian countries, actually all countries they consider more poor than than them. There are historical reasons for this, I think it goes back to how Japan modernized during Meiji... [/b][/quote]
Greetings Ras,

I know about the Chinese triads in Japan giving us a bad image but it's important to dig deeper into the issue.

First off, Japan has a low crime rate to start with. Secondly, Japanese Yakuza gangsters often collaborate with Chinese snake heads and smuggle illegal Chinese immigrants into Japan. These illegal Chinese immigrants will have to repay their debts to the Yakuza by committing crimes for them. So surely, this phenomenon will jack up the crime rates of the Chinese tremendously and thus provide right-wingers like Ishihara with ample ammunition to bash on China.

As for my handle, you're correct. It is a tribute to the former premier of China, Zhu Rong Ji.

RasFarengi

08-04-2003, 05:52 PM

Even Eugene will attest that girls in Japan (or guys) have come up to him to admire his 'white skin' and have said something along the lines of 'Your skin is so nice, let's trade, hehe'. Yea it sounds absurd, right? But it's just like if someone or some girl from American society went up to another girl or guy and said 'I wish I had your metabolism,' or 'If only I was as thin as you....' Virtually every Chinese, Korean, or Japanese FOB girl I know wants to be as pale as possible,

This isn't exactly correct; I think Yuhei can attest to this. In Japan, women are the ones that worry about being pale. Guys for the most part don't, but they like pale girls. There is some sect of young kids, who all want to be pale and dress gothic, they look like vampires, and that movement is called Visual-K, but that is not mainstream.

Most Japanese guys don't worry about their skin color and many like to tan...many of the actors are much darker than the actresses, because many of them tan.

My wife said it is because a dark man is considered more masculine, a paleness is considered feminine.

I don't know about other Asian countries...I do know the pale skin thing is pretty universal, but I don't know if it applies to both men and women.

I asked my wife why Japanese don't apply this standard of tan skin being manly to white men...she said, "they are not Japanese..." that basically means she doesn't know. ;)

Xiao Ji:

Huanying..

Yeah your right about the Hei Shuo Dan, but I also heard that they are so deep in Japan now they have forced some Yakusa families into truces..

Yeah Ishihara is a wanna be Hitler...believe me that I have no love for that bastard...I'm sure he doesn't love my black ass either, so it's mutual, he is a pure xenophobic racist... I can't believe he got elected Governor of Tokyo again, he even shits on Japanese women. He mad a statement last year saying that Japanese women who are past child baring age are useless. :o No shit...

Anyway keep droppin' the knowledge.

mrazntre

08-04-2003, 08:15 PM

And most black women like it when their Asian guys have straight hair. It's funny how black girls get all shit fitted when the Asian guy has darker skin than they.

I asked my wife about this and she just got mad. I figure, the darker the berry the sweeter the juice, so she musn't taste all that sweet. She has this funny complex as do all black women in the US. Has anyone else noticed this?

RasFarengi

08-04-2003, 08:27 PM

I asked my wife about this and she just got mad. I figure, the darker the berry the sweeter the juice, so she musn't taste all that sweet. She has this funny complex as do all black women in the US. Has anyone else noticed this?

You're married to a sista? Cool...but...uh...

What is the world are you talking about? Why did you just diss your wife? :(

Let me guess...you have no wife, but you got offended by what I posted for whatever reason.

Ok...let me go into babysitter mode:

I lived in Japan for over a year and due to my wife being Japan (who I have been with for 5 years) I watch a lot of Japanese media (if I want to or not)...what I said is reality. THere are tanning salons all over Japan, and 9/10 it is men who go there, not women. I am not saying Japanese men want to be as dark as me (I'm sure that is what you are thinking), I am saying that they want to be tan(I'm a little beyond tan)...this look is very popular in Japan among the younger generation...I would say 35 and below, especially in the media, TV actors, many muscians. Even older Japanese men don't seem to care much about getting dark in the summer though.

The people I have seen more concerned with this are women...most women (other than Kogaru and the various types of garu).

That's reality, at least in the Kanto Region of Japan, and in the media.

Is your ego restored now? Jeeezzz....

Now that, that is over, lets please get back to the topic at hand...I apologize for the disruption...some people... :rolleyes:

Eros

08-04-2003, 11:04 PM

That paler skin seems to be a northeast asian thing. When you look at their older forms of theatre, a lot of times women would be made up paler. Not quite sure where this started.

Chinese seems odd about issues with other countries. There is the superiority complex that because their culture has influenced so much (plus, I'm sure it stems at least partially from how it was very centralistic in the past). However, aside from Japan (for the WWII things) and India (because of the trade competition), it doesn't seem like there is that much looking down upon other countries. Even the Japan and India thing seems to be getting les and less, especially with younger generations.

As for the pan-asian ideal, I don't think we'll ever get there but I think we'll will get closer to it. Look how much Europe changed over the last century.

Napoleon Chynamite

08-05-2003, 01:36 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 4 2003, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I asked my wife about this and she just got mad. I figure, the darker the berry the sweeter the juice, so she musn't taste all that sweet. She has this funny complex as do all black women in the US. Has anyone else noticed this?

You're married to a sista? Cool...but...uh...

What is the world are you talking about? Why did you just diss your wife? :(

Let me guess...you have no wife, but you got offended by what I posted for whatever reason.

Ok...let me go into babysitter mode:

I lived in Japan for over a year and due to my wife being Japan (who I have been with for 5 years) I watch a lot of Japanese media (if I want to or not)...what I said is reality. THere are tanning salons all over Japan, and 9/10 it is men who go there, not women. I am not saying Japanese men want to be as dark as me (I'm sure that is what you are thinking), I am saying that they want to be tan(I'm a little beyond tan)...this look is very popular in Japan among the younger generation...I would say 35 and below, especially in the media, TV actors, many muscians. Even older Japanese men don't seem to care much about getting dark in the summer though.

The people I have seen more concerned with this are women...most women (other than Kogaru and the various types of garu).

That's reality, at least in the Kanto Region of Japan, and in the media.

Is your ego restored now? Jeeezzz....

Now that, that is over, lets please get back to the topic at hand...I apologize for the disruption...some people... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Uh...dun think that Sy (MrAznTre) meant for his post to be hostile or expressing that his 'ego was damaged'. You're a good guy but once again you shouldn't be so quick to assume that people are attacking or going out of their way to be impolite. Relax...nobody is out to get you, nobody really cares enough.

teaz0r

08-07-2003, 08:53 PM

well, us thais look down at everybody that was colonised.

doop doop.

and we make fun of neighbouring countries, and call them
monkeys. and use their country's name as slang.

Ogumo

08-07-2003, 09:26 PM

I agree asians will probably always hate each other. If not hate strongly look down upon or distrust each other. But these rules shouldnt apply to asians living outside of asia.

azizgilani

08-08-2003, 06:06 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Aug 3 2003, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Pakistani V Indian - Most of this conflict was religious and it was created during the 1950s Partition. In 1950, Mohammed Jinnah spearheaded the creation of a Muslim state for Muslims in India despite Gandhi's protest. Hindu vs. Muslim fighting erupted and millions were killed as Pakistan broke off from India. [/b][/quote]
--Problems with the Description

The description is a bit off. Partition occured in 1947. The idea of the Muslim state was started by Allama Iqbal in the 1920's and 1930's and was first publically proclaimed during the Lahore resolution of 1940.

Muhammad Jinnah fought harder than almost anyone to keep the two groups together as one of the few Muslim members of the Indian Congress Party (the group that was largely responsible for Indian independence). He co-authored the Lucknow pact in 1917 that would have created a united India with both Muslims and Hindus. The deal was co-signed by Gandhi but was summarily rejected by the British rulers of India.

Its a mis-characterization to claim Pakistan "broke off" from India. Pakistan became a country 12 hours before India did. So technically speaking India broke off from Pakistan.

--Historical Hate

Muslim's first came to South Asia in 700 AD with the invasion of Sindh by Muhammad bin Qasim.

Muslim Hindu tensions have existed for about 1000 years beginning with Mahmud of Ghazni's invasion of Punjab in 1000. During the Delhi Sultanate Periods, followed by the Mughal Empire; Hindu/Muslim tension was marked by rebellions, economic boycotts, and all out wars.

The Maratha rebellion led by Shivaji in the 1600s is one of the clearest signs that Muslims and Hindu's werent getting along for huindreds of years before partition. Shivaji often invoked religious themes to motivate his Hindu troops to fight the Muslim Mughals. It was the invocation of the Shivaji example by Gandhi that led to Muslims bolting from the Congress movement in the 1930s. Muslims reasoned that if Hindus wanted to use Shivaji (a man who led rebellions against Muslims) as a role model for starting an independent state, that they would never be able to attain true freedom.

--Today's hate

Todays hate between Pakistan and India is based on two issues.

1. Kashmir

When the British ruled India they had two types of land. Direct ruled areas were ruled directly by the British. Princely states were ruled by local Kings who swore allegiance to the British. When the British pulled out in 1947 they allowed voters to pick which country they would join in the direct ruled areas. In the case of Princely States, the Kings got to decide.

In general, Muslim areas voted to join with Pakistan, and everyone else voted to stay with Pakistan. After the direct ruled areas were partitioned, the Princely states decided which countries to join. Kashmir and Hyderabad were examples of Princely States that had rulers who did not share the same faith as their populations. In Kashmir there was a Hindu King ruling a Muslim population, and in Hyderabad there was a Muslim King ruling an Indian population.

Both Hyderabad and Kashmir declared Independence rather than joining either country. Both countries immediately invaded Kashmir as it was on the border between their territories. India unilaterally invaded Hyderabad in the Police action of 1948-1949 which existed completely within Indian borders. Pakistan and India continue to fight over Kashmir, with the Indian side seeing over 100,000 rebellion related deaths since 1990. India claims that Pakistan is helping fuel the rebellion of Indian-Kashmiris against India. The Pakistani controlled Kashmir has no rebellion.

2. Indian Communal Violence

There are 800 million Hindu and 120 million Muslims living in India. Since the rise of the Hindu militant BJP party, Hindu/Muslim riots have been increasing in intensity. On December 6 1992 a gang of Hindu Militants tore down the 500 year old Babri Masjid, and then proceeded to kill 1700 Muslims. Building a Hindu temple on the spot where the mosque once stood was a campaign promise of the current Indian Prime Minister. Hindu's claim that the 500 year old mosque was built on the site of an ancient Hindu temple and warranted destruction. Muslim's point at the Babri Masjid incident as justification of the original split of India and Pakistan. Both sides hate eachother a lot more. If a temple is ever built on the Babri Masjid site, tension could grow higher.

Eros

08-08-2003, 11:43 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (azizgilani @ Aug 8 2003, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 2. Indian Communal Violence

There are 800 million Hindu and 120 million Muslims living in India. Since the rise of the Hindu militant BJP party, Hindu/Muslim riots have been increasing in intensity. On December 6 1992 a gang of Hindu Militants tore down the 500 year old Babri Masjid, and then proceeded to kill 1700 Muslims. Building a Hindu temple on the spot where the mosque once stood was a campaign promise of the current Indian Prime Minister. Hindu's claim that the 500 year old mosque was built on the site of an ancient Hindu temple and warranted destruction. Muslim's point at the Babri Masjid incident as justification of the original split of India and Pakistan. Both sides hate eachother a lot more. If a temple is ever built on the Babri Masjid site, tension could grow higher. [/b][/quote]
Aren't they doing archeological excavations at that sight to try and prove if there really was a Hindu temple or not there? I think I remember reading an article that supposedly the temple was to a very important Hindu god so that was the justification, at least stated justification, of tearing the mosque down. Of course, whether they find anything is hard to say 'cause if they find nothing Hindus will probably try to make them excavate more. And looking at the violence that broke out when the mosque was torn down, even if they prove/disprove that there was a mosque there that will end up doing very little.

By the way, excellent post!

azizgilani

08-10-2003, 09:49 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eros @ Aug 8 2003, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Aren't they doing archeological excavations at that sight to try and prove if there really was a Hindu temple or not there? [/b][/quote]
The excavations are currently ongoing. A good description of the current situation can be found at:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/sout...dhya/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/03/31/india.ayodhya/index.html)

The final report is due on August 22. But reports say the excavations found no temple, I pulled this off of Factiva:

ASI excavation fails to 'find' Ram temple.

By Akshaya Mukul.
264 words
7 August 2003
The Times of India
English
© 2003 The Times of India Group

NEW DELHI: After nearly five months of digging near the demolished Babri Masjid site in Ayodhya, an archaeologist involved with the project said no proof of a pre-existing temple has surfaced.

Speaking to The Times of India on condition of anonymity, the archaeologist stated categorically, "There is no evidence of a temple. In fact, as we go deeper, we are seeing more evidence of Islamic influence." Other than "enriching our team's knowledge about the material culture of Ayodhya", the exercise has not helped the purpose the Allahabad High Court sought to address when it ordered the dig, the archaeologist said.

azizgilani

08-10-2003, 09:55 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (azizgilani @ Aug 8 2003, 05:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> In general, Muslim areas voted to join with Pakistan, and everyone else voted to stay with Pakistan. [/b][/quote]
My bad...

In general, Muslim areas voted to join with Pakistan, and everyone else voted to stay with India

BigLew

08-10-2003, 02:18 PM

Man, I must be out of touch, or too "Americanized". Cause I didn't know any of this shit...Banana moment...

Eros

08-10-2003, 08:56 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BigLew @ Aug 10 2003, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Man, I must be out of touch, or too "Americanized". Cause I didn't know any of this shit...Banana moment... [/b][/quote]
That's why I try to read the news on BBC.com. It has much more world news than my local news (which basically has none).

achtungbaby

08-10-2003, 09:06 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mrazntre @ Aug 4 2003, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I asked my wife about this and she just got mad. [/b][/quote]
Have I met your wife yet?:)

azizgilani

08-10-2003, 09:11 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eros @ Aug 10 2003, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That's why I try to read the news on BBC.com [/b][/quote]
BBC is good.

I like the following:

General

factiva.com <-- pay service, but amazingly comprehensive and thorough
reuters.com
nytimes.com

South Asia

timesofindia.com
dawn.com

Analysis

slate.com
salon.com

Chinese Tourist

08-11-2003, 10:17 PM

slate is biased

Chris

08-11-2003, 10:45 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chinese Tourist @ Aug 11 2003, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> slate is biased [/b][/quote]
everything is bias.

azizgilani

08-11-2003, 11:57 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chinese Tourist @ Aug 11 2003, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> slate is biased [/b][/quote]
Slate is basically the npr of websites. Michael Kinsley runs the show, so of course there is a leftish bias.

For Neocon ideas you can always go the WorldNetDaily.coms of the world. But I wouldn't recomend it.

For complete insanity you can go to danielpipes.org