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mr. x

08-01-2003, 05:16 PM

anyway u may have noticed earlier that i asked about korean teachers at deanza cuz i had this project

anyway i have to do this project that requires two "interviews" (bethereds is one of em) but i still need another, is there anyone here korean (who could pm me there name, for reference reasons) that i could talk to about "major contributions" of koreans? i guess this means what have koreans invented or what do they excel at economically today?

anyway here's some questions:

how does korea affect the world economy?

what are some notable korean inventions?

what does korea excel at economically?

man im outta questions, anyone know any good ones i can ask? i hafta write a 2-3 page report based on it....

yoMAMA

08-01-2003, 05:22 PM

Korea is China and Japan's bitch.

Don't forget to include that in your paper, first paragraph.

;)

mr. x

08-01-2003, 05:38 PM

^---err, are u korean? if so u got a inferiority complex...

mr. x

08-01-2003, 05:38 PM

oh btw, my papers due by wednesday

mr. x

08-01-2003, 05:38 PM

^---wednesday west coast time

SunWuKong

08-01-2003, 05:39 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 1 2003, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Korea is China and Japan's bitch.

Don't forget to include that in your paper, first paragraph.

;) [/b][/quote]
alright tone that down now...
some people aren't going to find that funny...

yoMAMA

08-01-2003, 06:08 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Aug 1 2003, 04:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> oh btw, my papers due by wednesday [/b][/quote]
No, I'm Chinese, and I was J/K!

:D  :lol:  :P

I love Korea, it's girls, its music, its MTV and their electronic goods (I have a Samsung 17 inch flat screen monitor).

Not sure about Korean cars though, but I heard they are catching up to the Japanese.

yoMAMA

08-01-2003, 06:11 PM

BTW, now i remember, my ex roommate had a Daewoo TV.

:D

mr. x

08-01-2003, 11:12 PM

wonderful! these posts are getting me nowhere  :frown:

AliBabaIncorporated

08-01-2003, 11:34 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Aug 1 2003, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> wonderful! these posts are getting me nowhere :frown: [/b][/quote]
Getting back on topic instead of whining about "cultural appropriation" ...

You should ask about Koreans overseas, who played an important role in the fight for independence and later periods of history. Don't fall into the trap of just focusing on the ones in America. Other important overseas Korean communities were in the Soviet Union (later deported to Central Asia), NE China (Shenyang and Yanji - apparently some of them have gone back to S. Korea to work as laborers), and Japan.

Other things I can think of off the top of my head to ask about in more depth are ironclad ships and hangul (and its connection to Sanskrit, which is one of the other most scientific alphabets in existence).

BeTheReds

08-02-2003, 06:32 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 2 2003, 03:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Other things I can think of off the top of my head to ask about in more depth are ironclad ships and hangul (and its connection to Sanskrit, which is one of the other most scientific alphabets in existence). [/b][/quote]
Hangul has connection to sanscrit?

I never knew that!  I'm pretty sure I paid attention in linguistics class and hangul was created by a korean King using the shape of the tounge for consonants and shape of the mouth for vowels.

It's one of the world's few writing systems based on nothing preceding it.

Correct me if I am wrong tho.

RasFarengi

08-02-2003, 06:59 AM

BetheRed:

I thought it was based on Chinese characters.  When the Koreans wrote in all Chinese characters, this was obviously difficult to appropriate to their language, so they just took common charcters that made a certain sound (Chinese has multiple characters that make the sound "dong" and multiple tones for that sound), I'm not sure how they chose the character, and they just simplified it, and used it as an alphabet.

I'm not sure if I am making this clear.

I read that the Japanese made Hiragana was made in a similar way.

Napoleon Chynamite

08-02-2003, 10:36 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 2 2003, 05:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> BetheRed:

I thought it was based on Chinese characters. When the Koreans wrote in all Chinese characters, this was obviously difficult to appropriate to their language, so they just took common charcters that made a certain sound (Chinese has multiple characters that make the sound "dong" and multiple tones for that sound), I'm not sure how they chose the character, and they just simplified it, and used it as an alphabet.

I'm not sure if I am making this clear.

I read that the Japanese made Hiragana was made in a similar way. [/b][/quote]
Korean borrows a lot of vocabulary from Chinese characters (kinda like how English borrows from Latin), but the actual writing system Hangul itself and how it works has absolutely nothing to do with Chinese writing or pronunciation or speech. The Korean language was already spoken way before Hangul existed, and the system was created so that Koreans would be able to become literate without having to learn all the Chinese characters, as well as having their own writing alphabet and system to claim as their own. The Hangul alphabet is arguably the most scientific and impressive achievement in Korean history in my opinion, although that might be kinda pointless since I don't know much about Korean history.

AliBabaIncorporated

08-02-2003, 01:09 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Aug 2 2003, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I never knew that! I'm pretty sure I paid attention in linguistics class and hangul was created by a korean King using the shape of the tounge for consonants and shape of the mouth for vowels.

It's one of the world's few writing systems based on nothing preceding it.

Correct me if I am wrong tho. [/b][/quote]
Well, there's no direct connection, as far I've heard, but I'd imagine that the scholars who helped King Sejong, as Buddhists, were certainly aware of Sanskrit and some of the conventions of its alphabet. So, the images themselves leading to Hangul were probably created by the scholars themselves, instead of them just borrowing something that had gone before and screwing with it the way the Greeks did.

But the scientific principles underlying it (consonants which are pronounced in similar places in the mouth look similar on paper, tense consonants formed by doubling up a single consonant) would seem to owe a lot to Sanskrit. Though it's just speculation. I think the idea of spelling word roots to indicate how they'd change in combination with other sounds instead of just directly how they're pronounced, was an original idea (e.g. like the "s" in "opda")

mr. x

08-02-2003, 01:25 PM

hmm k, anyone of u guys actually korean? i need a name, oh well i could try emailing a website operator for a name, but if i have to make one up whats a good "john doe" in korean?

i duno why but the random name Tae-yun Kim seems to pop up in my mind a lot. is that name plausible in korean or is there something i should know (like "oh no, koreans would never have the tae before the yun except after c or something?)

SunWuKong

08-02-2003, 01:40 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Aug 2 2003, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hmm k, anyone of u guys actually korean? [/b][/quote]
there are koreans around. not many of them are replying to this thread for some reason.

BeTheReds

08-03-2003, 02:14 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 2 2003, 10:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> BetheRed:

I thought it was based on Chinese characters. When the Koreans wrote in all Chinese characters, this was obviously difficult to appropriate to their language, so they just took common charcters that made a certain sound (Chinese has multiple characters that make the sound "dong" and multiple tones for that sound), I'm not sure how they chose the character, and they just simplified it, and used it as an alphabet.

I'm not sure if I am making this clear.

I read that the Japanese made Hiragana was made in a similar way. [/b][/quote]
Ras..

No you're absolutly wrong.

Hangul has nothing to do with Chinese characters.

BeTheReds

08-03-2003, 02:18 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Aug 3 2003, 05:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hmm k, anyone of u guys actually korean? i need a name, oh well i could try emailing a website operator for a name, but if i have to make one up whats a good "john doe" in korean?

i duno why but the random name Tae-yun Kim seems to pop up in my mind a lot. is that name plausible in korean or is there something i should know (like "oh no, koreans would never have the tae before the yun except after c or something?) [/b][/quote]
My name is Eugene Whong.

If you want a more Korean sounding romanization then go for Hwang Yu-jin.

BeTheReds

08-03-2003, 02:25 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 3 2003, 05:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

But the scientific principles underlying it (consonants which are pronounced in similar places in the mouth look similar on paper, tense consonants formed by doubling up a single consonant) would seem to owe a lot to Sanskrit. Though it's just speculation. I think the idea of spelling word roots to indicate how they'd change in combination with other sounds instead of just directly how they're pronounced, was an original idea (e.g. like the "s" in "opda") [/b][/quote]
The spellings that don't make sense are because they are spelling a word the way it used to be pronounced.

obda actually used to be obsda. and choi really was choi back in the day.

As I don't know much about sanscrit, i wouldn't know anything about how the root words being spelled connects it to sanscrit, but i do know that most of the scholars in king sejong's court were principally educated using chinese character. To what level they were aware of sanscrit is not known, but i don't doubt that some of them could read it.
And I don't think any of the hangul letters look anything like sanscrit...

mr. x

08-04-2003, 12:02 AM

hmm more specifically i have to "Desvribe at least five major contributions of the selected culture that have become part of U.S. American culture in temrs of art, education, technology, family values, cultutral values, celebrations, life style

so i know for example that there are cheap korean cars and stuff, and bethereds mentioned that simpsons cartoons (and a lot of cartoons in general) are animated there. theres korean cellphone technology, theres kimchi and ginseng....lesse maybe korean bbq

is there anything in korean history that his directly influenced something that is used here today?

any other ways that korea affects the U.S.? i would mention the korean war (influenced MASH and the whole jaded war feeling i guess).