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AngryABCGirl

07-12-2003, 06:06 PM

The debate that never ends or the bashing that never ends is all about Asian women who date white guys or exclusively date white guys, but what about any other kind of racial preference?

Most Asian women I know will only date Asian men. Many Asian women I know will only choose to date Asian men within their nationality or even only ones that speak a local dialect in whatever part of Asia that they or their family were from. Do you consider this exclusive dating behavior just if an Asian woman only went for white guys?

Or how about this, is it racist if a white guy only dates white women? Or black women only date black men?

Are certain combinations just worse then others? Is it better for an Asian women to date white than date black?

Or are we just screwing ourselves asking questions like these or thinking like this all the time when we should just date whoever seems like a good person to be with?

AngryABCGirl

07-12-2003, 06:07 PM

Oy, sorry about the repeat posts, I kept getting an error screen and kept reloading.

mr. x

07-12-2003, 11:20 PM

^---dont worry happens to the best of us (and me too <_< )

anyway all whining aside (as seems to be the counter response) the biggest issue guys seem to have is the "publicness" of it all, i mean these girls getting on their podiums and "exposing" us for the oppressors that we are, i mean i do think its serious if the few are speaking for ALL asian women, and then some white guy comes up to your girl and is all like "may i have this dance?"

BeTheReds

07-13-2003, 06:46 PM

Okay, I have to admit. I too have the uneasy feeling when I see an Asian woman with a White guy. If I looked Asian then the woman would know why I was staring. But since I look white, she probably thinks I think she is hot.

Anyway, the only reason it bothers me is because usually 1 of 3 things are true in this situation.

1. The white guy has an Asian fetish and doesn't care about the woman's personality and believes many stereotypicl misconceptions about asian women are true.　　(trust me, I've had friends like this.)

2. The Asian girl is so whitewashed that she is trying to erase all traces of Asian-ness from her blood. Os she is ashamed of being Asian. (trust me, I've dated girls like this.)

3. both

This will untimately lead to many problems if the relationship progresses past infatuation. It is a fact that interracial marriages are more likely to end in divorce in america. (tho really, most interracial couples are black/white). The ultimate result of these relationships will be confused hapa children with divorced parents. Divorced parents are rivals for the children's affections and will take it as an insult if the child starts showing interest in the other parent's culture. Some take to the next step and purposefully put down the other parent's race, forgetting that the child also belongs to that. (trust me, I know...)

So yea it bothers me a little, but I realize that my opinons on someone's dating habits when I don't know them carry absoultly no weight. Also as a hapa who isn't a fan of interracial dating, many people will automatically throw my opinion out the door becuase they see it as hypocritical.

airborneranger

07-13-2003, 07:47 PM

my problem is mainly about asian women
who are so easily putting down asian male
in public as a piece of crap without
proof, from the way they behave and say
imagine if i say i don't like gay on tv i too will be attacked
but increasingly many asian women can now so easily
declare themselves off asian male
and actually think it makes them look more classy

this to me is the same as being openly a discriminating racist
if they want to be discriminatory keep it to themselves
if they want to make it public they have to be prepared
to be criticized by those they have discriminated against
who are these women anyway to be rejecting people
luckily i still find asian females who are attracted
to me so it is not about can't get girls
it is about how can someone be openly discriminatory
and get away with it just because it is coming from an asian understood?

Deadpool

07-13-2003, 07:48 PM

Deadpool

07-13-2003, 07:52 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (airborneranger @ Jul 13 2003, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> my problem is mainly about asian women
who are so easily putting down asian male
in public as a piece of crap without
proof, from the way they behave and say
imagine if i say i don't like gay on tv i too will be attacked
but increasingly many asian women can now so easily
declare themselves off asian male
and actually think it makes them look more classy

this to me is the same as being openly a discriminating racist
if they want to be discriminatory keep it to themselves
if they want to make it public they have to be prepared
to be criticized by those they have discriminated against
who are these women anyway to be rejecting people
luckily i still find asian females who are attracted
to me so it is not about can't get girls
it is about how can someone be openly discriminatory
and get away with it just because it is coming from an asian understood? [/b][/quote]
heh. Me too. Like I said before who they date is non of my business and it doesn't affect me, thus I don't care. But preaching to people on TV, magazines, movies on how crappy Asian men as some sort of truth is uncalled for.

coagulated fat

07-13-2003, 09:01 PM

I don't think it makes much sense to believe that some combos make more sense than others. But I have noticed this trend in attitudes toward interracial relationships, definitely. Like awhile ago, my friend would say "He's Indian?! I don't see you with an Indian guy. I can't picture you together." and so on. The prevalent belief seems to be that people of similar skin tone are more compatible. So Asians can date whites, but god forbid an Asian date a black person.

Deadpool, what kind of psycho girls think about what their kids would look like when they casually date a person? Freaky.

mr. x

07-13-2003, 09:31 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 13 2003, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 13 2003, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

So yea it bothers me a little, but I realize that my opinons on someone's dating habits when I don't know them carry absoultly no weight.  Also as a hapa who isn't a fan of interracial dating, many people will automatically throw my opinion out the door becuase they see it as hypocritical. [/b][/quote]
You know whats funny. I've heard some of Asian girls say they will exclusively date Caucasian because:

A. They think their kids will be beautiful because they will have blond hair and blue eyes.

B. They and their kids will be more accepted in white mainstream society. [/b][/quote]
is that even genetically possible? i know somewhere down the line that can develop (there was this blonde haired pop singer at a chinese american convention and from i heard she was a quarter chinese). but what i mean is a 50/50 mixed child. anyway i think even a blonde woman saying she's gonna have a blonde child even before its come out is stupid cuz it might be a redhead for all we know.

or even stupider, there was a "miss ettiquette" or "dear abby" piece (dont remember which) where two families had a disagreement, cuz none of the parents were blonde and they had a blonde child (you've been seeing swedish men havent you!)

also the second comment is even dumber considering they've been watching too much "the toll of the sea". mixed couples DO NOT have white kids. they DO NOT have asian kids. they have MIXED kids (not that theres anything wrong with their color) but they look neither completely this or that

these must be the same women who look at a guy's "resume" when dating them

Deadpool

07-13-2003, 11:31 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (coagulated fat @ Jul 13 2003, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Deadpool, what kind of psycho girls think about what their kids would look like when they casually date a person? Freaky. [/b][/quote]
I swear to god they said this. We sort of made flamed her for her complete lack of knowledge in Biology.
Anyways, I was also reading a forum where there was a female Chinese student who had a Cacasian BF. Shes in China and she wants to come to the US very badly because her teacher, who happens to be Caucasian, has been telling her tall stories about the glorious uptopia that is the US. She was making silly statements like how there was no racism in the US and that her IR relationship and Hapa kids will be accepted..blah blah blah...she said a lot of other stuff too....to which I had to shake my head. Hahha....she keeps refering to her white teacher, "My teacher says in the US....."

BeTheReds

07-14-2003, 12:18 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 14 2003, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (coagulated fat @ Jul 13 2003, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Deadpool, what kind of psycho girls think about what their kids would look like when they casually date a person? Freaky. [/b][/quote]
I swear to god they said this. We sort of made flamed her for her complete lack of knowledge in Biology.
Anyways, I was also reading a forum where there was a female Chinese student who had a Cacasian BF. Shes in China and she wants to come to the US very badly because her teacher, who happens to be Caucasian, has been telling her tall stories about the glorious uptopia that is the US. She was making silly statements like how there was no racism in the US and that her IR relationship and Hapa kids will be accepted..blah blah blah...she said a lot of other stuff too....to which I had to shake my head. Hahha....she keeps refering to her white teacher, "My teacher says in the US....." [/b][/quote]
Sometimes they won't let you speak the truth. When I was forced to do the lesson about multiculturalism in America, they wanted me to teach about the melting pot, and how everyone in the USA regardless of race is considered an American by their fellow Americans.

I wanted to talk about the civil rights movement, the immigration history including policies of exclusion, internment, the LA riots, and my own personal experiences, but the principal and other teachers said that I should teach the positives and not the negatives. It was in the interest of creating a more multicultural society in Japan, I have to show the kids how it works in models like the USA.

I ended up talking about the melting pot, the salad bowl, religious freedom, and other wonderful things like black history month and Yom Kippur observed in school systems.

Sigh...

In reality, what I was teaching them all was... If EVERYONE in the USA had the same views as ME, then this is how America would be... But I am sure a lot of them left thinking how great it must be that little blond haired boys will hit on them and there will be no social stygma about it.

mr. x

07-14-2003, 12:24 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 13 2003, 10:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 14 2003, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (coagulated fat @ Jul 13 2003, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Deadpool, what kind of psycho girls think about what their kids would look like when they casually date a person? Freaky. [/b][/quote]
I swear to god they said this. We sort of made flamed her for her complete lack of knowledge in Biology.
Anyways, I was also reading a forum where there was a female Chinese student who had a Cacasian BF. Shes in China and she wants to come to the US very badly because her teacher, who happens to be Caucasian, has been telling her tall stories about the glorious uptopia that is the US. She was making silly statements like how there was no racism in the US and that her IR relationship and Hapa kids will be accepted..blah blah blah...she said a lot of other stuff too....to which I had to shake my head. Hahha....she keeps refering to her white teacher, "My teacher says in the US....." [/b][/quote]
Sometimes they won't let you speak the truth. When I was forced to do the lesson about multiculturalism in America, they wanted me to teach about the melting pot, and how everyone in the USA regardless of race is considered an American by their fellow Americans.

I wanted to talk about the civil rights movement, the immigration history including policies of exclusion, internment, the LA riots, and my own personal experiences, but the principal and other teachers said that I should teach the positives and not the negatives. It was in the interest of creating a more multicultural society in Japan, I have to show the kids how it works in models like the USA.

I ended up talking about the melting pot, the salad bowl, religious freedom, and other wonderful things like black history month and Yom Kippur observed in school systems.

Sigh...

In reality, what I was teaching them all was... If EVERYONE in the USA had the same views as ME, then this is how America would be... But I am sure a lot of them left thinking how great it must be that little blond haired boys will hit on them and there will be no social stygma about it. [/b][/quote]
kinda reminds me of a japanese show i saw. there was a episode where a girl who spent some time abroad in hawaii is sposed to teach english to her class but the teacher wants her to teach a certain form of english (didnt see the whole thing, my guess is "proper" english). anyway she has a argument with the teacher cuz she says that american kids wont understand this form of english but he's like "NO U WILL DO THIS MY WAY" and they all have to take a test. so while whe's watching the students taking the test she can't stand it and then goes up to the board and tries to tell them its wrong or that its outdated or something and then ends up getting sent to the principals

Deadpool

07-14-2003, 12:24 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 13 2003, 10:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 14 2003, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (coagulated fat @ Jul 13 2003, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Deadpool, what kind of psycho girls think about what their kids would look like when they casually date a person? Freaky. [/b][/quote]
I swear to god they said this. We sort of made flamed her for her complete lack of knowledge in Biology.
Anyways, I was also reading a forum where there was a female Chinese student who had a Cacasian BF. Shes in China and she wants to come to the US very badly because her teacher, who happens to be Caucasian, has been telling her tall stories about the glorious uptopia that is the US. She was making silly statements like how there was no racism in the US and that her IR relationship and Hapa kids will be accepted..blah blah blah...she said a lot of other stuff too....to which I had to shake my head. Hahha....she keeps refering to her white teacher, "My teacher says in the US....." [/b][/quote]
Sometimes they won't let you speak the truth. When I was forced to do the lesson about multiculturalism in America, they wanted me to teach about the melting pot, and how everyone in the USA regardless of race is considered an American by their fellow Americans.

I wanted to talk about the civil rights movement, the immigration history including policies of exclusion, internment, the LA riots, and my own personal experiences, but the principal and other teachers said that I should teach the positives and not the negatives. It was in the interest of creating a more multicultural society in Japan, I have to show the kids how it works in models like the USA.

I ended up talking about the melting pot, the salad bowl, religious freedom, and other wonderful things like black history month and Yom Kippur observed in school systems.

Sigh...

In reality, what I was teaching them all was... If EVERYONE in the USA had the same views as ME, then this is how America would be... But I am sure a lot of them left thinking how great it must be that little blond haired boys will hit on them and there will be no social stygma about it. [/b][/quote]
Yeah I know what you mean. Pulling th wool over their eyes.
ANyways, a lot of people told that Chinese lady the opposite, funnily enough it was Caucasian people who were telling her the "truth". She was kinda silent about it.

Napoleon Chynamite

07-14-2003, 06:27 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 13 2003, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Okay, I have to admit. I too have the uneasy feeling when I see an Asian woman with a White guy. If I looked Asian then the woman would know why I was staring. But since I look white, she probably thinks I think she is hot.

Anyway, the only reason it bothers me is because usually 1 of 3 things are true in this situation.

1. The white guy has an Asian fetish and doesn't care about the woman's personality and believes many stereotypicl misconceptions about asian women are true.　　(trust me, I've had friends like this.)

2. The Asian girl is so whitewashed that she is trying to erase all traces of Asian-ness from her blood. Os she is ashamed of being Asian. (trust me, I've dated girls like this.)

3. both [/b][/quote]
Huh? So Yooj, are you saying pretty much that you perceive the vast majority of all AF/WM relationships to be probably unhealthy or based upon either self-hatred or fetishism (or both)? I guess that's just what I gathered from your words...

If this is the case, then I would definitely think that ALL Asian guys have a justification to complain and be up in arms about Asian women dating white guys. But I don't think that's the case, and I think most Asian men who complain are, in fact, just whiners, even though there are those out there who are legit and actually know what they are talking about beyond simply experiencing sexual frustration.

I might have misunderstood what you meant, but it seems surprising coming from you since you have always seemed to have a problem with Asian guys (esp AA's) who assume all Asian women who date interracially are either selling out or self-hating and that all white guys who date Asian women are disgusting 'philes.

AliBabaIncorporated

07-14-2003, 06:48 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Jul 14 2003, 01:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> kinda reminds me of a japanese show i saw. there was a episode where a girl who spent some time abroad in hawaii is sposed to teach english to her class but the teacher wants her to teach a certain form of english (didnt see the whole thing, my guess is "proper" english). anyway she has a argument with the teacher cuz she says that american kids wont understand this form of english but he's like "NO U WILL DO THIS MY WAY" and they all have to take a test. so while whe's watching the students taking the test she can't stand it and then goes up to the board and tries to tell them its wrong or that its outdated or something and then ends up getting sent to the principals [/b][/quote]
you're talking about "sakura," that shit that's showing on KTSF on saturday evening? the main character is actually supposed to be JA ... man that show annoys the living hell outta me. whoever they have doing the English dubbing for the main actress' voice when she speaks English sounds really stupid. Like every time she says, "Oh, woooow!"

Oh yeah and you can tell it is made by Japanese producers who haven't got the slightest fucking clue about American life ... it shows a 4th-generation JA who speaks Japanese with her white friends and her white fiance, who say lines like "Sometimes we forget you're an American cuz your face looks like Japanese."

airborneranger

07-14-2003, 07:55 PM

bethereds:
As i said i don't have a problem with personal racial standard
if you keep it to yourself but don't tell me about it because
I am not white
If I am white then it is fine
When white people said they are off asian then it is racist
but when an asian said the same thing it is personal choice
Obviously some asians in here have an inconsistency problem

SunWuKong

07-14-2003, 10:19 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 14 2003, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> you're talking about "sakura," that shit that's showing on KTSF on saturday evening? the main character is actually supposed to be JA ... man that show annoys the living hell outta me. whoever they have doing the English dubbing for the main actress' voice when she speaks English sounds really stupid. Like every time she says, "Oh, woooow!"

Oh yeah and you can tell it is made by Japanese producers who haven't got the slightest fucking clue about American life ... it shows a 4th-generation JA who speaks Japanese with her white friends and her white fiance, who say lines like "Sometimes we forget you're an American cuz your face looks like Japanese." [/b][/quote]
oh that's weird. Japanese people have a history of emigration just like Chinese people, but HK popular media definitely have a more accurate portrayal of ABCs than what you described of that show. i mean there are still misconceptions, but they probably wouldn't portray an ABC speaking much Chinese at all.

SunWuKong

07-14-2003, 10:21 PM

anyway, with regards to dating interracially. i generally think that Asian guys are whiny when they complain about Asian women that date white guys. but in the face of the fact that a lot more Asian women date outside their race, it's difficult to disregard that there are certain societal factors involved.

airborneranger

07-14-2003, 10:41 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Jul 14 2003, 08:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> anyway, with regards to dating interracially. i generally think that Asian guys are whiny when they complain about Asian women that date white guys. but in the face of the fact that a lot more Asian women date outside their race, it's difficult to disregard that there are certain societal factors involved. [/b][/quote]
Y' know the campaigns for kungfool tshirt and remove coble
are actually whiny to me
so basically it is all relative

AliBabaIncorporated

07-14-2003, 11:03 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Jul 14 2003, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> but in the face of the fact that a lot more Asian women date outside their race, it's difficult to disregard that there are certain societal factors involved. [/b][/quote]
Or biological factors. Like height. maybe even testosterone levels, as has been suggested.

Napoleon Chynamite

07-14-2003, 11:13 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 14 2003, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Or biological factors. Like height. maybe even testosterone levels, as has been suggested. [/b][/quote]
If this were true, then according to studies for height and testosterone, all women would feel an urge or have a tendency to date and marry black men.

Deadpool

07-14-2003, 11:22 PM

Whats with this stupid height thing. The majority of the Asians on my campus are like 5'10 - 6'2. Shiiieet I met 2 guys were like 6'4

DragonKnight

07-15-2003, 12:04 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Jul 14 2003, 08:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> anyway, with regards to dating interracially. i generally think that Asian guys are whiny when they complain about Asian women that date white guys. but in the face of the fact that a lot more Asian women date outside their race, it's difficult to disregard that there are certain societal factors involved. [/b][/quote]
I blame it on marketing personally. Tell, who are featured more in commercials, talk shows, and daytime dramas? White and black guys, not Asians. Who is the preferred American male of choice? White.

TV is evil. Go figure.

AliBabaIncorporated

07-15-2003, 12:12 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FrozenPizza @ Jul 15 2003, 12:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If this were true, then according to studies for height and testosterone, all women would feel an urge or have a tendency to date and marry black men. [/b][/quote]
Well, not necessarily. Lots of girls have upper as well as lower limits on height and muscularity for the guys they date --- they don't want someone who is just short and skinny like them, rather someone who's several inches taller. But conversely, they don't want someone twice their size who towers over them by a foot either.

DragonKnight: uh yeah, except that Latinos don't have any problem of outmarriage imbalance like East Asians do (they have equal numbers of men and women marrying whites), and Latinos are shown in the mainstream media even less than Asians (with the exception of music).

Erendani

07-15-2003, 12:27 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FrozenPizza @ Jul 15 2003, 05:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If this were true, then according to studies for height and testosterone, all women would feel an urge or have a tendency to date and marry black men.[/b][/quote]

Hehe, good point. It's not about height or musculature per se though, more about perceived societal power, where whites far outstrip blacks.

Alibaba: the hispanics you are talking about are probably the ones that can pass for white, i.e. the European looking ones.

Anyway, to keep on topic though, I consider a white guy who won't date white girls guilty of stereotyping and/or racism against his own race. Fact is, I know such a guy... he's with an Asian gal now, and he said that he could never find a white girl attractive because they are "too masculine looking" (his own words).

An Asiaphile? Probably... but I think most Asiaphiles go after Asian women for whatever reason, but are still open to dating white women if they get the chance. I'm talking about a white guy who will never ever date a white woman -- I think he is bigoted against his own race. Because there are a lot of attractive white women out there, that's a fact... but he just refuses to see it.

BeTheReds

07-15-2003, 12:36 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (airborneranger @ Jul 15 2003, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> bethereds:
As i said i don't have a problem with personal racial standard
if you keep it to yourself but don't tell me about it because
I am not white
If I am white then it is fine
When white people said they are off asian then it is racist
but when an asian said the same thing it is personal choice
Obviously some asians in here have an inconsistency problem [/b][/quote]
Dood, why are you trying to start shit?

I must be a moron because I don't even know which part of what I said that you disagree with.

It seems like to me that we both are saying the same thing, that it is ok to have a racial standard as long as the standared is for you only and that you don't condemn other people for their own choices.

I'm not even trying to throw racism into the equation.

People should be able to date whoever they want without being harassed.

AliBabaIncorporated

07-15-2003, 01:47 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 15 2003, 01:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> the hispanics you are talking about are probably the ones that can pass for white, i.e. the European looking ones. [/b][/quote]
Unfortunately for your speculations, that's not borne out by statistics. There's something a lot bigger going on here besides media influence, otherwise you'd expect to see Hispanic outmarriage as equally gender-unbalanced as Asians. See:
http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/p...c-t19/tab01.pdf (http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t19/tab01.pdf)

Among Hispanic whites, the largest group of Hispanics, outmarriage stats (married to non-Hispanic of any race) were:
443916 men (out of 2575046 total Hispanic white married men, or 17.2%)
546146 women (out of 2698623 total Hispanic white married women, or 20.2%)
Ratio of 1.23 outmarried women to 1 man. Pretty balanced.

Outmarriage among Hispanics "of some other race" (mostly mestizos), the second largest group of Hispanics, is even more balanced. (Even though the theory that Media Influence and Racism Explains Everything would suggest that mestiza women are even more vulnerable to being "exoticized by white people" or whatnot than white Hispanics). The stats:
231646 men (out of 2023846 total Hispanic other married men, or 11.4%)
248106 women (out of 2037749 total Hispanic other married women, or 12.2%)
Ratio of 1.07 outmarried women to 1 outmarried man.

For comparison, among Asians:
171868 men (or 9.2% of total of 1865700)
474364 women (or 21.8% of total 2167814)
Ratio of 2.76 outmarried women to 1 outmarried man.

Napoleon Chynamite

07-15-2003, 01:57 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 14 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Unfortunately for your speculations, that's not borne out by statistics. There's something a lot bigger going on here besides media influence, otherwise you'd expect to see Hispanic outmarriage as equally gender-unbalanced as Asians. See:
http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/p...c-t19/tab01.pdf (http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t19/tab01.pdf)

Among Hispanic whites, the largest group of Hispanics, 443916 men (out of 2575046 total Hispanic white married men, or 17.2%) and 546146 women (out of 2698623 total) are married to non-Hispanics. This is a ratio of 1.23 outmarried women to 1 man. Pretty balanced.

Outmarriage among Hispanics "of some other race" (mostly mestizos), the second largest group of Hispanics, is even more balanced. (Even though the theory that Media Influence and Racism Explains Everything would suggest that mestiza women are even more vulnerable to being "exoticized by white people" or whatnot than white Hispanics). 231646 men (11.4% of total 2023846) and 248106 women (12.2% of total 2037749) are married to non-Hispanics. This is a ratio of 1.07 outmarried women to 1 outmarried man.

For comparison, among Asians, 171868 men (or 9.2% of total of 1865700) and 474364 women (or 21.8% of total 2167814) are married to non-Asians. This is a ratio of 2.76 outmarried women to 1 outmarried man. [/b][/quote]
From what I have seen, many Asian guys simply do not approach women very often due to pack mentality, traditional belief, self esteem issues, whatever. Second of all, the guy, regardless of race or ethnicity, is supposed to assume the role of the initiator in relationships, so you can see how this might work out against the interests or favor of the Asian guy. In my experiences, after interacting and talking with Asian women who seem to, on first sight, surround themselves perpetually with white guys, it turns out that for the most part, most Asian guys have yet to even approach them no matter how good looking they are, yet many white guys approach them for friendship, conversation, and dating freely (these guys may or may not be 'philes, but that is not the point). They came across as down-to-earth and willing to open up as opposed to the snobby self-hating sellouts that everyone loves to assume they are. Of course, after she has been branded a traitor or sellout by other Asian guys (or girls), the chances of them approaching her will be even less than before. Not to mention that I read somewhere, on a side note, that ABC outmarriage is pretty much identical among ABC women and men. Maybe I am misinformed on this point. Finally, Asian guys may be more pressured by family or parents to marry or date Asian women in order to preserve the bloodline or whatever, although this is probably not as significant of a factor I think.

deez nuts

07-15-2003, 07:23 AM

SunWuKong

07-15-2003, 07:41 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FrozenPizza @ Jul 15 2003, 03:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Finally, Asian guys may be more pressured by family or parents to marry or date Asian women in order to preserve the bloodline or whatever, although this is probably not as significant of a factor I think. [/b][/quote]
or maybe they just have an Asian fetish and feel justified in having it because they are also Asian.

TB4000

07-15-2003, 09:39 AM

the amount of shit, i've heard from my black ex-gf's and their friends are pretty funny. hahahahaha.

Are you one of those guys that dates black girls, but don't know any black dudes personally? I'm just curious, man.

deez nuts

07-15-2003, 09:50 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TB4000 @ Jul 15 2003, 10:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> the amount of shit, i've heard from my black ex-gf's and their friends are pretty funny. hahahahaha.

Are you one of those guys that dates black girls, but don't know any black dudes personally? I'm just curious, man. [/b][/quote]
nope, i have quite a few actually.

as a matter of fact, i'm one of three godfathers to the son of one of the guys and his wife.

why do you ask? bitter about something? just calling it the way i see it, b.

Napoleon Chynamite

07-15-2003, 12:57 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Jul 15 2003, 05:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> or maybe they just have an Asian fetish and feel justified in having it because they are also Asian. [/b][/quote]
Ya, that too.

My Name Is...

07-15-2003, 01:41 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chasiubao_Boy @ Jul 15 2003, 07:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TB4000 @ Jul 15 2003, 10:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> the amount of shit, i've heard from my black ex-gf's and their friends are pretty funny. hahahahaha.

Are you one of those guys that dates black girls, but don't know any black dudes personally? I'm just curious, man. [/b][/quote]
nope, i have quite a few actually.

as a matter of fact, i'm one of three godfathers to the son of one of the guys and his wife.

why do you ask? bitter about something? just calling it the way i see it, b. [/b][/quote]
I think TB is talkin about the people who will date certain races but never associate with the opposite gender of that race. I think it could be seen as a sign of putting down that race. Am I making sense?

deez nuts

07-15-2003, 01:52 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (My Name Is... @ Jul 15 2003, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think TB is talkin about the people who will date certain races but never associate with the opposite gender of that race. I think it could be seen as a sign of putting down that race. Am I making sense? [/b][/quote]
yah

i knew what he was getting at.

himura-dono

07-15-2003, 06:19 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DragonKnight @ Jul 14 2003, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I blame it on marketing personally. Tell, who are featured more in commercials, talk shows, and daytime dramas? White and black guys, not Asians. Who is the preferred American male of choice? White.

TV is evil. Go figure. [/b][/quote]
dude, what's the percentage of caucasian and african americans in the us combined? you got your answer. marketing is numbers, not equality.

DragonKnight

07-15-2003, 08:00 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (himura-dono @ Jul 15 2003, 04:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DragonKnight @ Jul 14 2003, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I blame it on marketing personally.  Tell, who are featured more in commercials, talk shows, and daytime dramas?  White and black guys, not Asians.  Who is the preferred American male of choice?  White.

TV is evil.  Go figure. [/b][/quote]
dude, what's the percentage of caucasian and african americans in the us combined? you got your answer. marketing is numbers, not equality. [/b][/quote]
More the reason to piss on marketing and media.

Of course, with your reasoning I say its high time we bring in more Asian males to the US. Flood the fugkin market, get more Mike Honda's reppin for us in government, and take over the stinkin country. Then maybe we can finally get more Asian males in Pert shampoo commercials. :lol:

Erendani

07-15-2003, 08:31 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 15 2003, 07:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Unfortunately for your speculations, that's not borne out by statistics. There's something a lot bigger going on here besides media influence, otherwise you'd expect to see Hispanic outmarriage as equally gender-unbalanced as Asians.[/b][/quote]
Yah, but you forget that hispanic males are not really put down in the media, but are allowed to have leading roles, be the lead singer, etc... whereas Asian males are usually made fun of or de-sexualized.

I do think that hispanics are suspiciously absent from the media in proportion to their population size (I believe they are larger than blacks), but when they are portrayed I think it is in a gender-balanced fashion -- hispanic men are allowed to be as cool/sexy as hispanic women.

Just think of how many women, including white women, find Antonio Banderas, Ricky Martin, Enrique Iglesias sexy, for example... I could go on...

Marc Anthony
Benjamin Bratt
Emelio Estevez
Desi Arnaz
Freddie Prinze, Jr.
Anthony Quinn
Edward James Olmos
Jimmy Smits
Benicio Del Toro
Eduardo Verastegui

There's probably a bunch more...

Name one popular Asian actor in America that women find sexy.

BeTheReds

07-15-2003, 08:42 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Name one popular Asian actor in America that women find sexy. [/b][/quote]
Keanu Reeves

Jiao Yun Fat

Jet Lee

Rick Yune

Russel Wong

hell, even Garret Wang got some of my friends' juices flowing.

DragonKnight

07-15-2003, 09:38 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 15 2003, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Name one popular Asian actor in America that women find sexy. [/b][/quote]
Keanu Reeves

Jiao Yun Fat
Jet Lee
Rick Yune
Russel Wong
hell, even Garret Wang got some of my friends' juices flowing. [/b][/quote]
Not too many. Plus, I hate to say but I really don't count Keanu Reeves or Russel Wong. No offense, but they have a certain advantage over the other actors listed. <_<

mr. x

07-15-2003, 10:43 PM

i do feel that latin man are also kinda shafted in the media

u do see more "virile" latin males but a lot of times u also see a lot of gardeners, lawn mowers, illegals, gangbangers (Bruce Almighty anyone?), and drug dealers

BeTheReds

07-15-2003, 11:37 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DragonKnight @ Jul 16 2003, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 15 2003, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Name one popular Asian actor in America that women find sexy. [/b][/quote]
Keanu Reeves

Jiao Yun Fat
Jet Lee
Rick Yune
Russel Wong
hell, even Garret Wang got some of my friends' juices flowing. [/b][/quote]
Not too many. Plus, I hate to say but I really don't count Keanu Reeves or Russel Wong. No offense, but they have a certain advantage over the other actors listed. <_< [/b][/quote]
Great, well in that case you can't really count Emelio Estevez, Freddie Prinze, Jr. Antonio Banderras and Ricky Martin, as Hispanic men either.

Almost all of the male latino celebrities are white or partially white.

AliBabaIncorporated

07-15-2003, 11:49 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 15 2003, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yah, but you forget that hispanic males are not really put down in the media, but are allowed to have leading roles, be the lead singer, etc... whereas Asian males are usually made fun of or de-sexualized.

I do think that hispanics are suspiciously absent from the media in proportion to their population size (I believe they are larger than blacks), but when they are portrayed I think it is in a gender-balanced fashion -- hispanic men are allowed to be as cool/sexy as hispanic women. [/b][/quote]
Survey found that only 22% of Latinos feel they see their race portrayed often on TV programs. Compared to like 18% of Asians. So it's about the same.

Furthermore as Eugene pointed out, there do exist Asian male actors who are seen as sexy by the mainstream media.

And as for DragonKnight's objection that Keanu and Russel aren't "really Asian:" well they're about as racially similar to an ABC as J. Lo and Desi Arnez (a white Cuban!) are to the average Mexican mestizo in the street. Yet the latter are called "Hispanics" and looked up to by their community even though they could pass as whites if they really felt like it. In fact Hispanic mestizos are almost never portrayed in the media, except on COPS when there's a domestic violence call and you see a greasy fat guy in a wifebeater being slammed down on the hood of a car and the Latino officer who might even have, horror of horror, an accent when he speaks English, is translating for him. Yet they still have a balanced outmarriage rate.

If the Asian community doesn't want to accept mixed stars as Asian, that's the Asian community's problem for defining itself by an appearance-based standard, a problem which Latinos, by and large, have to a far less extent.

AliBabaIncorporated

07-15-2003, 11:53 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Jul 15 2003, 11:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i do feel that latin man are also kinda shafted in the media

u do see more "virile" latin males but a lot of times u also see a lot of gardeners, lawn mowers, illegals, gangbangers (Bruce Almighty anyone?), and drug dealers [/b][/quote]
Well yeah, but they don't let it get them down and start blaming the media for every damn trouble in their life.

One thing that is burned into my memory is this Latino talk show on Univision. Some guys were on there, I wasn't really paying attention, but I remember the topic: "People in our community drink too much. What can we do to resist the bottle?" Not "how can we get back at Almighty Whitey for buying liquor advertising in our community?" or whatnot ... taking responsibility for their problems.

BeTheReds

07-15-2003, 11:59 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 16 2003, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Survey found that only 22% of Latinos feel they see their race portrayed often on TV programs. Compared to like 18% of Asians. So it's about the same.
[/b][/quote]
I'm just curious as to where you find all these wonderful facts and stats. It seems like we can count on you to find these for almost any topic at all.

Erendani

07-16-2003, 02:24 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 16 2003, 05:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>In fact Hispanic mestizos are almost never portrayed in the media, except on COPS when there's a domestic violence call and you see a greasy fat guy in a wifebeater being slammed down on the hood of a car and the Latino officer who might even have, horror of horror, an accent when he speaks English, is translating for him. Yet they still have a balanced outmarriage rate.[/b][/quote]
Alibaba, you are saying that hispanic mestizo males are almost always shown in a negative light, weak, nerdy, or cowardly... who are hardened criminals or fighters but so asexual that they never even romantically link with the non-hispanic woman (or any woman for that matter) onscreen...

...while hispanic mestizo females are almost shown as hyper-sexualized, readily available females that throw themselves at white males for no real reason at all, and who often put down the hispanic mestizo male as someone they would never ever date.

If this is the case, and there is still a balanced outmarriage rate among hispanic mestizo males and females, then you totally make sense.

But dude, open your eyes to how Asian male are portrayed in the media. I am not exaggerating when I say that if you replace the term "hispanic mestizo" in my description above with "Asian," you have an accurate depiction of the media, and Hollywood. And about Bethered's list...

Keanu Reeves: doesn't publicly acknowledge his Asian-ness.
Chow Yun Fat: in American movies, never even kisses the white woman
Rick Yune: stereotypical bad guy, will not be a leading man soon
Jet Li: very desexualized, even with a hottie like Aaliyah
Garrett Wang: borderline "sexy"? if that... more reserved, shy around women
Russell Wong: okay he had the best shot. But still pales in terms of success to any hispanic actor I listed.

Look at my list of hispanic male actors again... any of them can carry a leading role, and almost all have. They are definitely NOT asexual onscreen. And these are hispanic actors, who are underrepresented in Hollywood. Asian male actors don't even approach the radar screen of white male actors.

Anyway, I don't even believe that the media or Hollywood is largely responsible for the dating disparity between Asian males and females. But I don't like the fact that you keep discounting it completely, and mocking those that think it plays a role in this issue.

AliBabaIncorporated

07-16-2003, 03:38 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 03:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Look at my list of hispanic male actors again... any of them can carry a leading role, and almost all have. They are definitely NOT asexual onscreen. And these are hispanic actors, who are underrepresented in Hollywood. Asian male actors don't even approach the radar screen of white male actors.

Anyway, I don't even believe that the media or Hollywood is largely responsible for the dating disparity between Asian males and females. But I don't like the fact that you keep discounting it completely, and mocking those that think it plays a role in this issue. [/b][/quote]
It's only a problem if you let it be.

I looked at your list of Hispanic male actors again. Most of them look to have a very small fraction of Central American Indian ancestry.

Mestizos are hardly portrayed with any depth in the media, probably cuz they've only been a significant percentage of American society for a short amount of time. They're two to three times as numerous as East Asians, but if they were to insist on looking at everything through the lenses of racial purity, they're just as typecast on TV. The South American drug lord with a bunch of squat, stupid gun-toting followers who always get their asses kicked is more of a stock character in American TV than the kung-fu fighter is (watch Air America sometime, for example).

Even worse for them, mestizo men don't have the "fallback position" of their home country media. Asian guys can at least look to Asian magazines and TV series and see their own race making out, kicking ass, or whatever. A mestizo who looks to Univision sees a bunch of Castilian bluebloods lording it over powerless mestizo maids and servants.

Yet romantically, they're doing fine. Maybe cuz they identify with the white Hispanics they see on screen and take confidence from their successes (as AA guys emphatically don't from Keanu and Russel's successes), regardless of the racial difference and the fact that those white Hispanics never come out to condemn discrimination against their darker brothers. Maybe because they don't care. But somehow, they muddle along.

golden_buns

07-16-2003, 07:54 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 15 2003, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Just think of how many women, including white women, find Antonio Banderas, Ricky Martin, Enrique Iglesias sexy, for example... I could go on...

Marc Anthony
Benjamin Bratt
Emelio Estevez
Desi Arnaz
Freddie Prinze, Jr.
Anthony Quinn
Edward James Olmos
Jimmy Smits
Benicio Del Toro
Eduardo Verastegui

There's probably a bunch more...

Name one popular Asian actor in America that women find sexy. [/b][/quote]
They all have the Spanish or white look though.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mr. x @ Jul 15 2003, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i do feel that latin man are also kinda shafted in the media

u do see more "virile" latin males but a lot of times u also see a lot of gardeners, lawn mowers, illegals, gangbangers (Bruce Almighty anyone?), and drug dealers [/b][/quote]

Yeah, mostly the mestizo looking ones.

I don't think media representation is gonna make us "hot" in the eyes of the average american viewer. But I do agree 100% that at least not stereotyping us with the same roles will at least make us "normal human beings" in their view

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 15 2003, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Alibaba, you are saying that hispanic mestizo males are almost always shown in a negative light, weak, nerdy, or cowardly... who are hardened criminals or fighters but so asexual that they never even romantically link with the non-hispanic woman (or any woman for that matter) onscreen...[/b][/quote]
At least they don't bitch and whine about hispanic girls going for other guys. That makes them more appealing

YuheiCarreau

07-16-2003, 08:32 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 16 2003, 01:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 16 2003, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Survey found that only 22% of Latinos feel they see their race portrayed often on TV programs. Compared to like 18% of Asians. So it's about the same.
[/b][/quote]
I'm just curious as to where you find all these wonderful facts and stats. It seems like we can count on you to find these for almost any topic at all. [/b][/quote]
73% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

mr. x

07-16-2003, 01:26 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Jul 16 2003, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 16 2003, 01:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 16 2003, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Survey found that only 22% of Latinos feel they see their race portrayed often on TV programs. Compared to like 18% of Asians. So it's about the same.
[/b][/quote]
I'm just curious as to where you find all these wonderful facts and stats. It seems like we can count on you to find these for almost any topic at all. [/b][/quote]
73% of all statistics are made up on the spot. [/b][/quote]
100% of statistics are full of shit

BeTheReds

07-16-2003, 06:11 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Keanu Reeves: doesn't publicly acknowledge his Asian-ness.
[/b][/quote]
I have always wondered about this one, because how exactly is he supposed to do this? Work it into every interview? He acknowledges his Asian-ness just as much as Garret Wang or the Milf man himself John Cho does... by not talking about it. Or maybe he should play a mixed character and have a scene with his parents so you can bitch about the white man getting your women again?

YuheiCarreau

07-16-2003, 08:00 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 16 2003, 08:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Keanu Reeves: doesn't publicly acknowledge his Asian-ness.
[/b][/quote]
I have always wondered about this one, because how exactly is he supposed to do this? Work it into every interview? He acknowledges his Asian-ness just as much as Garret Wang or the Milf man himself John Cho does... by not talking about it. Or maybe he should play a mixed character and have a scene with his parents so you can bitch about the white man getting your women again? [/b][/quote]
I thought his dad was the mixed one.

BeTheReds

07-16-2003, 08:02 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Jul 17 2003, 11:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 16 2003, 08:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Keanu Reeves: doesn't publicly acknowledge his Asian-ness.
[/b][/quote]
I have always wondered about this one, because how exactly is he supposed to do this? Work it into every interview? He acknowledges his Asian-ness just as much as Garret Wang or the Milf man himself John Cho does... by not talking about it. Or maybe he should play a mixed character and have a scene with his parents so you can bitch about the white man getting your women again? [/b][/quote]
I thought his dad was the mixed one. [/b][/quote]
Wait, so he's 1/4th then? Damn, I didn't even know that. I thought he was 1/2.

DragonKnight

07-16-2003, 11:03 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 12:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Anyway, I don't even believe that the media or Hollywood is largely responsible for the dating disparity between Asian males and females. But I don't like the fact that you keep discounting it completely, and mocking those that think it plays a role in this issue. [/b][/quote]
Heh, it's all a POV thang IMHO. They're tired of hearing the same shit over and over again, we're tired of going THROUGH the same shit over and over again. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Personally I don't think its too big of a deal since all of the women I have dated are Asian and that its a respectable number of women at that. There are also a number of Asian girls I know of who are "Asian exclusive" and a nice selection of white girls with an "Asian fetish" from where I come from. I just wished that Asian men are portrayed equally in movies and whats-not. Wouldn't hurt for us manly Asian men to have a nice social boost in sexual appeal, etc. Not to mention for my fellow Asian brothers in the acting biz to get some more parts in movies, TV shows, or whateverz. B)

AngryABCGirl

07-16-2003, 11:05 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 16 2003, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Keanu Reeves: doesn't publicly acknowledge his Asian-ness.
[/b][/quote]
I have always wondered about this one, because how exactly is he supposed to do this? Work it into every interview? He acknowledges his Asian-ness just as much as Garret Wang or the Milf man himself John Cho does... by not talking about it. Or maybe he should play a mixed character and have a scene with his parents so you can bitch about the white man getting your women again? [/b][/quote]
Garret Wang actually talked about it a lot in interviews and so did John Cho.

But to tell you the truth though, Keanu Reeves really doesn't look that Asian and I'm assuming doesn't have a whole lot of whatever ethnicity he is from either, I couldn't consider him as same as me anyday. I wouldn't see him being a representative of an AA community at all. Maybe Russel Wong, but not him.

YuheiCarreau

07-17-2003, 12:21 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 16 2003, 10:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Jul 17 2003, 11:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 16 2003, 08:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Keanu Reeves: doesn't publicly acknowledge his Asian-ness.
[/b][/quote]
I have always wondered about this one, because how exactly is he supposed to do this? Work it into every interview? He acknowledges his Asian-ness just as much as Garret Wang or the Milf man himself John Cho does... by not talking about it. Or maybe he should play a mixed character and have a scene with his parents so you can bitch about the white man getting your women again? [/b][/quote]
I thought his dad was the mixed one. [/b][/quote]
Wait, so he's 1/4th then? Damn, I didn't even know that. I thought he was 1/2. [/b][/quote]
Keanu Reeves' father is half Hawaiian and half Chinese. His mother is English. I assume Reeves is either his mother's maiden name (his parents divorced when he was a child) or the name of his stepfather.

Erendani

07-17-2003, 01:12 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 16 2003, 09:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yet romantically, they're doing fine. Maybe cuz they identify with the white Hispanics they see on screen and take confidence from their successes (as AA guys emphatically don't from Keanu and Russel's successes), regardless of the racial difference and the fact that those white Hispanics never come out to condemn discrimination against their darker brothers. Maybe because they don't care. But somehow, they muddle along. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, like I said, I don't blame the media or movies as playing a large role in the Asian gender dating disparity... I actually think it is currently due mainly to parental pressure... wanting to please the parents by bringing home a girl who is the same ethnicity, speaks the same native language, etc.

I honestly think Asian guys can do well with non-Asian women if they put themselves out there more.

I do think that Asian men generally have a poor reputation in the dating market, so in baseball terms they basically start out with one strike against them. But nothing that can't be overcome.

moJo

07-17-2003, 01:14 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Jul 16 2003, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Keanu Reeves' father is half Hawaiian and half Chinese. His mother is English. I assume Reeves is either his mother's maiden name (his parents divorced when he was a child) or the name of his stepfather. [/b][/quote]
His father is the hawaiian/chinese mix, and his name is Sam Reeves. The guy's an ex-con, not involved in his life at all.

Erendani

07-17-2003, 01:15 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (golden_buns @ Jul 16 2003, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't think media representation is gonna make us "hot" in the eyes of the average american viewer. But I do agree 100% that at least not stereotyping us with the same roles will at least make us "normal human beings" in their view
[/b][/quote]
This is my main beef with Hollywood... I just want them to portray Asians as normal human beings more.

Erendani

07-17-2003, 01:38 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 17 2003, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I have always wondered about this one, because how exactly is he supposed to do this?  Work it into every interview?  He acknowledges his Asian-ness just as much as Garret Wang or the Milf man himself John Cho does...  by not talking about it.  Or maybe he should play a mixed character and have a scene with his parents so you can bitch about the white man getting your women again?[/b][/quote]

Garret Wang and John Cho brought up the issue of Asian males in Hollywood at least once in interviews... probably more because I don't follow them that much...

Wang about how he is playing a non-stereotypical role in Star Trek and John Cho about an Asian male uncharacteristically (his words) getting a romantic lead for once in the TV show Charmed (Cho played the boyfriend of one of the sisters).

I think Keanu Reeves basically doesn't see himself as Asian... maybe Hawaiian. Anyway, he doesn't look Asian so even if he does well, American people won't associate him with Asians such as myself. Russell Wong is a different story, even though he's half Asian, since he can pass for full.

Hmm, and about bitching, I don't really care if Asian girls date white guys... The only Asian girls I have a problem with are the ones who won't date Asian guys at all and put them down in public. I think that's just dumb.

I just want people to see Asians as normal everyday people...and Hollywood keeps perpetuating the opposite image of that, especially regarding Asian guys.

And in the dating game, it would be nice to start out with no strikes instead of one strike... dating is hard enough as it is. Is that being whiny? I think I'm just calling it like I see it.

Anyway, like I said, Asian guys are not so bad off that they are hopeless in the dating market. Just takes a little more work than, say, white guys.

maxdacat

07-17-2003, 06:42 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah, like I said, I don't blame the media or movies as playing a large role in the Asian gender dating disparity... I actually think it is currently due mainly to parental pressure... wanting to please the parents by bringing home a girl who is the same ethnicity, speaks the same native language, etc.

I honestly think Asian guys can do well with non-Asian women if they put themselves out there more.

I do think that Asian men generally have a poor reputation in the dating market, so in baseball terms they basically start out with one strike against them. But nothing that can't be overcome. [/b][/quote]
i like your take on the issue dude.....paradoxically i find the whole debate on gender disparity both interesting and boring.....if the situation were reversed would the guys complain as loudly?

SunWuKong

07-17-2003, 07:14 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 16 2003, 01:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DragonKnight @ Jul 16 2003, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 15 2003, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Name one popular Asian actor in America that women find sexy. [/b][/quote]
Keanu Reeves

Jiao Yun Fat
Jet Lee
Rick Yune
Russel Wong
hell, even Garret Wang got some of my friends' juices flowing. [/b][/quote]
Not too many. Plus, I hate to say but I really don't count Keanu Reeves or Russel Wong. No offense, but they have a certain advantage over the other actors listed. <_< [/b][/quote]
Great, well in that case you can't really count Emelio Estevez, Freddie Prinze, Jr. Antonio Banderras and Ricky Martin, as Hispanic men either.

Almost all of the male latino celebrities are white or partially white. [/b][/quote]
i wouldn't count emilio estevez and freddie prinze jr. as hispanic either in terms of consideration of how they represent hispanic people in the media. they don't really publically identify with being hispanic. i never even knew they're supposed to be hispanic until you mentioned it. hell, i didn't even know shakira is hispanic until recently. but antonio banderas has always been publically recognised as hispanic and he speaks with a spanish accent. ricky martin performs "latin music". so those two definitely counts.

the same thing can be said for keanu reeves. nobody even knows he's part asian. i mean i'm not saying he's not asian, but as far as publicity and media representation is concerned, he's just white. russel wong, on the other hand, regularly plays asian characters, and is also recognised by the public as asian.

Walrus

07-17-2003, 10:24 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (maxdacat @ Jul 17 2003, 04:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 16 2003, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah, like I said, I don't blame the media or movies as playing a large role in the Asian gender dating disparity... I actually think it is currently due mainly to parental pressure... wanting to please the parents by bringing home a girl who is the same ethnicity, speaks the same native language, etc.

I honestly think Asian guys can do well with non-Asian women if they put themselves out there more.

I do think that Asian men generally have a poor reputation in the dating market, so in baseball terms they basically start out with one strike against them.  But nothing that can't be overcome. [/b][/quote]
i like your take on the issue dude.....paradoxically i find the whole debate on gender disparity both interesting and boring.....if the situation were reversed would the guys complain as loudly? [/b][/quote]
Nope... guys wouldn't be complaining. Few Asian women are complaining... my sister is completely oblvious to any disparity.

I agree with you guys, this disparity is almost like an accepted fact that gets propagated by each generation. Asian men expect to have less chances, and non-Asian women don't expect many Asian men to be their type.

Times are changing though, the more westernized an Asian guy is, the greater his chances are. The same is not true for Asian women, they can be foreign or westernized. While a foreign Asian guy is just seen as dorky, a foreign Asian women is seen as exotic, this is all old news I know :P.

Several of my mixed friends have an Asian dad and caucasian mother, so my knowledge of this disparity only came about after I came online more and read about frustrated Asian men. I think if you move to a culturally mixed city, than the game is different. I don't feel my chances are lower at all where I live. In particular, I've noticed that in my generation (late teens to mid 20's), there is more balance between interracial dating.

YuheiCarreau

07-17-2003, 10:52 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Jul 17 2003, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i wouldn't count emilio estevez and freddie prinze jr. as hispanic either in terms of consideration of how they represent hispanic people in the media. they don't really publically identify with being hispanic. i never even knew they're supposed to be hispanic until you mentioned it. hell, i didn't even know shakira is hispanic until recently. but antonio banderas has always been publically recognised as hispanic and he speaks with a spanish accent. ricky martin performs "latin music". so those two definitely counts. [/b][/quote]
Actually Shakira is half Lebanese. But I think it's just a case of you being unhip and out of the loop if you didn't know she's hispanic :P , because she speaks with an accent, has little bits of spanish in her lyrics, etc.

SunWuKong

07-17-2003, 12:09 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Jul 17 2003, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Actually Shakira is half Lebanese. But I think it's just a case of you being unhip and out of the loop if you didn't know she's hispanic :P , because she speaks with an accent, has little bits of spanish in her lyrics, etc. [/b][/quote]
yeah yeah shut up....   :P

yeah i was just going by the pictures i've seen of her.

kasia

07-17-2003, 02:06 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LL_Cool_D @ Jul 17 2003, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ever notice the looks some, excuse me, alot of Asian women give when they see you with a non-AF? It's like they think were asexual geeks and can't seem to get any woman nevermind Asian women. At the same time, they go around with their white/non-AM boyfriends holding hands, especially in or around Asian areas, thinking they're better than us and whatnot. Furthermore, alot of Asian women expect us to be the faithful ones sticking to our race/nationality when they have a free reign on IR?! Screw this shit, AF's can whine all they want about IR dating when they see an AM with /non-AF's - it's about time AM's levelled the playing field, and I'm doing my part.

These AF's sure as hell ain't gonna get a piece of me (no pun intended) -I'm pimping it big style with latin, blacks and white females. [/b][/quote]
are you sure that's why they're looking at you?  why won't you date an asian chick?

coagulated fat

07-17-2003, 03:03 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LL_Cool_D @ Jul 17 2003, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ever notice the looks some, excuse me, alot of Asian women give when they see you with a non-AF? It's like they think were asexual geeks and can't seem to get any woman nevermind Asian women. At the same time, they go around with their white/non-AM boyfriends holding hands, especially in or around Asian areas, thinking they're better than us and whatnot. Furthermore, alot of Asian women expect us to be the faithful ones sticking to our race/nationality when they have a free reign on IR?! Screw this shit, AF's can whine all they want about IR dating when they see an AM with /non-AF's - it's about time AM's levelled the playing field, and I'm doing my part.

These AF's sure as hell ain't gonna get a piece of me (no pun intended) -I'm pimping it big style with latin, blacks and white females. [/b][/quote]
Any one who describes themselves as a "big time pimp" isn't, but anyway.

I have not heard AFs whine about IR dating.  Not at all.  Where do you get this idea?  Besides your getting "looks" from asian women -- a really vague and conveniently untestable backup to a rather bold claim. 

Holding hands with one's white boyfriend in an asian area is not equivalent to flipping off the asian male community.

deez nuts

07-17-2003, 03:08 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (coagulated fat @ Jul 17 2003, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Any one who describes themselves as a "big time pimp" isn't, but anyway.

[/b][/quote]
now now don't be a hater.

Napoleon Chynamite

07-17-2003, 04:13 PM

What is the official, PC definition of 'hispanic' anyway?  Supposedly both Antonio Banderas and Salma Hayek are 'hispanic' right......however, their blood is entirely European, so are they still considered Hispanic?  Salma Hayek is part Lebanese and part something else (something European and not indigenous to Middle or South America), and I think Antonio is 100% ethnically Spanish (from Spain).  Anyways, just curious.  Does Hispanic simply mean being born and raised in a Spanish-speaking society (besides in Spain)?

YuheiCarreau

07-17-2003, 05:24 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FrozenPizza @ Jul 17 2003, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What is the official, PC definition of 'hispanic' anyway? Supposedly both Antonio Banderas and Salma Hayek are 'hispanic' right......however, their blood is entirely European, so are they still considered Hispanic? Salma Hayek is part Lebanese and part something else (something European and not indigenous to Middle or South America), and I think Antonio is 100% ethnically Spanish (from Spain). Anyways, just curious. Does Hispanic simply mean being born and raised in a Spanish-speaking society (besides in Spain)? [/b][/quote]
Correct. Hispanic means someone who speaks Spanish. Latino / Latina is a person from Central and South America.

BeTheReds

07-17-2003, 06:43 PM

So then is Nomar Garciaparra Hispanic or Asian? 

BeTheReds

07-17-2003, 06:48 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AzNBuffGrL @ Jul 17 2003, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
But to tell you the truth though, Keanu Reeves really doesn't look that Asian and I'm assuming doesn't have a whole lot of whatever ethnicity he is from either, I couldn't consider him as same as me anyday.  I wouldn't see him being a representative of an AA community at all.  Maybe Russel Wong, but not him. [/b][/quote]
Oh, well great!  So you are only reconfirming the fact that the Asian-American community is defined by phenotypical looks then.  How wonderful!

Do you consider me Asian then?

nonamerasian

07-17-2003, 06:51 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YuheiCarreau @ Jul 17 2003, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Correct. Hispanic means someone who speaks Spanish. Latino / Latina is a person from Central and South America. [/b][/quote]
Actually, a Hispanic is someone of or related to a Spanish-speaking country, not necessarily a Spanish-speaker.

In addition, South Americans aren't Latinos.  Latin Americans of or related to Spanish-speaking countries are Latinos.

nonamerasian

07-17-2003, 06:57 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 17 2003, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So then is Nomar Garciaparra Hispanic or Asian? [/b][/quote]
I don't know who Garciaparra is, but he can be both.

A person can be a Black Hispanic, a White Hispanic, an Indio Hispanic, so why not an Asian Hispanic?

Although in day-to-day speech it is begining to be used as one, "Hispanic" isn't a racial term, but rather a semi-cultural term.

BeTheReds

07-17-2003, 06:57 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nonamerasian @ Jul 18 2003, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Actually, a Hispanic is someone of or related to a Spanish-speaking country, not necessarily a Spanish-speaker.

In addition, South Americans aren't Latinos. Latin Americans of or related to Spanish-speaking countries are Latinos. [/b][/quote]
All of the countries in south America DO speak spanish tho.. (besides Brazil).

BeTheReds

07-17-2003, 07:00 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nonamerasian @ Jul 18 2003, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't know who Garciaparra is, but he can be both.

[/b][/quote]
Blasphemy!

Nomar Garciaparra is the Shortstop of the Boston Red Sox and was dominant in the 1990's  He, Derek Jeter, and Alex Rodriguez were considered the top 3 shortstops in the game to follow in the wake of Cal Ripken Jr.

kasia

07-17-2003, 07:02 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 17 2003, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AzNBuffGrL @ Jul 17 2003, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
But to tell you the truth though, Keanu Reeves really doesn't look that Asian and I'm assuming doesn't have a whole lot of whatever ethnicity he is from either, I couldn't consider him as same as me anyday. I wouldn't see him being a representative of an AA community at all. Maybe Russel Wong, but not him. [/b][/quote]
Oh, well great! So you are only reconfirming the fact that the Asian-American community is defined by phenotypical looks then. How wonderful!

Do you consider me Asian then? [/b][/quote]
i think it's great when hapas actors/actresses are given a break, but if you have to look part white to be accepted, that doesn't do very much for the asian community.

nonamerasian

07-17-2003, 07:05 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 17 2003, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>All of the countries in south America DO speak spanish tho.. (besides Brazil).[/b][/quote]
Which statement are you referring to?

If it’s the “Latino” one, Brazil isn’t in Latin America.

Latinos are people of Spanish-speaking Latin American countries.

If it’s “Hispanic,” you don’t need to speak Spanish to be a Hispanic.  Actually, a good majority of those classified as Latinos in this country are only proficient in English, so defining a Hispanic as one who speaks Spanish is faulty.

Erendani

07-17-2003, 07:09 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 18 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh, well great! So you are only reconfirming the fact that the Asian-American community is defined by phenotypical looks then. How wonderful!

Do you consider me Asian then? [/b][/quote]
Asians didn't make up these rules... white people did.  Phenotypical looks is what keeps Americanized Asians like me from being considered fully American by other white Americans.  Don't complain to Asians, complain to whites.

White people will accept you as one of them cuz you look white, me, I am still considered somewhat less American. 

For example, one place I dislike a lot are American patriotism rallies/parades ... I have gotten too many snide comments (e.g. what is that Jap doing here) to avoid them altogether.

Whatever racism you see AAs exhibit, whites do just as badly.

nonamerasian

07-17-2003, 07:10 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 17 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Blasphemy!

Nomar Garciaparra is the Shortstop of the Boston Red Sox and was dominant in the 1990's He, Derek Jeter, and Alex Rodriguez were considered the top 3 shortstops in the game to follow in the wake of Cal Ripken Jr.[/b][/quote]
Oh!

(I'm pondering whether I should also mention that I thought Ripken was a football player and am shocked that it is actually baseball, but I guess one blasphemous statement is enough, huh?:blush:)

Erendani

07-17-2003, 07:11 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 18 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Do you consider me Asian then? [/b][/quote]

Personally, I consider you Asian if you are culturally Asian... I knew this white looking hapa who was more Korean than me... I always referred to him as Korean.

And actually, you look kind of Jewish... have you ever gotten that one?

coagulated fat

07-17-2003, 07:23 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 17 2003, 05:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Whatever racism you see AAs exhibit, whites do just as badly.[/b][/quote]

That doesn't excuse AA stereotyping by phenotype in any way.

BeTheReds

07-17-2003, 07:32 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 18 2003, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 18 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Do you consider me Asian then? [/b][/quote]

Personally, I consider you Asian if you are culturally Asian... I knew this white looking hapa who was more Korean than me... I always referred to him as Korean.

And actually, you look kind of Jewish... have you ever gotten that one? [/b][/quote]
edit: [expletive deleted]

edit:  sorry, I totally lost it.

If you notice I wasn't asking what you thought I look like. Yes I have gotten that before and it infuriates me.

AliBabaIncorporated

07-17-2003, 07:37 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 17 2003, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 18 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh, well great! So you are only reconfirming the fact that the Asian-American community is defined by phenotypical looks then. How wonderful!

Do you consider me Asian then? [/b][/quote]
Asians didn't make up these rules... white people did. Phenotypical looks is what keeps Americanized Asians like me from being considered fully American by other white Americans. Don't complain to Asians, complain to whites. [/b][/quote]
Uh no. It's Asian-American "political leaders" who will insist on the political and social lumping-together of Chinese, Hawaiians, Bangladeshis, Chamorros, Indonesians, green-eyed Afghani girls from the cover of National Geographic, Uighurs, etc. who don't look anything like each other. And they're the same ones who tolerate the demonization of whites in mainstream AA English-language publications.

kasia

07-17-2003, 07:55 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AliBabaIncorporated @ Jul 17 2003, 05:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 17 2003, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 18 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh, well great! So you are only reconfirming the fact that the Asian-American community is defined by phenotypical looks then. How wonderful!

Do you consider me Asian then? [/b][/quote]
Asians didn't make up these rules... white people did. Phenotypical looks is what keeps Americanized Asians like me from being considered fully American by other white Americans. Don't complain to Asians, complain to whites. [/b][/quote]
Uh no. It's Asian-American "political leaders" who will insist on the political and social lumping-together of Chinese, Hawaiians, Bangladeshis, Chamorros, Indonesians, green-eyed Afghani girls from the cover of National Geographic, Uighurs, etc. who don't look anything like each other. And they're the same ones who tolerate the demonization of whites in mainstream AA English-language publications. [/b][/quote]
no, they're just playing the game.  people v. hall.  ever read that case?

BeTheReds

07-17-2003, 08:58 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 18 2003, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Asians didn't make up these rules... white people did. Phenotypical looks is what keeps Americanized Asians like me from being considered fully American by other white Americans. Don't complain to Asians, complain to whites.
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I should complain to whites that Asians don't accept me as Asian because of my politcal beliefs? How would that solve anything?

Why do you want to perpetuate the status quo?

I accept you as fully American, why can't you accept me as an Asian American? Is it because some white guy called you not American that you have to go an discriminate against a white looking guy in the same way to compensate?

(not you as in you eridani, but you as in Asian America...)

BeTheReds

07-17-2003, 08:59 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nonamerasian @ Jul 18 2003, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Oh!

(I'm pondering whether I should also mention that I thought Ripken was a football player and am shocked that it is actually baseball, but I guess one blasphemous statement is enough, huh?:blush:) [/b][/quote]
Why will Orioles never get any respect or recognition? :cry:

AliBabaIncorporated

07-17-2003, 09:02 PM

http://www.geocities.com/sailerfraud/artic..._marriages.html (http://www.geocities.com/sailerfraud/articles/ir_marriages.html)
This guy claims, using statistics from US Census and Army, claims that the 3:1 outmarriage imbalance is a myth explained by war brides and mail-order brides coming into the country and skewing the numbers, and that in fact among the US born or 1.5 generation kids, only Filipinos and Koreans have an outmarriage imbalance.

I've emailed the guy to ask some statistical nuts and bolts questions, but from what I so far see his conclusions are surprisingly sound ...

AngryABCGirl

07-21-2003, 12:39 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeTheReds @ Jul 17 2003, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erendani @ Jul 18 2003, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Asians didn't make up these rules... white people did. Phenotypical looks is what keeps Americanized Asians like me from being considered fully American by other white Americans. Don't complain to Asians, complain to whites.
[/b][/quote]
I should complain to whites that Asians don't accept me as Asian because of my politcal beliefs? How would that solve anything?

Why do you want to perpetuate the status quo?

I accept you as fully American, why can't you accept me as an Asian American? Is it because some white guy called you not American that you have to go an discriminate against a white looking guy in the same way to compensate?

(not you as in you eridani, but you as in Asian America...) [/b][/quote]
I haven't read the posts proceeding this, but I accept you as fully Asian-American because well, you're Asian.  Not everyone will though, although I think that's faulty because well, you're Asian.  Not saying you aren't white/take your pick, but you're still definitely Asian if you're Hapa, even if just racially.  I might not accept a Hapa to be ethnically and culturally Chinese or whatever if they aren't culturally Asian, but I wouldn't accept a lot Asian-Americans to be either.

Being accepting as fully American by mainstream America, if you're Asian even if you're Hapa, doesn't seem very plausible though.  In fact, it's overly idealistic.  It's not like tons of white people are having this conspiracy agains the Asian invaders coming and taking over!  It's just that the image and mentality of what is American is White or maybe even Black that the whole world holds.  It's just a fact of life right now. 

It's also a fact of life that some Asians don't really want to be called just American.  I'm "Chinese-American" right now, that's my label right?  If I had to pick one, I'd choose the Chinese without looking back, and you'll find hundreds of people who feel that way.

Unless those two mentalities change, those facts aren't going to change.

Emperor_Mike

07-21-2003, 12:37 PM

All these artificial lines of division and so-called social "rules..."

Why must we feel compelled to live our lives observing such ridiculous things to begin with? Date anyone you'd like! We shouldn't have to feel awkward for wanting to pursue our personal wishes and as far as the opinions of other people are concerned, we should ignore them! Life is too short to linger on inconsequential individuals and their petty snide remarks on "racial dating guidelines." The problem is, we care too much on useless things and too little on issues that matter most.

punkdrummer56

07-21-2003, 03:23 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Jul 21 2003, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> All these artificial lines of division and so-called social "rules..."

Why must we feel compelled to live our lives observing such ridiculous things to begin with? Date anyone you'd like! We shouldn't have to feel awkward for wanting to pursue our personal wishes and as far as the opinions of other people are concerned, we should ignore them! Life is too short to linger on inconsequential individuals and their petty snide remarks on "racial dating guidelines." The problem is, we care too much on useless things and too little on issues that matter most. [/b][/quote]
i totally agree w/ u. the only thing that bugs me is when i get the feeling that some of my female friends are subconsciously ruling out all asian guys b/c they hate their dads or something. i dunno, maybe i just like to psychoanalyze my friends.

u know what i mean though?? i get offended when my friends rule out a segment of the population w/o fail, and sometimes (not always) it's an unconscious rebellion thing.

Emperor_Mike

07-21-2003, 07:40 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (punkdrummer56 @ Jul 21 2003, 01:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Emperor_Mike @ Jul 21 2003, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> All these artificial lines of division and so-called social "rules..."

Why must we feel compelled to live our lives observing such ridiculous things to begin with? Date anyone you'd like! We shouldn't have to feel awkward for wanting to pursue our personal wishes and as far as the opinions of other people are concerned, we should ignore them! Life is too short to linger on inconsequential individuals and their petty snide remarks on "racial dating guidelines." The problem is, we care too much on useless things and too little on issues that matter most. [/b][/quote]
i totally agree w/ u. the only thing that bugs me is when i get the feeling that some of my female friends are subconsciously ruling out all asian guys b/c they hate their dads or something. i dunno, maybe i just like to psychoanalyze my friends.

u know what i mean though?? i get offended when my friends rule out a segment of the population w/o fail, and sometimes (not always) it's an unconscious rebellion thing. [/b][/quote]
Your friends' faults are in no way your own. If they have difficulties with Asian men, then it's their own demon to wrestle with. Far be it for you to worry yourself and experience a drop in self-esteem on the account that someone else's psychological problems are getting in the way of their relationships. It's your life; do with it as you