da new high school for GAYS [Archive]

Iconoclastic

08-02-2003, 07:24 PM

Anyone else heard about the PUBLIC high school that's gonna open in NYC this fall, that are only for homosexuals, bis, and trans? The Harvey Milk school in Greenwich Village I think it's gonna be called. It's public which means that citizens' tax dollars will finance it. The thing I'm not so comfortable with is the slippery slope an exclusive public HS of this nature creates. Mayor Bloomberg (I hate dis guy) said that the reason why this school was created was so that gay kids could escape harassment from non-gays kids and not have to worry about discrimination. I don't know about you, but it sounds awfully similar to segregation. If gays can get their own schools, what about Asians who constantly get harassed by non-Asians? And why can't white people get their own schools because they want their own learning environment separate from non-whites? I think it's a dangerous precedent to allow for segregated schools and the total lack of community between gay and straight students, which can legally spill over into other forms of segregation. Doesn't this effectively negate all the work that the Civil Rights Movement did?

himura-dono

08-02-2003, 07:55 PM

uh-huh....yeah, this way they'll escape harassment.....till someone firebombs the school or spray paints homo and shit all over it... good move mayor dipshit. maybe he should run for california gov too.

Hiroshi2

08-02-2003, 08:01 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (himura-dono @ Aug 2 2003, 09:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> uh-huh....yeah, this way they'll escape harassment.....till someone firebombs the school or spray paints homo and shit all over it... good move mayor dipshit. maybe he should run for california gov too. [/b][/quote]
Yeah good point. Using this logic, there should be seperate schools for every subgroup and clique: gays, jocks, nerds, blacks, whites, whatever.

What's worse is that is PUBLICLY FUNDED. WTF??? :angry:

etcj

08-02-2003, 09:14 PM

I think this school is a good idea, but certainly should not be a permanent thing. Are gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender students harassed and discriminated in school? Obvious/general answer is yes. So there is a purpose towards creating this school. However, I would hope that there is some progress made in society where GLBT students will no longer need schools like this. Although it is a great idea for the current intolerant, hostile era of conservatism, it would be best that these students eventually be reintegrated back into the regular schools.

What's wrong with using public funding for this school? Charter schools do the same thing and you know that most charter schools only serve specific groups or populations.

RasFarengi

08-02-2003, 09:45 PM

good!

Hiroshi2

08-02-2003, 10:00 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (etcj @ Aug 2 2003, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think this school is a good idea, but certainly should not be a permanent thing. Are gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender students harassed and discriminated in school? Obvious/general answer is yes. So there is a purpose towards creating this school. However, I would hope that there is some progress made in society where GLBT students will no longer need schools like this. Although it is a great idea for the current intolerant, hostile era of conservatism, it would be best that these students eventually be reintegrated back into the regular schools.

What's wrong with using public funding for this school? Charter schools do the same thing and you know that most charter schools only serve specific groups or populations. [/b][/quote]
I don't know, I just don't like this idea of segregating one segment of the population into "special" schools like this. Many gays keep comparing the gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement that blacks started in order to gain civil rights for minorities. Well, what if we decided to fund a public school that would only accept minority students?

As for public funding, it just seems like something like this that is still highly controversal should'nt be publicly funded. Actually, I have no idea what the reception was to this idea in NYC, can anybody tell me how many New Yorkers actually support this idea?

RasFarengi

08-02-2003, 10:20 PM

Many gays keep comparing the gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement that blacks started in order to gain civil rights for minorities. Well, what if we decided to fund a public school that would only accept minority students?

yeah...I hear that a lot and it is complete and total bullshit, and I find it offensive that they try to piggyback off respectable black people. :angry:

Being gay is in no way equal to being a certain race.

It is funny because the people leading this gay pride, gay rights movement are typically middle to upper-class white men and women. I don't think black and Latin (don't know about Asians) homosexuals are so adamant about this because they also deal with racism. White gays can't deal because they don't like the fact and don't know how to deal with the fact that being gay negates their "white skin privilege" in Amerikkka. So they jump up and down screaming for to be equal to others (white men and women)...

It's just like all the foreigners I met in Japan and China screaming about racism, 99% of them were white men (American, Brit, Canadian, Aussie, didn't matter), it is because they have never had to deal with being discriminated against and being a minority, they couldn't handle it.

Gay people don’t need their own school, if anything that is the worse thing they can do is isolate themselves from the real world. The real world of America is, most people are heterosexual and probably most people in America so somewhat homophobic or not ready to see serious homosexual behavior in the mainstream, that is just reality, that may change in the future, but until then it is not good to isolate kids, they need to learn how to deal, this will just make them more weak minded, more oversensitive, the real world is rough out there, sooner they learn to deal with it the better off they will be. Some of them won’t deal, that is reality too, not everyone is supposed to make it, no matter how we try to sugarcoat things.

YuheiCarreau

08-02-2003, 10:50 PM

How is this different, really, from colleges with large gay populations?

YuheiCarreau

08-02-2003, 10:58 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 3 2003, 01:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Many gays keep comparing the gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement that blacks started in order to gain civil rights for minorities. Well, what if we decided to fund a public school that would only accept minority students?

yeah...I hear that a lot and it is complete and total bullshit, and I find it offensive that they try to piggyback off respectable black people. :angry:

Being gay is in no way equal to being a certain race. [/b][/quote]
There is an explanation for this phenomenon of American gays closely identifying with the Black civil rights movement of the '60s. The Stonewall riot. In 1969 Judy Garland died, and a bunch of drag queens gathered at a gay bar to have a vigil... The police chose that night to raid the bar (which happened a lot back then), and the drag queens decided to fight back. That one event is what seperates the gay civil rights movement in America from those in England, Canada, and many other nations, where gay rights movements are (or at least they seem that way to me) not so distrusting of the establishment and seem less likely to regard police as oppressors.

kimpossible

08-03-2003, 09:38 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (himura-dono @ Aug 2 2003, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> uh-huh....yeah, this way they'll escape harassment.....till someone firebombs the school or spray paints homo and shit all over it... good move mayor dipshit. maybe he should run for california gov too. [/b][/quote]
That's what I think too. It presents a really large target. In theory I support the idea but the reality is they might as well paint a big bullseye on the school. I also don't like the idea of segregation, I'm for having more tolerant educational environment - not round up all the homos and put them in a 'special' school. I kind of wonder who sponsored this idea; people truly concerned over queer youth at risk of violence and harrassment, or conservative homophobes who want to separate and remove homosexual students from the main student body.

And there is nothing disrespectable about being gay. You're welcome to disagree but if you disagree there is no reason to insult people.

shy

08-03-2003, 09:49 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hello_Hapa @ Aug 3 2003, 08:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That's what I think too. It presents a really large target. In theory I support the idea but the reality is they might as well paint a big bullseye on the school. I also don't like the idea of segregation, I'm for having more tolerant educational environment - not round up all the homos and put them in a 'special' school. I kind of wonder who sponsored this idea; people truly concerned over queer youth at risk of violence and harrassment, or conservative homophobes who want to separate and remove homosexual students from the main student body.

And there is nothing disrespectable about being gay. You're welcome to disagree but if you disagree there is no reason to insult people. [/b][/quote]
i agree with you on this one... i'd like to support the theory behind this idea, but i'm afraid it's just not very fitting to reality.

the way i see it, they'll be trading one set of problems for another.

plus... this could backfire... those who don't go to this gay school but choose to make their stand at a regular public school, but be made to feel that they belong there. i can easily see some homophobic bully saying, "why don't you go to that gay school where you belong!"

the intent might be trying to help...

but in the end, this segregation can be harmfull to the same students that they are trying to protect.

Hiroshi2

08-03-2003, 11:58 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Aug 3 2003, 12:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> How is this different, really, from colleges with large gay populations? [/b][/quote]
Key word: large gay populations, not all gay populations.

Hiroshi2

08-03-2003, 11:59 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 3 2003, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Many gays keep comparing the gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement that blacks started in order to gain civil rights for minorities. Well, what if we decided to fund a public school that would only accept minority students?

yeah...I hear that a lot and it is complete and total bullshit, and I find it offensive that they try to piggyback off respectable black people. :angry:

Being gay is in no way equal to being a certain race.

It is funny because the people leading this gay pride, gay rights movement are typically middle to upper-class white men and women. I don't think black and Latin (don't know about Asians) homosexuals are so adamant about this because they also deal with racism. White gays can't deal because they don't like the fact and don't know how to deal with the fact that being gay negates their "white skin privilege" in Amerikkka. So they jump up and down screaming for to be equal to others (white men and women)...

It's just like all the foreigners I met in Japan and China screaming about racism, 99% of them were white men (American, Brit, Canadian, Aussie, didn't matter), it is because they have never had to deal with being discriminated against and being a minority, they couldn't handle it.

Gay people don’t need their own school, if anything that is the worse thing they can do is isolate themselves from the real world. The real world of America is, most people are heterosexual and probably most people in America so somewhat homophobic or not ready to see serious homosexual behavior in the mainstream, that is just reality, that may change in the future, but until then it is not good to isolate kids, they need to learn how to deal, this will just make them more weak minded, more oversensitive, the real world is rough out there, sooner they learn to deal with it the better off they will be. Some of them won’t deal, that is reality too, not everyone is supposed to make it, no matter how we try to sugarcoat things. [/b][/quote]
That's my point. Gays aren't the only "different" people in school. Why should they get their own public high school? Everybody else has to deal, so why can't they?

RasFarengi

08-03-2003, 12:23 PM

Hiroshi:

Next thing you know they will be asking for a "homeland" and no doubt it will be in the MIddle East or next to some other area that doesn't accept homosexuality, and we will have Gay Israel in permanent state of war. :rolleyes: Only problem is gay people can't reproduce, they would have to rely on immigration. :( Even cloning is not sure to produce a homosexual baby, since we are still not sure what causes it...

YuheiCarreau

08-03-2003, 12:32 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hiroshi2 @ Aug 3 2003, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Key word: large gay populations, not all gay populations. [/b][/quote]
What about all-girls' schools then?

shy

08-03-2003, 04:13 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Aug 3 2003, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What about all-girls' schools then? [/b][/quote]
and there are still all boys school, right?

Eros

08-03-2003, 04:37 PM

Umm... that sarcastic arguement about a "gay Israel" makes no sense since, if they were to be given a country, it would probably be from an area like San Fran or Sydney since the area Israel was formed from was chosen because it had a large Jewish population. Of course, San Fran isn't that far from Utah...

Anyway, I don't like the idea of a gay high school. Part of the whole point of public school in the US is socialization which is somewhat hindered when you don't face 90% of kids your own age in school. As for the all-male/female schools, I'm really not a big fan of those either.

As for the whole gay rights thing being compared to the black civil rights, it's more because many of the issues gays are facing today (marriage, benefits for life-time partners, etc.) are similar to the issues non-whites faced in the past. And I have seen many colored people being leaders in the gay community.

YuheiCarreau

08-03-2003, 06:48 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 3 2003, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and there are still all boys school, right? [/b][/quote]
Well, not really. As far as I know, besides Catholic schools there are no all boys' schools. All girls' schools exist because in a co-ed environment, males tend to dominate the classroom.

etcj

08-04-2003, 07:32 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 3 2003, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>yeah...I hear that a lot and it is complete and total bullshit, and I find it offensive that they try to piggyback off respectable black people.  :angry:

Being gay is in no way equal to being a certain race.

It is funny because the people leading this gay pride, gay rights movement are typically middle to upper-class white men and women. I don't think black and Latin (don't know about Asians) homosexuals are so adamant about this because they also deal with racism. White gays can't deal because they don't like the fact and don't know how to deal with the fact that being gay negates their "white skin privilege" in Amerikkka. So they jump up and down screaming for to be equal to others (white men and women)...[/b][/quote]
My advice to people who hold this type of sentiment is to check your own privileges. When you start to devalue the causes of others, you position yourself to be as oppressive and stifling as that which you are fighting/speaking against.

The mentality that gay issues are strictly a white issue is a problem that plagues Asians and Pacific Islanders in American politics. If API's do happen to get political, they are often equated with being lap dogs of white people. Furthermore, gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender API's have been trying to fight the negative cultural symbols and stereotypes that seemingly characterize them as inferior, submissive, and emasculated. There are many API organizations out there trying to advocate for the rights of all people, but they are often discounted as whiners and complainers.

It is obvious to all that RasFarengi is not sympathetic nor friendly to GLBT folks, API or not. However, it is not the place of any one person to denounce what has been done here. We can certainly make predictions and poke fun at the politics. I would perhaps ask folks to wait and see who this plays out. As for myself, I see this as a step forward and I don't question the reason for having this school. I would hope that the administration and implementation of it follows that ideal for equality and fair treatment of all GLBT young people, including youth of color.

Yeah, I know it's overly grandiose, but this school may be the beginning of something big...

RasFarengi

08-04-2003, 07:48 AM

There are many API organizations out there trying to advocate for the rights of all people, but they are often discounted as whiners and complainers.

Join the club.

It is obvious to all that RasFarengi is not sympathetic nor friendly to GLBT

Sympathetic...well no I am not.

Friendly...well yeah I have a gay cousin that I keep in contact with and had a gay Mexican American roommate one year in college. My roommate was pretty effeminate, but never brought his boyfriends or lovers around me, so it wasn't an issue, what he does in his private life (not around me) is his business. Cool guy, we actually had a lot of fun, but when he would dress up with his booty shorts and put makeup on to go out to the gay bar/club at night, that is where our mutual understanding ended.

If you are implying I am homophobic you are way off. I don't hate homosexuals, but I do not agree with the behavior and do not care to see it. I don't believe in gay marriage, or the gays should be allowed to adopt children. Basicallyif I suspect or you tell me you are gay, I could care less, just don't "gay" around me.

Yeah I know that is not PC and people don't like that, but I am being honest. I do not in any way equate acceptance of homosexuality with racial tolerance, they are not the same thing, not even close.

Hell I know gay racists for crying out loud, so gay people can be accepted all they want, and still call me a nigger. Those two things don't correlate well. I know white people who would be okay with their daughter marrying a Latino guy, they would seem very tolerant, and still call me a nigger and disown her if she brought a black man home. Tolerance is subjective. Just because we tolerate one thing doesn't mean we need to tolerate everything.

Unlike this board, most Americans are not ultraliberals, and I think that probably most Americans are not too far from my thinking...but it depends on where you live, but the fact BUsh can make statements about gay marriage and things like he does, and there is no major public outcry from mainstream America says a lot. If he said interracial marriage should not be legal, I am sure most people would stand up and say something...sometimes silence speaks volumes.

Chris

08-04-2003, 08:21 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 4 2003, 07:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> There are many API organizations out there trying to advocate for the rights of all people, but they are often discounted as whiners and complainers.

Join the club.

Sympathetic...well no I am not.

Friendly...well yeah I have a gay cousin that I keep in contact with and had a gay Mexican American roommate one year in college. My roommate was pretty effeminate, but never brought his boyfriends or lovers around me, so it wasn't an issue, what he does in his private life (not around me) is his business. Cool guy, we actually had a lot of fun, but when he would dress up with his booty shorts and put makeup on to go out to the gay bar/club at night, that is where our mutual understanding ended.

If you are implying I am homophobic you are way off. I don't hate homosexuals, but I do not agree with the behavior and do not care to see it. I don't believe in gay marriage, or the gays should be allowed to adopt children. Basicallyif I suspect or you tell me you are gay, I could care less, just don't "gay" around me.

Yeah I know that is not PC and people don't like that, but I am being honest. I do not in any way equate acceptance of homosexuality with racial tolerance, they are not the same thing, not even close.

Hell I know gay racists for crying out loud, so gay people can be accepted all they want, and still call me a nigger. Those two things don't correlate well. I know white people who would be okay with their daughter marrying a Latino guy, they would seem very tolerant, and still call me a nigger and disown her if she brought a black man home. Tolerance is subjective. Just because we tolerate one thing doesn't mean we need to tolerate everything. [/b][/quote]
Ras. I not going to even start with you on this issue. I am not going to bring up the race factor or anything to that effect. Look. There will always be various spectrums of people in this world. From conservatives to liberals to racist to people who treat everyone equally. If you got angst about being call this or call that. That your problem. You're the one who keep on griping over and over abotu certain issues. Frankly I am getting tired of it. As mod of this forum. This place is a forum for people who support GBLT and people like etcj and I to express our ideal freely. If you don't have nothing nice to say. Then don't say it at all.

Chris

08-04-2003, 08:25 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hiroshi2 @ Aug 3 2003, 11:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 3 2003, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Many gays keep comparing the gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement that blacks started in order to gain civil rights for minorities. Well, what if we decided to fund a public school that would only accept minority students?

yeah...I hear that a lot and it is complete and total bullshit, and I find it offensive that they try to piggyback off respectable black people. :angry:

Being gay is in no way equal to being a certain race.

It is funny because the people leading this gay pride, gay rights movement are typically middle to upper-class white men and women. I don't think black and Latin (don't know about Asians) homosexuals are so adamant about this because they also deal with racism. White gays can't deal because they don't like the fact and don't know how to deal with the fact that being gay negates their "white skin privilege" in Amerikkka. So they jump up and down screaming for to be equal to others (white men and women)...

It's just like all the foreigners I met in Japan and China screaming about racism, 99% of them were white men (American, Brit, Canadian, Aussie, didn't matter), it is because they have never had to deal with being discriminated against and being a minority, they couldn't handle it.

Gay people don’t need their own school, if anything that is the worse thing they can do is isolate themselves from the real world. The real world of America is, most people are heterosexual and probably most people in America so somewhat homophobic or not ready to see serious homosexual behavior in the mainstream, that is just reality, that may change in the future, but until then it is not good to isolate kids, they need to learn how to deal, this will just make them more weak minded, more oversensitive, the real world is rough out there, sooner they learn to deal with it the better off they will be. Some of them won’t deal, that is reality too, not everyone is supposed to make it, no matter how we try to sugarcoat things. [/b][/quote]
That's my point. Gays aren't the only "different" people in school. Why should they get their own public high school? Everybody else has to deal, so why can't they? [/b][/quote]
I do agree to a certain point that public funds might not be the ideal way to deal with it.

People are bringing up all boys and all girls schools as example. But the huge majority of school are privately funded. Same with catholic schools. I think in this case, if they were to make a private school for gays with private money then it should be okay.

RasFarengi

08-04-2003, 08:32 AM

Chris:

This place is a forum for people who support GBLT and people like etcj and I to express our ideal freely. If you don't have nothing nice to say. Then don't say it at all.

Angst? I used that as an example of how tolerance is subjective, I didn't say it happened to me, cause it hasn't but I have seen the situation in my life. (sigh)

What exactly do I keep bringing up? I was done with this issue, until etcj mentioned my name in his post. I did not respond offensively I only corrected what he said as I found it misleading to what I represent.

The entire race thing was initiated by Hiroshi, I responded to it with my opinion. He partially agreed. That is conversation.

I don't believe that I did anything that did not allow etcj to express himself, and I was not aware that this forum was a place of "support" for certain issues, I thought it was for discussion. :( I have said nothing on here that is hateful used any derogatory names, etc. If there is some rule posted somewhere please show me, and I apologize for overlooking it.

I will apologize for my "gay Israel"comment, but I am not the only one on this thread who disagreed with the school, I will explain this in PM, it is probably not what you are thinking, that comment was not really about homosexuals, as much as it is about the mentality of purposely segregating youself.

It is typical that those who claim to be the most tolerant, most liberal, are also the most prejudice when it comes to people who disagree with them.

I am pretty centrist in most of my political thought, some things are I go left of center on some right, but I am open to here everyone even if I don't agree with them as long as they are respectful.

I can see that doesn't follow around here, it seems very hypocritical, but hey...it is your rank to pull. (sigh).

Fine Chris if you don't want me to post in your "kingdom" I will not, you're emporer here...I'll just kowtow and excuse myself.

Chris

08-04-2003, 09:17 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 4 2003, 08:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

If I don't agree with them as long as they are respectful.

I can see that doesn't follow around here, it seems very hypocritical, but hey...it is your rank to pull. (sigh).

Fine Chris if you don't want me to post in your "kingdom" I will not, you're emporer here...I'll just kowtow and excuse myself. [/b][/quote]
You were doing so well Until you said the last couple of words.

I talk to you via PM. And you do via the open forum. I thought you are more mature than this Ras.

I just took this as an insult to me as a mod. I am asking the Admin to enuch you boy.

TyroneK(prettypretty)

08-04-2003, 09:23 AM

Homosexuality is a trait that transcends racial, gender, economic, and class lines. It involves a aspect of the human personality so intimate and personal that it seems exponentially harder to enlighten people about their ability to coexist with it. In many areas of this country, I can see how we'd have to go to such drastic measures such as separate schools to protect students who are different, so it might not be the worst idea in the world to have certain schools to counterbalance against this present discrimination as a measure of last resort.

It's not fair to limit a person's choices by saying that he or she can only go to one type of school, but I also don't think it's the fairest thing in the world to force someone to stay in a fearful, dangerous situation due to some halfass, distanced ideal of equality. If homophobia is so rampant that a student feels the need to go beyond his or her natural school district and increase the cost of education just to live in peace (or at least without injury), then I don't feel that anyone can fairly condemn that choice. And if we can provide for it with public money, so much the better. It's not like we're slapping pink triangles on these kids and forcing them into "gay school." These kids are seeking this place out because of obvious, concrete concerns for their safety and welfare. If problems of violence and discrimination are imposing and dangerous enough, if these kids can't defend themselves by legal means, and if the state can afford to protect them, why not?

And as far as this school presenting a bigger, single target, I think that a group of people are better able to protect themselves than a lone student or a small group of students. It's another example of the integration/separation trade-off. If you have a center that's filled with people who are willing, trained, and obligated to service a distinct group of people with specific issues and needs, then you'd probably be doing these students a much bigger favor than obligating already overextended normal school teachers and faculty (who might not even care) to try to protect them.

--> On a sidenote, did we have to use "da" in this thread? I don't have enough street cred to use that article.

SunWuKong

08-04-2003, 09:43 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I will apologize for my "gay Israel"comment, but I am not the only one on this thread who disagreed with the school, I will explain this in PM, it is probably not what you are thinking, that comment was not really about homosexuals, as much as it is about the mentality of purposely segregating youself.

It is typical that those who claim to be the most tolerant, most liberal, are also the most prejudice when it comes to people who disagree with them.[/b][/quote]

ras, people reacted negatively to your posts not because you disagree with the idea of this school. it was because you made some comments that were considered insulting. as you've said yourself: you are not the only one on this thread who disagreed with the school, so ask yourself why are you the only one whose posts people have reacted negatively towards? hint - the answer lies in the content of your posts and the way in which you disagreed with the idea of this school.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Friendly...well yeah I have a gay cousin that I keep in contact with and had a gay Mexican American roommate one year in college. My roommate was pretty effeminate, but never brought his boyfriends or lovers around me, so it wasn't an issue, what he does in his private life (not around me) is his business. Cool guy, we actually had a lot of fun, but when he would dress up with his booty shorts and put makeup on to go out to the gay bar/club at night, that is where our mutual understanding ended.

If you are implying I am homophobic you are way off. I don't hate homosexuals, but I do not agree with the behavior and do not care to see it. I don't believe in gay marriage, or the gays should be allowed to adopt children. Basicallyif I suspect or you tell me you are gay, I could care less, just don't "gay" around me.

Yeah I know that is not PC and people don't like that, but I am being honest. I do not in any way equate acceptance of homosexuality with racial tolerance, they are not the same thing, not even close.[/b][/quote]

what if i said this:
---------------------------------
i had a black roommate one year in college. my roommate listened to a lot of black music and ate a lot of fried chicken, but never brought his black friends or lovers around me, so it wasn't an issue, what he does in his private life (not around me) is his business. cool guy, we actually had a lot of fun, but when he would start speaking ebonics and start talking about slavery or how people are oppressed, that is where our mutual understanding ended.

if you are implying that i'm racist, you are way off. i don't hate blacks. but i do not agree with their behaviour and do not care to see it. i don't believe in blacks marrying non-blacks, or black people adopting children. basically if you're black, i could care less, just don't "black" around me.

yeah i know that is not PC and people don't like that, but i am being honest.
-------------------------------

yeah, think about that.

RasFarengi

08-04-2003, 09:49 AM

I told Chris I would not post in this section, so this is my last post.

SunWu:

I will PM you, I do have respect for this issue and don't want to go off on a tangent and derail the thread...I'm sure other posters would like to discuss it.

Once again I (and many people I know) do not equate race with homosexuality.

SunWuKong

08-04-2003, 09:52 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 4 2003, 12:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Once again I (and many people I know) do not equate race with homosexuality. [/b][/quote]
that is not even the point. i am trying to make you understand that what you've posted is insulting.

himura-dono

08-04-2003, 10:16 AM

ras, i'm not gonna start in on your post... instead i'll divert to how i think people who say "amerikkka" and "crackkker" are retarded and especially the ones who claim they're not racist, like you =)

AB, i understand removing the first part, but you might as well have left the "have a nice day " :P

etcj

08-04-2003, 04:51 PM

Dear Yellowworld folks,

I guess this controversy could have been handled a bit better, but I am glad that fellow posters are willing to be so respectful. Certainly Chris and I have talked about the difficulty in establishing this forum and making it a safe place to talk about GLBTQ issues responsibly and honestly. Clearly some of these attitudes expressed regarded the Harvey Milk School is felt offline in the real world as well. I think we may look at this online incident as the same stuff that occurs in the real-life dialogue that goes on, both in favor and against this piece of news.

In a meeting with service providers today, we had the same discussion about this controversy. Like RasFarengi, there was someone who felt negatively about this school. However, I, and others, have reiterated that the Harvey Milk School is simply a beginning step towards providing gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender high school students safe, nurturing environment to learn and thrive. Whether or not this will be a permanent setup is up for debate and will be decided through the successes and failures in the implementation of the school's programs and services.

If you would like to know more about the Harvey Milk School and the Hetrick-Martin Institute, please check out their official website at:
http://www.hmi.org/Youth/HarveyMilkSchool/default.aspx

For a message statement from HMI, please check out this link:
http://www.hmi.org/GeneralInfoAndDonations...24/default.aspx (http://www.hmi.org/GeneralInfoAndDonations/PressReleases/PressReleaseDetails/Params/pressReleaseFromTop/424/default.aspx)

Eros

08-04-2003, 10:08 PM

Hasn't something like this opened before, either as an experimental program or as a true long running school? For some reason, the phrase "Homo High" keeps popping up in my mind (though, that might be a name of a play at a local theatre). Anyway, a quick search on google came up with the film "School's Out: The Life of a Gay High School in Texas." And I thought I remember hearing something along the lines of a gay school back when I was in High School (so like 5+ years ago).

Anyway, if there was a gay school or experimental program that opened in the past, anyone know how it did?

Also, anyone know how the Harvey Milk School interacts with the district it is in (I assume it's in one since it's a public school). Is it treated much the way an alternative education school/program is run (mainly, the students socialize little to none other other schools in the district but the actual faculty interacts much with other faculty)?

etcj

08-04-2003, 10:49 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eros @ Aug 5 2003, 12:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Anyway, if there was a gay school or experimental program that opened in the past, anyone know how it did?

Also, anyone know how the Harvey Milk School interacts with the district it is in (I assume it's in one since it's a public school).  Is it treated much the way an alternative education school/program is run (mainly, the students socialize little to none other other schools in the district but the actual faculty interacts much with other faculty)?[/b][/quote]
I won't spoil it for folks who haven't checked out the Harvey Milk press release, but you can find answers to some of your questions on the Hetrick-Martin website. Just to clarify, it is a public school that is open to all students and will operate its academic systems like any public schools in New York City.

Interesting factoid: The first public school to establish support services for GLBT students is Fairfax High School, which is in LA. The school was featured as the locale for the PBS-KCET reality documentary called "Senior Year". Folks who receive KCET broadcasts will remember this documentary as the high school reality series that followed the flopped series "American High". Fairfax High's Project 10 was the first type of gay-straight alliance established back in the 80's (I think..).

Maybe folks from LA or Fairfax alumni can correct me if I am wrong.

YuheiCarreau

08-05-2003, 12:26 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eros @ Aug 5 2003, 01:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hasn't something like this opened before, either as an experimental program or as a true long running school? For some reason, the phrase "Homo High" keeps popping up in my mind (though, that might be a name of a play at a local theatre). Anyway, a quick search on google came up with the film "School's Out: The Life of a Gay High School in Texas." And I thought I remember hearing something along the lines of a gay school back when I was in High School (so like 5+ years ago). [/b][/quote]
"Homo High" sounds a lot better than "the Harvey Milk School". It's like they're trying to get the students beat up.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a private school or two out there that had a mostly homosexual student body. I still don't see why people think the idea of a school for gay kids is such a bad idea, although I can see why some people are disagreeing with the way this particular school is being run. I think a lot of the queer teens I knew in high school would've benefitted from being around more people like them; however I think making the the sexual orientation of its students the school's main focus or making it gay-only would be a mistake (even most Catholic schools have a fair amount of non-Catholic students). I have a few friends who go to Vassar and Wesleyan, which I think are gay-friendly schools that don't take the concept off the deep end (actually Wesleyan is pretty lefty).

Faithless

08-05-2003, 08:28 AM

Pro (sort of):
http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/...ml?record=20897 (http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=20897)

"Everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools and this lets them get an education without having to worry," the mayor said.
...
"This makes absolutely no sense," Long thundered. "It's wrong to use taxpayer money exclusively for the gay community. You can't segregate kids and put them in their own environment. This is a big mistake."

Bloomberg shrugged it off. "This administration - and previous administrations - have thought it was a good idea," he said, "and we'll continue with that."

Con:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascityst...ion/6427381.htm (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/news/opinion/6427381.htm)

"In a perfect world," says Debra Smock, school administrator, "there wouldn't be a need for (Harvey Milk School)..."

This isn't a perfect world, of course, and students of the school will confront that once they leave its protective walls. Prejudicial attitudes about homosexuals are widespread.

Prejudice is best confronted within traditional institutions. That's why all-gay public schools aren't the answer, any more than schools just for obese students or students from one race.

The school board should spend its money on educating all students about the destructiveness of prejudice and on supporting its victims.

Fact from the "pro" article:
This was somewhat unexpected as the Harvey Milk School has been operating with two classrooms for more than two decades. The $3.2 million expansion, which will allow the school to admit some 100 students on its waiting list, was defended Monday by New York CIty Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

I don't see the harm. As a parent, I want my kids to go to a safe school where they can feel free to express themselves as well as get the full benefits of a good education.

Yeah, yeah - educate the kids about prejudice. But until you've got that completely worked-out, offer the alternative.

etcj

08-05-2003, 10:23 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 5 2003, 10:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't see the harm. As a parent, I want my kids to go to a safe school where they can feel free to express themselves as well as get the full benefits of a good education.

Yeah, yeah - educate the kids about prejudice. But until you've got that completely worked-out, offer the alternative. [/b][/quote]
I think that sentiment is exactly what I feel people should take. Since the school has not really implemented any of the new intiatives, we can't simply discount the possible benefits that GLBTQ students can receive at the Harvey Milk School. As ChottoMatte said, this school should be seen as an "alternative" to schools that less accepting and less safe for these students.

YuheiCarreau

08-05-2003, 10:58 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (etcj @ Aug 5 2003, 01:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 5 2003, 10:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't see the harm. As a parent, I want my kids to go to a safe school where they can feel free to express themselves as well as get the full benefits of a good education.

Yeah, yeah - educate the kids about prejudice. But until you've got that completely worked-out, offer the alternative. [/b][/quote]
I think that sentiment is exactly what I feel people should take. Since the school has not really implemented any of the new intiatives, we can't simply discount the possible benefits that GLBTQ students can receive at the Harvey Milk School. As ChottoMatte said, this school should be seen as an "alternative" to schools that less accepting and less safe for these students. [/b][/quote]
It's also only one school. I think the negative reaction most people are having to it comes from the assumption that ALL gays have to go there, or that it will be used to segregate the gay students. As long as they're not barred from going to other schools, and the school system is not forcing gay students to go, I don't think it's a terrible idea.

shy

08-05-2003, 01:23 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Aug 3 2003, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, not really. As far as I know, besides Catholic schools there are no all boys' schools. All girls' schools exist because in a co-ed environment, males tend to dominate the classroom. [/b][/quote]
okay... i wasn't sure if there was any or not in the US. thanks.

frcegrl

08-05-2003, 02:32 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 2 2003, 09:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Being gay is in no way equal to being a certain race.

[/b][/quote]
i agree that being gay is "in no way" equal to being a minority. do u think it's better or worse? easier?

i think this school is good simply for the fact that its the first of its kind. but should queers be separated from the rest of society? no. segregating ourselves from mainstream will not solve homophobia. staying w/in society and making the rest deal with the fact that we are here, will help. putting it simply but that's how it goes. hiding me won't allow anyone to get to know me.

Chris

08-05-2003, 04:59 PM

We got a concurrent thread going at at RBJ. (http://forums.ricebowljournals.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=5142&st=0&#entry84379)

If you're interest in some views on it.

kitty

08-06-2003, 12:55 PM

Potentially stupid question but... could parents of a straight teen send their kid to this school if the kid is fully aware of his/her need to maintain a safe space for the GLBT kids? i.e., is admission restricted to queer youth?

(couldn't find an explicit answer to this question on the website)

Faithless

08-06-2003, 01:52 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chris @ Aug 5 2003, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> We got a concurrent thread going at at RBJ. (http://forums.ricebowljournals.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=5142&st=0&#entry84379)

If you're interest in some views on it. [/b][/quote]
Now, there's an avatar!

<img src='http://www.ricebowljournals.com/forums/uploads/av-8.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

using public funds for a specific group and to segregate them from the main community is the problem. WHy not use those funds to increase awareness within the current public school system. Insteado of hiring teachers and building schools and getting materials for this one school. Use all of that money to educate the rest. Becuase in the end, the homophobes are still going to be homophobes becuase they were not taught to think and act like a human being.

Why? Because a gay kid could die of old age befure that would happen successfully.

*** *** ***

So that's where Shy hangs out.

YuheiCarreau

08-06-2003, 04:15 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kittygirl @ Aug 6 2003, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Potentially stupid question but... could parents of a straight teen send their kid to this school if the kid is fully aware of his/her need to maintain a safe space for the GLBT kids? i.e., is admission restricted to queer youth?

(couldn't find an explicit answer to this question on the website) [/b][/quote]
I suppose they'd make allowances for siblings, 'cause splitting kids up can be hell in terms of transportation. And you'd undoubtedly get some hippy liberals trying to send their kids there for the "open atmosphere" or whatever.

etcj

08-06-2003, 06:38 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kittygirl @ Aug 6 2003, 02:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Potentially stupid question but... could parents of a straight teen send their kid to this school if the kid is fully aware of his/her need to maintain a safe space for the GLBT kids? i.e., is admission restricted to queer youth?

(couldn't find an explicit answer to this question on the website) [/b][/quote]
Heterosexually-identifying students can still enroll at the Harvey Milk School. Even though the school is partnered with the Hetrick-Martin Institute, it is still considered to be a public high school in the New York City school system. Parents may choose to enroll their kids at the school for other reasons, such as distance from home or programs and facilities.

kitty

08-06-2003, 10:28 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (etcj @ Aug 7 2003, 01:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kittygirl @ Aug 6 2003, 02:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Potentially stupid question but... could parents of a straight teen send their kid to this school if the kid is fully aware of his/her need to maintain a safe space for the GLBT kids? i.e., is admission restricted to queer youth?

(couldn't find an explicit answer to this question on the website) [/b][/quote]
Heterosexually-identifying students can still enroll at the Harvey Milk School. Even though the school is partnered with the Hetrick-Martin Institute, it is still considered to be a public high school in the New York City school system. Parents may choose to enroll their kids at the school for other reasons, such as distance from home or programs and facilities. [/b][/quote]
Hmm -- that just sold me. I'm totally for the idea. I was only concerned about falling into a trap of complete segregation that didn't really seem fair to taxpayers.

kasia

08-06-2003, 10:53 PM

according to sarah and vinnie (from alice - bay area radio station), they should just segregate the assholes and non-assholes, not gays and straights. makes sense, no?

shy

08-08-2003, 08:01 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (etcj @ Aug 6 2003, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kittygirl @ Aug 6 2003, 02:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Potentially stupid question but... could parents of a straight teen send their kid to this school if the kid is fully aware of his/her need to maintain a safe space for the GLBT kids? i.e., is admission restricted to queer youth?

(couldn't find an explicit answer to this question on the website) [/b][/quote]
Heterosexually-identifying students can still enroll at the Harvey Milk School. Even though the school is partnered with the Hetrick-Martin Institute, it is still considered to be a public high school in the New York City school system. Parents may choose to enroll their kids at the school for other reasons, such as distance from home or programs and facilities. [/b][/quote]
while i think that's great, i am just wondering why they are promoting it then as a school for LBGT's?

i mean, wouldn't it have been wiser to announce the new school, stating that they are focusing on trying to create an environment that will stamp out homophobia and myths and all that?

wouldn't it have been better to announce a new school, stressing their focus on a inner school program that will give haven for LBGT's and any other students with related questions?

SunWuKong

08-08-2003, 08:04 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 7 2003, 01:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> according to sarah and vinnie (from alice - bay area radio station), they should just segregate the assholes and non-assholes, not gays and straights. makes sense, no? [/b][/quote]
i can imagine it now...

non-asshole: "hey... you kids are from the asshole school, aren't you?"

asshole: *wacks non-asshole*

Faithless

08-08-2003, 10:39 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kasia @ Aug 6 2003, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> according to sarah and vinnie (from alice - bay area radio station), they should just segregate the assholes and non-assholes, not gays and straights. makes sense, no? [/b][/quote]
How do they do that? Do they personanility profiles on kids in school?

lethal

08-08-2003, 10:45 PM

Faithless

08-08-2003, 11:05 PM

How about this? A school for Amerasians called Amerasian School.
http://www.shortshorts.org/2001/english/re...a_20010708.html (http://www.shortshorts.org/2001/english/report/okinawa_20010708.html)

Currently, 48 children from the ages of 4 to 14 attend the Amerasian School.
...
We also asked her to tell us about the Amerasian School. She explained, "Everyone is bright and treats each other equally at the Amerasian School. If I don't understand something, everybody helps me as a friend or a teacher. We also encourage each other so we don't have the problem of bullying. At my school, everybody gets along like a family."

That's cool. B)

Uncle Tat

08-09-2003, 09:47 PM

Sorry but I am 100% against this new gay high school. Yes I'm against gay marriages and homosexual couples adopting kids.

Reasons listed below. Feel free to flame:

1) Kids there are going to get teased and beat. Let's face it, that's what teenagers do to each other. The fact that FAG, COCK SUCKER, DICK MUNCHER, etc etc etc is used by males to insult each other does not bode well for a school full of homosexuals.

2) It's bad enough that they're gay and probably ostracized by a large % of the public, do they really WANT to be KNOWN that they're homosexual so the insults and beatings are more frequent.

3) Negative experiences growing up will scar a kid for life. Being blatantly different and AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE is bad enough but add in beatings, name calling, and you're gonna get ONE ABUSED SICK MOFO. The kids that go there will probably end up being pro-homosexual rights, hippie, save the trees, recycle your sandals wankers.

At least the school is in Greenich Village so a lot of people around there are either homosexual themselves or fairly open.

Oh yes and this sort of stuff was outlawed I believe during the black Civil Rights movement. Separate but Equal is NOT JUST.

Why are they so special that they deserve their own school?

Tra la la!
Look at me!
I'm gay!
I want my own school!
Tra la la!
To the Hamptons!
*frolick*
*dance around roses*

Besides this sort of stuff was ATTEMPTED BEFORE...in television. Ever heard of the SMURFS? Why do you think that show ended and was inferior to Transformers?

Because NOBODY wanted to watch a bunch of men frolick around and being gay (happy not homosexual).

Sorry but tax dollars going to fund a school based solely on someone's sexual orientation? NOOOOOOOOOOOO thank you.

ChinaLama

08-09-2003, 09:56 PM

yeah and being a repressed homosexual leads to a person who uses "white cocksucker" in every 2 sentences. so i dunno.... openly gay pro-environment person OR repressed gay "i hate white cocksuckers"...

Ok, on a more serious note:

I think it's been mentioned above, the school is not only for gay people. straight people can go there, too. I don't really see anything blatantly wrong w/ the idea of this school, but i'm wondering 2 things:

1. is there any similar precedent with other minority groups? (other than women-- i don't think there's any public all girls' school. my old hs used to be a girls' school but parents sued to make it co-ed back in the 80s).

2. are gay people really very oppressed in most high schools? i'm sorry i'm very ignorant on this issue because i went to a very liberal school. people still taunted each other with "fag" or whatever but no one was openly hostile to openly homosexual classmates as far as I knew.

Uncle Tat

08-09-2003, 09:56 PM

Also they clearly need to improve the public education system since people still can't properly spell "THE."

I think I learned that in the first grade.

Ken walked in THE park.

Mary walked in THE park.

Ken and Mary played with THE ball.

THE ball fell in THE pond.

See a pattern?

*In reference to the title of the thread: "da new high school for GAYS"

Uncle Tat

08-09-2003, 09:59 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 9 2003, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yeah and being a repressed homosexual leads to a person who uses "white cocksucker" in every 2 sentences. so i dunno.... openly gay pro-environment person OR repressed gay "i hate white cocksuckers"...
[/b][/quote]
Guess I got owned by ChinaLama huh? :)

Faithless

08-09-2003, 10:11 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 9 2003, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 1) Kids there are going to get teased and beat. Let's face it, that's what teenagers do to each other. The fact that FAG, COCK SUCKER, DICK MUNCHER, etc etc etc is used by males to insult each other does not bode well for a school full of homosexuals. [/b][/quote]
Who is going to do that inside a predominately gay high school? There may be taunts outside of the school, but I doubt. The taunts will be overshouted by supporters.

Faithless

08-09-2003, 10:14 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 9 2003, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 2) It's bad enough that they're gay and probably ostracized by a large % of the public, do they really WANT to be KNOWN that they're homosexual so the insults and beatings are more frequent. [/b][/quote]
Maybe the reason some gay kids want to go to this school is because they are known to be gay, have experienced the hatred, and are looking for a safer environment in which to learn and get by their teen years.

Chris

08-10-2003, 05:59 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 10 2003, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 9 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Sorry but I am 100% against this new gay high school. Yes I'm against gay marriages and homosexual couples adopting kids.

Reasons listed below. Feel free to flame:

1) Kids there are going to get teased and beat. Let's face it, that's what teenagers do to each other. The fact that FAG, COCK SUCKER, DICK MUNCHER, etc etc etc is used by males to insult each other does not bode well for a school full of homosexuals.

2) It's bad enough that they're gay and probably ostracized by a large % of the public, do they really WANT to be KNOWN that they're homosexual so the insults and beatings are more frequent.

3) Negative experiences growing up will scar a kid for life. Being blatantly different and AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE is bad enough but add in beatings, name calling, and you're gonna get ONE ABUSED SICK MOFO. The kids that go there will probably end up being pro-homosexual rights, hippie, save the trees, recycle your sandals wankers.

At least the school is in Greenich Village so a lot of people around there are either homosexual themselves or fairly open.

Oh yes and this sort of stuff was outlawed I believe during the black Civil Rights movement. Separate but Equal is NOT JUST.

Why are they so special that they deserve their own school?

Tra la la!
Look at me!
I'm gay!
I want my own school!
Tra la la!
To the Hamptons!
*frolick*
*dance around roses*

Besides this sort of stuff was ATTEMPTED BEFORE...in television. Ever heard of the SMURFS? Why do you think that show ended and was inferior to Transformers?

Because NOBODY wanted to watch a bunch of men frolick around and being gay (happy not homosexual).

Sorry but tax dollars going to fund a school based solely on someone's sexual orientation? NOOOOOOOOOOOO thank you. [/b][/quote]
Ras said something here but he was banned. Shame on him!!! : [/b][/quote]
Ras you were banned form this forum. your post will now be deleted by me.

kimpossible

08-10-2003, 06:06 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 9 2003, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 9 2003, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yeah and being a repressed homosexual leads to a person who uses "white cocksucker" in every 2 sentences. so i dunno.... openly gay pro-environment person OR repressed gay "i hate white cocksuckers"...
[/b][/quote]
Guess I got owned by ChinaLama huh? :) [/b][/quote]
Looks like it. But you get some good ones in every once in a while Tat.

Fireblade

08-10-2003, 07:13 PM

As mentioned before in prior posts, I think this idea is just BAD in bold capitals. For one, you can expect strict conservative religious groups to come around the school to go on and on about how they will be damned and go to hell. The parents will be pressured to take their children to other places. Another thing is that various groups will target that school, and you know a petition will go about to close the school down. However far we have progressed for gay rights in this country, we are still a strictly conservative country, and the people at the head of this government reflects that.

on a side note, I think the assholes/non-assholes idea is great! :lol:

Uncle Tat

08-10-2003, 09:29 PM

Ok in all seriousness though, I think the school is a bad idea for one single reason:

If homosexuals are trying to promote acceptance, they shouldn't be singling themselves out and isolating themselves.

Singling yourself out is the WORST thing you can do. You'll never gain acceptance that way because people will see you as an "outsider."

kitty

08-11-2003, 12:29 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 11 2003, 04:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ok in all seriousness though, I think the school is a bad idea for one single reason:

If homosexuals are trying to promote acceptance, they shouldn't be singling themselves out and isolating themselves.

Singling yourself out is the WORST thing you can do.  You'll never gain acceptance that way because people will see you as an "outsider." [/b][/quote]
Kinda like how ethnic minorities should shut up and hope racism will just go away?

Chris

08-11-2003, 07:22 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 10 2003, 09:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ok in all seriousness though, I think the school is a bad idea for one single reason:

If homosexuals are trying to promote acceptance, they shouldn't be singling themselves out and isolating themselves.

Singling yourself out is the WORST thing you can do. You'll never gain acceptance that way because people will see you as an "outsider." [/b][/quote]
UT. I have never wanted to single myself out for who I am. I just want people to treat me as an equal. I like you do not want this school either too.

UT also I did not start this thread and none of the GBLT members started the thread either. ;) Check who the started first before you posted that One comment about the header title ???

Faithless

08-11-2003, 11:16 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 10 2003, 08:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ok in all seriousness though, I think the school is a bad idea for one single reason:

If homosexuals are trying to promote acceptance, they shouldn't be singling themselves out and isolating themselves.

Singling yourself out is the WORST thing you can do. You'll never gain acceptance that way because people will see you as an "outsider." [/b][/quote]
Well, it seems that when gay and lesbian teens try to start clubs in high schools now, they are met with resistance. (Old article:)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_0010.htm

A club, the Gay/Straight Alliance, was formed on NOV-13 at the Dimond High School for gays, lesbians and their straight supporters. Controversy immediately broke out at the school. A varsity hockey player was caught tearing down a club poster and had his playing rights suspended for one game. Controversy spread to the community, largely by an "outpouring of vitriol" by local radio talk show hosts. Finally, it spread to the next school board meeting. Member Kathi Gillespie asked the board to review the types of clubs that are allowed in the high schools. [She was apparently unaware that Federal legislation, the Equal Access Act, prohibits schools from banning clubs because of their religious, political or philosophical views. Schools can either have no clubs at all, or any clubs that the students want.] Another board member, David Werdal, wondered if the club could be banned under a school board policy that prohibits clubs that distract students from learning.

Uncle Tat

08-11-2003, 11:22 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chris @ Aug 11 2003, 09:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 10 2003, 09:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ok in all seriousness though, I think the school is a bad idea for one single reason:

If homosexuals are trying to promote acceptance, they shouldn't be singling themselves out and isolating themselves.

Singling yourself out is the WORST thing you can do.  You'll never gain acceptance that way because people will see you as an "outsider." [/b][/quote]
UT. I have never wanted to single myself out for who I am. I just want people to treat me as an equal. I like you do not want this school either too.

UT also I did not start this thread and none of the GBLT members started the thread either. ;) Check who the started first before you posted that One comment about the header title ??? [/b][/quote]
That's the point I was trying to make. If homosexuals are rational, they would NOT want to be singled out. They'd want to be treated as equals. I'm not saying homosexuals are not rational, but this particular group that started this school ARE irrational...because they want to be singled out.

Yes the flame at the title was just a general flame. I wasn't gay-bashing. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with the ability to spell "the" properly.

Uncle Tat

08-11-2003, 11:26 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kittygirl @ Aug 11 2003, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 11 2003, 04:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ok in all seriousness though, I think the school is a bad idea for one single reason:

If homosexuals are trying to promote acceptance, they shouldn't be singling themselves out and isolating themselves.

Singling yourself out is the WORST thing you can do. You'll never gain acceptance that way because people will see you as an "outsider." [/b][/quote]
Kinda like how ethnic minorities should shut up and hope racism will just go away? [/b][/quote]
I don't see how ethnic minorities that whine about inequality but then behind the scenes are being white cocksuckers, conforming to the American culture, etc... is helping any.

That wasn't a direct attack at you kittygirl since I don't know anything about you, but an attack about "AA enpowerment groups" in general. A lot of them seem to preach all this AA enpowerment BS...meanwhile they can't speak their own language, don't know ANYTHING about the struggles of MOST ASIAN AMERICANS...those being the poor/uneducated.

That's why all these AA groups will fail. Most of them consist of people who ALREADY SUCEEDED in life, have white colleagues, and don't know !@##$ about their own culture. And somehow they try to recruit AAs who still know that they're ASIAN.

I mean think about it. You're a recent immigrant and/or been here for a while. You're listening to some AA rally speaker speaking in ENGLISH not CHINESE/KOREAN/VIETNAMESE/ETC... The first reaction you'll have is:

"Why the heck is he speaking in English and not his own language and/or language of target audience?"

Second reaction:

"Does this guy REALLY have MY best interests in mind if he can't even speak our language?"

YuheiCarreau

08-11-2003, 01:06 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 11 2003, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kittygirl @ Aug 11 2003, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 11 2003, 04:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ok in all seriousness though, I think the school is a bad idea for one single reason:

If homosexuals are trying to promote acceptance, they shouldn't be singling themselves out and isolating themselves.

Singling yourself out is the WORST thing you can do. You'll never gain acceptance that way because people will see you as an "outsider." [/b][/quote]
Kinda like how ethnic minorities should shut up and hope racism will just go away? [/b][/quote]
I don't see how ethnic minorities that whine about inequality but then behind the scenes are being white cocksuckers, conforming to the American culture, etc... is helping any.

That wasn't a direct attack at you kittygirl since I don't know anything about you, but an attack about "AA enpowerment groups" in general. A lot of them seem to preach all this AA enpowerment BS...meanwhile they can't speak their own language, don't know ANYTHING about the struggles of MOST ASIAN AMERICANS...those being the poor/uneducated.

That's why all these AA groups will fail. Most of them consist of people who ALREADY SUCEEDED in life, have white colleagues, and don't know !@##$ about their own culture. And somehow they try to recruit AAs who still know that they're ASIAN.

I mean think about it. You're a recent immigrant and/or been here for a while. You're listening to some AA rally speaker speaking in ENGLISH not CHINESE/KOREAN/VIETNAMESE/ETC... The first reaction you'll have is:

"Why the heck is he speaking in English and not his own language and/or language of target audience?"

Second reaction:

"Does this guy REALLY have MY best interests in mind if he can't even speak our language?" [/b][/quote]
So, what you're saying is, for this school to truly be able to empower gay students, they'll have to speak to them in a special gay language. Gaynese? Gayalog? Gay? :lol:

frcegrl

08-11-2003, 01:32 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 9 2003, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Sorry but I am 100% against this new gay high school. Yes I'm against gay marriages and homosexual couples adopting kids.

Reasons listed below. Feel free to flame:

1) Kids there are going to get teased and beat. Let's face it, that's what teenagers do to each other. The fact that FAG, COCK SUCKER, DICK MUNCHER, etc etc etc is used by males to insult each other does not bode well for a school full of homosexuals.

2) It's bad enough that they're gay and probably ostracized by a large % of the public, do they really WANT to be KNOWN that they're homosexual so the insults and beatings are more frequent.

3) Negative experiences growing up will scar a kid for life. Being blatantly different and AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE is bad enough but add in beatings, name calling, and you're gonna get ONE ABUSED SICK MOFO. The kids that go there will probably end up being pro-homosexual rights, hippie, save the trees, recycle your sandals wankers.

At least the school is in Greenich Village so a lot of people around there are either homosexual themselves or fairly open.

Oh yes and this sort of stuff was outlawed I believe during the black Civil Rights movement. Separate but Equal is NOT JUST.

Why are they so special that they deserve their own school?

Tra la la!
Look at me!
I'm gay!
I want my own school!
Tra la la!
To the Hamptons!
*frolick*
*dance around roses*

Besides this sort of stuff was ATTEMPTED BEFORE...in television. Ever heard of the SMURFS? Why do you think that show ended and was inferior to Transformers?

Because NOBODY wanted to watch a bunch of men frolick around and being gay (happy not homosexual).

Sorry but tax dollars going to fund a school based solely on someone's sexual orientation? NOOOOOOOOOOOO thank you. [/b][/quote]
that's a lot to say for someone who ISN'T gay and will probably never come close to understanding what being gay means. the reasons you provide come from a very "straight" mentality and i don't think you have the right to assume (and speak) for the gay community. you speak as if gays DON'T know the risk of running such a school...or worse, you assume we choose to be gay and face all the hate. we're not a bunch of liberal idiots throwing our lifestyles around to piss ppl off or to get attention. so basically, don't speak for me or my community.

i disagree with the school because i don't believe we should lock ourselves out of society. instead we need to inform those who i believe are ignorant. as a teenager, would i have chosen to attend this school? probably not. i enjoyed being w/ my straight friends and doing whatever i wanted w/o labeling any of it.

it has always amazed me that minorities can reject each other when we have all faced the discrimination/hate that society spits at us. is "fag" more acceptable than "nigger"?

etcj

08-11-2003, 03:12 PM

I see that there has still been a great number of negative comments being posted about the Harvey Milk School. A majority of that negativity is based on people's homphobia. There seems to be a mixed sentiment about two things: a school that specifically serves gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender students; public funding used to create such a school.

About the public funding
The money provided by city of New York was only used for rehabilitative costs of restoring and expanding the facilities in the Harvey Milk School. Regardless of who is going to be the school, the city has decided to do renovations to update the building. This does not mean that the city has given any direct funding for services and programs for GLBT students. Therefore, do not equate the public funding as supporting GBLT students.

About the Milk School creating special programs and services for GLBT students
This type of partnership between a public school and a non-profit organization (in this case, the Hetrick-Martin Institute) is no different from partnerships that many other public schools have done in the past. For example, you will find that many schools also have community centers built into them. In addition, programs and service specially designed for specific students are very common. Bilingual and ESL programs are a good example of this. After-school tutoring program, aka homework help programs, have also been customized for different types of students from different backgrounds, such as non-English proficient students, or low-income students.

A clear distinction has been made by several YW members that they do not like the Milk school's new initiative, because they do not like gay people. Thus, homophobia and intolerance is the basis for such negativity. This speaks to why a school needs to create such partnerships: GLBT students are not safe in their environments, be it school, home, or at work. If homophobic people are able to accept GBLT young people as who they are, then the need for such partnerships would be moot.

An oversimplification to why these schools will not be needed:
- Stop being a homophobe and accept GLBT young people.
- Create a safe, nurturing, and supportive environment so places like the Milk School will become obsolete.
__________________________________________________ ______________
If you would like to know more about the Harvey Milk School and the Hetrick-Martin Institute, please check out their official website at:
http://www.hmi.org/Youth/HarveyMilkSchool/default.aspx

For a message statement from HMI, please check out this link:
http://www.hmi.org/GeneralInfoAndDonations...24/default.aspx (http://www.hmi.org/GeneralInfoAndDonations/PressReleases/PressReleaseDetails/Params/pressReleaseFromTop/424/default.aspx)

etcj

08-11-2003, 03:27 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle Tat @ Aug 9 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>1) Kids there are going to get teased and beat.  Let's face it, that's what teenagers do to each other.  The fact that FAG, COCK SUCKER, DICK MUNCHER, etc etc etc is used by males to insult each other does not bode well for a school full of homosexuals.

2) It's bad enough that they're gay and probably ostracized by a large % of the public, do they really WANT to be KNOWN that they're homosexual so the insults and beatings are more frequent.

3) Negative experiences growing up will scar a kid for life.  Being blatantly different and AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE is bad enough but add in beatings, name calling, and you're gonna get ONE ABUSED SICK MOFO.  The kids that go there will probably end up being pro-homosexual rights, hippie, save the trees, recycle your sandals wankers.[/b][/quote]
I've already responded to some of the things in UT's posts already. However, the reasons posted show how homophobia and violence against GLBT folks is the real problem. Rather than taking responsibility for these prejudices, the blame is shifted on to gay people. Certain people within the heterosexual community needs to understand that stopping the violence and discrimination will utlimately result in not needing these "special" schools.

Equating this issue with the Black Civil Rights Movement seems to be a reflex for both supporters and opponents to this issue. Although we can widely agree that blatant racism has been removed from the constitutional infrastructure of our government...racism and prejudice still exists today. That, in my mind, is perhaps why sites like Yellowworld has been created - a recognition of the lack of total integration of culture and identity.

Let us not be naive too, about how society operates. There is never absolute equality nor is there total acceptance. Racism fits into this idea very well. However, if we look at homophobia, we will realize that persecution and discrimination still occurs on many levels, both constitutionally and through the government. The government and many in US society still do not see non-heterosexual as equals - that fact we cannot avoid, no whatever how conservative or liberal we characterize ourselves.

A funny thought that I had while reading UT would be Reason #3. If we produce students who are pro-civil rights, pro-environment, etc., would that be so bad? Of course, if you were some bigotted, homophobic oil tycoon, I guess that would be a different situation. :D

Uncle Tat

08-11-2003, 07:13 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (etcj @ Aug 11 2003, 05:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I see that there has still been a great number of negative comments being posted about the Harvey Milk School. A majority of that negativity is based on people's homphobia. There seems to be a mixed sentiment about two things: a school that specifically serves gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender students; public funding used to create such a school.

About the public funding
The money provided by city of New York was only used for rehabilitative costs of restoring and expanding the facilities in the Harvey Milk School. Regardless of who is going to be the school, the city has decided to do renovations to update the building. This does not mean that the city has given any direct funding for services and programs for GLBT students. Therefore, do not equate the public funding as supporting GBLT students.

About the Milk School creating special programs and services for GLBT students
This type of partnership between a public school and a non-profit organization (in this case, the Hetrick-Martin Institute) is no different from partnerships that many other public schools have done in the past. For example, you will find that many schools also have community centers built into them. In addition, programs and service specially designed for specific students are very common. Bilingual and ESL programs are a good example of this. After-school tutoring program, aka homework help programs, have also been customized for different types of students from different backgrounds, such as non-English proficient students, or low-income students.

A clear distinction has been made by several YW members that they do not like the Milk school's new initiative, because they do not like gay people. Thus, homophobia and intolerance is the basis for such negativity. This speaks to why a school needs to create such partnerships: GLBT students are not safe in their environments, be it school, home, or at work. If homophobic people are able to accept GBLT young people as who they are, then the need for such partnerships would be moot.

An oversimplification to why these schools will not be needed:
- Stop being a homophobe and accept GLBT young people.
- Create a safe, nurturing, and supportive environment so places like the Milk School will become obsolete.
__________________________________________________ ______________
If you would like to know more about the Harvey Milk School and the Hetrick-Martin Institute, please check out their official website at:
http://www.hmi.org/Youth/HarveyMilkSchool/default.aspx

For a message statement from HMI, please check out this link:
http://www.hmi.org/GeneralInfoAndDonations...24/default.aspx (http://www.hmi.org/GeneralInfoAndDonations/PressReleases/PressReleaseDetails/Params/pressReleaseFromTop/424/default.aspx) [/b][/quote]
Ah thanks for the informative post etcj.

Faithless

08-11-2003, 11:31 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (etcj @ Aug 11 2003, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Equating this issue with the Black Civil Rights Movement seems to be a reflex for both supporters and opponents to this issue. Although we can widely agree that blatant racism has been removed from the constitutional infrastructure of our government...racism and prejudice still exists today. That, in my mind, is perhaps why sites like Yellowworld has been created - a recognition of the lack of total integration of culture and identity. [/b][/quote]
The Gay Pride Movement can be equated somewhat to the Black Civil Rights movement:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9906/22/stonewall/

There was Stonewall in 1969, for one.

And there have been other instances and issues, where the GLBT community has stood up, like Black Civil Rights activists, to demand equality.

YuheiCarreau

08-12-2003, 12:14 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 12 2003, 02:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The Gay Pride Movement can be equated somewhat to the Black Civil Rights movement:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9906/22/stonewall/

There was Stonewall in 1969, for one.

And there have been other instances and issues, where the GLBT community has stood up, like Black Civil Rights activists, to demand equality. [/b][/quote]
God damn it, I already made this exact same post on the first page of this thread. Doesn't anyone read what I write?! :lol:

Faithless

12-28-2003, 11:38 PM

In the spirit of bumping threads from days a little long passed, I present this PDF link from NGLTF:
http://www.ngltf.org/downloads/EducationPolicy.pdf

Eighty-five percent of LGBT youth are verbally harassed and 31% are physically harrassed on a regular basis.
...
the law does provide the opportunities for an LGBT student in an unsafe school to go to a different, and hopefully safer, school. Under the Unsafe School Choice Option of the NCLB Act, every state that receives federal funds under the act must establish and implement a statewide policy that allows a student attending a persistenly dangerous public school, or who is a victim of a violent criminal offense while on school grounds, to attend a different and safer school, including a public charter school.

cargo

01-22-2004, 07:50 PM

i would hate to go to a dance at that school

Chris

01-22-2004, 07:59 PM

i would hate to go to a dance at that school

what you mean by it. Explain

cargo

01-22-2004, 08:21 PM

it would be a site to see
the abnormal meaning that
it would be the opposite from
a regular school dance
boys on boys girls on girls
but deep down i dont think
it wouldn't be much different
from a regular highschool
meaning there will be more
popular kids and stuff like that
leaving room for people to be left out
just becasue everyone's gay at the
school doesn't mean that they dont
have natural human instincts to
be pressured by peers to do things
and be mean to people who aren't
with the "in crowd"

teaz0r

01-22-2004, 08:30 PM

girls on girls and boys on boys is abnormal?

Faithless

01-22-2004, 09:05 PM

i would hate to go to a dance at that school
Why would you go in the first place?

cargo

01-22-2004, 09:52 PM

are yalls gonna critic everything i post
man.......
yall should be lucky im not typing
how yoda (star wars) talks

Chris

01-22-2004, 10:04 PM

are yalls gonna critic everything i post
man.......
yall should be lucky im not typing
how yoda (star wars) talks

we're not critizing you. I dont know really get what you just retort back to me about dances. Which is off the tangent of this topic.

We would take you more seriously if you type a bit better. Not to insult you but we have a hard time comprehending your questions. That all.

cargo

01-22-2004, 10:07 PM

I didnt ask any questions

wha do you mean

cargo

01-22-2004, 10:11 PM

I was only saying that this school, just because everyone's gay does't mean that there wont be problems that already exists in regular public schools.
Highschool children will be just what they are, which is highschool children.
I think that no matter what the situatin or surroundings that the gay kids be put in, they will be no different than heterosexual kids in a highschool.

Chris

01-22-2004, 10:13 PM

cargo

01-22-2004, 10:17 PM

do that again i will not
understand me try try try u must
talks like yoda i will
joking me this is right now

im playin but ya gotta like the yoda lingo.... lingo means language people

Chris

01-22-2004, 10:21 PM

do that again i will not
understand me try try try u must
talks like yoda i will
joking me this is right now

im playin but ya gotta like the yoda lingo.... lingo means language people

boy dont make me speak in my other 3 languages that I know fluently. :P (well two fluent, one almost fluent.)

cargo

01-22-2004, 10:30 PM

try me
more to me than meets the eye bra
im not ur average thug

Chris

01-22-2004, 10:32 PM

try me
more to me than meets the eye bra
im not ur average thug
and I am n ot your average gay boy. We can take this to PM if you want.

cargo

01-22-2004, 10:36 PM

nagh i'm straight dude (straight meaning nevermind it)
i have to explain erthing(every thing) to yalls(you all)

Chris

01-22-2004, 10:41 PM

nagh i'm straight dude (straight meaning nevermind it)
i have to explain erthing(every thing) to yalls(you all)

I would have something totally inapporaite. But since I am a mod I am going to set an example and refrain from saying anything.

With that putting a lockdown for 24 hours.

deez nuts

01-23-2004, 07:41 AM

i am shaking in my boots. he's not an average thug!

Faithless

01-24-2004, 12:38 AM

Getting back to the Harvey Milk school, is the following for real?

Harvey Milk school has gangs (http://www.nypress.com/17/3/live&learn/livelearn2.cfm)

...
The mayor insists that all the new security guards are making schools a safer place.

If you think about it, few of these incidents would have made the papers before it was decided that school violence was single-handedly responsible for the imminent collapse of Western Civilization.

Our question is, why wasn’t Harvey Milk HS on the list? The bold educational experiment was created, we’re told, to protect gay and lesbian students from the harassment they would face at a normal public school. But now who’s going to protect us? Violence perpetrated by Harvey Milk students made as much–if not more–news than most of the schools on the mayor’s list. And while yes, there were undeniable political motivations behind the coverage, these were real crimes and not just students "being unruly." Harvey Milk has gangs and bullies like any other school–they’re just more fabulous.

Last October, 23-year-old Vernon Jones was hospitalized after being attacked by a mob of Harvey Milk students outside the Astor Place Starbucks. He was kicked, punched, beaten with a broken umbrella and stabbed in the back with a screwdriver.

How the fracas started is still in question. Some say Jones hurled epithets at the students, others say he became upset when some of the students began fiddling with his Lexus. In any case, a bottle was thrown at the car, and Jones approached the mob with a screwdriver. Then all hell broke loose. A number of students, and Jones, were arrested on various charges.

Then, less than a month later, "Kimberly" Howard, "Keva" Williams, "Whoopi" Gonzalez, "Chanel" Oliver and "Keesha" Howell–all 16 or 17, and all Harvey Milk students–were arrested for running a scam in which they posed as TV hookers, then claimed to be cops before handcuffing and robbing their johns. It’s estimated they robbed over a dozen men in the West Village before getting caught.