Lucy Liu's father

[Hito]

Source: DailyLlama.com (http://www.dailyllama.com/news/2002/llama169.html)

John Cleese will be featured in Charlie's Angels 2: Halo, the sequel to the very successful 2000 film starring Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz, and Lucy Liu. The original made over $125 million in the United States. Principal shooting on the sequel has already started, as evidenced by the steamy car wash photo. (http://www.dailyllama.com/news/2002/images/angels2_car.jpg)

Cleese's role will involve about a week's worth of filming, and he will be in several scenes, playing the father of one of the Angels.

Any guesses? Believe it or not, it's Lucy Liu! She's a big fan of John and reportedly asked for him personally. The scenes were actually written for a woman who would play her mother, but now the part is being specially re-written for John.

“Observant fans will note that John is playing Lucy's father here and Cameron Diaz's father in Shrek 2,” said Python aficionado and Cleese-assistant Kim 'Howard' Johnson, “so the joke is that he will have to play Drew Barrymore's father next...”

The film will also feature a host of well-known names in Hollywood: John Forsythe, Luke Wilson, Matt Le Blanc, Demi Moore, Robert Patrick, Bernie Mac, and Crispin Glover. Demi Moore is ending her five-year hiatus from the film industry and will appear in Charlie's Angels 2 as a character named Madison Lee, a former Angel who has turned to the dark side.

Charlie's Angels 2: Halo is scheduled to be released in the United States July 20, 2003.






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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Hito@Aug 28 2002, 06:04 PM

Source: DailyLlama.com (http://www.dailyllama.com/news/2002/llama169.html)

John Cleese will be featured in Charlie's Angels 2: Halo, the sequel to the very successful 2000 film starring Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz, and Lucy Liu. The original made over $125 million in the United States. Principal shooting on the sequel has already started, as evidenced by the steamy car wash photo. (http://www.dailyllama.com/news/2002/images/angels2_car.jpg)

Cleese's role will involve about a week's worth of filming, and he will be in several scenes, playing the father of one of the Angels.

Any guesses? Believe it or not, it's Lucy Liu! She's a big fan of John and reportedly asked for him personally. The scenes were actually written for a woman who would play her mother, but now the part is being specially re-written for John.

“Observant fans will note that John is playing Lucy's father here and Cameron Diaz's father in Shrek 2,” said Python aficionado and Cleese-assistant Kim 'Howard' Johnson, “so the joke is that he will have to play Drew Barrymore's father next...”

The film will also feature a host of well-known names in Hollywood: John Forsythe, Luke Wilson, Matt Le Blanc, Demi Moore, Robert Patrick, Bernie Mac, and Crispin Glover. Demi Moore is ending her five-year hiatus from the film industry and will appear in Charlie's Angels 2 as a character named Madison Lee, a former Angel who has turned to the dark side.

Charlie's Angels 2: Halo is scheduled to be released in the United States July 20, 2003.



am i missing something here? john cleese as lucy liu's father? i find it difficult to believe that lucy actually asked for him. has something gone wrong in her head?

[Arex]

Um, I hope he's going to be playing her adoptive father. Or will he be doing it in yellowface?=P If she specifically asked for him, maybe she wishes she were white?! I wanna hear boycott's take on this! :blink:

Alex

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Arex@Aug 28 2002, 08:59 PM
Um, I hope he's going to be playing her adoptive father. Or will he be doing it in yellowface?=P If she specifically asked for him, maybe she wishes she were white?! I wanna hear boycott's take on this! :blink:

Alex
see i really don't think lucy is white-washed at all. she actually majored in chinese language and culture when she was in school. plus i've actually seen her in a HK movie before. but i wonder what she's thinking if she really did ask for john cleese as her father.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Aug 28 2002, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Arex@Aug 28 2002, 08:59 PM
Um, I hope he's going to be playing her adoptive father. Or will he be doing it in yellowface?=P If she specifically asked for him, maybe she wishes she were white?! I wanna hear boycott's take on this! :blink:

Alex
see i really don't think lucy is white-washed at all. she actually majored in chinese language and culture when she was in school. plus i've actually seen her in a HK movie before. but i wonder what she's thinking if she really did ask for john cleese as her father.
I don't know bro. Yeah she majored in Chinese language and culture. And like you said she was in a HK movie before. But if she did ask for John Cleese to be her father in the next Angels movie, it's kinda messed up.

She may not be white-washed, but she definitely meets the qualifications for cross-over Asian.



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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Aug 28 2002, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Aug 28 2002, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Arex@Aug 28 2002, 08:59 PM
Um, I hope he's going to be playing her adoptive father. Or will he be doing it in yellowface?=P If she specifically asked for him, maybe she wishes she were white?! I wanna hear boycott's take on this! :blink:

Alex
see i really don't think lucy is white-washed at all. she actually majored in chinese language and culture when she was in school. plus i've actually seen her in a HK movie before. but i wonder what she's thinking if she really did ask for john cleese as her father.
I don't know bro. Yeah she majored in Chinese language and culture. And like you said she was in a HK movie before. But if she did ask for John Cleese to be her father in the next Angels movie, it's kinda messed up.

She may not be white-washed, but she definitely meets the qualifications for cross-over Asian.
but i think cross-over asians are actually very good for the asian american community. it's got to start somewhere. look at eddie murphy. there's a cross-over black actor for you. his work probably did more to open doors for other black actors than anybody else.

anyway i am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. and i guess i tend to give asian actors and actresses more leeway because many things are actually not in their control. i am sure we'll be hearing more about this in the near future.

[Arex]

Nah, I don't really think she wishes she were white, but I'm very curious as to know what the story behind John Cleese being her father in the movie is (and why she supposedly specifically chose him for the role).

Alex

[deez nuts]

I hear ya MK. Peoples gotta make a living and eat. I don't doubt Lucy's "asianess" but why a white man? Is this gonna be an integral part of the story? In Hito's original post it said a brief appearance.

And who the hell is John Cleese (sorry been out of the loop when it comes to movies). Is he a big star that will increase Angels' revenue?

[achtungbaby]

John Cleese is a Brit actor, famous from his Monty Python days, and in other movies, like A Fish Called Wanda. He's also Q's replacement for the James Bond franchise.

Sounds like she'd rather have a white dad then a Chinese mom.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Aug 29 2002, 08:41 AM
John Cleese is a Brit actor, famous from his Monty Python days, and in other movies, like A Fish Called Wanda. He's also Q's replacement for the James Bond franchise.

Sounds like she'd rather have a white dad then a Chinese mom.
yeah i don't know, the first thought i had was... "hello? george takei?!?"

[DaBestSpooner]

maybe because Victor Wong is dead or maybe she loves canada dry ginger ale.

[boycott]

All I have to say about all this is that if Lucy really asked for a white actor to play her adoptive father in the movie then there's really something wrong with these Asian actresses who have totally forgotten what it's like to be Asian and have left us behind instead of bringing us along with her. In any case, thanks to her role as a sexual dragon lady on Ally McBeal there is a high demand for Asian whores who need white sugar daddies to whip them into shape for S&M experimentation.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by boycott@Aug 30 2002, 02:03 AM
All I have to say about all this is that if Lucy really asked for a white actor to play her adoptive father in the movie then there's really something wrong with these Asian actresses who have totally forgotten what it's like to be Asian and have left us behind instead of bringing us along with her. In any case, thanks to her role as a sexual dragon lady on Ally McBeal there is a high demand for Asian whores who need white sugar daddies to whip them into shape for S&M experimentation.
that's really kind of unfair. i mean if i was an actor, i would want to be first considered an actor regardless of race. and lucy's character on ally mcbeal, in my opinion, transcends race. her character is not contingent on being asian.

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Aug 29 2002, 06:10 AM
but i think cross-over asians are actually very good for the asian american community. &nbsp;it's got to start somewhere. &nbsp;look at eddie murphy. &nbsp;there's a cross-over black actor for you. &nbsp;his work probably did more to open doors for other black actors than anybody else.

anyway i am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. &nbsp;and i guess i tend to give asian actors and actresses more leeway because many things are actually not in their control. &nbsp;i am sure we'll be hearing more about this in the near future.


I don't see the reasoning here. By taking a role presumably written as Asian and then asking that it be cast with a white actor, Lucy Liu is not "opening a door" for Asian actors in this case; she's explicitly closing one. (And if the character had not been originally written as Asian — which seems unlikely — Lucy could have demanded that it be rewritten as Asian.) For the life of me, I can't imagine a black actor requesting a white actor to play a parent.

And if the part was cast with this particular white actor at Lucy's request, then this was clearly something in her control. Why are you making these excuses for her?

The most telling aspect of this story is that the part was (apparently) written for an Asian woman, but then changed to a white man. So, yet again, where are the Asian men in this equation?

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Aug 30 2002, 05:30 PM
if i was an actor, i would want to be first considered an actor regardless of race. &nbsp;
With all due respect, this is incredibly naive. I'm sure that actors of all races want to be considered as actors first, and as member of a particular ethnicity further down the line. But Asian American actors do not have that luxury. Unless they can pass as 100% white (like Keanu Reeves), they are almost never considered for roles that aren't explicitly written as Asian. And there are hardly any lead roles in Hollywood written as Asian. Therefore, Asian American actors are at a particular disadvantage when it comes to competeing for lead roles.

In a nutshell: When a white actor walks into an audition, the first thing the casting director sees is an actor. When an Asian American actor walks into an audition, the first thing the casting director sees is an Asian.

Maybe with Lucy Liu becoming a star, Hollywood will start to think of casting Asian American actors non-traditionally, for major roles not explicitly written as Asian. But this is going to be harder if Lucy doesn't help bring more of her fellow Asian actors on board. In fact, by requesting the casting of a white actor in a role that would be more logically cast with an Asian actor, it looks like Lucy is actively kicking down the ladder.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Shuriken@Aug 30 2002, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Aug 29 2002, 06:10 AM
but i think cross-over asians are actually very good for the asian american community. it's got to start somewhere. look at eddie murphy. there's a cross-over black actor for you. his work probably did more to open doors for other black actors than anybody else.

anyway i am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. and i guess i tend to give asian actors and actresses more leeway because many things are actually not in their control. i am sure we'll be hearing more about this in the near future.


I don't see the reasoning here. By taking a role presumably written as Asian and then asking that it be cast with a white actor, Lucy Liu is not "opening a door" for Asian actors in this case; she's explicitly closing one. (And if the character had not been originally written as Asian — which seems unlikely — Lucy could have demanded that it be rewritten as Asian.) For the life of me, I can't imagine a black actor requesting a white actor to play a parent.

And if the part was cast with this particular white actor at Lucy's request, then this was clearly something in her control. Why are you making these excuses for her?

The most telling aspect of this story is that the part was (apparently) written for an Asian woman, but then changed to a white man. So, yet again, where are the Asian men in this equation?
no no i think you misunderstand my meaning. i wasn't referring specifically to this supposed request of hers to cast john cleese as her father. i was referring to simply her being a "cross-over" actress. the way i see it, she is getting roles that does not have to be asian. i think this allows people to see that asians in popular media can indeed be just people instead of having to be specifically asian. this in turn will open doors for other asian actors and actresses.

but yes perhaps i'm just making excuses for her. i just want to give her the benefit of the doubt before knowing more about this. i'm pretty sure sometime in the near future people would ask her about this and she'd have to explain.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Shuriken@Aug 30 2002, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Aug 30 2002, 05:30 PM
if i was an actor, i would want to be first considered an actor regardless of race.
With all due respect, this is incredibly naive. I'm sure that actors of all races want to be considered as actors first, and as member of a particular ethnicity further down the line. But Asian American actors do not have that luxury. Unless they can pass as 100% white (like Keanu Reeves), they are almost never considered for roles that aren't explicitly written as Asian. And there are hardly any lead roles in Hollywood written as Asian. Therefore, Asian American actors are at a particular disadvantage when it comes to competeing for lead roles.

In a nutshell: When a white actor walks into an audition, the first thing the casting director sees is an actor. When an Asian American actor walks into an audition, the first thing the casting director sees is an Asian.
yes yes i completely understand this actually. that's why i said i would want to be first considered an actor regardless of race. :)

i never commented on the feasibility of this...

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Aug 31 2002, 12:08 AM
i never commented on the feasibility of this...
Okay, gotcha... B)

[KATANA]

I read over at the Media Action Network for Asian Americans website that Lucy Liu's biological father in Charlie's Angels 2 was going to be played by an asian actor but now it will be played by John Cleese. Is it true that Lucy Liu herself is responsible for Cleese being cast?

[d-boy]

Originally posted by KATANA@May 12 2003, 04:38 PM
I read over at the Media Action Network for Asian Americans website that Lucy Liu's biological father in Charlie's Angels 2 was going to be played by an asian actor but now it will be played by John Cleese. Is it true that Lucy Liu herself is responsible for Cleese being cast?
very diappointing if true.

i don't expect famous AAs to publicly support the AA movement, (although it seems like famous Black and Hispanic actors have no problem supporting their communities), but one hopes that such AAs would not work against the AA community.

what does it say about Liu as a person, if she activly pushed for a White man to play her father?

[Deadpool]

Thats hilarious and sad at the same time.

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by dzoo@May 12 2003, 07:16 PM
very diappointing if true.

i don't expect famous AAs to publicly support the AA movement, (although it seems like famous Black and Hispanic actors have no problem supporting their communities), but one hopes that such AAs would not work against the AA community.

what does it say about Liu as a person, if she activly pushed for a White man to play her father?
I'm mostly just annoyed that a monoracial actress will be playing a biracial character. It's an example of how pervasive the "one drop rule" is in American society; if a White actress were to play a White-Asian mix, there would be at least some outcry (like with Miss Saigon), but an Asian does it and no one blinks an eye.

I suppose they might make her adopted, but I haven't heard of any unusual casting for the character's mother.

Also, as far as I know Liu didn't push for just any White man to play her father, she campaigned for John Cleese only.

[tommyhtown]

Originally posted by YuheiCarreau@May 12 2003, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by dzoo@May 12 2003, 07:16 PM
very diappointing if true.

i don't expect famous AAs to publicly support the AA movement, (although it seems like famous Black and Hispanic actors have no problem supporting their communities), but one hopes that such AAs would not work against the AA community.

what does it say about Liu as a person, if she activly pushed for a White man to play her father?
I'm mostly just annoyed that a monoracial actress will be playing a biracial character. It's an example of how pervasive the "one drop rule" is in American society; if a White actress were to play a White-Asian mix, there would be at least some outcry (like with Miss Saigon), but an Asian does it and no one blinks an eye.

I suppose they might make her adopted, but I haven't heard of any unusual casting for the character's mother.

Also, as far as I know Liu didn't push for just any White man to play her father, she campaigned for John Cleese only.
Or no outcry when David Caradine played Caine in 'Kung Fu'

[lethal]

Cast (in credits order)
Cameron Diaz .... Natalie Cook
Drew Barrymore .... Dylan Sanders
Lucy Liu .... Alex Munday
Demi Moore .... Madison Lee
Bernie Mac .... Bosley's Brother
Luke Wilson .... Pete
Matt LeBlanc .... Jason Gibbons
rest of cast listed alphabetically
Cyia Batten .... Pussycat Doll
Russell Bobbitt .... Hispanic Doorman
John Cleese .... Alex's Father
Tommy Flanagan (I)
John Forsythe (I) .... Charles Townsend (voice)
Mark Gantt
Crispin Glover .... The Thin Man
Shia LaBeouf .... Max
Will Leong .... Mongolian Fighter #4
Luke Massy .... Irish Henchman #4
Ashley Olsen .... Herself
Mary-Kate Olsen .... Herself
Robert Patrick .... Ray Carter
Pink (I)
Rodrigo Santoro .... Emmers
Jaclyn Smith .... Kelly Garrett
Justin Theroux .... Seamus
Daxing Zhang .... Demented Mongol


Bosley's Brother is black even though Bosley is white.

The Olsen twins make an appearance!

Looks like the only Asian guys are evil villians.

Lucy Liu has never embraced her Asianness. Some other actresses like Kelly Hu and Ming Na have. In one interview with, I believe, Maxim, Liu even said that she never dates any guys who have previously dated Asian women. I take that to mean she doesn't even bother dating Asian guys.

<shrug> whatever. I don't really care.

[tvbdude]

the world has gone crazy <_<

[Chester]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@May 12 2003, 08:26 PM
Russell Bobbitt ....&nbsp; Hispanic Doorman
Bill Leong ....&nbsp; Mongolian Fighter #4
Luke Massy ....&nbsp; Irish Henchman #4
Daxing Zhang ....&nbsp; Demented Mongol
Gee, how enlightened of them.

Kind of reminds me how the Coen brothers specifically cast the role of the bumbling nerd in Fargo to be an Asian. That kind of put a new light on the "hilarity" of "The Jesus."

As long as they were typecasting, they should've made the Olsen twins Evil Villains #s 8 and 9.

Lucy Liu has never embraced her Asianness.

Whatever. Whatever she wants to be, mainstream America can have her. I never understood any level of fascination with her...totally average-looking and adept at nothing more than an almost parodic depiction of sternness.

I'd take Drew Barrymore, any day, over that totally average erstwhile ball-buster.

[Deadpool]

I won't be watching this movie. The first one was retarded and now its a bit offensive.

[AngryABCGirl]

I kinda like her actually cause I don't think she's a bad actress and I actually like her on Ally McBeal on the two episodes I saw (The sad one with the boy who had cancer and the one where that blond shick wanted the bald guy to spank her).

But selling-out, is just not cool.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@May 13 2003, 12:26 AM
Lucy Liu has never embraced her Asianness. Some other actresses like Kelly Hu and Ming Na have. In one interview with, I believe, Maxim, Liu even said that she never dates any guys who have previously dated Asian women. I take that to mean she doesn't even bother dating Asian guys.
actually she has a degree in Chinese Language and Culture. and she had a small role in a HK movie before.

[Faithless]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@May 12 2003, 08:26 PM
I believe, Maxim, Liu even said that she never dates any guys who have previously dated Asian women. I take that to mean she doesn't even bother dating Asian guys.

<shrug> whatever. I don't really care.
So, what does she do -- screen for that? :rolleyes:

[princess]

i hope thats not true. id be very disappointed in her if it was. sad.

[Faithless]

Who knows why Hollywood does those thangs.

An old interview with Lucy Liu:


You're obviously a role model, whether you want to be or not. How does that make you feel?

It's definitely a little scary. It's not like they send you a fax and say, "Will you sign this as an acceptance that you're a role model?" But I'm happy to look back on my life and see what I've learned, and I think if I saw Asian-Americans on television when I was growing up, I think it wouldn't have been so hard for me. Back then, the struggle was so intense and I thought that I didn't have many options.It seemed like you were in a tunnel, like, "Where is the goddamned light?" So if being a role model means being who you are, that's fine. People have wanted to present me with awards, like, "You've broken stereotypes and we want to honor you," and I've declined them because I haven't done enough yet. It's not that I don't appreciate it. It's more like, let me earn it. Don't just give it to me because I'm the most out-there Asian person.

Do you ever feel extra pressure, like "If I suck in this part, then I make it harder for all Asian people?"

I put a lot of pressure on myself, in general. When you work on a project, you want to do your best that you can do. Here's an example on a smaller scale: You know how People magazine has the best and worst dressed? You think people get ready for four hours just so they can be the worst-dressed? People try. They think that dress looks great on them or they think that that role was made for them and I'm sure everyone around them is saying, "You're great! The dailies are awesome!" That's why I always give120 percent, because if you don't, and you do it 99.9 percent, you don't know if that point-one percent could've put you over the edge. Maybe you'll fall on your face but at least you can walk away.

Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.dennishensley.com/LucyLiu.htm (http://www.dennishensley.com/LucyLiu.htm)

[KATANA]

Hey thanks for that link Shuriken. I didn't know that this topic had been discussed almost a year ago. And I totally agree with what you wrote. I do believe that Lucy Liu has become white-washed and wants to distance herself from the Asian-American community. Why else would she push the producers to cast Cleese, instead of a asian actor, to play her biological father. Not her adopted father mind you but her real father.

[YuheiCarreau]

I dunno. I have a lot of mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I feel a little offended when I hear stuff like, "Lucy Liu can't have a White parent! Playing a biracial character is detrimental to Asians!" - because being biracial doesn't mean you're working against Asians or AAs, it just means you're different from them.

On the other hand, I completely understand why people are upset about this, because I'm upset about it for much the same reason. Liu and the filmmakers apparently thought to themselves, "Hey, she can have White dad. We'll just make the character biracial!", and I doubt there will be any more examination or exploration of her being biracial than that. Apparently their attitude is "she can play a Hapa, because she's Not White and Hapas are Not White too." But my identity and my experiences are not a footnote to the Japanese identity and Japanese experiences anymore than they are a footnote to White America, and it really bothers me that, more often than not, biracial characters are depicted as being footnotes to a greater story.

[kitty]

threads have been merged...

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by YuheiCarreau@May 14 2003, 04:18 AM
On the one hand, I feel a little offended when I hear stuff like, "Lucy Liu can't have a White parent! Playing a biracial character is detrimental to Asians!" - because being biracial doesn't mean you're working against Asians or AAs, it just means you're different from them.

To me, it's both a representation issue and an employment issue. Asian American actors do not have equal opportunities when it come to being cast in Hollywood movies. The role of an Asian co-star's parent would have more logically been cast with an Asian actor. To have cast the role with a white actor defies narrative reason and diminishes opportunities for Asian American actors even further.

My question for the filmmakers (if I ever got within earshot of them) would be: Would you consider casting an Asian actor to play the father of Cameron Diaz or Drew Barrymore?

[mr. x]

i know Lucy Liu isnt as "whitewashed" as many would think her like in SNL when she makes fun of that, but she definetely is a fetish for white men.

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by mr. x@May 16 2003, 12:25 AM
she definetely is a fetish for white men.
Can you name an Asian female celebrity who isn't?

(I think this says more about the ways that images are consumed than it does about the celebrities themselves.)

[mr. x]

this whole thing just reminds me of The Toll of the Sea (see my post around here somewhere) where the child the asian girl has was TOTALLY white, not a lil white, not half white, TOTALLY white cuz white audiences dont wanna see that kind of "filth."

Lucy Liu does not look light asian, nor does she look a lil white. She looks ASIAN, and this is just plain dumb

for fairness sakes, in 24, a show i like actually, the korean SWAT dudes name is supposedly baker. Baker yeoung-jim-kim hyum but just plain ol baker

[mr. x]

Originally posted by mr. x@May 16 2003, 07:58 PM


for fairness sakes, in 24, a show i like actually, the korean SWAT dudes name is supposedly baker. Baker yeoung-jim-kim hyum but just plain ol baker
i meant to say NOT baker such and such

[Shuriken]

I happened to be walking down Hollywood Boulevard yesterday evening, when I suddenly found myself gobbled up by a throng on the sidewalk. It turned out that I was across the street from the premiere of Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle at the Grauman's Chinese theatre. The crowd would erupt into jubilant cheers everytime a limousine would pull up to the red carpet. But the crowd was so thick, and I am so short, that I couldn't really see what was going on.

I wondered if Lucy Liu had arrived yet. I was tempted to join the crowd and shout, "Hey, Lucy, what's wrong with having an Asian father?" when she appeared. But I figured that it was all pretty pointless. Having seen enough movie stars in my day, I hurried along to wherever it was I was going...

[ellsworth81]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 13 2003, 06:35 AM
actually she has a degree in Chinese Language and Culture. and she had a small role in a HK movie before.
which flick was this?

[Shuriken]

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Before this topic fades into oblivion, I just wanted to say: If the casting of Lucy Liu's parents in Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle had been up to me, I would have made her mother an on-screen character, and I would have cast the roles with James Shigeta as her father and Nancy Kwan as her mother. I like the idea of a reunion between the vintage Flower Drum Song co-stars. But that's just me...


:dance:

[Ogumo]

You guys should leave alone lucy. I will admit that she should have asked for a asian actor to be the father. But no one is perfect?

[ChinaLama]

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wow, let's give her a fucking medal! :rolleyes:

[KATANA]

<!--QuoteBegin-Shuriken+Aug 15 2003, 09:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Shuriken @ Aug 15 2003, 09:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--aimg--><img src='http://www.ozcraft.com/scifidu/diehard/cast_takagi.jpg' alt='--Resize_Images_Alt_Text--' width='160' height='160' class='attach' /> (http://www.ozcraft.com/scifidu/diehard/cast_takagi.jpg)<!--Resize_Images_Hint_Text--><!--/aimg--> <!--aimg--><img src='http://www.nancy-kwan.com/nancy_star.jpg' alt='--Resize_Images_Alt_Text--' width='142' height='200' class='attach' /> (http://www.nancy-kwan.com/nancy_star.jpg)<!--Resize_Images_Hint_Text--><!--/aimg-->

Before this topic fades into oblivion, I just wanted to say: If the casting of Lucy Liu's parents in Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle had been up to me, I would have made her mother an on-screen character, and I would have cast the roles with James Shigeta as her father and Nancy Kwan as her mother. I like the idea of a reunion between the vintage Flower Drum Song co-stars. But that's just me...


:dance: [/b][/quote]
Those are good choices. I would have picked maybe France Nuyen and George Takei, have a Star Trek reunion

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 16 2003, 08:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 16 2003, 08:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wow, let's give her a fucking medal! :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
hey, just saying she's not a sell-out.
and if she does everything that AzNs want her to do, her career will never go anywhere.

[kitty]

<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 16 2003, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 16 2003, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hey, just saying she's not a sell-out.
and if she does everything that AzNs want her to do, her career will never go anywhere. [/b][/quote]
I think Charlie's Angels 2 is a perfect example of her being a sell-out.

[ChinaLama]

<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 16 2003, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 16 2003, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hey, just saying she's not a sell-out.
and if she does everything that AzNs want her to do, her career will never go anywhere. [/b][/quote]
all i'm saying is just because someone studies Chinese language and culture doesn't automatically make her an authentic Asian and suddenly makes "sell-out" an invalid accusation. Oh look, she studied Chinese-- well so do a lot of Asian fetishists. How else can they pick up hot Asian girls who don't REALLY need the green card?

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 17 2003, 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 17 2003, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 16 2003, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 16 2003, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hey, just saying she's not a sell-out.
and if she does everything that AzNs want her to do, her career will never go anywhere. [/b][/quote]
all i'm saying is just because someone studies Chinese language and culture doesn't automatically make her an authentic Asian and suddenly makes "sell-out" an invalid accusation. Oh look, she studied Chinese-- well so do a lot of Asian fetishists. How else can they pick up hot Asian girls who don't REALLY need the green card? [/b][/quote]
well in my opinion, if a fetisher completes a degree in Chinese Language and Culture, he's no longer just a simple fetisher.

[ChinaLama]

<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 17 2003, 06:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 17 2003, 06:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well in my opinion, if a fetisher completes a degree in Chinese Language and Culture, he's no longer just a simple fetisher. [/b][/quote]
you know the only reason i'm replying is to stay ahead of you on the post count for today? i mean i've never been top poster before-- or haven't for a very long time. and snatching the prize from the Ultimate Post Slut (UPS) is a great achievement. :dance:

But anyway, back on topic.

That's great. Now he can order his Asian mail order bride to fuck him in a language she can understand. Bravo.

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 17 2003, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 17 2003, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you know the only reason i'm replying is to stay ahead of you on the post count for today? i mean i've never been top poster before-- or haven't for a very long time. and snatching the prize from the Ultimate Post Slut (UPS) is a great achievement. :dance:

But anyway, back on topic.

That's great. Now he can order his Asian mail order bride to fuck him in a language she can understand. Bravo. [/b][/quote]
so a non-Asian person with a degree in Chinese Language and Culture automatically classifies him as having a fetish for Asian girls?

[ChinaLama]

<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 17 2003, 06:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 17 2003, 06:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 17 2003, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 17 2003, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you know the only reason i'm replying is to stay ahead of you on the post count for today? i mean i've never been top poster before-- or haven't for a very long time. and snatching the prize from the Ultimate Post Slut (UPS) is a great achievement. :dance:

But anyway, back on topic.

That's great. Now he can order his Asian mail order bride to fuck him in a language she can understand. Bravo. [/b][/quote]
so a non-Asian person with a degree in Chinese Language and Culture automatically classifies him as having a fetish for Asian girls? [/b][/quote]
no, that's not the point. the point is-- just because a person is knowledgeable about a culture doesn't mean that person can't sell out that culture or is not a fetishist. in 10th grade logic terms, the inverse of my original point is not necessarily true. I've said this twice already. 2 monkeys chattering to each other really doesn't work well. but damn it as long as i'm on yw for this hour, i WILL over-post you! don't try to thwart me SWK. Remember a MONK aka a Lama was the one who owned the monkey king.

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 17 2003, 02:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 17 2003, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 17 2003, 06:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 17 2003, 06:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 17 2003, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 17 2003, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you know the only reason i'm replying is to stay ahead of you on the post count for today? i mean i've never been top poster before-- or haven't for a very long time. and snatching the prize from the Ultimate Post Slut (UPS) is a great achievement. :dance:

But anyway, back on topic.

That's great. Now he can order his Asian mail order bride to fuck him in a language she can understand. Bravo. [/b][/quote]
so a non-Asian person with a degree in Chinese Language and Culture automatically classifies him as having a fetish for Asian girls? [/b][/quote]
no, that's not the point. the point is-- just because a person is knowledgeable about a culture doesn't mean that person can't sell out that culture or is not a fetishist. in 10th grade logic terms, the inverse of my original point is not necessarily true. I've said this twice already. 2 monkeys chattering to each other really doesn't work well. but damn it as long as i'm on yw for this hour, i WILL over-post you! don't try to thwart me SWK. Remember a MONK aka a Lama was the one who owned the monkey king. [/b][/quote]
well my point is that if you can devote your entire undergrad college studies to a subject like Chinese Language and Culture, then your fascination is deeper than fetish for the women.

[ChinaLama]

I'd say it's fair to say an East Asian studies major is less likely to be a fetishist than someone who just watches every Kobe Tai movie he can find; I also don't think there are THAT many people who have a hardcore Asian fixation as you're implying. But also to be fair, most liberal arts majors really don't require that much concentration-- like 12 classes' worth for a major? and maybe 8 are actually in your field of concentration. A lot of general requirement courses can overlap w/ a major, as well. At least that's how it worked in my college; that's why so many people can double and sometimes even triple major in 4 years' time. So to say "devote one's entire undergraduate career" as being equivalent to "majoring" is kind of a stretch.

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 17 2003, 02:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 17 2003, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd say it's fair to say an East Asian studies major is less likely to be a fetishist than someone who just watches every Kobe Tai movie he can find; I also don't think there are THAT many people who have a hardcore Asian fixation as you're implying. But also to be fair, most liberal arts majors really don't require that much concentration-- like 12 classes' worth for a major? and maybe 8 are actually in your field of concentration. A lot of general requirement courses can overlap w/ a major, as well. At least that's how it worked in my college; that's why so many people can double and sometimes even triple major in 4 years' time. So to say "devote one's entire undergraduate career" as being equivalent to "majoring" is kind of a stretch. [/b][/quote]
i guess i just can't imagine someone majoring in an Asian-related study because he likes the women. i can see him taking a class or two. but majoring in it, i can't imagine it.

[ChinaLama]

Well an "Asian fetish" can encompass culture, too. As in "i just Loooooove how those Asians do bla bla bla."

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 17 2003, 03:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 17 2003, 03:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well an "Asian fetish" can encompass culture, too. As in "i just Loooooove how those Asians do bla bla bla." [/b][/quote]
ok well that was basically what i was wondering... when is something not a fetish then? or is it always a fetish if a non-Asian person show any degree of interest in things Asian?

[AngryABCGirl]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 16 2003, 11:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 16 2003, 11:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well an "Asian fetish" can encompass culture, too. As in "i just Loooooove how those Asians do bla bla bla." [/b][/quote]
Not commenting on the so-called fetish line here, but those people who say that make me sick.

[ChinaLama]

<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 17 2003, 07:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 17 2003, 07:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ok well that was basically what i was wondering... when is something not a fetish then? or is it always a fetish if a non-Asian person show any degree of interest in things Asian? [/b][/quote]
well, i guess it's just a judgment call, then. ;-) i'm not saying "watch out for every person who studies asian cultures." but you can't say people-- some who may even devote their entire lives to anthropology or whatever-- do NOT fetishize foreign cultures.

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChinaLama+Aug 17 2003, 09:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChinaLama @ Aug 17 2003, 09:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, i guess it's just a judgment call, then. ;-) i'm not saying "watch out for every person who studies asian cultures." but you can't say people-- some who may even devote their entire lives to anthropology or whatever-- do NOT fetishize foreign cultures. [/b][/quote]
how about this then, i don't want to cheapen their efforts by saying that all they have is a fetish.

[SAKU&#33;&#33;&#33;]

<!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 28 2002, 09:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 28 2002, 09:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chasiubao_Boy+Aug 28 2002, 09:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chasiubao_Boy @ Aug 28 2002, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 28 2002, 09:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 28 2002, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Arex+Aug 28 2002, 08:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Arex @ Aug 28 2002, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Um, I hope he's going to be playing her adoptive father. Or will he be doing it in yellowface?=P If she specifically asked for him, maybe she wishes she were white?! I wanna hear boycott's take on this! :blink:

Alex[/b][/quote]
see i really don't think lucy is white-washed at all. she actually majored in chinese language and culture when she was in school. plus i've actually seen her in a HK movie before. but i wonder what she's thinking if she really did ask for john cleese as her father.[/b][/quote]
I don't know bro. Yeah she majored in Chinese language and culture. And like you said she was in a HK movie before. But if she did ask for John Cleese to be her father in the next Angels movie, it's kinda messed up.

She may not be white-washed, but she definitely meets the qualifications for cross-over Asian.[/b][/quote]
but i think cross-over asians are actually very good for the asian american community. it's got to start somewhere. look at eddie murphy. there's a cross-over black actor for you. his work probably did more to open doors for other black actors than anybody else.

anyway i am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. and i guess i tend to give asian actors and actresses more leeway because many things are actually not in their control. i am sure we'll be hearing more about this in the near future. [/b][/quote]
Eddie Murphy eh?.... There's a big difference between Eddie and Lucy. It's one thing to represent your Black community and culture to the masses. It's a whole nother story when one is willing to change their gene pool to fit into White society.

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-SAKU!!!+Aug 20 2003, 10:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SAKU!!! @ Aug 20 2003, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 28 2002, 09:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 28 2002, 09:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chasiubao_Boy+Aug 28 2002, 09:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chasiubao_Boy @ Aug 28 2002, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-SunWuKung+Aug 28 2002, 09:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SunWuKung @ Aug 28 2002, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Arex+Aug 28 2002, 08:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Arex @ Aug 28 2002, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Um, I hope he's going to be playing her adoptive father. Or will he be doing it in yellowface?=P If she specifically asked for him, maybe she wishes she were white?! I wanna hear boycott's take on this! :blink:

Alex[/b][/quote]
see i really don't think lucy is white-washed at all. she actually majored in chinese language and culture when she was in school. plus i've actually seen her in a HK movie before. but i wonder what she's thinking if she really did ask for john cleese as her father.[/b][/quote]
I don't know bro. Yeah she majored in Chinese language and culture. And like you said she was in a HK movie before. But if she did ask for John Cleese to be her father in the next Angels movie, it's kinda messed up.

She may not be white-washed, but she definitely meets the qualifications for cross-over Asian.[/b][/quote]
but i think cross-over asians are actually very good for the asian american community. it's got to start somewhere. look at eddie murphy. there's a cross-over black actor for you. his work probably did more to open doors for other black actors than anybody else.

anyway i am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. and i guess i tend to give asian actors and actresses more leeway because many things are actually not in their control. i am sure we'll be hearing more about this in the near future. [/b][/quote]
Eddie Murphy eh?.... There's a big difference between Eddie and Lucy. It's one thing to represent your Black community and culture to the masses. It's a whole nother story when one is willing to change their gene pool to fit into White society. [/b][/quote]
uh... change... their gene pool...??? :confused:

[SAKU&#33;&#33;&#33;]

White father, Asian mother...

[kitty]

<!--QuoteBegin-SAKU!!!+Aug 20 2003, 04:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SAKU!!! @ Aug 20 2003, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> White father, Asian mother... [/b][/quote]
Now I'm lost... what're you talking about?

[kitty]

As for the fetish/studying Chinese culture thing:

I used to believe that anyone who was non-Asian doing a major in Asian studies had to be a fetishist, but I've met a lot of people who have a good reason to be doing that major. One guy I met grew up in a poor neighbourhood where he was picked on by a lot of bullies. He found a job at a restaurant where he was teased by everyone but was left alone by the Chinese guys. They even taught him some basics in a form of martial arts (that he now teaches at Cornell) to help him fight off the bullies.

So, growing up, his only real friends were Asian. Now he's teaching martial arts and majored in Asian studies. Only dates Asian women. I wouldn't say he's not fetishizing -- specially with the women, but I don't think he's a complete ass either.

[Tao]

<!--QuoteBegin-kittygirl+Aug 20 2003, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kittygirl @ Aug 20 2003, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the fetish/studying Chinese culture thing:

I used to believe that anyone who was non-Asian doing a major in Asian studies had to be a fetishist, but I've met a lot of people who have a good reason to be doing that major. One guy I met grew up in a poor neighbourhood where he was picked on by a lot of bullies. He found a job at a restaurant where he was teased by everyone but was left alone by the Chinese guys. They even taught him some basics in a form of martial arts (that he now teaches at Cornell) to help him fight off the bullies.

So, growing up, his only real friends were Asian. Now he's teaching martial arts and majored in Asian studies. Only dates Asian women. I wouldn't say he's not fetishizing -- specially with the women, but I don't think he's a complete ass either. [/b][/quote]
yeah that's a special case....he's not a asiaphile, well technically he is, but not the nasty perverted ones....he has a genuine reason for acting the way he does. that's a cool story too! what race was the guy?

[kitty]

<!--QuoteBegin-Tao+Aug 20 2003, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tao @ Aug 20 2003, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kittygirl+Aug 20 2003, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kittygirl @ Aug 20 2003, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the fetish/studying Chinese culture thing:

I used to believe that anyone who was non-Asian doing a major in Asian studies had to be a fetishist, but I've met a lot of people who have a good reason to be doing that major. One guy I met grew up in a poor neighbourhood where he was picked on by a lot of bullies. He found a job at a restaurant where he was teased by everyone but was left alone by the Chinese guys. They even taught him some basics in a form of martial arts (that he now teaches at Cornell) to help him fight off the bullies.

So, growing up, his only real friends were Asian. Now he's teaching martial arts and majored in Asian studies. Only dates Asian women. I wouldn't say he's not fetishizing -- specially with the women, but I don't think he's a complete ass either. [/b][/quote]
yeah that's a special case....he's not a asiaphile, well technically he is, but not the nasty perverted ones....he has a genuine reason for acting the way he does. that's a cool story too! what race was the guy? [/b][/quote]
white as the driven snow :)

[SunWuKong]

so what the heck does it mean to have a fetish for a certain culture anyway? that sounds like it has negative connotations to me. isn't it possible for someone to have a deep-seated interest in a culture that is from a race different from his/her own, without that being a "fetish"? what if a Chinese guy studied European languages and history?