GREAT ASIAN LEADERS

[kuanyin]

I'd like to get a list of who you think is a great leader. let me know why you think they are great. This is serious. I want to do some research.

[SunWuKong]

Zhou Enlai

i think i shall write a short biographical post about him for YW.

[Craig]

Genghis Khan

[Emperor_Mike]

1) Deng Xio Peng - Progressive economic policies

2) Shi Huang Ti - Unifier of China

3) Mao Tse Tung - Inspiring military leader and builder of Communist China

4) Emperor Zhu Di (Yongle) - Sponsored the voyages of Zheng He and was a very capable administrator who put China back on her feet following the rebellion of Zhu Yuanzhang. He also moved the capital back to Beijing after allegedly being told that the location at Nanking was vulnerable to artillery fire.


If you require more, let me know. :)

[moschikat]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jul 1 2003, 01:34 PM
Zhou Enlai

i think i shall write a short biographical post about him for YW.
I'm reading "The Dragon's Pearl."

I concur.

[BeTheReds]

Kim Il Sung - Fought the Japanese as part of a guerilla resistance in Manchuria during WWII, then got himself installed as the "Great Leader" in North Korea, managed to not lose a war against the USA (with the help of Mao of course,) Creator of Juche, outperformed rival South Korea in the first 30 years of North Korea's existence economically, with no foreign aid (meanwhile SK was recieving tons of aid from the USA), managed to not be a bloc nation of the Soviet Union or China (unlike all of eastern Europe). Was a hero to North and South Koreans alike, (tho it would be disadvantageous for southerners to say so...)



Mhatma Gandhi - Defeated the British Empire and gained the independence of India peacefully.

Whoever was in control of Japan's military from 1905-1945 - convinced the government that a military strategy for the period was most important and necesary to regimentalize society from even elementary school, convinced the Japanese public by and large not to question the actions of the military, even convincing some that they were more superior than any other Asian, forged an alliance with Nazi Germany despite being far from Aryan, convinced Japanese people that death in battle was honorable, was able to get away with tons of war crimes and atrocities without ever having to once step foot in a courtroom. That is pure leadership skill for you.

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jul 2 2003, 02:55 AM
Whoever was in control of Japan's military from 1905-1945 - convinced the government that a military strategy for the period was most important and necesary to regimentalize society from even elementary school, convinced the Japanese public by and large not to question the actions of the military, even convincing some that they were more superior than any other Asian, forged an alliance with Nazi Germany despite being far from Aryan, convinced Japanese people that death in battle was honorable, was able to get away with tons of war crimes and atrocities without ever having to once step foot in a courtroom.  That is pure leadership skill for you.
I think Emperor Hirohito is probably the only person who was in power for most of that time, so I guess if you were to attribute that stuff to any one person it'd have to be him.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by YuheiCarreau@Jul 2 2003, 05:08 PM
I think Emperor Hirohito is probably the only person who was in power for most of that time, so I guess if you were to attribute that stuff to any one person it'd have to be him.
I don't think he had control of anything though. He had no power at all. The military leaders were the ones running things.. they just "acted in his name". Hirohito had as much power then as the King of England had.

Possibly his only crime was allowing the imperial institution to be used to legitimize the actions of the military.

[AngryABCGirl]

The Meijji dunno how to spell it government that decided that Japan to modernize and lift itself from isolation that would eventually make itself a dominant power.

[Chinese Tourist]

omg all these communists..


anyhow

Han Wudi
Tang Taizong <-- my favoritest
Oda Nobunaga
Toyotomi Hideyoshi
Sun Yat Sen
Tang "Ming Huang"
Cao Cao
Liu Bang
Ming Yongle
Shi Huangdi
Pan Chao
Su Dingfang
Yue Fei
Ho Chiuping
Kao Hsien Tz
some Turkic generals
some Korean general
some Korean admiral
some guerrilla leaders
some Vietnamese guerrilla leaders
some Tibetan generals
Zhang Qian
the Han envoys to the barbarians, some who were captured by the Hsiung Nu and detained for years until they escaped or were rescued
even the Hsiung Nu leaders, and the other barbarian leaders, if you are so inclined
the various trickster Chinese generals and advisers throughout history (creative and clever strategies in defeating their enemies)
the Han general who went west in pursuit of one of the last Hsiung Nu leaders, forged his own imperial orders and left with his army into the abruptly into the desert, leaving behind all the had known.. (they were acting on forged orders after all) they arrived at the enemy capital 1,000 miles from the official Imperial border, were insulted by the enemy, defeated the garrison and razed the capital to the ground, in the meanwhile capturing 100 or so Roman soldiers
etc etc etc

and then your own time after Qing fall to Communist takeover, there are plenty of personalities and leaders and generals there - don't just rely on Communist brainwashing

Communism is BAD, remember that

[VV o n g B a]

Originally posted by Chinese Tourist@Jul 2 2003, 06:52 AM
Communism is BAD, remember that
:lol: :lol: yeah, gotta keep that one in mind.

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by AzNBuffGrL@Jul 2 2003, 02:50 AM
The Meijji dunno how to spell it government that decided that Japan to modernize and lift itself from isolation that would eventually make itself a dominant power.
Military adventures and the colonial occupation of Korea, China, and the rest of South East Asia were the result of rapid modernisation, not of any long standing policy of the Meiji Dynasty. Once the old warrior classes got their hands on weapons like maganize fed bolt action rifles, quick firing rifled artillery and steel warships, centuries of martial tradition began to force its way into the civilian government.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by moschikat@Jul 2 2003, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jul 1 2003, 01:34 PM
Zhou Enlai

i think i shall write a short biographical post about him for YW.
I'm reading "The Dragon's Pearl."

I concur.
i just looked up this book on the web, and holy shit what an interesting subject! i want to read it now.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chinese Tourist@Jul 2 2003, 07:52 AM
omg all these communists..


anyhow

Han Wudi
Tang Taizong <-- my favoritest
Oda Nobunaga
Toyotomi Hideyoshi
Sun Yat Sen
Tang "Ming Huang"
Cao Cao
Liu Bang
Ming Yongle
Shi Huangdi
Pan Chao
Su Dingfang
Yue Fei
Ho Chiuping
Kao Hsien Tz
some Turkic generals
some Korean general
some Korean admiral
some guerrilla leaders
some Vietnamese guerrilla leaders
some Tibetan generals
Zhang Qian
the Han envoys to the barbarians, some who were captured by the Hsiung Nu and detained for years until they escaped or were rescued
even the Hsiung Nu leaders, and the other barbarian leaders, if you are so inclined
the various trickster Chinese generals and advisers throughout history (creative and clever strategies in defeating their enemies)
the Han general who went west in pursuit of one of the last Hsiung Nu leaders, forged his own imperial orders and left with his army into the abruptly into the desert, leaving behind all the had known.. (they were acting on forged orders after all) they arrived at the enemy capital 1,000 miles from the official Imperial border, were insulted by the enemy, defeated the garrison and razed the capital to the ground, in the meanwhile capturing 100 or so Roman soldiers
etc etc etc

and then your own time after Qing fall to Communist takeover, there are plenty of personalities and leaders and generals there - don't just rely on Communist brainwashing

Communism is BAD, remember that
um... you do realise that some of these people are worse than the communists, like Oda Nobunaga, Cao Cao, and especially Shi Huangdi, right? and you do realise that the "guerrila leaders" that you mentioned are communists right? the guerrila tactic was signature of and invented by Mao and adopted by Korean, Vietnamese, and Cuban communists.

and just so you know, there are almost no communist countries left anymore. China is more like a capitalistic quasi-fascist state. North Korea is just plain authoritative (a "communist" state where the highest position of power is passed on to the son of the previous leader? surely you jest!). not sure about Cuba.

[deez nuts]

ming the merciless

[rakovlam]

Mhatma Gandhi - Defeated the British Empire and gained the independence of India peacefully.

Not quite peacefully. One important matter to settle after independence was tension between Muslims and Hindus. Well, Gandhi couldn't quite solve that problem and was assassinated by a Hindu as a result. After his death, conflict between Muslims and Hindus still occur now and they get pretty nasty (several hundred killed per fight).



Anyway, all those leaders who manage to convince people Communism is the way to go.... or is that really easy to do?

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by rakovlam@Jul 2 2003, 07:45 PM
Anyway, all those leaders who manage to convince people Communism is the way to go.... or is that really easy to do?
Actually, yes. Convincing people to hate the rich and take their property? It's surprising more countries around the world didn't have revolutions ...

Economic studies have demonstrated that people are willing to pay (more specifically, forego receiving money) if someone who is richer than them will suffer an even bigger loss.

[ChinaLama]

Moses. Jesus. Paul of Tarsus. Muhammad. Buddha. i think starting religions that changed the world and are followed by 2/5 or more of the world would make one a great Asian leader. :)

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jul 3 2003, 09:50 AM
Actually, yes. Convincing people to hate the rich and take their property? It's surprising more countries around the world didn't have revolutions ...

Economic studies have demonstrated that people are willing to pay (more specifically, forego receiving money) if someone who is richer than them will suffer an even bigger loss.
No, it's countries where the majority of the people are poor when they want to be communist.

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by rakovlam@Jul 2 2003, 04:45 PM
Anyway, all those leaders who manage to convince people Communism is the way to go.... or is that really easy to do?
The down-trodden, impoverished, and mentally weak are easily led to believe in whatever a leader wishes. Sometimes even "intelligent" people fall for the ruse if the conditions are right. But in general people like Hitler and Napoleon got to where they were largely due to the fact that lived in a society torn apart by conflict and by words and deeds they managed to claw their way up to the top. To some they are unifiers while to others they are ruinous demagogues who preyed on the emotions of the hapless.

To be ruled by emotions is a dangerous thing, but to live without any is considerably worse.

[yoMAMA]

Sun Zhongshan, or Sun Yetsen

respected as the father of the chinese republic in both the PRC and ROC

http://image.muzi.com/icon_c/20150_001_a.jpg

[Chinese Tourist]

naw

Shi Huangdi was Mao Zedong's hero

Shi Huangdi only ruled a country of about 10 million, Mao ruled a much larger population and killed many more, and he tried to import foreign ideas from powers who were intent on destroying China

guerrilla warfare is very ancient, for example Le Loi (?) and others who led uprisings against Chinese imperial occupation of Vietnam

anyhow you have to admit Mao was pretty badass at outsmarting the Nationalists, however cr4ppy communism turned out to be

my list is both people who I admire and people who I am neutral about and who obviously were quite capable and badass people - a lot of Communists fall under the 2nd category but they tried to destroy Chinese culture, and their leadership was not overall genius, like that of for instance Tang Taizong

sure people were bad but Communists were assaulting the soul of China, as if they were enemies, and our history is so underappreciated in the west. To see people name a few stereotypical Communists and ONLY them is a great shame. Communists may have been capable but they were fools, they believed empty and dangerous dreams, and in their rebelliousness they cost China a great deal

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chinese Tourist@Jul 7 2003, 11:44 PM
naw

Shi Huangdi was Mao Zedong's hero

Shi Huangdi only ruled a country of about 10 million, Mao ruled a much larger population and killed many more, and he tried to import foreign ideas from powers who were intent on destroying China

guerrilla warfare is very ancient, for example Le Loi (?) and others who led uprisings against Chinese imperial occupation of Vietnam

anyhow you have to admit Mao was pretty badass at outsmarting the Nationalists, however cr4ppy communism turned out to be

my list is both people who I admire and people who I am neutral about and who obviously were quite capable and badass people - a lot of Communists fall under the 2nd category but they tried to destroy Chinese culture, and their leadership was not overall genius, like that of for instance Tang Taizong

sure people were bad but Communists were assaulting the soul of China, as if they were enemies, and our history is so underappreciated in the west. To see people name a few stereotypical Communists and ONLY them is a great shame. Communists may have been capable but they were fools, they believed empty and dangerous dreams, and in their rebelliousness they cost China a great deal
i think some of their ideas might not have been very good, and yes, they did destroy a lot of ancient documents and architecture unnecessarily. but let's face it, there were a lot of Chinese culture and tradition that needed changing and that's exactly what they did. what exactly is considered "assulting the soul of China"? getting rid of Confucian ideals? that was very good for China. Confucianism kept China isolationistic, it kept China as a sexist and classist society. like it or not, the Communists did modernise much of China - and more often or not that meant getting rid of old traditions.

[supernova]

Here are my vietnamese heroes:
The Trung Sisters (very famous women in Vietnam History. They, however got defeated and decide to sucide by drowning themselve to a famous river...)

Tran Hung Dao --- Chen Xing Dao in Chinese-- defeated Kublai Khan (Genghis Khan's grandson) 's humongous army three times.

[krome]

Chairman Mao and Genghis Khan? Both ruthless power-mongers who ruled with iron fists? You gotta be shyttin me. I guess some people just think might=right. Well, most people prolly do... :(

[yoMAMA]

Even though Qin Shihuang was one of China's greatest tyrants, I must say I still admire him for ending the warring states period, and unifying China.

<img src='http://www.chinavoc.com/history/qin/images/qshh.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[amietron]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Jul 2 2003, 05:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Jul 2 2003, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moses. Jesus. Paul of Tarsus. Muhammad.&nbsp; Buddha. i think starting religions that changed the world and are followed by 2/5 or more of the world would make one a great Asian leader. :) [/b][/quote]
Siddhartha Guatama? Before he became the Buddha or afterwards?

[ModernLogic]

Hands down people... It's Wong Fei Hong. I mean come on, his no-shadow kick can whoop anyone's ass. LOL. JK

But seriously, here are my favorite Chinese leaders: Deng Xiao Ping, Zhu Rong Ji and Hu Jin Tao. But definitely not the mass-murderer known as Mao Ze Dong. Any Chinese who considers Mao a decent human being is either thoroughly brainwashed by the PRC, mentally retarded, insane or one of Mao's surviving relatives.

Mao persecuted China's educated elites in the Anti-Rightist Movement. Mao starved 20-30 million people to death in the Great Leap forward. Mao murdered millions of more innocents during the Cultural Revolution. Come on people, wake up! Mao is the lowest scum of the earth. It is my dream one day to rip his portrait off Tienanmen and desecrate his body.

[RasFarengi]

Deng XiaoPing, Meiji-Tenno, Dr. Mahathir Bin Mohamad, Lee Kuan Yew, Kakuei Tanaka.

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-Xiao Rong Ji+Aug 4 2003, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Aug 4 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hands down people... It's Wong Fei Hong. I mean come on, his no-shadow kick can whoop anyone's ass. LOL. JK

But seriously, here are my favorite Chinese leaders: Deng Xiao Ping, Zhu Rong Ji and Hu Jin Tao. But definitely not the mass-murderer known as Mao Ze Dong. Any Chinese who considers Mao a decent human being is either thoroughly brainwashed by the PRC, mentally retarded, insane or one of Mao's surviving relatives.

Mao persecuted China's educated elites in the Anti-Rightist Movement. Mao starved 20-30 million people to death in the Great Leap forward. Mao murdered millions of more innocents during the Cultural Revolution. Come on people, wake up! Mao is the lowest scum of the earth. It is my dream one day to rip his portrait off Tienanmen and desecrate his body. [/b][/quote]
Hu Jintao? i believe he has yet to prove himself in the world stage.

i don't like Mao Zedong either, but to be honest, Mao himself was unaware of the damages that the Great Leap was causing until it was too late. it was just out of ignorance and stupidity that he starved 30 million people. that's pretty bad, but not as bad as intentionally doing so. <_<

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-RasFarengi+Aug 4 2003, 08:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RasFarengi @ Aug 4 2003, 08:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Lee Kuan Yew [/b][/quote]
it's amazing how he lifted Singapore up into one of the best economies of the world, but some of his policies are pretty questionable. a great Asian leader, nonetheless.

[yoMAMA]

<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 4 2003, 10:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 4 2003, 10:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Xiao Rong Ji+Aug 4 2003, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Aug 4 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hands down people... It's Wong Fei Hong.&nbsp; I mean come on, his no-shadow kick can whoop anyone's ass. LOL. JK

But seriously, here are my favorite Chinese leaders:&nbsp; Deng Xiao Ping, Zhu Rong Ji and Hu Jin Tao.&nbsp; But definitely not the mass-murderer known as Mao Ze Dong.&nbsp; Any Chinese who considers Mao a decent human being is either thoroughly brainwashed by the PRC, mentally retarded, insane or one of Mao's surviving relatives.

Mao persecuted China's educated elites in the Anti-Rightist Movement.&nbsp; Mao starved 20-30 million people to death in the Great Leap forward.&nbsp; Mao murdered millions of more innocents during the Cultural Revolution.&nbsp; Come on people, wake up!&nbsp; Mao is the lowest scum of the earth.&nbsp; It is my dream one day to rip his portrait off Tienanmen and desecrate his body. [/b][/quote]
Hu Jintao? i believe he has yet to prove himself in the world stage.

i don't like Mao Zedong either, but to be honest, Mao himself was unaware of the damages that the Great Leap was causing until it was too late. it was just out of ignorance and stupidity that he starved 30 million people. that's pretty bad, but not as bad as intentionally doing so. <_< [/b][/quote]
I don't know if he did it intentionally to starve people to death in the great leap forward, but the cultural revolution was planned by him all the way, so to purge the communist party of the veterans of the revolution (such as Liu Shaoqi), and consolidate his power.

Mao is a very paranoid person, and his reads a lot of books on Chinese history, espeically emperors.

Which is a lethal combination because a lof of Chinese history is about imperial intrigue, and purging 开国功臣。


For example, 明太祖 朱元璋。

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 5 2003, 10:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 5 2003, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 4 2003, 10:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 4 2003, 10:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Xiao Rong Ji+Aug 4 2003, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Aug 4 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hands down people... It's Wong Fei Hong. I mean come on, his no-shadow kick can whoop anyone's ass. LOL. JK

But seriously, here are my favorite Chinese leaders: Deng Xiao Ping, Zhu Rong Ji and Hu Jin Tao. But definitely not the mass-murderer known as Mao Ze Dong. Any Chinese who considers Mao a decent human being is either thoroughly brainwashed by the PRC, mentally retarded, insane or one of Mao's surviving relatives.

Mao persecuted China's educated elites in the Anti-Rightist Movement. Mao starved 20-30 million people to death in the Great Leap forward. Mao murdered millions of more innocents during the Cultural Revolution. Come on people, wake up! Mao is the lowest scum of the earth. It is my dream one day to rip his portrait off Tienanmen and desecrate his body. [/b][/quote]
Hu Jintao? i believe he has yet to prove himself in the world stage.

i don't like Mao Zedong either, but to be honest, Mao himself was unaware of the damages that the Great Leap was causing until it was too late. it was just out of ignorance and stupidity that he starved 30 million people. that's pretty bad, but not as bad as intentionally doing so. <_< [/b][/quote]
I don't know if he did it intentionally to starve people to death in the great leap forward, but the cultural revolution was planned by him all the way, so to purge the communist party of the veterans of the revolution (such as Liu Shaoqi), and consolidate his power.

Mao is a very paranoid person, and his reads a lot of books on Chinese history, espeically emperors.

Which is a lethal combination because a lof of Chinese history is about imperial intrigue, and purging 开国功臣。


For example, 明太祖 朱元璋。 [/b][/quote]
his plan was to quickly modernise China, and he thought that he could take people off the rice fields and China would still produce enough food to feed everybody. he gave local officials quotas to fill for their production. the local officials didn't want to get in trouble for not filling quotas, and so they lied. when it was discovered that local officials had been lying and that there was, in reality, not enough food to feed everybody, it was already too late. it affected even Mao's own diet. even he didn't have as much or as good food to eat during the height of the Great Leap.

as for the Cultural Revolution, that didn't kill nearly as many people. the number of deaths was under a million. ok, that's really bad, but nowhere nearly as bad as 30 million in the Great Leap. in my mind, the Great Leap was always a bigger tragedy than the Cultural Revolution. the biggest effect of the Cultural Revolution was that it threw people's lives and families into chaos. people were moved around, families were broken, careers were ruined. and many people committed suicide, too. basically it was 10 years of social and technological advancement lost to China, and in the 20th century, that was a lot.

[yoMAMA]

I believe more than 1 million people were killed during the cultural revolution.

Sure, Mao wanted to modernize China, but he is also very tyranical.

Have you lived through the cultural revolution?

My family has, and some of them was imprisoned for years, tortured, and almost excecuted.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

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Lee Kuan Yew. N. 20th-century social scientist. Proved by experiment that you can put three and a half million Chinese people into a big, multicultural city, give them all minimum $20k/year jobs, and still have them come out with kampong mentality ...

[RasFarengi]

kampong mentality ...


what is that?

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 5 2003, 11:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 5 2003, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I believe more than 1 million people were killed during the cultural revolution.

Sure, Mao wanted to modernize China, but he is also very tyranical.

Have you lived through the cultural revolution?

My family has, and some of them was imprisoned for years, tortured, and almost excecuted. [/b][/quote]
don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say that it was a good thing. i think the Cultural Revolution was terrible and it was brought on by Mao's giant ego and misguided vision.

[Red_Matrix]

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say that it was a good thing. i think the Cultural Revolution was terrible and it was brought on by Mao's giant ego and misguided vision.

Yeah, telling gangs of young teens to go out and wreak havoc throughout the country. Surely a utopian "everybody is equal" type of society Mao was trying to create. B)

I have to agree with BTR, communism is B.A.D. Thumbs up to Burkean capitalism!

[Ogumo]

Mao was a great leader. Same for Timujin. He was one powerful mongolian. Meiji Tenno and oda noubunaga the man that unified japan.

[dalawampu]

For the Philippines a few would be:

Rajah Lapu Lapu who was the first to refuse to be a subject of spain when Magellan sailed to our islands in 1521.

Jose Rizal a great scholar and early philippine revolutionary leader.

Gabriela Silang, the first Filipino woman to lead a revolt during the Spanish colonization of the Philippines and fought to the death, just like the legendary Suriyothai of Siam who fought the invading burmese.

there are many other great filipino leaders as well!

[Mr.Lum]

How about Emilio Aguinaldo (sp)?

I know some people will prolly disagree but I think Ho Chi Minh and Giap were good leaders as well.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Empress Dowager. I'd hit that.

[Leviticus]

King Chi Wu (치우 蚩尤) of Bai-dal

was a military genius and subjugated much of today's China. In about 2,700 BC, he sent an army led by Hyung Oh to occupy Tibet. Tibet remained a part of Bai-dal for about 800 years. King Chi Wu appears in Chinese chronicles and his grave located in Shantung has been excavated. Today, some of Chi Wu' soldiers settled in in the Golden Triangle of Burma and their descendents are still there.

King Chi Wu's military successes were due not only to his superior tactics but also to his weaponry. He introduced explosives and chemical weapons to make clouds and loud noises. His army was equipped with swords, axes, arrowheads, and lance tips, which were made of bronze while his enemies were still in the Stone Age. His troops used catapults, high-power crossbows, wild dogs and even elephants. All of these were 'modern' weapons of his era.

The Bai-dal people were avid pyramid builders, more so than the Egyptians. The Korean pyramids were first discovered by an American pilot in 1945, who were ferrying supplies to Chiang Kaisek's troops in Manchuria. He took pictures of the pyramids and published them in newspapers. Until then, the pyramids were thought to natural hills. Since then about one hundred pyramids have been discovered, the one of which is larger than the largest Egyptian pyramid. Some of the pyramids are more than 2,000 years older than the oldest Egyptian pyramid.

http://www.kimsoft.com/2004/go-chosun.htm

[SunWuKong]

King Chi Wu (치우 蚩尤) of Bai-dal

was a military genius and subjugated much of today's China. In about 2,700 BC, he sent an army led by Hyung Oh to occupy Tibet. Tibet remained a part of Bai-dal for about 800 years. King Chi Wu appears in Chinese chronicles and his grave located in Shantung has been excavated. Today, some of Chi Wu' soldiers settled in in the Golden Triangle of Burma and their descendents are still there.

King Chi Wu's military successes were due not only to his superior tactics but also to his weaponry. He introduced explosives and chemical weapons to make clouds and loud noises. His army was equipped with swords, axes, arrowheads, and lance tips, which were made of bronze while his enemies were still in the Stone Age. His troops used catapults, high-power crossbows, wild dogs and even elephants. All of these were 'modern' weapons of his era.

The Bai-dal people were avid pyramid builders, more so than the Egyptians. The Korean pyramids were first discovered by an American pilot in 1945, who were ferrying supplies to Chiang Kaisek's troops in Manchuria. He took pictures of the pyramids and published them in newspapers. Until then, the pyramids were thought to natural hills. Since then about one hundred pyramids have been discovered, the one of which is larger than the largest Egyptian pyramid. Some of the pyramids are more than 2,000 years older than the oldest Egyptian pyramid.

http://www.kimsoft.com/2004/go-chosun.htm

you know, i have a problem taking anything on kimsoft.com on face value...

King Chi Wu's battle flag (circa 2,700 BC) is believed to be the origin of today's Korean flag, tae-guk-ki (inset). The Korean nation of Bai-dal under King Chi Wu ruled much of China, Siberia, and beyond.

http://www.kimsoft.com/2004/ChiWuFlag.jpg

both Chi Wu's flag and modern South Korea's flag were influenced by Daoism. Chi Wu lived around 2,700 BC, but Daoism's founder Laozi lived sometime between 3rd and 6th century BC. did Chi Wu actually founded Daoism some 2000+ years before Laozi?

[yellowperilgirl]

zhou enlai, zhuge liang and mu guiying. - YP

[BeTheReds]

Ulchi Mondok

[deez nuts]

the kims

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39345000/jpg/_39345537_kims203.jpg

[yoMAMA]

this guy is pretty influential, although he did crack down on the students @ tiananmen square.....:rolleyes:

http://www.tsquare.tv/media/0049_3.jpg

http://www.tsquare.tv/media/0050_3.jpg

[yuuteya]

Hotoke

Rather than "Asian" I would say a great human leader was/is Shakamuni, better known as Siddharta Gautama. As the Buddha he lead in a very subtle unnoticebale way, yet full of limitless power. And the results have astronomical proportions. Peace.

[hooligan]

Ironically, the people who have visions of the "new" anything (fill in the blank) are usually the people who are the oldest. : \ Whatever happened to listening to the youth?

[yuuteya]

Ironically, the people who have visions of the "new" anything (fill in the blank) are usually the people who are the oldest. : \ Whatever happened to listening to the youth?

Good point. I guess coz we still didnt have enough time, so young people havent yet made an big impact in the world. It takes time. Plus theres plenty of Age Discrimination, even when people cant notice it, but its still there. Like many adults dont want to listen to youth ideas and think were full of shit. They say we dont understand the deeper meaning or big picture, just because were young. Thats crap...
I dont know if I have any heros or role models that are young.
Theres members of music groups, MCs and DJs, people I admire coz they had a dream, worked hard, never gave up, but thats local stuff. But as for young "Asian leaders", thats global and political so it takes time to do...

[SunWuKong]

Ironically, the people who have visions of the "new" anything (fill in the blank) are usually the people who are the oldest. : \ Whatever happened to listening to the youth?

well you can't have "visions" unless you know what's been tried before, and what succeeded and failed in the past.