which is best industry to be in?

[Rogmok]

in terms of job satisfaction, work hours, compensation, work environment, stress, prestige, etc etc.. i know every job has good and bad.. but overall..

here are some possible one to choose from:

Tech
Financial services
Non-profit/Social services
Medical
Law
Education
Religious
unemployment.. :)

[sOKaLiBoY]

well i'm in the tech industry and it's a lot of stress. the pay is ok and luckly for me i only have to work 40 hrs a week. i have a couple of friends in the financial business and they work their asses off every day. i see them working 50-90 hrs a week. i dunno if there is an industry that is the best. i think whatever you like to do will make the job the best.

[SunWuKong]

well the tech industry has changed now. back in the internet boom, the pay was great and always on the increase, but work hours were also crazy. now the pay has either gone down or not increasing by that much any longer, but the hours are not as crazy anymore. if you're in IT, being an independent consultant is the way to go. you can get 6 figures easy with about 5 years of experience. IT consulting companies can really make a profit because they basically contract their people out to client projects, where the client pays them X amount, but only a fraction of that (less than half) actually goes to the consultants themselves. so basically the company sits there and collects a fat check. but of course you need to be able to sell your services, and right now, the government is basically the only people that are really spending money in IT.


anyway, what industry do i think is the best to be in? the industry of making money, of course. getting people who can do things better than you to do those things, and being able to sell to clients - that's the trick right there. doesn't matter what industry it is.

[Chester]

Do whatever.

Just make sure you don't sell, buy, or process anything. Don't sell anything bought or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed...or repair anything sold, bought, or processed.

Instead: Kickboxing. It's a new sport, but I think it's got a good future.

[Faithless]

One that doesn't layoff so quickly. :frown:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chester@May 13 2003, 02:54 PM
Just make sure you don't sell, buy, or process anything. Don't sell anything bought or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed...or repair anything sold, bought, or processed.
huh? :confused:

[angel nympho]

Subjective.

Doesn't it depend on what you find most personally gratifying? I mean, some people get real satisfaction out of certain things that I DEFINATELY would not enjoy.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@May 14 2003, 12:49 AM
Subjective.

Doesn't it depend on what you find most personally gratifying? I mean, some people get real satisfaction out of certain things that I DEFINATELY would not enjoy.
what if you find that making lots of money is personally gratifying?

[tommyhtown]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 13 2003, 10:43 AM
well the tech industry has changed now. back in the internet boom, the pay was great and always on the increase, but work hours were also crazy. now the pay has either gone down or not increasing by that much any longer, but the hours are not as crazy anymore. if you're in IT, being an independent consultant is the way to go. you can get 6 figures easy with about 5 years of experience. IT consulting companies can really make a profit because they basically contract their people out to client projects, where the client pays them X amount, but only a fraction of that (less than half) actually goes to the consultants themselves. so basically the company sits there and collects a fat check. but of course you need to be able to sell your services, and right now, the government is basically the only people that are really spending money in IT.
Yep, I agree that it's the way to go. I have been doing independent consulting for about three years now. It was great when I started out. Now, it's really hard to find clients nowadays. The local and state government ain't spending much either becauase of the economy and its effect on reduction of sales tax revenue. Most of my recent clients have the need for staff augmentation for a short period of time 3-6 months.

I think IT staffiing is also lucrative. The overhead is low. Again you bill the clients a certain amount but paying your contractor only 70% of what you charge. That's a nice profit right there. You can also work from your home office. All you have to do to be successful in this area is knowing the right people. Well, actually that's easier said than done. Pimping ain't easy.

[ism]

Porn.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by tommyhtown@May 14 2003, 02:22 AM
Yep, I agree that it's the way to go. I have been doing independent consulting for about three years now. It was great when I started out. Now, it's really hard to find clients nowadays. The local and state government ain't spending much either becauase of the economy and its effect on reduction of sales tax revenue. Most of my recent clients have the need for staff augmentation for a short period of time 3-6 months.

I think IT staffiing is also lucrative. The overhead is low. Again you bill the clients a certain amount but paying your contractor only 70% of what you charge. That's a nice profit right there. You can also work from your home office. All you have to do to be successful in this area is knowing the right people. Well, actually that's easier said than done. Pimping ain't easy.
where do you live? government contracting is actually not doing bad here in DC. of course all the work is at the federal level. we're all basically milking the government for all it's worth right now.

actually one of my ideas is to do IT recruiting for mid-sized firms wanting a piece of mainland china. i doubt the big multinational firms really need a recruiting company, but if i can get in on that, too, that would be awesome.

but yeah. knowing the right people. you pretty much need that for almost any kind of non-retail business. most importantly you need to know the right people to sell your services/products to.

[deez nuts]

medical has the job security but the pay in comparison to others of similar education level and work experience is on par. the hours also suck, but it gets better as you progress.

job satification is high, i guess. but also a lot of frustration i.e. filling out insurance forms, dealing with insurance companies, asshole patients, hospital bureaucracy. it's even higher now due to the new patient confidentiality law in ny aka HIPPA. it's like 40% doing doctor shit and 60% doing beauracratic bullshit i.e. paperwork, right now for me.

if i had to do it again, i would probably weigh MBA and medicine equally. i probably do MBA, but like they say the grass is always greener on the other side.

but in the end if money is your main impetus, i would go MBA. MD takes a lot more investment to make that six digit income. and in my own personal opinion in the long run, i would make on par with what my lawyer and mba friends make (with a good chunk of my income going to malpractice insurance). it just took mother f'ing long to get their financial status.

most of my lawyer and MBA friends are already bringing in $250,000 or more. i'm only pulling in close to $50,000 before taxes. i prolly won't see that kind of number for another 8-10 years or so.

but on the flipside, my job security is a lot better than theirs.

i think you just gotta decide on what you like doing (since you'll be doing it possibly for the rest of your life), find your niche, try to excel in it, be realistic in financial terms and you should be ok.

[SunWuKong]

well, as far as job satisfaction in being a programmer goes, there's really not much. most of my colleagues wouldn't want to be a programmer for the rest of their lives. you've got to be very nerdy to last 10, 20, or even more years without wanting to change career. a lot of programmers become project managers, and they stop writing software. i mean, most programmers get into programming because they were fascinated and interested in writing software, but when they discover how it is to do it for 40 to 60 hours a week, combined with the fact that usually you won't have very interesting software to write, the novelty quickly wears off after 2 or 3 years.

[Emperor_Mike]

Law is the way to go, I think. It's deemed a "noble profession" by many, though a good number of my soon-to-be colleagues have soiled that for the rest of us. It's also brilliant in terms of job security since, like doctors, everyone needs one and there's no escaping it. As long as there is civilization, government, and order there will be lawyers.

The remuneration that comes with an LLB/JD (or LLM) is substantial in some cases as well. Partners of large law firms can make upwards of a million or more a year. However, the most attractive thing about a degree in law is the flexibility you have in terms of career choices. At the very least you have the Bar (and from that the prospect of a job as a "traditional" lawyer) as a cushion of some sort and self-employment can be extremely lucrative if pursued correctly. Unlike other degrees like Geography, History, Literature, Psychology, CompSci, etc, etc. an LLB/JD credential is broad enough to cover several fields of industry and yet "narrow" enough to accomodate a career path that has excellent job security.

Finally, the biggest plus of a career in law is the fact that it opens up political doors for those of us who are so inclined. However, like Chasiubao Boy said above, it's really up to you what you want to do. Don't go into something that you don't like. Enter into a career that you have a passion for.

[Chester]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 13 2003, 08:14 PM
huh? :confused:
Sorry...thought it was an obvious one: Say Anything.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chester@May 14 2003, 03:17 PM
Sorry...thought it was an obvious one: Say Anything.
oh alright. don't know that one.

[Chris]

Ideally: Non Profit

Realistically: Legal.

[yoMAMA]

'adult entertainment industry', aka porn... :D

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 13 2003, 10:43 AM



anyway, what industry do i think is the best to be in? the industry of making money, of course. getting people who can do things better than you to do those things, and being able to sell to clients - that's the trick right there. doesn't matter what industry it is.
yes, it's the nerds and geeks that make all the money for the companies.

That's how engineering firms and most other successful businesses are run.

You just keep your best ppl happy.

I think i wanna get out of engineering. It's a bit stressful and you have to take shit from geeks.

I think i'm gonna take some business courses soon.

[iris]

Finance: Investment Banking

Base pay for a top 5 firm is $60,000 plus 30-100% bonus depending on hours of overtime. There will also be a signing bonus. Keep in mind the hours are horrible with most analyst going in at 7-8am and not coming back until 10-11pm. Most also work on the weekends and sleep in office. New news for some of you, but this is lower than what analyst used to be paid.

Base pay for a second-tier firm is $40,000-$45,00 without a signing bonus. This average is still higher than any other post-undergraduate job.

[golden_buns]

Accounting, there's some many job openings for this major. I should have gone for that or nursing

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 27 2003, 09:03 PM
Accounting, there's some many job openings for this major. I should have gone for that or nursing
nursing/mursing pays off big. mad shortages at the hospitals.

i know some nurses and murses that got between $15,000 to $30,000 signing bonus, 6 weeks of vacation a year instead of my measly ass 4 weeks a year with no personal and sick days. the hospital sometimes will offer to pay for your grad school training.

plus come on, it's prolly the best female to male ratio out there. one murse i know was the only male in his class of twenty.

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@May 27 2003, 07:22 PM
plus come on, it's prolly the best female to male ratio out there. one murse i know was the only male in his class of twenty.
that's true, but my dad would disown me if I ever became a nurse

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 27 2003, 10:31 PM
that's true, but my dad would disown me if I ever became a nurse
murse!

"that's true, but my dad would disown me if I ever became a murse."

[Emperor_Mike]

Shouldn't be all about money of course. Financial rewards are the result of a job well done.

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 27 2003, 08:30 PM
Shouldn't be all about money of course. Financial rewards are the result of a job well done.
That's true, my brother kept switching through many majors until he finally decided that character animation was his thing and he recently graduated from CalArts and he's been able to get many companies interested in his work cuz he likes what he does, good thing he found his call cuz he'd been in college for almost a decade.

That's pretty much why I'm thinking about going to college again and study architecture.

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 27 2003, 08:35 PM
That's true, my brother kept switching through many majors until he finally decided that character animation was his thing and he recently graduated from CalArts and he's been able to get many companies interested in his work cuz he likes what he does, good thing he found his call cuz he'd been in college for almost a decade.

That's pretty much why I'm thinking about going to college again and study architecture.
You should if that's your cup of tea! Money can't buy job satisfaction and no matter now much you make if you're miserable around your peers and hate your work there's no point in it at all.

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 27 2003, 08:42 PM
You should if that's your cup of tea! Money can't buy job satisfaction and no matter now much you make if you're miserable around your peers and hate your work there's no point in it at all.
I'd be doing it by now, the problem is that I don't have the bling-bling to pay for college :cry:

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 27 2003, 08:45 PM
I'd be doing it by now, the problem is that I don't have the bling-bling to pay for college :cry:
Work toward it. :) Save a little here and there, get a loan maybe? Anything worth doing is always worth the chase. Don't let something like money get in the way of your interests. It may *seem* like a big deal (not having enough/any for the education you wish to take) but it's certainly not impossible to obtain the resources required to get yourself on the move.

And this may sound like stupid idea, but about a year ago I came across a site put up by a girl who was $25,000 USD in debt. Her page was essentially what people have termed an "Internet Panhandling Operation." Surprisingly, she managed to raise enough money to pay off almost three quarters of the 25K. That's a whole lot of money coming in from (sympathetic) strangers. She set up a PayPal account, presented her plight and waited. I don't know...just something you and everyone who needs money for an honest endeavour (i.e. to better themselves) might want to consider if pride doesn't get in the way. :)

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by iris@May 27 2003, 09:40 PM
Base pay for a second-tier firm is $40,000-$45,00 without a signing bonus. This average is still higher than any other post-undergraduate job.

nay. programmers can start with at least 50K (base) easy straight out of college, even in the sorry state that the IT industry is in. and it used to be higher a couple of years ago. if you're in cali, you can probably add another 5K to 10K to that number. but of course your living expenses would be higher.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 28 2003, 12:30 AM
Shouldn't be all about money of course. Financial rewards are the result of a job well done.
there's a chinese saying: having money doesn't mean you can do anything, but not having money means you can't do anything.

and i can't really think of any occupation that i wouldn't get bored of after a while. even in the arts, there're lots of politics when you're trying to sell your work so you can eat.

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 27 2003, 09:00 PM
Work toward it. :) Save a little here and there, get a loan maybe? Anything worth doing is always worth the chase. Don't let something like money get in the way of your interests. It may *seem* like a big deal (not having enough/any for the education you wish to take) but it's certainly not impossible to obtain the resources required to get yourself on the move.

And this may sound like stupid idea, but about a year ago I came across a site put up by a girl who was $25,000 USD in debt. Her page was essentially what people have termed an "Internet Panhandling Operation." Surprisingly, she managed to raise enough money to pay off almost three quarters of the 25K. That's a whole lot of money coming in from (sympathetic) strangers. She set up a PayPal account, presented her plight and waited. I don't know...just something you and everyone who needs money for an honest endeavour (i.e. to better themselves) might want to consider if pride doesn't get in the way. :)
I'm gonna find out more info from colleges in Korea, Australia, and Canada, cuz US colleges are way too expensive for foreign students and usually there aren't loans nor grants for us and the embassies usually ask for financial proof before you apply for a student visa.

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 27 2003, 09:35 PM
there's a chinese saying: having money doesn't mean you can do anything, but not having money means you can't do anything.
so true

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 27 2003, 09:32 PM

nay. programmers can start with at least 50K (base) easy straight out of college, even in the sorry state that the IT industry is in.
errr.....that's if you're able to find a job, which is pretty hard lately

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 28 2003, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 27 2003, 09:32 PM

nay. programmers can start with at least 50K (base) easy straight out of college, even in the sorry state that the IT industry is in.

errr.....that's if you're able to find a job, which is pretty hard lately

true, true

too bad you don't have US citizenship though, because the government is spending money and IT here in DC is doing not bad at all. (they require people with US citizenship on their projects. Canadians are ok though, because Canada is very "low risk".)

you should totally do a paper marriage. maybe meena would be up for it. :dance:

[Craig]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 27 2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 27 2003, 09:00 PM
Work toward it. :) Save a little here and there, get a loan maybe? Anything worth doing is always worth the chase. Don't let something like money get in the way of your interests. It may *seem* like a big deal (not having enough/any for the education you wish to take) but it's certainly not impossible to obtain the resources required to get yourself on the move.

And this may sound like stupid idea, but about a year ago I came across a site put up by a girl who was $25,000 USD in debt. Her page was essentially what people have termed an "Internet Panhandling Operation." Surprisingly, she managed to raise enough money to pay off almost three quarters of the 25K. That's a whole lot of money coming in from (sympathetic) strangers. She set up a PayPal account, presented her plight and waited. I don't know...just something you and everyone who needs money for an honest endeavour (i.e. to better themselves) might want to consider if pride doesn't get in the way. :)
I'm gonna find out more info from colleges in Korea, Australia, and Canada, cuz US colleges are way too expensive for foreign students and usually there aren't loans nor grants for us and the embassies usually ask for financial proof before you apply for a student visa.
GB,

Have you looked into Germany ? There is an increasing number of post-graduate programs with English instruction. Also, many of them are not charging tuition for German and non-German residents alike.

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 27 2003, 10:16 PM
you should totally do a paper marriage. maybe meena would be up for it. :dance:
I think I'll keep trying to get sponsored the old fashioned way, I almost got a job as a financial consultant at a company in LA, too bad my korean sucks.

Remember that scene that CSB pictured us about the abusive korean in wife beaters with kimchi stains and a bottle of OB? That's why I'd be scared to ask meena for marriage

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by Craig@May 27 2003, 10:19 PM
GB,

Have you looked into Germany ?  There is an increasing number of post-graduate programs with English instruction.  Also, many of them are not charging tuition for German and non-German residents alike.
Learning german...ugh, it'd be better to go to a country which I already know the language, or speaks a language that I want to learn. Right now I'm more focused on improving my Korean, and then if I have some time, travel to China and learn Mandarin.

thanks for the advice though

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 27 2003, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 27 2003, 09:00 PM
Work toward it. :) Save a little here and there, get a loan maybe? Anything worth doing is always worth the chase. Don't let something like money get in the way of your interests. It may *seem* like a big deal (not having enough/any for the education you wish to take) but it's certainly not impossible to obtain the resources required to get yourself on the move.

And this may sound like stupid idea, but about a year ago I came across a site put up by a girl who was $25,000 USD in debt. Her page was essentially what people have termed an "Internet Panhandling Operation." Surprisingly, she managed to raise enough money to pay off almost three quarters of the 25K. That's a whole lot of money coming in from (sympathetic) strangers. She set up a PayPal account, presented her plight and waited. I don't know...just something you and everyone who needs money for an honest endeavour (i.e. to better themselves) might want to consider if pride doesn't get in the way. :)
I'm gonna find out more info from colleges in Korea, Australia, and Canada, cuz US colleges are way too expensive for foreign students and usually there aren't loans nor grants for us and the embassies usually ask for financial proof before you apply for a student visa.
Canadian universities are a good option, especially the two main ones in British Columbia (University of BC and Simon Fraser U.) Shameless plug for my home province, yes, but they're actually good! Not sure about Australia, but have you considered UK institutions too? The University of Nottingham is ranked No.1 for Architecture, by the way. Good school too from what I hear.

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 27 2003, 10:37 PM
but have you considered UK institutions too? The University of Nottingham is ranked No.1 for Architecture, by the way. Good school too from what I hear.
yeah I did, but England is even more expensive than US, and money is an issue for me right now

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 28 2003, 01:23 AM
.

Remember that scene that CSB pictured us about the abusive korean in wife beaters with kimchi stains and a bottle of OB? That's why I'd be scared to ask meena for marriage
i did it out of love

[deez nuts]

GB my only advice to you is get that schooling first and worry about the money later. the schooling will pay for whatever outstanding loans.

good luck, man. all kidding aside, you're an intelligent and capable fella. you'll be fine. just stop beating me, ok? it hurts.

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

I'm with CSB. Go for nursing. If you have a real ego trip about it, you could become a Nurse Practicioner or a Physician's Assistant, which are higher in responsibility, prestige, and income. The hours are probably better too.

Plus, once you start buying stuff for other people, they stop making fun of you.

[tommyhtown]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 27 2003, 10:16 PM
too bad you don't have US citizenship though, because the government is spending money and IT here in DC is doing not bad at all.  (they require people with US citizenship on their projects.  Canadians are ok though, because Canada is very "low risk".)


I am in Texas. The IT market is pretty bad. My billing rate had dropped to 60% of 2 years ago.

What's even worse is that the local government ain't spending on IT. All my business comes from staff augmentation for corporation as a result of companies laying off too many people.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by tommyhtown@May 30 2003, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 27 2003, 10:16 PM
too bad you don't have US citizenship though, because the government is spending money and IT here in DC is doing not bad at all. (they require people with US citizenship on their projects. Canadians are ok though, because Canada is very "low risk".)


I am in Texas. The IT market is pretty bad. My billing rate had dropped to 60% of 2 years ago.

What's even worse is that the local government ain't spending on IT. All my business comes from staff augmentation for corporation as a result of companies laying off too many people.
oh that's too bad.

here in DC, the federal government is spending. government projects are just completely different beasts from private enterprise. in the commercial world, it's extremely bad if you spend all your money. in the public sector, if you don't spend all your money, you get a smaller budget the next year. so you do the math...

on the big project that i'm currently on, it's like this - we can make this project a whole lot more efficient, and we can even make the software smaller and more to-the-point. but why would we want to do that? that means we'll get less money. and i suppose we'd actually do that if we're a small company, but the primary contractor here is IBM. the government trusts a big firm like IBM. if the government agency chooses a smaller firm and the project fails, well somebody is going to take the fall over at the agency. and nobody wants to do that. so IBM it is.

[ChinaLama]

No one's mentioned academia yet. sure the pay is not commensurate with people of similar education for some fields, but it's about as safe as jobs get (tenure), and it's probably not any harder than other jobs that require a lot of schooling (academics may work 60-100 hrs while un-tenured, but that's not harder than anyone w/ a professional degree), and it's more flexible than other jobs (most professors get to do a lot of work at home, they have some leeway in what research they want to conduct, and they can take leaves to do research).

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@May 30 2003, 06:30 PM
No one's mentioned academia yet. sure the pay is not commensurate with people of similar education for some fields, but it's about as safe as jobs get (tenure), and it's probably not any harder than other jobs that require a lot of schooling (academics may work 60-100 hrs while un-tenured, but that's not harder than anyone w/ a professional degree), and it's more flexible than other jobs (most professors get to do a lot of work at home, they have some leeway in what research they want to conduct, and they can take leaves to do research).
well, except that you'd need a PhD to teach at the college level, and not everyone is as dedicated to education as you, CL! :D

[ChinaLama]

a Ph D doesn't take much longer than an MD so it's not that big an investment in time.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@May 31 2003, 12:48 AM
a Ph D doesn't take much longer than an MD so it's not that big an investment in time.
oh really? how long does it usually take?

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 31 2003, 05:56 AM
oh really? how long does it usually take?
depends on the field. sciences? probably 4-5 yrs? i'm talking out of my ass here. humanities? as long as 8. but in a lot of good unis, you get a free ride for all those years, unlike professional schools, where you have to take out loans.

as for getting a phd at a shitty uni-- not worth it. you'll be doing MA level work anyway, so why waste the time.

talking out of my ass, tho, i dunno if a shitty uni's phd really is or isn't worth it. :)

[Emperor_Mike]

PhDs should be obtained from a good university for it to mean anything in Academia. Getting one from the "University Nobody Has Heard Of Let Alone Care About" isn't going to mean a whole lot.

At least that's my thinking.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 31 2003, 12:56 AM
oh really? how long does it usually take?
it takes about 2-3 years for most sciences. they don't do residency.

but, the pay varies depending on the type of research you're doing and the demand for your particular type of research.

most end up teaching and doing research at the same time.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 11:46 AM
it takes about 2-3 years for most sciences. they don't do residency.

but, the pay varies depending on the type of research you're doing and the demand for your particular type of research.

most end up teaching and doing research at the same time.
yeah, teaching and doing research. i think that's what turns me off to it. teaching a bunch of bratty college kids that don't give a shit and not being excited enough about something to devote a career of research to it.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jun 1 2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 11:46 AM
it takes about 2-3 years for most sciences.  they don't do residency.

but, the pay varies depending on the type of research you're doing and the demand for your particular type of research.

most end up teaching and doing research at the same time.
yeah, teaching and doing research. i think that's what turns me off to it. teaching a bunch of bratty college kids that don't give a shit and not being excited enough about something to devote a career of research to it.
rad:

hot co-eds!

plus if you teach say at a hong kong university.

lang nui's (or is it lang lai, i forgot) for you!

anyways:

HK chicks for you!

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jun 1 2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 11:46 AM
it takes about 2-3 years for most sciences. they don't do residency.

but, the pay varies depending on the type of research you're doing and the demand for your particular type of research.

most end up teaching and doing research at the same time.
yeah, teaching and doing research. i think that's what turns me off to it. teaching a bunch of bratty college kids that don't give a shit and not being excited enough about something to devote a career of research to it.
rad:

hot co-eds!

plus if you teach say at a hong kong university.

lang nui's (or is it lang lai, i forgot) for you!

anyways:

HK chicks for you!

bah!

no more HK chicks for me. they're financially high maintenance before they get attached, and they're emotionally high maintenance after they get attached. it's a no-win situation.

what i wouldn't give for a girl that doesn't take herself too seriously and knows how to chill the hell out.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jun 1 2003, 11:00 AM


bah!

no more HK chicks for me. they're financially high maintenance before they get attached, and they're emotionally high maintenance after they get attached. it's a no-win situation.

what i wouldn't give for a girl that doesn't take herself too seriously and knows how to chill the hell out.
/hug/

[ChinaLama]

btw when i say total time to PhD, I mean fr Bachelor's to PhD, not fr Master's to PhD.

[Emperor_Mike]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jun 1 2003, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jun 1 2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 11:46 AM
it takes about 2-3 years for most sciences. they don't do residency.

but, the pay varies depending on the type of research you're doing and the demand for your particular type of research.

most end up teaching and doing research at the same time.
yeah, teaching and doing research. i think that's what turns me off to it. teaching a bunch of bratty college kids that don't give a shit and not being excited enough about something to devote a career of research to it.
rad:

hot co-eds!

plus if you teach say at a hong kong university.

lang nui's (or is it lang lai, i forgot) for you!

anyways:

HK chicks for you!

bah!

no more HK chicks for me. they're financially high maintenance before they get attached, and they're emotionally high maintenance after they get attached. it's a no-win situation.

what i wouldn't give for a girl that doesn't take herself too seriously and knows how to chill the hell out.
High maintenance girls scare me. :( You never know whether they're after you for your money or if they genuinely like you for who you are.

[deez nuts]

the best time to get a long term girlfriend is when you're down and out. that way you know if she'll stand by you no matter what.

a good time to weed out the right girls from the right now girls.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 05:44 PM
the best time to get a long term girlfriend is when you're down and out. that way you know if she'll stand by you no matter what.

a good time to weed out the right girls from the right now girls.
my aunt always told me, a woman that really wants you will help you save money instead of help you spend money. but i think that's more applicable to HK girls than American girls.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jun 1 2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 05:44 PM
the best time to get a long term girlfriend is when you're down and out.  that way you know if she'll stand by you no matter what.

a good time to weed out the right girls from the right now girls.
my aunt always told me, a woman that really wants you will help you save money instead of help you spend money. but i think that's more applicable to HK girls than American girls.
that's wife material, right there. my mom says the same exact thing. cantonese moms are wise.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jun 1 2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jun 1 2003, 05:44 PM
the best time to get a long term girlfriend is when you're down and out. that way you know if she'll stand by you no matter what.

a good time to weed out the right girls from the right now girls.
my aunt always told me, a woman that really wants you will help you save money instead of help you spend money. but i think that's more applicable to HK girls than American girls.
that's wife material, right there. my mom says the same exact thing. cantonese moms are wise.
yup. people say that guys look for women that are like their mothers. i say nobody can compare to my momma. or her porkchops.

[etcj]

Ideally, I would love to be a teacher...if only the pay was better and students were more motivated to learn.