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Emperor_Mike

07-30-2003, 01:44 AM

What are your greatest fears? I'll start:

1) God
2) Mediocrity
3) Very large water-based carnivores

moschikat

07-30-2003, 02:18 AM

cockroaches.

esp. those big nasty flying ones!! >_<

DragonKnight

07-30-2003, 02:23 AM

1) Heights
2) Spiders

Hiroshi2

07-30-2003, 02:27 AM

Yeah I suppose I do have fear of God (or actually more like fear of bad karma, I swear that shit's real).

Also I'm a bit claustrophobic. That's why I could never see myself sleeping in those capsule hotels they have in Japan, that's too much.

Oh yeah, and fear of intimacy. And of being betrayed. Oh yes, I'm a psychological wreck.

teaz0r

07-30-2003, 03:32 AM

abstinence.

Fireblade

07-30-2003, 04:12 AM

Parents
Heights
Betrayal.

artsfartsyjanet

07-30-2003, 11:42 AM

being in jail
God
betrayal
spiders or any crawling rodent

rice cracker

07-30-2003, 11:54 AM

Serial Killers
Deep Water
Vampires
Germs

RasFarengi

07-30-2003, 11:55 AM

Having to use Viagra one day

Dying in a painful way or any kind of extreme physical pain

Being stuck on a career path I hate

Having to spend New Years with my Grandmother-inlaw again :cry:

Reruns of 90210/Friends/Buffy the Vampire Slayer...you get the picture. :o

AliBabaIncorporated

07-30-2003, 12:32 PM

Prostate cancer
Blindness
Potatoes

BeTheReds

07-30-2003, 12:54 PM

Nuclear War
Death
Lonliness
My teeth rotting and falling out.

thaite

07-30-2003, 01:19 PM

that something might happen and I could never eat Thai food again.

ChinaLama

07-30-2003, 08:01 PM

Death.

Eros

07-30-2003, 09:33 PM

Centipedes (well, almost any extremely poiseness/disease-ridden bug, but especially centipedes).

Heights (sort of...  only when it feels unsafe, like a cliff without a rail, but I'm fine if appears safe, like a cliff with a rail).

Deedlit

08-01-2003, 02:32 AM

I fear...

death.
getting sodomised.
betrayal.
Jerry springer winning the US senate in Ohio.
the constant overpopulation of our planet.
the irreversible destruction of our environment.
impotency.
regression.
pseudogynecomastia.
the extinction of my race.
helplessness.
welfare babies.
world war III.
religion.
welfare leeches.
tumors.
dark energy, pushing galaxies apart.

Hiroshi2

08-01-2003, 02:39 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deedlit @ Aug 1 2003, 03:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I fear...

getting sodomised.
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Are you in jail or something?

Faithless

08-01-2003, 02:51 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Jul 29 2003, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What are your greatest fears? I'll start:

1) God
2) Mediocrity
3) Very large water-based carnivores [/b][/quote]
God? Jesus.  :rolleyes: I look forward to the second coming. I hope it lives up to its billing.

My family are my biggest concerns.  The health and safety of my wife and kids always worry me. There are a lot of weirdos out there. Life is filled with unforeseen circumstances.

Deedlit

08-01-2003, 03:09 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hiroshi2 @ Aug 1 2003, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deedlit @ Aug 1 2003, 03:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I fear...

getting sodomised.
[/b][/quote]
Are you in jail or something? [/b][/quote]
not yet. (hopefully) never.

flying
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...hannel_flight_3 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030731/ap_on_re_eu/france_channel_flight_3)
cancer
Myiasis
http://in.news.yahoo.com/030624/43/25eim.html

achtungbaby

08-01-2003, 06:42 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Jul 30 2003, 12:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What are your greatest fears? [/b][/quote]
Pure, unadulterated failure.

(I've been living in fear lately :ph34r: )

Hiroshi2

08-01-2003, 02:31 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deedlit @ Aug 1 2003, 04:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hiroshi2 @ Aug 1 2003, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deedlit @ Aug 1 2003, 03:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I fear...

getting sodomised.
[/b][/quote]
Are you in jail or something? [/b][/quote]
not yet. (hopefully) never.

flying
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...hannel_flight_3 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030731/ap_on_re_eu/france_channel_flight_3)
cancer
Myiasis
http://in.news.yahoo.com/030624/43/25eim.html [/b][/quote]
*shrugs*

I just thought it was kind of weird that you had a fear of being sodomized. But then again, I actually had a dream last night that somebody came up and kicked me in the balls and then squeezed them really hard, so now I'm a little paranoid of that happening.

Eros

08-01-2003, 03:16 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hiroshi2 @ Aug 1 2003, 03:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deedlit @ Aug 1 2003, 04:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hiroshi2 @ Aug 1 2003, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deedlit @ Aug 1 2003, 03:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I fear...

getting sodomised.
[/b][/quote]
Are you in jail or something? [/b][/quote]
not yet. (hopefully) never.

flying
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...hannel_flight_3 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030731/ap_on_re_eu/france_channel_flight_3)
cancer
Myiasis
http://in.news.yahoo.com/030624/43/25eim.html [/b][/quote]
*shrugs*

I just thought it was kind of weird that you had a fear of being sodomized. But then again, I actually had a dream last night that somebody came up and kicked me in the balls and then squeezed them really hard, so now I'm a little paranoid of that happening. [/b][/quote]
You mean that isn't normal foreplay?  ;)

And, yes, that's sarcasm.

angel nympho

08-01-2003, 03:27 PM

Lightning, the dark, heights.  Oh yeah, and being in a portapotty during an earthquake.

rice cracker

08-01-2003, 03:29 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angel nympho @ Aug 1 2003, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh yeah, and being in a portapotty during an earthquake. [/b][/quote]
A perfectly legitimate fear, in my book :)

Emperor_Mike

08-01-2003, 03:56 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 1 2003, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Jul 29 2003, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What are your greatest fears? I'll start:

1) God
2) Mediocrity
3) Very large water-based carnivores [/b][/quote]
God? Jesus. :rolleyes: I look forward to the second coming. I hope it lives up to its billing.

My family are my biggest concerns. The health and safety of my wife and kids always worry me. There are a lot of weirdos out there. Life is filled with unforeseen circumstances. [/b][/quote]
Yes, God. Is that so surprising? I'm a devout Roman Catholic (though perhaps a bit too "questioning" for my peers) and besides, anyone who created all we see around us (nature wise) is very likely in possession of the capability to muddle up the lives of mere mortals such as myself. :D

nonamerasian

08-01-2003, 04:51 PM

I fear not doing the things I want or need to do because of fear.

Faithless

08-02-2003, 12:20 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Aug 1 2003, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yes, God. Is that so surprising? I'm a devout Roman Catholic (though perhaps a bit too "questioning" for my peers) and besides, anyone who created all we see around us (nature wise) is very likely in possession of the capability to muddle up the lives of mere mortals such as myself. :D [/b][/quote]
If it is in possession of the capability to muddle up the lives of mere mortals, who should I really fear when I have gun stuck in my face -- the guy about to blow my head off or god?

God the puppet master. Don't buy it, myself, but your welcome to your beliefs. I have a more optimistic view of god -- something that creates life, and beautiful life at that, wouldn't have the heart to destroy it.

It's kind of a perverse thought that god could put this guy with a gun in front of me, cause me to declare, "god help me!", then allow him to blow me away. That's not god, that's the devil (or free will).

If I have any fear in relation to god, it is that it has given us too much free will.  :rolleyes:

Emperor_Mike

08-02-2003, 12:34 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 1 2003, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If it is in possession of the capability to muddle up the lives of mere mortals, who should I really fear when I have gun stuck in my face -- the guy about to blow my head off or god?

God the puppet master. Don't buy it, myself, but your welcome to your beliefs. I have a more optimistic view of god -- something that creates life, and beautiful life at that, wouldn't have the heart to destroy it.

It's kind of a perverse thought that god could put this guy with a gun in front of me, cause me to declare, "god help me!", then allow him to blow me away. That's not god, that's the devil (or free will).

If I have any fear in relation to god, it is that it has given us too much free will. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
My Ultra-Catholic friends would probably say, "Well, it's up to God whether or not you will live to see another day and if you do not, then there's always a reason for it." :D

God is a good force, yes, but it's not exactly possible to determine whether or not said force is capable of intervention in affairs with outcomes that are anything less than helpful. Who's to say that God as we know Him is only one such entity? If we consider the aspect of Duality (putting the "DemiUrge" into play) God may not be "God" but rather a demiurge, or "Lesser God." What if the DemiUrge is the one running things while the "real" God, benevolent Creator of the world and the DemiUrge that He is, watches humanity with detached interest? It's pretty astounding to think that Christianity as we know it was founded to worship a lesser immortal while the *real* Creator remains unseen or unheard of. If the DemiUrge is capable of Good and Evil, then there's every bit a reason to fear "God" as some people do.

Obviously, the subject is built entirely on theories. But my explanation on Duality does make one think, doesn't it? :)

Faithless

08-02-2003, 01:00 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Aug 1 2003, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My Ultra-Catholic friends would probably say, "Well, it's up to God whether or not you will live to see another day and if you do not, then there's always a reason for it." :D

God is a good force, yes, but it's not exactly possible to determine whether or not said force is capable of intervention in affairs with outcomes that are anything less than helpful. Who's to say that God as we know Him is only one such entity? If we consider the aspect of Duality (putting the "DemiUrge" into play) God may not be "God" but rather a demiurge, or "Lesser God." What if the DemiUrge is the one running things while the "real" God, benevolent Creator of the world and the DemiUrge that He is, watches humanity with detached interest? It's pretty astounding to think that Christianity as we know it was founded to worship a lesser immortal while the *real* Creator remains unseen or unheard of. If the DemiUrge is capable of Good and Evil, then there's every bit a reason to fear "God" as some people do.

Obviously, the subject is built entirely on theories. But my explanation on Duality does make one think, doesn't it? :) [/b][/quote]
I hear what you are saying, but being a Catholic, then, doesn't what you say go against the Catholic (if not Christian) principle of god the father, the son, and the holy spirit?

In this discussion, I thought of something else I fear: conservative religions control on our personal lives.  :frown:

angel nympho

08-02-2003, 01:10 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 2 2003, 07:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Aug 1 2003, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My Ultra-Catholic friends would probably say, "Well, it's up to God whether or not you will live to see another day and if you do not, then there's always a reason for it." :D

God is a good force, yes, but it's not exactly possible to determine whether or not said force is capable of intervention in affairs with outcomes that are anything less than helpful. Who's to say that God as we know Him is only one such entity? If we consider the aspect of Duality (putting the "DemiUrge" into play) God may not be "God" but rather a demiurge, or "Lesser God." What if the DemiUrge is the one running things while the "real" God, benevolent Creator of the world and the DemiUrge that He is, watches humanity with detached interest? It's pretty astounding to think that Christianity as we know it was founded to worship a lesser immortal while the *real* Creator remains unseen or unheard of. If the DemiUrge is capable of Good and Evil, then there's every bit a reason to fear "God" as some people do.

Obviously, the subject is built entirely on theories. But my explanation on Duality does make one think, doesn't it? :) [/b][/quote]
I hear what you are saying, but being a Catholic, then, doesn't what you say go against the Catholic (if not Christian) principle of god the father, the son, and the holy spirit?

In this discussion, I thought of something else I fear: conservative religions control on our personal lives. :frown: [/b][/quote]
I'm with you on that. Faith is a great thing for a person to have..... Organized religion, however, was man's first mistake.

Emperor_Mike

08-02-2003, 01:12 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 1 2003, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Aug 1 2003, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My Ultra-Catholic friends would probably say, "Well, it's up to God whether or not you will live to see another day and if you do not, then there's always a reason for it." :D

God is a good force, yes, but it's not exactly possible to determine whether or not said force is capable of intervention in affairs with outcomes that are anything less than helpful. Who's to say that God as we know Him is only one such entity? If we consider the aspect of Duality (putting the "DemiUrge" into play) God may not be "God" but rather a demiurge, or "Lesser God." What if the DemiUrge is the one running things while the "real" God, benevolent Creator of the world and the DemiUrge that He is, watches humanity with detached interest? It's pretty astounding to think that Christianity as we know it was founded to worship a lesser immortal while the *real* Creator remains unseen or unheard of. If the DemiUrge is capable of Good and Evil, then there's every bit a reason to fear "God" as some people do.

Obviously, the subject is built entirely on theories. But my explanation on Duality does make one think, doesn't it? :) [/b][/quote]
I hear what you are saying, but being a Catholic, then, doesn't what you say go against the Catholic (if not Christian) principle of god the father, the son, and the holy spirit?

In this discussion, I thought of something else I fear: conservative religions control on our personal lives. :frown: [/b][/quote]
I'm a devout Catholic on certain levels only, which may seem peculiar. You might say that I'm spiritual rather than religious. I believe that there is *a* God (or some grand all-seeing and all-knowing entity, if you will) but I'm not one to read into things literally like some of my peers. Besides, what's to say that the concept of Duality cannot be adapted to fit the aspect of the Holy Trinity? Let's suppose the God of the Old Testament was the Demiurge, as aptly displayed by His penchant for punishing the errant with floods, plagues and such. Christ in the New Testament can just as well be the physical manifestation of the "real" God, which may be interpreted as being the Holy Spirit.

Religion is a powerful element that gives people comfort in their every day lives. It should not, however, be used to justify actions that have the ability to do harm to others. Adherence to a set of beliefs is, in my opinion, one of the most important things a person should have in their lives. I won't go into my life story here, but it was through my faith in God (and to some extent the Catholic Church) that I managed to overcome a horrible string of personal tragedies that would have likely broken a lesser individual and perhaps driven him or her to contemplate the unthinkable. If what happened to me did not occur I suppose I probably won't be as devoted a Catholic as I am today. It was through a hardy emotional and psychological constitution and competence coupled with unshakable faith that gave me what I needed to destroy the barriers I was confronted with. In all honesty, I don't think all the brains and ability in the world would have extricated me from the dire straits I was in without some "help" from the Man Upstairs. Some things are just out of your control and that's where God (or Fate, whatever) steps in.

In the end, everyone needs something to believe in. It doesn't have to be an organised religion, but there has to be an element in our lives (preferably a good one) that we can hold on to during the dark periods of our existence and that ties in with having faith in yourself and in some Higher Power. Without it, we're just hollow, fragile shells of meat and bone prone to collapse in the face of severe adversity. Some may think of religion and faith as an crutch in times of need, but ask yourself this: would you rather have a crutch to lean on when you cannot walk for the time being or do you prefer to fall flat on your face? The answer is pretty obvious.

Faithless

08-06-2003, 12:50 PM

In the end, everyone needs something to believe in. It doesn't have to be an organised religion, but there has to be an element in our lives (preferably a good one) that we can hold on to during the dark periods of our existence and that ties in with having faith in yourself and in some Higher Power.

That's if you've got the time to worry about that stuff. Sometimes, I get so wrapped up in the day-to-day, that religion or spirituality is a never-thought.

But even when I have time to reflect it is more in the order of why do people believe in this stuff? Fear of death, I think, is the original factor.

TyroneK(prettypretty)

08-06-2003, 01:21 PM

Dying like a chump (e.g. begging for a killer not to kill me, getting hit by a chunk of stray airliner, something horrible that will win me a Darwin award, etc.)

amietron

08-06-2003, 01:54 PM

I'm philophobic.

moJo

08-06-2003, 02:32 PM

- earthquakes
- parents dying :cry:
- betrayal
- failure

coagulated fat

08-06-2003, 02:59 PM

abandonment
deceit
craving applesauce when no one else is home to open the new applesauce jar

Eros

08-07-2003, 12:01 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>That's if you've got the time to worry about that stuff. Sometimes, I get so wrapped up in the day-to-day, that religion or spirituality is a never-thought.
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You still need something to believe in. Something to explain the "why things are." In my opinion, even science requires some faith (look how fast thoeris can be disproven or that the scientific method even states that theories need the possibilities to be false). And, before you argue it's fact, does an apple fall because a force pulls down on it or because mass distorts space-time so that it's just moving in the direction that space is moving.

And, on a totally side note, this post made me level up. *does silly Final Fantasy sprite level up dance*

Faithless

08-07-2003, 01:15 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eros @ Aug 6 2003, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> And, before you argue it's fact, does an apple fall because a force pulls down on it or because mass distorts space-time so that it's just moving in the direction that space is moving. [/b][/quote]
Whatever the reasoning, I don't think it's god's doing. All I need to know is, unless given some other external forces acting upon that apple, it will go in a slightly parabolic path toward the ground.

So, I better not be sitting under it.

Emperor_Mike

08-07-2003, 01:36 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 6 2003, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
That's if you've got the time to worry about that stuff. Sometimes, I get so wrapped up in the day-to-day, that religion or spirituality is a never-thought.

But even when I have time to reflect it is more in the order of why do people believe in this stuff? Fear of death, I think, is the original factor. [/b][/quote]
Getting wrapped up in day-to-day business and not having the time to think of these things is good because it means you have something to keep yourself occupied. In fact, it takes extraordinary discipline (or faith) to adhere to your religious/spiritual beliefs whilst having the world in the palm of your hands. The thinking goes, "I have nearly everything I want so why do I still need to pray to God?" Some people do it because they have *real* faith and not faith borne of severe crises in their lives. For better or for worse, I count myself among those who do and I find that I'm a better person for it. Some think that believing in God serves as a psychological pillar of strength during times of need when "miracles" are often prayed for in conjunction with actual work on the part of the troubled. My views are similar, though certainly not exposed in such a glaring light of extreme cynicism. Pragmatic Catholics (Christians) some of us may be, but a line has to be drawn between wishing to see the world as it really is and casting aside the very faith that sustained many through their hour of need.

Naturally, the whole discussion goes back to having something to hold on to when life kicks us in the ass. For religious literalists it could mean that the Man Upstairs will swoop down from Heaven with an arm full of "Instant-Miracles" to save them from despair whilst they do absolutely nothing but sit and wait. Of course, disappointment will be the end-result, but to them a negative outcome will be due to the fact that it's "God's will." Other, more practical minded people will pray for that extra 1% to go with a 99% effort, since as I mentioned before, there are things in life that are clearly beyond the control of mortal hands.

Lastly, I agree that quite a few people find the root of their religious beliefs in a fear or wanting of an afterlife. Others just want something to motivate them to do good works like participate in charities and the like. Everyone has their reason and to attempt to pin it to a single point of focus is really quite impossible. :)

Personally, I'm not afraid of dying and to be frank, like you said, CM, who has the time to think about trivial things their own mortality in this day and age? The world awaits and all that.

Emperor_Mike

08-07-2003, 01:39 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 6 2003, 11:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Whatever the reasoning, I don't think it's god's doing. All I need to know is, unless given some other external forces acting upon that apple, it will go in a slightly parabolic path toward the ground.

So, I better not be sitting under it. [/b][/quote]
God is a scientist and engineer, I say. He builds the foundations and we work to our own ends using those principles. I hardly think He has the time to nitpick over *everything.* All knowing He may be, but everyone hates mundane tasks. :D

Eros

08-07-2003, 12:36 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 7 2003, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Whatever the reasoning, I don't think it's god's doing. All I need to know is, unless given some other external forces acting upon that apple, it will go in a slightly parabolic path toward the ground.

So, I better not be sitting under it. [/b][/quote]
That's an assumption. It's arguable whether past experiences should dictate how future experience are to happen. Meh... we probably shouldn't drag this too far into a philosophical discussion. I do agree that, at times, there are more immediate things to concentrate on than religion/spirituality.

Emperor_Mike

08-07-2003, 03:02 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eros @ Aug 7 2003, 10:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 7 2003, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Whatever the reasoning, I don't think it's god's doing. All I need to know is, unless given some other external forces acting upon that apple, it will go in a slightly parabolic path toward the ground.

So, I better not be sitting under it. [/b][/quote]
...I do agree that, at times, there are more immediate things to concentrate on than religion/spirituality. [/b][/quote]
Naturally. Unless you're hoping and praying feverishly for God to provide you with groceries, petrol, a vehicle, and a house, you'd better be out there working.

Faithless

08-07-2003, 04:19 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eros @ Aug 7 2003, 10:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 7 2003, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Whatever the reasoning, I don't think it's god's doing. All I need to know is, unless given some other external forces acting upon that apple, it will go in a slightly parabolic path toward the ground.

So, I better not be sitting under it. [/b][/quote]
That's an assumption. It's arguable whether past experiences should dictate how future experience are to happen. Meh... we probably shouldn't drag this too far into a philosophical discussion. I do agree that, at times, there are more immediate things to concentrate on than religion/spirituality. [/b][/quote]
We don't argue at YW; we have healthy discussions. :rolleyes:

If you feel like I'm badgering you, PM me, and let me know. I just like putting-out my negative view of religion. :)

Faithless

08-07-2003, 04:20 PM

Do people really fear the almight?

If so, why?

Eros

08-07-2003, 04:29 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 7 2003, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Do people really fear the almight?

If so, why? [/b][/quote]
Well, he was a vengeful God, producing plagues, famine, smiting people, and even wiped out all but two people. Plus, he has a nasty habit of damning people to eternal suffering.

If you want some less religious ideas, it could be because the Jewish God most likely used to be a pagan volcanoe god (look at his rage and the importance of mountains in the old testament). As for Christianity, the Romen emporer who first spread Christiany supposedly chose it because none of the other religions fit so well with his war/conquering ideals. Both leads the God of both testaments to be rather less than a flower child.

Of course, people might have more personal reasons. As don't follow the Abraham religions I don't really have a fear of God.

Emperor_Mike

08-07-2003, 05:29 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 7 2003, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Do people really fear the almight?

If so, why? [/b][/quote]
Wasn't this the question that led to our exchanges on religion and fear of God in the first place? I think I gave a rather good explanation of the reasons and causes behind the issue. Eros has re-stated it above, in any case.

Someone should start a YW thread on religion. Has this been done yet?

Eros

08-07-2003, 11:41 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Aug 7 2003, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wasn't this the question that led to our exchanges on religion and fear of God in the first place? I think I gave a rather good explanation of the reasons and causes behind the issue. Eros has re-stated it above, in any case.

Someone should start a YW thread on religion. Has this been done yet? [/b][/quote]
Hmm... I must have skipped over those when I read this post before. Nice job getting into the gnostic idea of the demiurge.

I dunno if religion threads would be good. While some of the posts would be very interesting to read, many times religion debates turn into rants. However, this place seems to be less prone to rants than other places.

Faithless

08-07-2003, 11:52 PM

I was looking to see if anyone else had these fears. I think there's more fear of this thread. :(

Emperor_Mike

08-08-2003, 12:13 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChottoMatte @ Aug 7 2003, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I was looking to see if anyone else had these fears. I think there's more fear of this thread. :( [/b][/quote]
Eh? Fear of this thread? How so?

Ogumo

08-08-2003, 10:51 PM

Something happening to my eyes. Being burned alive. Another atomic attack. Starving to death. Most of all I fear the dark.

Faithless

08-08-2003, 11:23 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ogumo @ Aug 8 2003, 08:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Something happening to my eyes. [/b][/quote]
That would suck-- after witnessing so much beauty in this world.

Ogumo

08-08-2003, 11:28 PM

Was this sarcasim?

Adaon

08-09-2003, 02:42 AM

Suffocation, asphixiation, being abandoned/left alone, death via a piece of crap falling from the sky, getting swallowed by the earth/oceans, being blinded and sent into a field of rakes......the list goes on and on

DonDaBomb2

08-10-2003, 11:37 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Adaon @ Aug 9 2003, 12:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ...death via a piece of crap falling from the sky... [/b][/quote]
I have a fear of getting crushed to death by falling durians. :D

TyTea36

08-10-2003, 12:32 PM

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Faithless

08-10-2003, 04:39 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ogumo @ Aug 8 2003, 09:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Was this sarcasim? [/b][/quote]
Was what sarcasm?

Ogumo

08-10-2003, 10:11 PM

"That would suck-- after witnessing so much beauty in this world."

Emperor_Mike

08-10-2003, 10:25 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ogumo @ Aug 10 2003, 08:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> "That would suck-- after witnessing so much beauty in this world." [/b][/quote]
Yes, I think CM intended it to be sarcastic. The world is an ugly place and there are days when I wish I could collect all of Humanity's biggest troublemakers, stick them into a giant food processor and set it puree.

Ogumo

08-10-2003, 10:26 PM

Indeed so do I...

Emperor_Mike

08-10-2003, 10:30 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ogumo @ Aug 10 2003, 08:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Indeed so do I... [/b][/quote]
Glad we think alike.