AAs who disrespect/avoid other AAs [Archive]

tapestrybabe

07-30-2003, 07:52 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Jul 30 2003, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 2) AAs who try to avoid other AAs-

Primarily younger AAs in heavily White-dominated environments (read law school). They radiate this aura when they see another AA, "Oh sh*t, don't come near me. I can't be seen with you! I don't want to be ghettoized!"

Anyone think I'm full of sh*t? Or have you encountered examples of the above? What do you think motivates such behavior? Self-hatred? Desire to fit in? Trying to associate with what is perceived to be successful? [/b][/quote]
i know from my experience...
when i was YOUNGER... i would avoid other asians...
dunno... i guess i felt too AMerican for them... i've shared this story before... how i was the ONLY asian in 5th grade... and when another korean student entered in the middle of the school year... who didnt speak english that well... she kinda gravitated towards me... and i ended up avoiding her... dunno... i didnt like how the other students just clumped me and her together...

and yeah, it coulda been my drive to want to fit in with the other non asians... like i knew the other students kinda looked down on this new korean student... due to the fact she just arrived to america... had a heavy asian accent... and wasnt really well versed in the english language... and just cuz i was the only other asian... i didnt want the other students to percieve me as like her... i dunno... but yeah, i tended to avoid her like the other students...

i'm not like that anymore tho...
i've changed quite a bit...
and i think i've grown to be quite the opposite now...

Tao

07-30-2003, 08:05 PM

every race has that problem....guess you'll just have to live with that fact

tapestrybabe

07-30-2003, 08:29 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dac @ Jul 30 2003, 11:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tapestrybabe @ Jul 30 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Jul 30 2003, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 2) AAs who try to avoid other AAs-

Primarily younger AAs in heavily White-dominated environments (read law school). They radiate this aura when they see another AA, "Oh sh*t, don't come near me. I can't be seen with you! I don't want to be ghettoized!"

Anyone think I'm full of sh*t? Or have you encountered examples of the above? What do you think motivates such behavior? Self-hatred? Desire to fit in? Trying to associate with what is perceived to be successful? [/b][/quote]
i know from my experience...
when i was YOUNGER... i would avoid other asians...
dunno... i guess i felt too AMerican for them... i've shared this story before... how i was the ONLY asian in 5th grade... and when another korean student entered in the middle of the school year... who didnt speak english that well... she kinda gravitated towards me... and i ended up avoiding her... dunno... i didnt like how the other students just clumped me and her together...

and yeah, it coulda been my drive to want to fit in with the other non asians... like i knew the other students kinda looked down on this new korean student... due to the fact she just arrived to america... had a heavy asian accent... and wasnt really well versed in the english language... and just cuz i was the only other asian... i didnt want the other students to percieve me as like her... i dunno... but yeah, i tended to avoid her like the other students...

i'm not like that anymore tho...
i've changed quite a bit...
and i think i've grown to be quite the opposite now... [/b][/quote]
Well ... at least you realized. Nothing's wrong with that. I'm sure a lot of Asians when they were young were tripping out why they don't have blue eyes.

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the student body at the time was mostly white, with some black ppl... and perhaps spanish... i dunno... but yeah, i just know i was the only asian... but really... i NEVER gave too much thought about it... until the other Korean student entered in the middle of the school year... like i remember it made me feel WEIRD... like WHOA!!! a student that looks like me... yeah, its only when she entered... she just made me all the more aware and self conscious of my asian ness when it came to my features...

Tao

07-30-2003, 08:53 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tapestrybabe @ Jul 30 2003, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dac @ Jul 30 2003, 11:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tapestrybabe @ Jul 30 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Jul 30 2003, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 2) AAs who try to avoid other AAs-

Primarily younger AAs in heavily White-dominated environments (read law school). They radiate this aura when they see another AA, "Oh sh*t, don't come near me. I can't be seen with you! I don't want to be ghettoized!"

Anyone think I'm full of sh*t? Or have you encountered examples of the above? What do you think motivates such behavior? Self-hatred? Desire to fit in? Trying to associate with what is perceived to be successful? [/b][/quote]
i know from my experience...
when i was YOUNGER... i would avoid other asians...
dunno... i guess i felt too AMerican for them... i've shared this story before... how i was the ONLY asian in 5th grade... and when another korean student entered in the middle of the school year... who didnt speak english that well... she kinda gravitated towards me... and i ended up avoiding her... dunno... i didnt like how the other students just clumped me and her together...

and yeah, it coulda been my drive to want to fit in with the other non asians... like i knew the other students kinda looked down on this new korean student... due to the fact she just arrived to america... had a heavy asian accent... and wasnt really well versed in the english language... and just cuz i was the only other asian... i didnt want the other students to percieve me as like her... i dunno... but yeah, i tended to avoid her like the other students...

i'm not like that anymore tho...
i've changed quite a bit...
and i think i've grown to be quite the opposite now... [/b][/quote]
Well ... at least you realized. Nothing's wrong with that. I'm sure a lot of Asians when they were young were tripping out why they don't have blue eyes.

[/b][/quote]
the student body at the time was mostly white, with some black ppl... and perhaps spanish... i dunno... but yeah, i just know i was the only asian... but really... i NEVER gave too much thought about it... until the other Korean student entered in the middle of the school year... like i remember it made me feel WEIRD... like WHOA!!! a student that looks like me... yeah, its only when she entered... she just made me all the more aware and self conscious of my asian ness when it came to my features... [/b][/quote]
can't be helped i guess. i mean if i grew up in thatenviornment i'd probably be self concious too.

mr. x

07-30-2003, 09:27 PM

kinda reminds me of the story about this islamist dude, anyway anyone remember there was a movie called "kandahar" right after the afghan campaign got under way? anyway this islamist dude ended up as an extra in the movie, and someone recognized him as a guy wanted in the U.S. for killing this Iranian. anyway he gave this interview and said something abuot being in school with a buncha whites who accepted him but when this other, even darker boy came, the white boys avoided him and stuff and the islamist felt terrible

AngryABCGirl

07-30-2003, 09:58 PM

I hate those people disrespect you too if you're Asian but are nice to do if you're White.  That's just lame and pathetic, especially from older people.  But a lot of people have fucking inferiority complexes, they'll be rude to Blacks and Hispanics too, and that's just messed up.  Then they're also older fobs who disrespect AA kids because they think we're whitewashed and un-filial and yada yada and assume every kid is probably because their kid hates them because they're an asshole.  Yes I'm in a pissy mood right now.  But seriously, I don't need an asshole to give me bad service at a restaurant or a store because I popped out of my mom in the US.

Anyway, for the other thing, that use to really piss me off, but I kinda understand how they would feel uncomfortable around less Americanized-AAs or self-concious, but it's not like we're a different species.  But I have to admit, I probaby don't have that much more in common with them than with a white kid from their same suburb.

DragonKnight

07-30-2003, 10:27 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dac @ Jul 30 2003, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hey ... never too late to realized where you come from.
Remember that y'all! It's all about the Asians!

ASIAN MUTHEFUCKEN PRIDE!!! [/b][/quote]
Dayam young Asian brotha, chill out.  Lol, no need to get over excited. B)

ChairmanMah

07-30-2003, 10:42 PM

piss offs

1. older asians who think they can talk rudely to you like i'm their kid or something. not just asian people tho.

2. younger asians who try to deny themselves by avoiding other asians.

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i admit that i don't feel i have much in common w/ fobs. actually i have more stuff in common with canadian borns but i don't deny my heritage and avoid other asians. But I find that a lot asian styles and mannerisms not my cup of tea. Sometimes its annoying actually.

Fireblade

07-30-2003, 11:52 PM

I don't like how some groups of people tend to assume that I automatically fit some sterotypes. I try to tell others to identify me by my name, and not by my ethnicity. Just because I speak Chinese doesn't mean I know how to read it. Other things like assumptions that I am smart, or that I eat Dim Sum every weekend, is not me.

And I don't like how some people just decidedly like to fit these sterotypes without questioning them. Oh ok, I'll shut up now, because that's expected.  <_<

Yea, the more we fit a mold of something, the more people will see us that way. Don't disregard your culture, but don't embrace everything everyone says.

hooligan

07-31-2003, 12:03 AM

hmm... i get pissed off when AAs seem to think of nobody except our own mother fucking race and forget that there's people of color who we need to get to know.  when student groups (read the asian american ones) on campus are more concerned with the bottom line (read funding) than to realize that there needs to be unity and consciousness promoted, as opposed to fractionalization and alienating people of all colors. 

as for young kid who grow up in a white environment. who the fuck are you to judge? i think you should be put in an environment and grow up there.  try living THAT life and tell me how adjusted YOU'D fucking be if that's all you ever knew and your parents had to work 3 fucking jobs (read i grew up with little asian culture and guidance).  i think some of you guys are a little too priveleged, and lived a life a little too comfortable, you lose perspective of how hard it really is to grow up in white america.  what i meant to say, AAs who don't take the fucking time to understand shit. 

tapestrybabe

07-31-2003, 02:13 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AzNBuffGrL @ Jul 31 2003, 12:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Anyway, for the other thing, that use to really piss me off, but I kinda understand how they would feel uncomfortable around less Americanized-AAs or self-concious, but it's not like we're a different species. [/b][/quote]
i think someone whose grown up in an asian family and in a community with a large asian population... the concept of hanging out and associating with other asians just seems NORMAL... but for me... growing up in a white household... and in mostly white dominated communities... when ever i would come into contact with another asian... it felt like a novelty... i mean, i know asians arent like a different species... but still the same... growing up, it always ended up feeling... SO unusual and different for me...

Tao

07-31-2003, 02:17 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tapestrybabe @ Jul 31 2003, 05:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i think someone whose grown up in an asian family and in a community with a large asian population... the concept of hanging out and associating with other asians just seems NORMAL... but for me... growing up in a white household... and in mostly white dominated communities... when ever i would come into contact with another asian... it felt like a novelty... i mean, i know asians arent like a different species... but still the same... growing up, it always ended up feeling... SO unusual and different for me... [/b][/quote]
yeah i can understand that sorta feeling. it's like people expect you to recognize the person like some long lost relative or something, just cause you are the same race. so you'd feel pressured by the people around you to act a certain stereotypical way around the other asian.

angel nympho

07-31-2003, 05:39 PM

I don't think I've ever encountered that kind of thing. I get a lot of the opposite though. ... For example, I got in a car accident once... totally my fault, I hit the guy in front of me. He comes out of the car rubbing his neck and saying he's going to make me pay his medical bills... Walks up to my car, looks at me and goes "OH! You're Korean???" And suddenly he's all good and he even sat with me on the curb and patted my hand until the tow truck got there. He talked to me about school and said I shouldn't have to worry about anything other than studying hard.  I never heard from his insurance agency and he never complained to me about anything. I didn't know being Korean could be so handy! :)

d-boy

07-31-2003, 06:04 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tao @ Jul 31 2003, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yeah i can understand that sorta feeling. it's like people expect you to recognize the person like some long lost relative or something, just cause you are the same race. so you'd feel pressured by the people around you to act a certain stereotypical way around the other asian. [/b][/quote]
I'm not talking about treating other AAs like a long-lost sibling, but simply acting the same way towards them, as you do to White folk.

If the occassion warrants, talk to them/make eye contact. Don't avoid them.

Just think about it logically.

How absurd is it that some AAs feel uncomfortable around their own race?

And don't give me this bullsh*t about being raised around White folks.  I was raised in Fairfield County, CT (WASP-ville USA).  It's more than that; it's about wanting to fit in.  Be honest.

angel nympho

07-31-2003, 06:11 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Aug 1 2003, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm not talking about treating other AAs like a long-lost sibling, but simply acting the same way towards them, as you do to White folk.

If the occassion warrants, talk to them/make eye contact. Don't avoid them.

Just think about it logically.

How absurd is it that some AAs feel uncomfortable around their own race? [/b][/quote]
I agree with that.  I strongly believe that when I meet/see an Asian person on the street, I do no more to avoid them than I do when I see a white person on the street.  But that doesn't mean I run up to them and want to be friends.

Tao

07-31-2003, 06:13 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Jul 31 2003, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm not talking about treating other AAs like a long-lost sibling, but simply acting the same way towards them, as you do to White folk.

If the occassion warrants, talk to them/make eye contact. Don't avoid them.

Just think about it logically.

How absurd is it that some AAs feel uncomfortable around their own race? [/b][/quote]
yeah i agree. I wasn't saying that I felt uncomfortable when i'm around asians. i'm just saying that I can imagine and relate, to some extent, of the story tapestry was talking about.

I grew up in queens man, seeing another asian is defiently not an issue for me!

But I got to admit I don't act the same way with asians as i do with other races. I usually let my guard down sooner when i befriend an asian as opposed to other races. That's what happens when you grow up in a heavily asian neighborhood.

AliBabaIncorporated

07-31-2003, 06:15 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Jul 31 2003, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> How absurd is it that some AAs feel uncomfortable around their own race? [/b][/quote]
Maybe they're worried or sick of being judged by other AA as not having "enuff aZnPrYd3" or whatnot for something they do, and so act awkward cuz they feel they gotta watch their every action.

angel nympho

07-31-2003, 06:16 PM

Well, there ARE some Asians I feel uncomfortable around.  You know the type, I'm sure......... 3 inches of makeup, dark colored clothes, long pants and a long sleeved shirt even in the middle of summer, evil stares?  Yeah, they make me uncomfortable because they seem very very unfriendly.

d-boy

07-31-2003, 06:19 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 31 2003, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Maybe they're worried or sick of being judged by other AA as not having "enuff aZnPrYd3" or whatnot for something they do, and so act awkward cuz they feel they gotta watch their every action. [/b][/quote]
Fair enuff.  there are special situations of course.

btw, Tapestrybabe, I wasn't trying to jump down your throat earlier.  hope i didn't give that impression.

SunWuKong

07-31-2003, 06:28 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 31 2003, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Maybe they're worried or sick of being judged by other AA as not having "enuff aZnPrYd3" or whatnot for something they do, and so act awkward cuz they feel they gotta watch their every action. [/b][/quote]
to be honest, they do grow out of it.  i really don't see that anymore with people around my age - mid to late 20s or early 30s, white-collar.

AngryABCGirl

07-31-2003, 06:38 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Jul 31 2003, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, there ARE some Asians I feel uncomfortable around. You know the type, I'm sure......... 3 inches of makeup, dark colored clothes, long pants and a long sleeved shirt even in the middle of summer, evil stares? Yeah, they make me uncomfortable because they seem very very unfriendly. [/b][/quote]
Those people half make me want to crack-up, and half make me want to piss in my pants.

angel nympho

07-31-2003, 06:39 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 1 2003, 01:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> to be honest, they do grow out of it. i really don't see that anymore with people around my age - mid to late 20s or early 30s, white-collar. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I think that's sort of starting to get *phased out*...   People evolve.  It's kinda nice.

mr. x

07-31-2003, 06:41 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Jul 31 2003, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't think I've ever encountered that kind of thing. I get a lot of the opposite though. ... For example, I got in a car accident once... totally my fault, I hit the guy in front of me. He comes out of the car rubbing his neck and saying he's going to make me pay his medical bills... Walks up to my car, looks at me and goes "OH! You're Korean???" And suddenly he's all good and he even sat with me on the curb and patted my hand until the tow truck got there. He talked to me about school and said I shouldn't have to worry about anything other than studying hard. I never heard from his insurance agency and he never complained to me about anything. I didn't know being Korean could be so handy! :) [/b][/quote]
was he jesting? the neck thing i mean

thats messed up then if he wasnt, i mean giving asian drivers a bad name

i got hella lucky cuz i fendered a japanese woman, no damage done really its just she was really generous and lucky for me i coulda gotten someone worse or she coulda gotten someone worse (who coulda simply walked over her)

angel nympho

07-31-2003, 06:43 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Aug 1 2003, 01:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> was he jesting? the neck thing i mean

thats messed up then if he wasnt, i mean giving asian drivers a bad name

i got hella lucky cuz i fendered a japanese woman, no damage done really its just she was really generous and lucky for me i coulda gotten someone worse or she coulda gotten someone worse (who coulda simply walked over her) [/b][/quote]
If you saw the look on his face... wow. I really don't think he was joking. He was in full-on victim mode.  Blehhh, if anyone was giving Asian drivers a bad name, it was me.  Hahahah, I was the one who hit him, remember?  LOL

SunWuKong

07-31-2003, 06:53 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Jul 31 2003, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Aug 1 2003, 01:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> was he jesting? the neck thing i mean

thats messed up then if he wasnt, i mean giving asian drivers a bad name

i got hella lucky cuz i fendered a japanese woman, no damage done really its just she was really generous and lucky for me i coulda gotten someone worse or she coulda gotten someone worse (who coulda simply walked over her) [/b][/quote]
If you saw the look on his face... wow. I really don't think he was joking. He was in full-on victim mode. Blehhh, if anyone was giving Asian drivers a bad name, it was me. Hahahah, I was the one who hit him, remember? LOL [/b][/quote]
you're the worse!  you're Asian, and you're female!

hahah just kidding don't kill me.

ChairmanMah

07-31-2003, 06:55 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Jul 31 2003, 05:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

And don't give me this bullsh*t about being raised around White folks. I was raised in Fairfield County, CT (WASP-ville USA). It's more than that; it's about wanting to fit in. Be honest. [/b][/quote]
tapestry babe was raised by white folks. Not just around them. Different story.

you couldn't fully understand if you aren't in that position since most y'all are raised by asian parents.

Green_Circle

07-31-2003, 07:33 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Aug 1 2003, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Aug 1 2003, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm not talking about treating other AAs like a long-lost sibling, but simply acting the same way towards them, as you do to White folk.

If the occassion warrants, talk to them/make eye contact. Don't avoid them.

Just think about it logically.

How absurd is it that some AAs feel uncomfortable around their own race? [/b][/quote]
I agree with that. I strongly believe that when I meet/see an Asian person on the street, I do no more to avoid them than I do when I see a white person on the street. But that doesn't mean I run up to them and want to be friends. [/b][/quote]
In the 4h grade in an all White and hostile school we finally got a new girl and she was Asian! A Japanese girl wow, I'm thinking I'm finally gonna have a friend. It turned out that she was the type you guys are talking about. She acted like I had the plague. She even told me to stay away from her because I would try to chat her up at times to make her feel welcome. One morning on the way to school I said good morning to her and her mom and they didnt say anything. They just glared at me with that hateful look, especially her mom. She was  scary looking. I just took a big gulp and walked past real quick.

angel nympho

07-31-2003, 10:22 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Green_Circle @ Aug 1 2003, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Aug 1 2003, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Aug 1 2003, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm not talking about treating other AAs like a long-lost sibling, but simply acting the same way towards them, as you do to White folk.

If the occassion warrants, talk to them/make eye contact. Don't avoid them.

Just think about it logically.

How absurd is it that some AAs feel uncomfortable around their own race? [/b][/quote]
I agree with that. I strongly believe that when I meet/see an Asian person on the street, I do no more to avoid them than I do when I see a white person on the street. But that doesn't mean I run up to them and want to be friends. [/b][/quote]
In the 4h grade in an all White and hostile school we finally got a new girl and she was Asian! A Japanese girl wow, I'm thinking I'm finally gonna have a friend. It turned out that she was the type you guys are talking about. She acted like I had the plague. She even told me to stay away from her because I would try to chat her up at times to make her feel welcome. One morning on the way to school I said good morning to her and her mom and they didnt say anything. They just glared at me with that hateful look, especially her mom. She was scary looking. I just took a big gulp and walked past real quick. [/b][/quote]
WEEEIRD.  That sucks.

And SWK:  I know, don't remind me.  Hahahha... that portion of my life is now lovingly referred to as "The Month of 3 Accidents."  Yes.  I had 3.  In a month.

mr. x

08-01-2003, 12:08 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Green_Circle @ Jul 31 2003, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Aug 1 2003, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Aug 1 2003, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm not talking about treating other AAs like a long-lost sibling, but simply acting the same way towards them, as you do to White folk.

If the occassion warrants, talk to them/make eye contact. Don't avoid them.

Just think about it logically.

How absurd is it that some AAs feel uncomfortable around their own race? [/b][/quote]
I agree with that. I strongly believe that when I meet/see an Asian person on the street, I do no more to avoid them than I do when I see a white person on the street. But that doesn't mean I run up to them and want to be friends. [/b][/quote]
In the 4h grade in an all White and hostile school we finally got a new girl and she was Asian! A Japanese girl wow, I'm thinking I'm finally gonna have a friend. It turned out that she was the type you guys are talking about. She acted like I had the plague. She even told me to stay away from her because I would try to chat her up at times to make her feel welcome. One morning on the way to school I said good morning to her and her mom and they didnt say anything. They just glared at me with that hateful look, especially her mom. She was scary looking. I just took a big gulp and walked past real quick. [/b][/quote]
did she "suck up" to white people?

Faithless

08-01-2003, 08:49 AM

gangsta_T

08-03-2003, 12:57 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dzoo @ Jul 30 2003, 05:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> In my experiences, two types of AAs with f*cked up heads:

1) AAs who disrespect other AAs-

Primarily older AAs. For example, in my local post office, there's this Korean worker in his late 40's~early 50's.

When he sees an Asian customer, he simply gestures rudely to tell them its their turn to come up to the counter. When he sees a White person, he falls over himself, fawning over them. Is this a case of Familiarity breeding Contempt?
I notice a lot of older Asians like this, especially in the service industries.

2) AAs who try to avoid other AAs-

Primarily younger AAs in heavily White-dominated environments (read law school). They radiate this aura when they see another AA, "Oh sh*t, don't come near me. I can't be seen with you! I don't want to be ghettoized!"

Anyone think I'm full of sh*t? Or have you encountered examples of the above? What do you think motivates such behavior? Self-hatred? Desire to fit in? Trying to associate with what is perceived to be successful? [/b][/quote]
I ain't ever met someone like the first type of people you mention but oooooooh man, I got a list of folks in the second one. Let me tell you. There was this one Indian girl I use to work with. Bullsh$tted herself about being proud of her identity at Asian events and when you look at her personal life, she surrounds herself with white friends and date white guys. Pretends to be a strong proud asian women and sell that exoticness to white guys. We all saw through her and knew she was really nothing but a poor excuse for a self-hatred sellout. This is one of the worst type of AAs there are.

AliBabaIncorporated

08-03-2003, 02:09 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 3 2003, 12:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I ain't ever met someone like the first type of people you mention but oooooooh man, I got a list of folks in the second one. Let me tell you. There was this one Indian girl I use to work with. Bullsh$tted herself about being proud of her identity at Asian events and when you look at her personal life, she surrounds herself with white friends and date white guys. Pretends to be a strong proud asian women and sell that exoticness to white guys. We all saw through her and knew she was really nothing but a poor excuse for a self-hatred sellout. This is one of the worst type of AAs there are. [/b][/quote]
man are we gonna have to go through the same deal with every newbie ... "she doesn't hang out with sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE so she must be whitewashed" ...

You seem like a cool enough guy from your other posts, so I'll just say: chill out on this issue, we've got sick of talking about it over the past month. People will date whoever they want regardless, and it doesn't affect anyone's personal efforts to transmit their culture to the next generation.

gangsta_T

08-03-2003, 02:43 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 3 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You seem like a cool enough guy from your other posts, so I'll just say: chill out on this issue, we've got sick of talking about it over the past month. People will date whoever they want regardless, and it doesn't affect anyone's personal efforts to transmit their culture to the next generation. [/b][/quote]
man are we gonna have to go through the same deal with every newbie ... "she doesn't hang out with sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE so she must be whitewashed" ...

Who said anything about "sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE" dude? And what's up with that kind of spelling? You trying to be cool or something? LOL. Just messing with yah. Dude. Check this out.

Here she is. We are at a formal event celebrating our ethnicity. The girl is all decked out with her Indian dress with the dot on her head talking about how proud she is of her Indian heritage.

You zoom back and forth in her days and all you see is her hanging out with white folks. On the day where you have this celebration, the BITACH[thanks dac :P]shamelessly sell her exoticness to white folks at the event like Amy Tan selling Chinese "exotic" culture to white folks in her books.

Heck, I didn't even use the word whitewash, but if it means brainwash to believe that white was better, the girl fits the bill. How can you not be whitewashed if there are so many different races of people that you can possibly hang out with, but somehow whine up exclusively with white friends? Don't get me wrong, it's a diverse organization that we work at. Anyway, you have to know the girl well and trust me on this one, self-denied SELF-HATRED SELLOUT ALL THE WAY.

gangsta_T

08-03-2003, 03:37 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 3 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> man are we gonna have to go through the same deal with every newbie ... "she doesn't hang out with sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE so she must be whitewashed" ...

You seem like a cool enough guy from your other posts, so I'll just say: chill out on this issue, we've got sick of talking about it over the past month. People will date whoever they want regardless, and it doesn't affect anyone's personal efforts to transmit their culture to the next generation. [/b][/quote]
Also, it's cool that you emphasize there's other reasons. I completely understand that. I date out myself but I do think white wash, black wash[yeah yeah...my black slang talk sometimes...I know...LOL...can't help it ...it fun talking like this sometimes], etc. sellouts are a problem in Asian American path to empowerment in the United States. I don't know if its something in some of the Asian cutlures that value white folks and their value so highly, but it's turning out some really shameful Asian Americans. Also, Black culture is pretty prevalent in the media where you got n$ggerize Asians who talk ghetto Black[worst than me sometimes] and idolize Black media culture. Granted that the social environment plays a big factor in influencing people's way of thinking, but I am afraid the younger, gullible asians are quicker to adopt( or become heavily influence of) the superficial fast-pace cheap thrills of American pop culture which center around White and Black folks with their lame ideas of reality, beauty, life, etc.

himura-dono

08-03-2003, 11:03 AM

this thread reminds me of a sinfest comic.

<img src='http://sinfest.net/comics/sf20000517.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

shy

08-03-2003, 12:22 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tao @ Jul 30 2003, 07:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> every race has that problem....guess you'll just have to live with that fact [/b][/quote]
well said...

in my personal experience... no. i have not encountered either of those two. toronto's got problems in every race. but all in all, asian canadians get along very well with one another. as well as other non-asians.

shy

08-03-2003, 12:28 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 31 2003, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Maybe they're worried or sick of being judged by other AA as not having "enuff aZnPrYd3" or whatnot for something they do, and so act awkward cuz they feel they gotta watch their every action. [/b][/quote]
good point... good to remember that sometimes a certain behaviour is received as a reaction to some one else's behaviour.

hard to say... every situation is different.

SunWuKong

08-03-2003, 04:04 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 3 2003, 05:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 3 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You seem like a cool enough guy from your other posts, so I'll just say: chill out on this issue, we've got sick of talking about it over the past month. People will date whoever they want regardless, and it doesn't affect anyone's personal efforts to transmit their culture to the next generation. [/b][/quote]
man are we gonna have to go through the same deal with every newbie ... "she doesn't hang out with sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE so she must be whitewashed" ...

Who said anything about "sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE" dude? And what's up with that kind of spelling? You trying to be cool or something? LOL. Just messing with yah. Dude. Check this out.

Here she is. We are at a formal event celebrating our ethnicity. The girl is all decked out with her Indian dress with the dot on her head talking about how proud she is of her Indian heritage.

You zoom back and forth in her days and all you see is her hanging out with white folks. On the day where you have this celebration, the BITACH[thanks dac :P]shamelessly sell her exoticness to white folks at the event like Amy Tan selling Chinese "exotic" culture to white folks in her books.

Heck, I didn't even use the word whitewash, but if it means brainwash to believe that white was better, the girl fits the bill. How can you not be whitewashed if there are so many different races of people that you can possibly hang out with, but somehow whine up exclusively with white friends? Don't get me wrong, it's a diverse organization that we work at. Anyway, you have to know the girl well and trust me on this one, self-denied SELF-HATRED SELLOUT ALL THE WAY. [/b][/quote]
please explain to all of us how having white friends and dating white guys exclude her from being into her ethnic heritage.

please stop complaining about Asian women who do this. i'm asking you as an admin.

angel nympho

08-03-2003, 09:40 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 3 2003, 09:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 3 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You seem like a cool enough guy from your other posts, so I'll just say: chill out on this issue, we've got sick of talking about it over the past month. People will date whoever they want regardless, and it doesn't affect anyone's personal efforts to transmit their culture to the next generation. [/b][/quote]
man are we gonna have to go through the same deal with every newbie ... "she doesn't hang out with sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE so she must be whitewashed" ...

Who said anything about "sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE" dude? And what's up with that kind of spelling? You trying to be cool or something? LOL. Just messing with yah. Dude. Check this out.

Here she is. We are at a formal event celebrating our ethnicity. The girl is all decked out with her Indian dress with the dot on her head talking about how proud she is of her Indian heritage.

You zoom back and forth in her days and all you see is her hanging out with white folks. On the day where you have this celebration, the BITACH[thanks dac :P]shamelessly sell her exoticness to white folks at the event like Amy Tan selling Chinese "exotic" culture to white folks in her books.

Heck, I didn't even use the word whitewash, but if it means brainwash to believe that white was better, the girl fits the bill. How can you not be whitewashed if there are so many different races of people that you can possibly hang out with, but somehow whine up exclusively with white friends? Don't get me wrong, it's a diverse organization that we work at. Anyway, you have to know the girl well and trust me on this one, self-denied SELF-HATRED SELLOUT ALL THE WAY. [/b][/quote]
So all you are basing this judgement on is the fact that she dresses in her traditional clothes, claims to be proud of her heritage, but doesn't have friends of her own culture? That doesn't mean she WOULDN'T have friends of her own culture or that she thinks white people are better. That just means that many of her friends don't share her culture with her. It IS possible be proud of your heritage regardless of who you hang out with.

SunWuKong

08-03-2003, 10:07 PM

how about this: i have a female Korean friend who goes for non-Asian guys. most Asian guys don't want to date her because she's not exactly skinny. is she a "sell-out"?

Fireblade

08-03-2003, 10:57 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Aug 3 2003, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 3 2003, 09:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Aug 3 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You seem like a cool enough guy from your other posts, so I'll just say: chill out on this issue, we've got sick of talking about it over the past month. People will date whoever they want regardless, and it doesn't affect anyone's personal efforts to transmit their culture to the next generation. [/b][/quote]
man are we gonna have to go through the same deal with every newbie ... "she doesn't hang out with sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE so she must be whitewashed" ...

Who said anything about "sOOp3r AzNprYd3 cLiQuE" dude? And what's up with that kind of spelling? You trying to be cool or something? LOL. Just messing with yah. Dude. Check this out.

Here she is. We are at a formal event celebrating our ethnicity. The girl is all decked out with her Indian dress with the dot on her head talking about how proud she is of her Indian heritage.

You zoom back and forth in her days and all you see is her hanging out with white folks. On the day where you have this celebration, the BITACH[thanks dac :P]shamelessly sell her exoticness to white folks at the event like Amy Tan selling Chinese "exotic" culture to white folks in her books.

Heck, I didn't even use the word whitewash, but if it means brainwash to believe that white was better, the girl fits the bill. How can you not be whitewashed if there are so many different races of people that you can possibly hang out with, but somehow whine up exclusively with white friends? Don't get me wrong, it's a diverse organization that we work at. Anyway, you have to know the girl well and trust me on this one, self-denied SELF-HATRED SELLOUT ALL THE WAY. [/b][/quote]
So all you are basing this judgement on is the fact that she dresses in her traditional clothes, claims to be proud of her heritage, but doesn't have friends of her own culture? That doesn't mean she WOULDN'T have friends of her own culture or that she thinks white people are better. That just means that many of her friends don't share her culture with her. It IS possible be proud of your heritage regardless of who you hang out with. [/b][/quote]
I agree with Angel with this. You can be proud of your heritage, but not have many friends with a similar heritage. Sometimes it can turn off others, and maybe they don't share their enthusiam for being Indian, asian, or what-not. Dating a person of a different race isn't being called a sell-out. It's just being attracted to someone. Sometimes it doesn't have to make sense. Sheesh. If I started liking a white girl (which has happened many times. :lol: ) does that make me a sell-out. And if I move out to middle america and have nothing but white friends... would that make me a sell-out? No. But if she openly talks about how her culture does this or what-not, then that's different. Anyway, it's kinda irrevelant to talk about IR relationships, since everyone will be divided on this anyway.

gangsta_T

08-05-2003, 01:50 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 3 2003, 03:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> please explain to all of us how having white friends and dating white guys exclude her from being into her ethnic heritage.

please stop complaining about Asian women who do this. i'm asking you as an admin. [/b][/quote]
No problem guy. I'll be more than happy to explain why how having white friends and dating white guys exclude her from being into her ethnic heritage.

Check this out. It all comes down to time: How much time you voluntarily spend on something says a lot about you. If you spend your lunch break giggling with a bunch of white girls about how cute this and that white guy is[I was sitting across from them], head over to your white girlfriend's BBQ after work and act more white than necessary,[I invited to the BBQ too], threw yourself at a white guy that no white girl would find attractive [ the white guy is a friend of mine], etc. than chances are you aren't as into or proud of your heritage as you think you are. Dressing up in your ethnic cloths and telling everyone you are proud of your ethnicity for one day and spend the other 364 days of the year socializing exclusively with whites, trying hard to act "white" to make more white friends, trying evern harder to hook up with white rejects just says what I said it was: a "SELF HATRED SELLOUT." Shiet. It takes one to know one. I was almost whitewash as bad as she was, but at least I got some balls to face my bias helded view of white was better. That girl got no hope.

Oh, I wasn't complaining when I wrote that post. [Us conservative learned to hate that after hearing liberals complain/whine/bitch about racism this and that to an unnecessary point of annoyance]. Peace out SWKung.

gangsta_T

08-05-2003, 02:13 AM

So all you are basing this judgement on is the fact that she dresses in her traditional clothes, claims to be proud of her heritage, but doesn't have friends of her own culture? 

No, I am basing it on rough estimate of how she spends her time base from herself, her friends, friends of friends, friend of friends of friends.[ I am a noisy person :P]

That doesn't mean she WOULDN'T have friends of her own culture or that she thinks white people are better. 

The girl is getting ready to hit the big 30. She had plenty of time to make non white friends. Like we are really all that different. Shiet. She grew up in an Indian family and lives in multi-cultured center of US[ the Bay Area] and can't even find a close non white friend? LOL.

That just means that many of her friends don't share her culture with her.

It cool to have white friends. It's uncool to not admit that you might hold a bias view that white is better especially if you grew up with the media's influence.

It IS possible be proud of your heritage regardless of who you hang out with.

Yeah I know. You are talking to someone who almost exclusively dated white women, went to one of the whitest college in CA, had more white friends than any other races of friends, played "white" sports like rugby and ultimate frisbee, etc.

gangsta_T

08-05-2003, 02:20 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 3 2003, 09:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> how about this: i have a female Korean friend who goes for non-Asian guys. most Asian guys don't want to date her because she's not exactly skinny. is she a "sell-out"? [/b][/quote]
Nah man, she isn't a sellout. What she is a fat girl whose has to deal with the superficialness of most men. She choosing to now go out with non-Asian guys because she had some bad experience with Asian guys just says she thinks too much at the race level.

gangsta_T

08-05-2003, 02:35 AM

Dating a person of a different race isn't being called a sell-out. It's just being attracted to someone. Sometimes it doesn't have to make sense. Sheesh. If I started liking a white girl (which has happened many times. :lol: ) does that make me a sell-out.

Nah, it doesn't make you a sell-out. But you kinda have to ask yourself why you find white girls attractive. You can't just be attracted to someone. There's always an implicit social, cultural, environmental, or maybe even genetic factor that influence the way you see things. If most of the time you see faces and bodies of Pamela Anderson, Carmen Electra, Cameron Diaz and the likes on TV and at the movies, you are bound to find white girls attractive. If there werent' other factors to help balance your views, you are gonna carry around a very narrow view of attractiveness. Shiet. Honestly, physical feature wise, I still prefer white women over most other girls. Damn they look good with their soft curly blonde hair.....Bah! Now I got a concious to deal with.

maxdacat

08-05-2003, 02:52 AM

shy

08-05-2003, 06:30 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 5 2003, 01:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Nah man, she isn't a sellout. What she is a fat girl whose has to deal with the superficialness of most men. She choosing to now go out with non-Asian guys because she had some bad experience with Asian guys just says she thinks too much at the race level. [/b][/quote]
holy shit... how did it go back to HER having an attitude problem with asian men?

sure... she may be dating mostly non-asians right now. and hopefully if the right dude comes along and he's asian, she'll give him a chance. we don't know that because SWK's example was not explicit enough. though it's just damn amazing that can read between the lines (strong sarcasm applied).

not once in your statement, though, did you choose to perhaps conclude that it could have been an attitude of asian men's problem. not the superficianess of most men. if that were the case, these other non-asian men wouldn't be dating her either by your 'deductive reasoning'.

dude... growing up in a heavily asian populated highschool, and then dating in university with a large asian population (university of toronto), not many asian guys seemed to want to date me, either! i wasn't fat, but i was tall, muscular (more so then the other asian women on campus), broad shoulders and very chesty. i was even labelled 'an asian freak' just because i wasn't 'the norm' when compared to some of the female students from HK (back then, many visa students came here from HK).

believe me, i was still attracted to may asian men (my motto is that when it comes to being attracted to some one, it goes beyond the colour of their skin). i just had a harder time getting them to date me.

so... for the majority of the time, i dated a lot of non-asians. but that didn't mean that i wouldn't give an asian guy a chance. i have, in fact. it was just not that often.

now tell me... AM I A SELL OUT???

shy

08-05-2003, 06:32 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 5 2003, 01:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
No, I am basing it on rough estimate of how she spends her time base from herself, her friends, friends of friends, friend of friends of friends.[ I am a noisy person :P]

The girl is getting ready to hit the big 30. She had plenty of time to make non white friends. Like we are really all that different. Shiet. She grew up in an Indian family and lives in multi-cultured center of US[ the Bay Area] and can't even find a close non white friend? LOL.

It cool to have white friends. It's uncool to not admit that you might hold a bias view that white is better especially if you grew up with the media's influence.

Yeah I know. You are talking to someone who almost exclusively dated white women, went to one of the whitest college in CA, had more white friends than any other races of friends, played "white" sports like rugby and ultimate frisbee, etc. [/b][/quote]
dude... until you have enough guts to go up and ask her if all your assumptions of her is true, i just can't take you seriously.

shy

08-05-2003, 06:37 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 5 2003, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Nah, it doesn't make you a sell-out. But you kinda have to ask yourself why you find white girls attractive. You can't just be attracted to someone. There's always an implicit social, cultural, environmental, or maybe even genetic factor that influence the way you see things. [/b][/quote]
that is your own generalization... one that might suite your needs. but in all honestly, you talk about narrow mindedness? your attitude is very narrow minded.

for one thing, you don't give people the benefit of the doubt that they are with some one because they are in love with that person. NOT because they prefer to be with a white person or not.

attraction does stem past what is seen on the outside. there's more then just good looks to make a person fall for some one else. personality goes a long, long way.

Green_Circle

08-05-2003, 07:01 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> holy shit... how did it go back to HER having an attitude problem with asian men?

sure... she may be dating mostly non-asians right now. and hopefully if the right dude comes along and he's asian, she'll give him a chance. we don't know that because SWK's example was not explicit enough. though it's just damn amazing that can read between the lines (strong sarcasm applied).

not once in your statement, though, did you choose to perhaps conclude that it could have been an attitude of asian men's problem. not the superficianess of most men. if that were the case, these other non-asian men wouldn't be dating her either by your 'deductive reasoning'.

dude... growing up in a heavily asian populated highschool, and then dating in university with a large asian population (university of toronto), not many asian guys seemed to want to date me, either! i wasn't fat, but i was tall, muscular (more so then the other asian women on campus), broad shoulders and very chesty. i was even labelled 'an asian freak' just because i wasn't 'the norm' when compared to some of the female students from HK (back then, many visa students came here from HK).

believe me, i was still attracted to may asian men (my motto is that when it comes to being attracted to some one, it goes beyond the colour of their skin). i just had a harder time getting them to date me.

so... for the majority of the time, i dated a lot of non-asians. but that didn't mean that i wouldn't give an asian guy a chance. i have, in fact. it was just not that often.

now tell me... AM I A SELL OUT??? [/b][/quote]
I don't have a problem with 'chesty' women. But seriously, how do you know those Asian guys had that problem with you? Did they say they didn't want to date you because you're boobs are too big? HUH?

shy

08-05-2003, 07:09 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Green_Circle @ Aug 5 2003, 06:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> holy shit... how did it go back to HER having an attitude problem with asian men?

sure... she may be dating mostly non-asians right now. and hopefully if the right dude comes along and he's asian, she'll give him a chance. we don't know that because SWK's example was not explicit enough. though it's just damn amazing that can read between the lines (strong sarcasm applied).

not once in your statement, though, did you choose to perhaps conclude that it could have been an attitude of asian men's problem. not the superficianess of most men. if that were the case, these other non-asian men wouldn't be dating her either by your 'deductive reasoning'.

dude... growing up in a heavily asian populated highschool, and then dating in university with a large asian population (university of toronto), not many asian guys seemed to want to date me, either! i wasn't fat, but i was tall, muscular (more so then the other asian women on campus), broad shoulders and very chesty. i was even labelled 'an asian freak' just because i wasn't 'the norm' when compared to some of the female students from HK (back then, many visa students came here from HK).

believe me, i was still attracted to may asian men (my motto is that when it comes to being attracted to some one, it goes beyond the colour of their skin). i just had a harder time getting them to date me.

so... for the majority of the time, i dated a lot of non-asians. but that didn't mean that i wouldn't give an asian guy a chance. i have, in fact. it was just not that often.

now tell me... AM I A SELL OUT??? [/b][/quote]
I don't have a problem with 'chesty' women. But seriously, how do you know those Asian guys had that problem with you? Did they say they didn't want to date you because you're boobs are too big? HUH? [/b][/quote]
didn't you read what i wrote? they called me 'an asian freak!' shit. i thought that made it pretty clear... especially since i heard that expression one too many times.

and yes... before you jump down my throat again, the label was explained to me that it was due to my 'freakish asian body'.

here:

<img src='http://members.rogers.com/shy.eyes/images/bodyshot1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

for cryin' out loud...

SunWuKong

08-05-2003, 07:10 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 5 2003, 05:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You can't just be attracted to someone.  There's always an implicit social, cultural, environmental, or maybe even genetic  factor that influence the way you see things. [/b][/quote]
i disagree. i think it mostly have to do with your personal experience, which more often and not doesn't necessarily have anything to do with social, cultural, or environmental factors.

SunWuKong

08-05-2003, 07:14 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> not once in your statement, though, did you choose to perhaps conclude that it could have been an attitude of asian men's problem. not the superficianess of most men. if that were the case, these other non-asian men wouldn't be dating her either by your 'deductive reasoning'. [/b][/quote]
thank you. that's what i wanted to say. :)

Asian men (as well as many Asian women) will look down on girls who are slightly "bigger". the ironic thing is that i've seen them cut slack to white women. i think the attitude is that "oh, she's white. she's supposed to be fat/muscular/etc.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>dude... growing up in a heavily asian populated highschool, and then dating in university with a large asian population (university of toronto), not many asian guys seemed to want to date me, either! i wasn't fat, but i was tall, muscular (more so then the other asian women on campus), broad shoulders and very chesty. i was even labelled 'an asian freak' just because i wasn't 'the norm' when compared to some of the female students from HK (back then, many visa students came here from HK).[/b][/quote]

so let me get this straight... you're chesty? niiiiice... :dance:
hahhah alright, sorry for making light of a serious topic.
i like chesty. i also have a taiwanese friend who's AIM SN is "iwantccups" - i want c cups
oh i think plenty of Asian guys like chesty.

SunWuKong

08-05-2003, 07:21 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Green_Circle @ Aug 5 2003, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't have a problem with 'chesty' women. But seriously, how do you know those Asian guys had that problem with you? Did they say they didn't want to date you because you're boobs are too big? HUH? [/b][/quote]
i think a lot of Asian men as well as Asian women suffer from this mentality that people of the opposite sex of Asian descent wouldn't find them attractive. and for different reasons. Asian men think that they have been dealt a bad deck by popular media and stereotyping. Asian women think they don't fit the standards of what Asian men consider attractive.

sadly, all a part of being stygmatised for being Asian in the US/Canada, in my opinion.

Green_Circle

08-05-2003, 07:24 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Green_Circle @ Aug 5 2003, 06:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> holy shit... how did it go back to HER having an attitude problem with asian men?

sure... she may be dating mostly non-asians right now. and hopefully if the right dude comes along and he's asian, she'll give him a chance. we don't know that because SWK's example was not explicit enough. though it's just damn amazing that can read between the lines (strong sarcasm applied).

not once in your statement, though, did you choose to perhaps conclude that it could have been an attitude of asian men's problem. not the superficianess of most men. if that were the case, these other non-asian men wouldn't be dating her either by your 'deductive reasoning'.

dude... growing up in a heavily asian populated highschool, and then dating in university with a large asian population (university of toronto), not many asian guys seemed to want to date me, either! i wasn't fat, but i was tall, muscular (more so then the other asian women on campus), broad shoulders and very chesty. i was even labelled 'an asian freak' just because i wasn't 'the norm' when compared to some of the female students from HK (back then, many visa students came here from HK).

believe me, i was still attracted to may asian men (my motto is that when it comes to being attracted to some one, it goes beyond the colour of their skin). i just had a harder time getting them to date me.

so... for the majority of the time, i dated a lot of non-asians. but that didn't mean that i wouldn't give an asian guy a chance. i have, in fact. it was just not that often.

now tell me... AM I A SELL OUT??? [/b][/quote]
I don't have a problem with 'chesty' women. But seriously, how do you know those Asian guys had that problem with you? Did they say they didn't want to date you because you're boobs are too big? HUH? [/b][/quote]
didn't you read what i wrote? they called me 'an asian freak!' shit. i thought that made it pretty clear... especially since i heard that expression one too many times.

and yes... before you jump down my throat again, the label was explained to me that it was due to my 'freakish asian body'.

here:

<img src='http://members.rogers.com/shy.eyes/images/bodyshot1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

for cryin' out loud... [/b][/quote]
Sorry Shy, didn't mean to give the impession of jumping down your throat. After checking out that pic, I definitely see no poblem with your chest. Therefore I really don't think you have a problem with guys finding you unattractive. The poor victim role doesn't seem to fit. I don't see you sitting around waiting for the phone to ring. :rolleyes:

shy

08-05-2003, 07:31 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 5 2003, 06:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> is "iwantccups" - i want c cups
[/b][/quote]
i can't help your friend. i have D cups. and now that i'm prego's, i'm afraid of how much larger they will get! :blink:

oh i think plenty of Asian guys like chesty.

i think it's different now. i see more chest asian women here then i have before. times-a-changing. and hopefully, attitudes will change w/ time...

shy

08-05-2003, 07:33 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Green_Circle @ Aug 5 2003, 06:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Sorry Shy, didn't mean to give the impession of jumping down your throat. After checking out that pic, I definitely see no poblem with your chest. Therefore I really don't think you have a problem with guys finding you unattractive. The poor victim role doesn't seem to fit. I don't see you sitting around waiting for the phone to ring. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
haha! don't worry. i never played the victim role card. of course, at the time, i was a bit stunned w/ 'asian freak' and it did make me feel self-conscious (i was young).

but i wasn't the kind of gal to sit around waiting for the phone to ring. in fact, half the time, i was the one asking guys out on dates. i was pretty bold. :)

Green_Circle

08-05-2003, 07:42 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> haha! don't worry. i never played the victim role card. of course, at the time, i was a bit stunned w/ 'asian freak' and it did make me feel self-conscious (i was young).

but i wasn't the kind of gal to sit around waiting for the phone to ring. in fact, half the time, i was the one asking guys out on dates. i was pretty bold. :) [/b][/quote]
I'd be floored if a girl (with your assets) called me out for a date. Most Asian girls won't even give me the time of day. It seems that only White women give me any signs at all. What do you make of this?

shy

08-05-2003, 07:55 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Green_Circle @ Aug 5 2003, 06:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> haha! don't worry. i never played the victim role card. of course, at the time, i was a bit stunned w/ 'asian freak' and it did make me feel self-conscious (i was young).

but i wasn't the kind of gal to sit around waiting for the phone to ring. in fact, half the time, i was the one asking guys out on dates. i was pretty bold. :) [/b][/quote]
I'd be floored if a girl (with your assets) called me out for a date. Most Asian girls won't even give me the time of day. It seems that only White women give me any signs at all. What do you make of this? [/b][/quote]
i don't know... i'm not even sure what your ethnicity is? :unsure: are you asian too?

and if you are, what kind of signs/vibes have you received from asian women? what are the asian women like in your region?

also... believe it or not, maybe age group has something to do w/ it. because as i got older... like starting my mid-20's, i did start finding that it was easier to get dates with asian men. in fact, i had an exclusive one with this japanese guy. he was 7 years older then me.

point is, this attitude did seem to fit more the earlier, younger crowd that i experienced. not to make a generalization of age... because there were a good handfull of really mature students that i knew... but for the most part, a lot of the younger asian kids were still caught up more in style and looks and just... appearance.

so perhaps that's another varibable to consider... maturity level. because every race will have their immature bunch still waiting to grow up. you know?

kimpossible

08-05-2003, 11:35 AM

how could you have had a hard time getting a date because your boobies are too big? all straight guys want the booby. it reminds them of food and comfort.

but really shy, i think other girls were just jealous of you. my guess is the girls labeled you a freak out of insecurity. i'd eagerly take the title of freak if i could have a rack like that.

shy

08-05-2003, 11:51 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hello_Hapa @ Aug 5 2003, 10:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> how could you have had a hard time getting a date because your boobies are too big? all straight guys want the booby. it reminds them of food and comfort.

but really shy, i think other girls were just jealous of you. my guess is the girls labeled you a freak out of insecurity. i'd eagerly take the title of freak if i could have a rack like that. [/b][/quote]
actually, it wasn't the girls that called me a freak. ;)

but you are right. some of them were intimidated by the size of my boobs.

and um... this is going off topic! :lol:

it wasn't just the boobs though. i am a lot bigger then some of the other asian women on campus. and this might have to do w/ where my roots were from.

aren't women from northern china more taller and curvier?

Tao

08-05-2003, 11:53 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hello_Hapa @ Aug 5 2003, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> how could you have had a hard time getting a date because your boobies are too big? all straight guys want the booby. it reminds them of food and comfort.

but really shy, i think other girls were just jealous of you. my guess is the girls labeled you a freak out of insecurity. i'd eagerly take the title of freak if i could have a rack like that. [/b][/quote]
yes seriously, they are just jealous......i mean who in their right mind would call you a freak! :confused:

That sorta reminded me of that classic twilight zone episode where the beautiful girl wanted to get plastic surgery to look like the "norm" which was people with pig faces.

You've got nothing to be ashamed of...i'm sure SWK will concur on this one :P

gangsta_T

08-05-2003, 11:56 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 5 2003, 06:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i disagree. i think it mostly have to do with your personal experience, which more often and not doesn't necessarily have anything to do with social, cultural, or environmental factors. [/b][/quote]
Dude,your personal experience is through the social, cultural, and environmental. Let me try to be expand that out a little. Your family, friends, church, schools, clubs, TV, movies, newspaper, social standards, etc. explicitly and implicity all play a role in shaping your view of reality. Babies, kids, adolescent,etc.. grow up innocently accepting of the world. That's a lot of time being influence by the external factors. Until they reach a point where they can do some introspective searching and questioning of there views, they simply have no choice in shaping their views. Shiet, I bet I can make you learn to love fat ugly women if I started feeding messages/pictures/movies of that started when you were a baby and the external environment didn't play a big factor in your world.

Like you can make a mental trip and convince yourself that you are open minded and don't have bias, but that's just people trying to avoid a guilt trip of being uncivilize.

Do you believe what people say they are and what they say they prefer? Heck no. You look at the hard facts and where they spend their time. Do I buy into in this poor excuse like I been diss by so many asian men that I now prefer non asian guys. Heck no. It has a lot to do with you as it does with the other sides...

Shiet. Got to go to work. I respond to everyone else later. Peace out.

shy

08-05-2003, 12:26 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 5 2003, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Dude,your personal experience is through the social, cultural, and environmental. Let me try to be expand that out a little. Your family, friends, church, schools, clubs, TV, movies, newspaper, social standards, etc. explicitly and implicity all play a role in shaping your view of reality. Babies, kids, adolescent,etc.. grow up innocently accepting of the world. That's a lot of time being influence by the external factors. Until they reach a point where they can do some introspective searching and questioning of there views, they simply have no choice in shaping their views. Shiet, I bet I can make you learn to love fat ugly women if I started feeding messages/pictures/movies of that started when you were a baby and the external environment didn't play a big factor in your world.

Like you can make a mental trip and convince yourself that you are open minded and don't have bias, but that's just people trying to avoid a guilt trip of being uncivilize.

Do you believe what people say they are and what they say they prefer? Heck no. You look at the hard facts and where they spend their time. Do I buy into in this poor excuse like I been diss by so many asian men that I now prefer non asian guys. Heck no. It has a lot to do with you as it does with the other sides...

Shiet. Got to go to work. I respond to everyone else later. Peace out. [/b][/quote]
you're right. we are totally influenced by many variables which includes the environment and societal factors.

but you are trying to make this direct correlation that when asians are attracted to non-asians, specifically, caucasians, it's because there's an underlying notion that these people are sell-outs because their attraction is directly effected by such environmental and societal variables.

you have a point that SOME people are influenced negatively (i.e. in the wrong way) and therefore made to have the wrong intent by going after some one outside of their race.

but the problem what i have w/ your theory is that you are too one sided.

and that regardless of how you try to explain it, you cannot deny the fact that you could be misjudging a person if you use such a theory to such an extent. and that in the end, it is possible that the person you are judging is just being friends with some one, or in love with some one, due to a higher conscience and clarity.

for example, i really don't see my fiance as 'a white man'. he is, of course, but that is so not why i was attracted to him when i met him. in fact, my attraction towards him started only when i got to know him. before that, he was just some dude who's dragon boat team i wanted to beat!

ChairmanMah

08-05-2003, 12:37 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 06:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Green_Circle @ Aug 5 2003, 06:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> holy shit... how did it go back to HER having an attitude problem with asian men?

sure... she may be dating mostly non-asians right now. and hopefully if the right dude comes along and he's asian, she'll give him a chance. we don't know that because SWK's example was not explicit enough. though it's just damn amazing that can read between the lines (strong sarcasm applied).

not once in your statement, though, did you choose to perhaps conclude that it could have been an attitude of asian men's problem. not the superficianess of most men. if that were the case, these other non-asian men wouldn't be dating her either by your 'deductive reasoning'.

dude... growing up in a heavily asian populated highschool, and then dating in university with a large asian population (university of toronto), not many asian guys seemed to want to date me, either! i wasn't fat, but i was tall, muscular (more so then the other asian women on campus), broad shoulders and very chesty. i was even labelled 'an asian freak' just because i wasn't 'the norm' when compared to some of the female students from HK (back then, many visa students came here from HK).

believe me, i was still attracted to may asian men (my motto is that when it comes to being attracted to some one, it goes beyond the colour of their skin). i just had a harder time getting them to date me.

so... for the majority of the time, i dated a lot of non-asians. but that didn't mean that i wouldn't give an asian guy a chance. i have, in fact. it was just not that often.

now tell me... AM I A SELL OUT??? [/b][/quote]
I don't have a problem with 'chesty' women. But seriously, how do you know those Asian guys had that problem with you? Did they say they didn't want to date you because you're boobs are too big? HUH? [/b][/quote]
didn't you read what i wrote? they called me 'an asian freak!' shit. i thought that made it pretty clear... especially since i heard that expression one too many times.

and yes... before you jump down my throat again, the label was explained to me that it was due to my 'freakish asian body'.

here:

<img src='http://members.rogers.com/shy.eyes/images/bodyshot1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

for cryin' out loud... [/b][/quote]
WHOA! you got some talent there.

i'm need a star for my new movie and if your in the Vancouver area, i need an actress that looks just like you!!

SunWuKong

08-05-2003, 12:45 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 5 2003, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Dude,your personal experience is through the social, cultural, and environmental. Let me try to be expand that out a little. Your family, friends, church, schools, clubs, TV, movies, newspaper, social standards, etc. explicitly and implicity all play a role in shaping your view of reality. Babies, kids, adolescent,etc.. grow up innocently accepting of the world. That's a lot of time being influence by the external factors. Until they reach a point where they can do some introspective searching and questioning of there views, they simply have no choice in shaping their views. Shiet, I bet I can make you learn to love fat ugly women if I started feeding messages/pictures/movies of that started when you were a baby and the external environment didn't play a big factor in your world. [/b][/quote]
i'll give you an example. popular media doesn't exactly play up girls that are short and "stubby", or to put it in a nicer way - juicy. but that's how my first girlfriend was. she wasn't exactly skinny. she was best described as "juicy". and not tall either. since then, i've had a sexual fetish for girls with her body shape.

cultural? modern Asian cultures certainly don't exactly think that juicier girls are attractive. not American popular culture either.

social? no, not that either. skinny girls still got more attention in my social circles.

environmental? hmm... not sure what that means, but i think you get my drift already. hopefully.

your preferences are not always shaped by what's around you. you've got this neat little thing called free-will, you know.

SunWuKong

08-05-2003, 12:47 PM

alright anyway. let's get back on topic: shy's boobies.

yessssss...

shy

08-05-2003, 01:00 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChairmanMah @ Aug 5 2003, 11:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> WHOA! you got some talent there.

i'm need a star for my new movie and if your in the Vancouver area, i need an actress that looks just like you!! [/b][/quote]
sure... so long as your leading role happens to be a girl who is also pregnant. :D

hmm... should i be worried about such an offer? :huh:

kimpossible

08-05-2003, 01:01 PM

hey, there are such things as pregnancy and lactation porn.

SunWuKong

08-05-2003, 01:08 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hello_Hapa @ Aug 5 2003, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hey, there are such things as pregnancy and lactation porn. [/b][/quote]
you're such a pervert.

i love it.

Deadpool

08-05-2003, 02:07 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hello_Hapa @ Aug 5 2003, 12:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hey, there are such things as pregnancy and lactation porn. [/b][/quote]
Oh my lawwwd.

Dayum, Shy.
DAYUM.

gangsta_T

08-05-2003, 11:46 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 05:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> holy shit... how did it go back to HER having an attitude problem with asian men?

sure... she may be dating mostly non-asians right now. and hopefully if the right dude comes along and he's asian, she'll give him a chance. we don't know that because SWK's example was not explicit enough. though it's just damn amazing that can read between the lines (strong sarcasm applied).

not once in your statement, though, did you choose to perhaps conclude that it could have been an attitude of asian men's problem. not the superficianess of most men. if that were the case, these other non-asian men wouldn't be dating her either by your 'deductive reasoning'.

dude... growing up in a heavily asian populated highschool, and then dating in university with a large asian population (university of toronto), not many asian guys seemed to want to date me, either! i wasn't fat, but i was tall, muscular (more so then the other asian women on campus), broad shoulders and very chesty. i was even labelled 'an asian freak' just because i wasn't 'the norm' when compared to some of the female students from HK (back then, many visa students came here from HK).

believe me, i was still attracted to may asian men (my motto is that when it comes to being attracted to some one, it goes beyond the colour of their skin). i just had a harder time getting them to date me.

so... for the majority of the time, i dated a lot of non-asians. but that didn't mean that i wouldn't give an asian guy a chance. i have, in fact. it was just not that often.

now tell me... AM I A SELL OUT??? [/b][/quote]
holy shit... how did it go back to HER having an attitude problem with asian men?

Alright check this out girl. Yeah, SWK could have been more detailed with his example of the fat korean chick. But this is the scenario that I got. Fat girl finds some asians guys aren't attracted to her so now she decides that non asian guys are better for her. Shiet, thats like if some black folks mug yah, and now you don't associate with blacks. Should I feel sorry for the girl that she is getting no love? Yeah, I do. Do I think her decision to think at the race level and choose people of different races as her option? Heck no. Do yah feel me?

sure... she may be dating mostly non-asians right now. and hopefully if the right dude comes along and he's asian, she'll give him a chance. we don't know that because SWK's example was not explicit enough. though it's just damn amazing that can read between the lines (strong sarcasm applied).

Hey. He gave it like it is. I took what I can get from it. I expect a little miscommunication. If I assume something wrong, I be more than man enough to admit it. Don't worry. We can work it out. Shiet, there's no need to get angry.

not once in your statement, though, did you choose to perhaps conclude that it could have been an attitude of asian men's problem.

Because I don't think asian men in general are as bad off as any other men of other races. Do you?

not the superficianess of most men. if that were the case, these other non-asian men wouldn't be dating her either by your 'deductive reasoning'.

Oh, so you would think asian men are more superficial and non-asian men are more accepting? LOL. Ma'am, anyone who assumes that need to get their head check.

dude... growing up in a heavily asian populated highschool, and then dating in university with a large asian population (university of toronto), not many asian guys seemed to want to date me, either! i wasn't fat, but i was tall, muscular (more so then the other asian women on campus), broad shoulders and very chesty. i was even labelled 'an asian freak' just because i wasn't 'the norm' when compared to some of the female students from HK (back then, many visa students came here from HK).  believe me, i was still attracted to may asian men (my motto is that when it comes to being attracted to some one, it goes beyond the colour of their skin). i just had a harder time getting them to date me.

If you look the way you do in the picture, than I think you are exaggerating about how other Asians percieve you. You definitely not ugly. If you seem like the zestful character you are in the picture than I think you really are just using tidbits like you were label "an asian freak," your larger frame, etc. as an excuse for whatever reasons. Shiet, you said so yourself. You're not the type of girl who waits around Honestly, if you were attracted to an Asian guy and he knows, you got a really high chance of hooking up. Maybe you were more Canadianize/Americanize than the other Asians and they don't mentally connect with you. If that was the case, than say that. But don't waste your time excusing yourself. Say something more credible than somethings as superfical as Asian guys didn't like me because of my body frame, was label "an asian freak", etc. .

so... for the majority of the time, i dated a lot of non-asians. but that didn't mean that i wouldn't give an asian guy a chance. i have, in fact. it was just not that often. now tell me... AM I A SELL OUT???

Well since you ask....Honestly, if I were to take what you wrote so far and that picture of you unshamefully flashing your breast for the Internet as an indicator of who you are, than I have to say you are very pop cutlured Canadianize/Americanize where you would not have much in common with the more docile traditional Asians that I am aware of and that Canadianist/Americanist in you skewed your view of asians. What you think? Am I off the mark by a zillion mile? Peace out shy.

gangsta_T

08-06-2003, 12:11 AM

that is your own generalization... one that might suite your needs. but in all honestly, you talk about narrow mindedness? your attitude is very narrow minded.

??? Where did I talk about narrow mindedness? You shouldn't bother debating what you perceive of me and address my post. It'll make less miscommunication. Also, trust me when I say I am very fun,open-minded person with strong beliefs.

for one thing, you don't give people the benefit of the doubt that they are with some one because they are in love with that person. NOT because they prefer to be with a white person or not.

Shiet lady. Who says I don't give people the benefit of the doubt. Lady, you taking my one example of a sellout waaaaaaaaaaaay too personal.

attraction does stem past what is seen on the outside. there's more then just good looks to make a person fall for some one else. personality goes a long, long way.

I agree.

BeTheReds

08-06-2003, 12:13 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hello_Hapa @ Aug 6 2003, 05:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hey, there are such things as pregnancy and lactation porn. [/b][/quote]
Yes.

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NO I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT!!!!!

gangsta_T

08-06-2003, 12:28 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 05:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 5 2003, 01:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
No, I am basing it on rough estimate of how she spends her time base from herself, her friends, friends of friends, friend of friends of friends.[ I am a noisy person :P]

The girl is getting ready to hit the big 30.  She had plenty of time to make non white friends.  Like we are really all that different.  Shiet.  She grew up in an Indian family and lives in multi-cultured center of US[ the Bay Area] and can't even find a close non white friend?  LOL.

It cool to have white friends. It's uncool to not admit that you might hold a bias view that white is better especially if you grew up with the media's influence.

Yeah I know.  You are talking to someone who almost exclusively dated white women, went to one of the whitest college in CA, had more white friends than any other races of friends, played "white" sports like rugby and ultimate frisbee,  etc. [/b][/quote]
dude... until you have enough guts to go up and ask her if all your assumptions of her is true, i just can't take you seriously. [/b][/quote]
umm...Okay, what you think about this. I just walk up to her and say...

"Hey, I think you got a problem with thinking white is better and I like you to look inside yourself and start questioning your held views. I've developed this chart that shows the amount of time you spend with all the racial groups you encounter this year. From the data collected, the chart shows that you prefer to associate with White folks 99.999% of the year which to me seems to contradicts your claim of you being proud of your heritage at the celebration we had. I accidently label you a sellout because everytime I am around you, you seem to be so fond of white folks. Now everything dorky white guy thinks you are easy. Honestly, I don't think you are playing down that perception with you throwing yourself on Steve like that but of course I want to give you the benefit of a doubt. When you are done with your soul searching, can you tell me if you are a sellout or not? And remember, I am asking you because care about you and not because I am resentful"

:P...Hows that? You think it's good?

YuheiCarreau

08-06-2003, 12:39 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 6 2003, 02:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If you look the way you do in the picture, than I think you are exaggerating about how other Asians percieve you. You definitely not ugly. If you seem like the zestful character you are in the picture than I think you really are just using tidbits like you were label "an asian freak," your larger frame, etc. as an excuse for whatever reasons. Shiet, you said so yourself. You're not the type of girl who waits around Honestly, if you were attracted to an Asian guy and he knows, you got a really high chance of hooking up. Maybe you were more Canadianize/Americanize than the other Asians and they don't mentally connect with you. If that was the case, than say that. But don't waste your time excusing yourself. Say something more credible than somethings as superfical as Asian guys didn't like me because of my body frame, was label "an asian freak", etc. .

Well since you ask....Honestly, if I were to take what you wrote so far and that picture of you unshamefully flashing your breast for the Internet as an indicator of who you are, than I have to say you are very pop cutlured Canadianize/Americanize where you would not have much in common with the more docile traditional Asians that I am aware of and that Canadianist/Americanist in you skewed your view of asians. What you think? Am I off the mark by a zillion mile? Peace out shy. [/b][/quote]
Despite the fact that Shy asked you straight out if you think she fits the definition of "sell-out", this and some of your other posts are clearly crossing the line into personal attack.

Read the forum rules (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?showtopic=149). Then smash your face up against the monitor real good, in case the type is too itty-bitty to make out, and read these two out loud to yourself:
Respect your fellow yellow members.</li> Please refrain from personal attacks or overly-negative posts. The forums are a place of discussion and debate, not attacking and hate.</li>
Capiche?

Deadpool

08-06-2003, 01:13 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Aug 5 2003, 11:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yes.

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NO I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT!!!!! [/b][/quote]
Maybe shy can help us out on that.... :P
Oh gawd im just joking................... ;)

gangsta_T

08-06-2003, 01:14 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 5 2003, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gangsta_T @ Aug 5 2003, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Dude,your personal experience is through the social, cultural, and environmental.  Let me try to be expand that out a little.  Your family, friends, church, schools, clubs, TV, movies, newspaper, social standards, etc.  explicitly and implicity all play a role in shaping your view of reality.  Babies, kids, adolescent,etc.. grow up innocently accepting of the world.  That's a lot of time being influence by the external factors.  Until they reach a point where they can do some introspective searching and questioning of there views, they simply have no choice in shaping their views.  Shiet, I bet I can make you learn to love fat ugly women if I started feeding messages/pictures/movies of that started when you were a baby and the external environment didn't play a big factor in your w