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kasia
06-10-2003, 11:39 PM
k, i'll admit that i'm obsessed with traditional chinese music. so i have to share this with you guys.

so they're always showing concubines in traditional chinese films playing the guzheng - which is sometimes known as the chinese piano. i know there is a korean equivalent that is smaller in size.

Description of the Guzheng
The Zheng, commonly known as "Guzheng, (pronounced "Goo-Zheng"), is a plucked string instrument that is part of the zither family, related to the Japanese koto, the Vietnamese dan tranh and the Korean kayagum. In fact, the guzheng is one of the most ancient Chinese musical instruments that recorded in written documents in the Qin dynasty (about 220 BC). Due to its lang history, the zheng has been called guzheng or Gu-Zheng where "Gu" stands for "ancient" in Chinese.

The Chinese character for "zheng" composed of two parts: the upper part means "bamboo" and the lower part is "argue" (see the above character). According to a legend, there was a master of se, 25-stringed zither, who had two talented daughters who love playing the instrument. Now there came a time that the master became too old, and wanted to pass his instrument over to one of them. However, both daughters wanted to have it. The master felt miserable and finally, out of desperate, he decided to split the instrument into two - one got 12 strings, and the other 13. To his amazement, the new instrument sounds mellow and even more beautiful than its original. The happy master gave the new instrument a new name "zheng" by making up the character with the symbolisms representing "bamboo" and "argue". The word "zheng", the name of this instrument, pronounces the same as the word "zheng" which means "argue" or "dispute". The origin of the Chinese character representing this instrument seems to indicate that the early version of the instrument was made of bamboo, which is different from that of today. However, this legendary story, though it might be true according to the origin of the Chinese character for this instrument, should not be taken too seriously.

Zheng (Guzheng) is build with a special wooden sound body with strings arched across movable bridges along the length of the instrument for the purpose of tuning. In the early times the zheng had 5 string; later on developed into 12 to 13 strings in the Tang Dynasty (618 - 907AD) and 16 strings in the Song and Ming dynasty (from the 10th to 15th century). The present day zheng usually has 21-25 strings. The instrumentalist plucks the strings with the right hand and touches the strings with the left hand to produce the desired pitch and create subtil tones and ornaments. The guzheng has been a popular instrument since ancient times and is considered as one of the main chamber as well as solo instruments of Chinese traditional music. Since the mid-19th century, guzheng solo repertoire has been growing and evolving towards an increasing technical complexity.


my favorite is the pipa.

Description of the Pipa
The pipa is a four stringed lute with a pear-shaped body. Its short, bent neck has 30 frets which extend onto the soundboard, offering a wide range. This instrument appears in texts dating up to the second century B.C. There are a lot of written texts of the Han Dynasty (206 BC - 220 AD) about pipa music played and the stories that inspired the composition for those pipa pieces. Since the Tang Dynasty (618-907), the pipa is one of the most popular Chinese instruments, and has maintained its appeal in solo as well as chamber genres. The pipa technique is characterised by spectacular finger dexterity and virtuosi programmatic effects. Rolls, slaps, pizzicato, harmonics and noises are often combined into extensive tone poems vividly describing famous battles or other exciting scenes. The instrument is also capable of more lyrical effects in pieces inspired by poetry, landscapes and historical themes. Pipa music has been loved by Chinese people through centuries and there used to be a large repertoire of pipa music, a lot of them were lost, and some of them were handed down from generation to generation through individual artists and scholars.

if you have time, you should check out the music of min xiao fen at MSN Entertainment (http://entertainment.msn.com/Artist/?artist=128157). her music is pretty amazing. she's also my former voice instructor. :D

which leads me to ask - is anybody else here into chinese opera? Peking Opera (http://deall.ohio-state.edu/bender.4/perform/pg1opera/default.htm) their performances would take your breath away. some people find their style of singing a little hard on the ears, but my belief is - it'll grow on you and you come to love it.

there's also the yang qing - which i have not yet learned to appreciate. and the er wu - which i also don't know much about...aside from the fact that there used to be this old man in san francisco chinatown that played it everyday...and he's not there anymore. :( he was very good, though.

what else is there?

SunWuKong
06-11-2003, 12:21 AM
oh i want to learn to play the er hu.

tapestrybabe
06-11-2003, 01:01 AM
Korean musical instruments

there's too many to name so i'll just post up the description of the few wind instruments...

Piri
http://www.korea.net/koreanculture/artguide/images/10_02s.gif

The piri is a cylindrical oboe with a long, wide double reed and eight finger holes. The thumbhole is always at the very back. The loud and distinctive tonal quality and timbre it produces makes the instrument ideal to lead the main melody in Korean court music or folk ensembles.

Taepyongso
http://www.korea.net/koreanculture/artguide/images/10_03s.gif

Taepyongso, literally "great peace flute," is a conical wooden oboe with eight finger holes, a metal mouthpiece and a cup-shaped metal bell. The instrument produces a very loud and piercing sound and is used for farmers' band music, traditional military band music and some folk music.


Dangjok
http://www.korea.net/koreanculture/artguide/images/10_04s.gif

The dangjok is the smallest transverse flute somewhat similar to the Western piccolo. The tonal quality is pure and clear, particularly in the upper register

Tanso
http://www.korea.net/koreanculture/artguide/images/10_05s.gif

The tanso is a small notched, vertical, bamboo flute with five finger holes, one of which is always found at the back. The tonal quality is exceedingly pure and delicate, making it a favored solo instrument.

moschikat
06-11-2003, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Jun 10 2003, 10:39 PM

which leads me to ask - is anybody else here into chinese opera? Peking Opera (http://deall.ohio-state.edu/bender.4/perform/pg1opera/default.htm) their performances would take your breath away. some people find their style of singing a little hard on the ears, but my belief is - it'll grow on you and you come to love it.

what else is there?
*hugs Kasie*

and i thought i was the only weird one!! (j/k)

i started going to the chinese operas with my grandfather on my dad's side, when i took summer trips to Bangkok, around five . . . they're really hard to find now . . . i don't know why :unsure:

Hmm, traditional Thai instrument that I was forced to learn how to play is the "kim"

looks like this one (http://www.mhs.mendocino.k12.ca.us/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/seasia)
all i remember is that i kept breaking the sticks . . . <_<

guess i wasn't "refined" and "ladylike" enough . . .

krome
07-09-2003, 09:26 AM
I'm not into the shrill Chinese Opera - must be an acquired taste?
I prefer Dai Chaing, Chinese star of Italian opera myself...(free sound clip available at end of presentation). (http://www.superstartheater.com/dai/dai_nessun_dorma.html)
Or Chinese soul-pop star Zhou JieLun (Jay Chou) (http://multistars.com/jaychoustudio/)
Anybody else feelin these cats?

AngryABCGirl
07-11-2003, 02:27 PM
I'd love to learn to play the Pipa.

luca
07-24-2005, 02:00 PM
I'd love to learn to play the Pipa.

How is your pipa learning, princess?

I'd love to learn myself. But it seems too difficult.

Just search the web, there are a lot of information around - MP3 and video for example.

raacluse
07-25-2005, 03:41 PM
Speaking of zithers, there's a group that consists of zheng, Kayagum, koto, and Korean percussion:

http://iiiz.jocelynclark.com

I was looking at somebody playing a pedal steel guitar this weekend, and thinking how it reminded me of a zither like a zheng. But I think it's lineage is more a product of Hawaiian-Nashville interaction. (Although, there's some that guess that the lap slide guitar sound might be traced to an Indian sailor who came to Hawaii.)

I've got an erhu, which I started to learn how to play in a Chinese music class in undergrad. (But I haven't played it in years.)

When recently visiting SoCal, I popped into a Mainland Chinese dvd/vcd/cd store and bought various stuff... including a vcd on beginning erhu and one of Jay Chou's music.

The latter turned out to be kinda odd. I thought I was getting a pirated compilation of some of his albums. (I don't read Chinese.) Instead, it's this karaoke-type recording, with landscape video of European mountain towns and mountains (Alps?), Chinese characters highlighted as the lyrics are sung (no bouncing balls), and insipid versions of his music. The people playing and singing his songs have drained much of the passion and syncopation out of them.

luca
07-25-2005, 09:05 PM
Speaking of zithers, there's a group that consists of zheng, Kayagum, koto, and Korean percussion:

http://iiiz.jocelynclark.com

The latter turned out to be kinda odd. ....

Thank you for point out the site. It is amazing combination, three zithers from three countries. Zheng is from China dated at least 2000 years(http://www.philmultic.com/guzheng/, then it went to Japan in the 6th century AD, the same name as in Chinese but only pronounced differently (koto in Japanese http://www.kotosociety.org/ ), and the kayagum is also originated from the Zheng (http://koto.sapp.org/dict/kayagum/. This group bring three of them together, amazing. I wonder where we can get some samples of their music. Do you happen to know a site where audio and video demo can be downloaded?

I was in China a few years ago. Indeed there are a lot of CDs labeled Chinese music. It is difficult to choose the one you want even if you can read Chinese. A lot of them just cheap pop staffs based on folk melodies or pop, with heaven electric background music, a kind of disgusting to listen if you want to listen traditional and classical music of pure acoustic kinds. There are also a lot of karaoke staffs with voice as you described. But they are not really good Chinese music. My experience is that you have to listen first, and then buy it if you like. So I used to spend hours in CD stores. Amazingly, you can find really wonderful music in solo, duet or ensemble. My personal choice is traditional and classical music for guqin (seven stringed zither), xiao (flute), guzheng, pipa (lute), erhu (fiddle), and the Mongolian matouqin. You can find information about these instruments in http://www.philmultic.com/home/instruments/index.html with sound samples. Real traditional Chinese music is deep, and even spirituel in a natural sense. I love guqin music by Gong Yi, Wu Jinlie, Zhang Zhiqian, Sheng Gongliang. There is a collections of Chinese classical music from Qin Dynasty (200BC) till the last Dynasty, 6 CDs in a very beautiful box. You should get it if you realy want to enjoy classical music. They are really wonderful to listen. Right now I am obsessed with Liu Fang's pipa music. You may try to download some pieces from here: http://www.philmultic.com/liufang/video/index.html. Her way of interpretation is very special. You can't help but draw into her world. :smile: