michelle malkin - supporter of A&F [Archive]

AliBabaIncorporated

05-02-2003, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by kasia@May 2 2003, 01:49 PM
i'll be sending her a link to this thread. and if she can't take this as a joke, she should sue. damn victimology.
hey ya never know, maybe she'll write an article about y'all in response. There's no such thing as bad publicity. you might even start getting referrals from among VDARE.com (http://www.vdare.com/) readers if they post her article there :lol:

SunWuKong

05-02-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Uncle Tat@May 2 2003, 04:01 PM
Um are you sure you didn't mean BEAT and not DO...
hey what can i say. i think she's hot.

himura-dono

05-02-2003, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 2 2003, 12:44 PM
hey what can i say. i think she's hot.
have you been hitting on dc transients?

VV o n g B a

05-02-2003, 01:56 PM

if she really believes all the stuff she says, i doubt she'd give it a second thought. she could prolly care less what other asian americans thought of her.

Tao

05-02-2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 2 2003, 04:44 PM
hey what can i say. i think she's hot.
what are you talking about, that second pic, makes her look like bugs bunny

AngryABCGirl

05-02-2003, 03:21 PM

fuck, I'd do her.

SunWuKong

05-02-2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Tao@May 2 2003, 06:20 PM
what are you talking about, that second pic, makes her look like bugs bunny
what, you mean you wouldn't do Bugs?

SunWuKong

05-02-2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by AzNBuffGrL@May 2 2003, 06:21 PM
fuck, I'd do her.
that's my girl. :)

Tao

05-02-2003, 03:26 PM

Understand? It's okay to cash in on the Wong thing - as long as you aren't white

Another protester named C. Duong told the station: "You can't, it's what, 2002, and you're trying to make money off making fun of a certain group. You can't do that." Quick. Somebody call Margaret Cho and Chris Rock and Paul Rodriguez and Jackie Mason and tell them to stop profiting from ethnic-based humor! They can't do that.

Is she saying that since chris rock can use the word nigger, then so can bill o' reilly or some white supremacist? Cause to me that whole making fun of asians because you're not asian seems like a pretty logical arguement. i mean that's the definition of racism right? making fun of and demeaning a DIFFERENT ethnic group. I can't follow her logic. ;)

rakovlam

05-02-2003, 03:48 PM

blech. sell-out.

whatdoya know SWK, I was right.

rakovlam

05-02-2003, 03:51 PM

Is she saying that since chris rock can use the word nigger, then so can bill o' reilly or some white supremacist? Cause to me that whole making fun of asians because you're not asian seems like a pretty logical arguement. i mean that's the definition of racism right? making fun of and demeaning a DIFFERENT ethnic group. I can't follow her logic. 

From the number of times you claim that you can't follow someone's logic, maybe it has something to do with you. In this case, you couldn't spot the sarcasm in that statement.

Elizabeth A.

05-02-2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by pipSy@May 2 2003, 02:22 PM
here's the link to the article concerning A&F clickety clack (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin050102.asp)
:blink: Bitter much?

So she's the Asian-American answer to Ann Coulter.

Or is Ann Coulter the European-American answer to Michelle Malkin?

SunWuKong

05-02-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 06:48 PM

whatdoya know SWK, I was right.
err... right about what?
hey don't point the finger at me. i didn't start the thread. :P
i still think she's hot though.

tapestrybabe

05-02-2003, 03:55 PM

maybe its just me...
but i still dont see her as hot...
maybe i need to see a body pic of her instead...
dunno...

either way, i still think she's whack...

kasia

05-02-2003, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 02:51 PM

From the number of times you claim that you can't follow someone's logic, maybe it has something to do with you.  In this case, you couldn't spot the sarcasm in that statement.
actually, it has been said that 'logic' should be a required course in college because most people, including college graduates, fail miserably at logical reasoning.

rakovlam

05-02-2003, 04:06 PM

err... right about what?

I see how this works, "we are a tolerant society, we have a disdain for conservatives regardless of race, religion, gender, or sexuality". What is that popular term for minorities who don't think like minorities? Uncle Tom? Connie Chung? sell-out. (which was the first response I got when I started posting in model minority). - me yesterday

Coincidentally, the first time I was called a sell-out was about the A&F issue. That's the main reason I never went back to model minority.

kasia

05-02-2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 03:06 PM

I see how this works, "we are a tolerant society, we have a disdain for conservatives regardless of race, religion, gender, or sexuality". What is that popular term for minorities who don't think like minorities? Uncle Tom? Connie Chung? sell-out. (which was the first response I got when I started posting in model minority). - me yesterday

Coincidentally, the first time I was called a sell-out was about the A&F issue. That's the main reason I never went back to model minority.
i didn't call her a sell-out to the asian community. you assume too much. that leads to faulty logic.

rakovlam

05-02-2003, 04:10 PM

i didn't call her a sell-out to the asian community. you assume too much. that leads to faulty logic.

Really. Then what did you mean? Did she sell YOU out? Oh, that causes enough stir to sent a letter of protest.

kasia

05-02-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 03:10 PM

Really. Then what did you mean? Did she sell YOU out? Oh, that causes enough stir to sent a letter of protest.
not quite sure what you mean.

TyroneK(prettypretty)

05-02-2003, 04:14 PM

I don't agree with what she says about the impropriety of Asians reversing the meaning of racial slurs to empower themselves. I guess she hasn't taken enough courses in racial history and sociology to realize the difference that context creates for certain racially loaded terms.

But as far as her analysis of those boycott A&F folks, I do find myself somewhat agreeing with her. We've won what we can and there is a certain amount of moral and political clout that we lose the more we dwell on it. I understand why you want to get A&F to turn a complete about face in terms of racial sensitivity, but we don't have enough commercial and political clout to do so. We've exploited the outrage momentum as far as it could go. Let's move on and work on more pressing present problems so we don't become targets of such mockery again.

DragonKnight

05-02-2003, 04:32 PM

Whack.

I don't agree with her views and I don't like her face. Really grosses me out.

SunWuKong

05-02-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by VBKao@May 2 2003, 07:14 PM
But as far as her analysis of those boycott A&F folks, I do find myself somewhat agreeing with her. We've won what we can and there is a certain amount of moral and political clout that we lose the more we dwell on it. I understand why you want to get A&F to turn a complete about face in terms of racial sensitivity, but we don't have enough commercial and political clout to do so. We've exploited the outrage momentum as far as it could go. Let's move on and work on more pressing present problems so we don't become targets of such mockery again.
*thumbs-up*

rakovlam

05-02-2003, 04:38 PM

Let's move on and work on more pressing present problems so we don't become targets of such mockery again.

I thought working on more present problems (for AA's) is so no one makes fun of them and hurt their feelings. After all, that's why A&F and AE t-shirts became such an issue.

AngryABCGirl

05-02-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 03:38 PM

I thought working on more present problems (for AA's) is so no one makes fun of them and hurt their feelings. After all, that's why A&F and AE t-shirts became such an issue.
Well them, what do YOU think AAs should be working on then besides racial defamation commericalized which leads to prolonged stereotypes which leads to more problems and racism for AAs?

Tao

05-02-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 06:51 PM

From the number of times you claim that you can't follow someone's logic, maybe it has something to do with you. In this case, you couldn't spot the sarcasm in that statement.
are you talkinga bout the sarcasm in her article on how chris rock and cho can use racial slurs? yeah i got that part. what i meant was is she saying that white americans shouldn't be held to a different standard than those minorities using those racial slurs?

maybe it has something to do with you.  In this case, you couldn't spot the sarcasm in that statement.

next time if you want to "enlighten" me please do so in a more appropriate way instead of just saying "don't you see!"

TyroneK(prettypretty)

05-02-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by AzNBuffGrL@May 2 2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 03:38 PM

I thought working on more present problems (for AA's) is so no one makes fun of them and hurt their feelings. After all, that's why A&F and AE t-shirts became such an issue.
Well them, what do YOU think AAs should be working on then besides racial defamation commericalized which leads to prolonged stereotypes which leads to more problems and racism for AAs?
Well, I could see the energy that goes into targeting A&F going to something like voting drives and political consolidation. I see it going to supporting APA creators and artists who make racially positive (or at least sensitive) works. I see it going to supporting APA studies departments and scholarship in our universities. I see it going to support more public service work (like tutoring and job training) for Asian-American communities here in the US. I see it going to consolidate professional and social networks that can help ambitious APA people in the future.

I mean, the boycott of A&F is a good thing. I think we should keep staying away from a company that just doesn't see the racial insensitivity of those shirts. At the same time, I think we need more political savvy about what battles to fight, when to fight them and when to move on. It's easy to lose the overall agenda of unity and social progress in something as offensive as the A&F shirts, but you can't let corporate America trick you like that. It would be one thing if they kept trying to sell the shirts, but they took them off the shelves.

It's time to find new targets. Give places like Urban Outfitters and American Eagle hell. Start fucking up Hollywood and inundating it with APA talent. Time to get our politics straight and unified so that politicians pay attention to our concerns. I can think of a lot of things more important than defunct t-shirts.

ChinaLama

05-02-2003, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@May 2 2003, 10:55 PM
maybe its just me...
but i still dont see her as hot...
maybe i need to see a body pic of her instead...
dunno...

either way, i still think she's whack...
i know i promised i'd shut up about this b/c i don't think micky is worth my time, but...

referring specifically to pic #2, it's the D.S.L. and the angle seems to say she'd have a hot bod alt fr pic #1 her body's not fucking spectacular.

as for the other stuff, it's not just the looks. it's the bitchy attitude. mmm mmm it's the kind of bitchiness that makes me wanna put her D.S.L. to use.

yeah if i were to meet michelle malkin in RL, and she were 10 yrs younger, i'd definitely wanna hit that.

btw for some reason, despite conservatives having that whole goody-goody thing goin' on, they have some BABES w/ their movement. i mean why are liberals stuck w/ the fugly chicks? no wonder so many guys are conservative: 1) the GOP and their allies have better girls 2) those girls are forbidden fruit since they're all religious and anti-premarital sex. maybe that's why conservatives who should be anti-divorce keep remarrying, too.

Uncle Tat

05-02-2003, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by ChinaLama@May 2 2003, 08:13 PM
yeah if i were to meet michelle malkin in RL, and she were 10 yrs younger, i'd definitely wanna hit that.

Stop lying. You wouldn't know how to hit a baseball. Nor would you even try you flamer!

ChinaLama

05-02-2003, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Uncle Tat@May 3 2003, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@May 2 2003, 08:13 PM
yeah if i were to meet michelle malkin in RL, and she were 10 yrs younger, i'd definitely wanna hit that.

Stop lying. You wouldn't know how to hit a baseball. Nor would you even try you flamer!
that's true. it depends on how well i know her and how uptight she is. if she's as relaxed as she preaches people to be, and i met her a couple of times or so, then i would proly hit on her.

angel nympho

05-02-2003, 06:32 PM

My feelings about the whole AF thing are pretty similar to hers.

Yay, you got the shirts pulled... More power to 'ya. But damn, I saw that list of what some people wanted in return and it was pretty fucking ridiculous.

Tao

05-02-2003, 06:44 PM

malkin's a weird one. she actually supports the second amendment......i just can't understand that.

rakovlam

05-02-2003, 07:08 PM

i mean why are liberals stuck w/ the fugly chicks?

You got ALL of Hollywood on the liberal side.

Well them, what do YOU think AAs should be working on then besides racial defamation commericalized which leads to prolonged stereotypes which leads to more problems and racism for AAs?

Gee, I don't know. There are about a dozen countries in Asia that violate more human rights than a couple of T-shirt vendors. Or how about UMich's points system that allows under-qualified minorities to enter its school at the expense of qualified Asian students? Or why not ask Michelle, who wrote (http://jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin.html) about the plight of the Hmong, Vietnamese Christians that helped the US fight the communist North and are now being persecuted by the Vietnamese government. There are more causes in the world than some goddamn T-shirts. And when did T-shirts lead to more problems and racism? I don't remember slavery and the Holocaust started over some racially insensitive clothing.

next time if you want to "enlighten" me please do so in a more appropriate way instead of just saying "don't you see!"

I don't enlighten people, I just help them do it themselves. Excuse my course language in your sensitive ears.

VV o n g B a

05-02-2003, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 09:08 PM

You got ALL of Hollywood on the liberal side. 

wrong. u got shannon doherty, armhold shwartzeneghar, gun toting chaz heston, senator fred thompson, and your beloved ronny reagan.

Gee, I don't know. There are about a dozen countries in Asia that violate more human rights than a couple of T-shirt vendors.
oh yeah, lets get bush to invade their country too. but of course those tshirt vendors are multinational companies that republicans won't touch cuz its bad for business.

Or how about UMich's points system that allows under-qualified minorities to enter its school at the expense of qualified Asian students?
right, just like when they admit bush to yale or pass up qualified asian americans for promotions to higher management. if we can fix that, then we're in agreement.

Or why not ask Michelle, who wrote (http://jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin.html) about the plight of the Hmong, Vietnamese Christians that helped the US fight the communist North and are now being persecuted by the Vietnamese government.
see answer to problem one. but what the fuck does michelle care? she's the one trying to keep all these unwashed masses out of the US with her anti immigration tirades. which, btw, is one of the most hypocritical things i've ever seen. she's the daughter of immigrants for gods sakes.

There are more causes in the world than some goddamn T-shirts. And when did T-shirts lead to more problems and racism? I don't remember slavery and the Holocaust started over some racially insensitive clothing.

how soon we forget... how about the star of david?

angel nympho

05-02-2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@May 3 2003, 03:18 AM
There are more causes in the world than some goddamn T-shirts. And when did T-shirts lead to more problems and racism? I don't remember slavery and the Holocaust started over some racially insensitive clothing.

how soon we forget... how about the star of david?
Umm... SO not the same. We're not forcing anybody to do ANYTHING here. If I feel forced to do ANYTHING, it's stop buying AF and AE clothing. SHIT dude, I LIKE their clothes, I wear their clothes A LOT... Are you all gonna label me a self-hating sellout if I keep wearing them? Probably.

VV o n g B a

05-02-2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by angel nympho@May 2 2003, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by VV o n g B a@May 3 2003, 03:18 AM
There are more causes in the world than some goddamn T-shirts. And when did T-shirts lead to more problems and racism? I don't remember slavery and the Holocaust started over some racially insensitive clothing.

how soon we forget... how about the star of david?
Umm... SO not the same. We're not forcing anybody to do ANYTHING here. If I feel forced to do ANYTHING, it's stop buying AF and AE clothing. SHIT dude, I LIKE their clothes, I wear their clothes A LOT... Are you all gonna label me a self-hating sellout if I keep wearing them? Probably.
fine. how about yellowface? u know that stuff that the white actors put on to play the mysterious oriental people in old hollywood movies?

but he made no distinction about the shirts. he simply said that no shirts had ever caused racism problems.

ChinaLama

05-02-2003, 08:58 PM

well, i wouldn't say wearing the star of david PRECEEDED the holocaust, but Daniel Goldhagen did creata huge stir with Hitler's Willing Executioners (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679772685/102-0181666-7407363?vi=glance), and one of his arguments was that part of the reason the Holocaust became acceptable was the pervasive climate of anti-Semitism in Germany, partly fueled by the literature of the time. If I'm wrong. please correct me. :)

SunWuKong

05-02-2003, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by VBKao@May 2 2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by AzNBuffGrL@May 2 2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 03:38 PM

I thought working on more present problems (for AA's) is so no one makes fun of them and hurt their feelings.?After all, that's why A&F and AE t-shirts became such an issue.
Well them, what do YOU think AAs should be working on then besides racial defamation commericalized which leads to prolonged stereotypes which leads to more problems and racism for AAs?
Well, I could see the energy that goes into targeting A&F going to something like voting drives and political consolidation. I see it going to supporting APA creators and artists who make racially positive (or at least sensitive) works. I see it going to supporting APA studies departments and scholarship in our universities. I see it going to support more public service work (like tutoring and job training) for Asian-American communities here in the US. I see it going to consolidate professional and social networks that can help ambitious APA people in the future.

I mean, the boycott of A&F is a good thing. I think we should keep staying away from a company that just doesn't see the racial insensitivity of those shirts. At the same time, I think we need more political savvy about what battles to fight, when to fight them and when to move on. It's easy to lose the overall agenda of unity and social progress in something as offensive as the A&F shirts, but you can't let corporate America trick you like that. It would be one thing if they kept trying to sell the shirts, but they took them off the shelves.

It's time to find new targets. Give places like Urban Outfitters and American Eagle hell. Start fucking up Hollywood and inundating it with APA talent. Time to get our politics straight and unified so that politicians pay attention to our concerns. I can think of a lot of things more important than defunct t-shirts.
damn, you sound like you're running for mayor. hahah! :lol:

SunWuKong

05-02-2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 2 2003, 10:08 PM
Or why not ask Michelle, who wrote (http://jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin.html) about the plight of the Hmong, Vietnamese Christians that helped the US fight the communist North and are now being persecuted by the Vietnamese government.
right... and her solution to that is to keep them out of the US. so much for good old american values of welcoming immigrants to the land of the free. she'd have better spent her time if she wrote about how the Hmong in the US live well below the poverty line. which, of course, according to her, would be the fault of their very own.

mr. x

05-02-2003, 10:53 PM

she sounds so much like an apologist (for the white race or whatever)

mr. x

05-02-2003, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by ChinaLama@May 2 2003, 05:13 PM
those girls are forbidden fruit since they're all religious and anti-premarital sex. maybe that's why conservatives who should be anti-divorce keep remarrying, too.
not to mention they want pure-blood nordic aryans

MellowDrama

05-02-2003, 11:54 PM

She's whack, but she has the right to say whatever she wants, as long as people don't take her as speaking on behalf of Asian Americans. The last thing I'd want is her views to be associated w/ mine.

Emperor_Mike

05-03-2003, 12:46 AM

Everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how faulty and downright ridiculous it may seem. These people will have their defenders as well and a good deal of these individuals are just as misguided as the progenitors of the statements in question. I have come to accept the fact that critical thinking and the use of logic is a foreign trait to many, such as this Michelle individual. There's no point in trying to convert someone to a particular set of ideals. They're firmly rooted in their beliefs and will sooner skirt the issue and redirect the focus to another topic than admit that they are wrong.

Someone should kidnap this woman and "re-educate" her. :lol:

ren28

05-03-2003, 01:39 AM

I don't agree with some of her comments but A&F is old news. I'd never buy their grossly overpriced crap anyway. I don't have anything good to say about her pictures so I won't say it.

DragonKnight

05-03-2003, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by ren28@May 3 2003, 12:39 AM
I don't agree with some of her comments but A&F is old news. I'd never buy their grossly overpriced crap anyway.
Amen ta dat. I rather spend my ducats on something useful. Like food. :D

VV o n g B a

05-03-2003, 02:19 AM

i doubt most ppl who bring up a&f are complaining about their current behavior. it's more like a rallying cry. i personally didn't find a&f so offensive (although i can see how some would) and think kung fool would make a better rallying cry, but whatever.

MellowDrama

05-03-2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Emperor_Mike@May 3 2003, 01:46 AM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how faulty and downright ridiculous it may seem. These people will have their defenders as well and a good deal of these individuals are just as misguided as the progenitors of the statements in question. I have come to accept the fact that critical thinking and the use of logic is a foreign trait to many, such as this Michelle individual. There's no point in trying to convert someone to a particular set of ideals. They're firmly rooted in their beliefs and will sooner skirt the issue and redirect the focus to another topic than admit that they are wrong.

Someone should kidnap this woman and "re-educate" her. :lol:
No, ideologues like her should stand as they are. It lets the people who cling on to their every word sleep well at night.

ChinaLama

05-03-2003, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by mr. x@May 3 2003, 05:55 AM
not to mention they want pure-blood nordic aryans
not all conservatives are white or marry white. :)

rakovlam

05-03-2003, 08:39 AM

Someone should kidnap this woman and "re-educate" her.

whatever suits your mood.

Faithless

05-03-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@May 2 2003, 12:56 PM
if she really believes all the stuff she says, i doubt she'd give it a second thought. she could prolly care less what other asian americans thought of her.
And why should she. She is entitled to her opinions -- however tweaked. :dance:

Emperor_Mike

05-03-2003, 11:33 AM

The part about "re-educating" Michelle was in jest, of course. Life just wouldn't be life without opposing points of view on issues.

Hiroshi2

05-03-2003, 12:36 PM

So let me get this straight, what exactly is her ethnicity? Is she married to a white dude or something? I have actually seen her on FOX news quite a few times.

SunWuKong

05-03-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Hiroshi2@May 3 2003, 03:36 PM
So let me get this straight, what exactly is her ethnicity? Is she married to a white dude or something? I have actually seen her on FOX news quite a few times.
she is filipino.

AngryABCGirl

05-03-2003, 02:12 PM

Ok, my side on the whole shirt issue-I'll get to Michelle soon, is that AF pulled the shirts, we teach people why the shirts were insensitive, and we don't shop there anymore because it was just racially insensitive and their clothes suck. Just my opinion, but we shouldn't be asking for anymore than that. When a company does something like that, it is a bad business move, they don't want to harm a demographic with so much spending power. It's bad for business, so they'll stop.

Same thing with the AE shirts, we tell people why its offensive, get them to pull the shirts, and I wouldn't shop there anymore either for pure stupidity and ugly clothing. But we don't have the right to be asking for more than that, because the shirts do matter, but as a company they aren't forcibly trying to push down on ethnic gruops, that's what we should be focusing on.

As for Michelle Malkin, she is the epitome of sell-out, uncle tom, bad writer, and bad journalist. There are plenty of conservative columnists out there who don't need to skew facts to ge their points across. But she has to, which says something about the quality and the mindset she has about putting down minorities.

I'd hate be associated with her in anyway, shape, or form.

ChinaLama

05-03-2003, 02:46 PM

just to be fair:

Michelle wasn't saying getting A&F pulled off was bad. she said that AFTER the shirts were pulled off, some people wanted to continue the boycott w/ some demands that she thought either weren't fair or weren't effective. so, for instance, she points out how boycottaf wanted A&F to hire more Asian Americans in decision-making positions, but then pointed out how that might not really be helpful since the person who designed the A&F shirt was...guess what, Asian American.

Hiroshi2

05-03-2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by SunWuKung@May 3 2003, 03:12 PM
she is filipino.
That's what I thought, just wasn't sure.

but then pointed out how that might not really be helpful since the person who designed the A&F shirt was...guess what, Asian American

Well if that's true that certainly puts a twist to that whole story.

achtungbaby

05-03-2003, 06:28 PM

Ahhh, Michelle :D

When I heard about the "Kung Fool" costume, I immediately sent her an email.

"End of story, right?"

purezero

05-03-2003, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by VBKao@May 2 2003, 04:14 PM
I don't agree with what she says about the impropriety of Asians reversing the meaning of racial slurs to empower themselves. I guess she hasn't taken enough courses in racial history and sociology to realize the difference that context creates for certain racially loaded terms.

But as far as her analysis of those boycott A&F folks, I do find myself somewhat agreeing with her. We've won what we can and there is a certain amount of moral and political clout that we lose the more we dwell on it. I understand why you want to get A&F to turn a complete about face in terms of racial sensitivity, but we don't have enough commercial and political clout to do so. We've exploited the outrage momentum as far as it could go. Let's move on and work on more pressing present problems so we don't become targets of such mockery again.
I don't remember where, but there was an article about the t-shirts started by AAs with the words "Chink" and such on them. Just seems to me that we're tolerant of our own to say those things than a person of another background. My brother doesn't like A&F because he thinks it's "white people clothes." And he has his own opinion as this lady has hers.

I guess what they're trying to get at is when you see something too often, it becomes overused and fades out. I can't think of any examples, but it's like your parents saying "I'm with it. I'm hip. I can hang." It doesn't really work because a majority of old slang is played out.

Eh... I don't know.

purezero

05-03-2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@May 3 2003, 02:19 AM
i doubt most ppl who bring up a&f are complaining about their current behavior. it's more like a rallying cry. i personally didn't find a&f so offensive (although i can see how some would) and think kung fool would make a better rallying cry, but whatever.
I agree. I didn't find it that offensive either. And neither did my friend who's last name is Wong and has a brother. He just laughs about it. It's not that they portrayed Asians in the way that the grotesque Kung Fool costume did. They were just trying to be cute without knowing the full meaning of what they did. It's all apart of marketing, I guess (I wouldn't know, I haven't taken that class).

angel nympho

05-04-2003, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by ChinaLama@May 3 2003, 09:46 PM
just to be fair:

Michelle wasn't saying getting A&F pulled off was bad. she said that AFTER the shirts were pulled off, some people wanted to continue the boycott w/ some demands that she thought either weren't fair or weren't effective. so, for instance, she points out how boycottaf wanted A&F to hire more Asian Americans in decision-making positions, but then pointed out how that might not really be helpful since the person who designed the A&F shirt was...guess what, Asian American.
Exactly. And I totally agree with her. Does that mean I'm, as aznbuffgrl so elequently put it, the epitome of an uncle tom, too? ...cuz if i'm not mistaken, aznbuffgrl, it sounds like you agree with her, too.

AngryABCGirl

05-04-2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by angel nympho@May 3 2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@May 3 2003, 09:46 PM
just to be fair:

Michelle wasn't saying getting A&F pulled off was bad. she said that AFTER the shirts were pulled off, some people wanted to continue the boycott w/ some demands that she thought either weren't fair or weren't effective. so, for instance, she points out how boycottaf wanted A&F to hire more Asian Americans in decision-making positions, but then pointed out how that might not really be helpful since the person who designed the A&F shirt was...guess what, Asian American.
Exactly. And I totally agree with her. Does that mean I'm, as aznbuffgrl so elequently put it, the epitome of an uncle tom, too? ...cuz if i'm not mistaken, aznbuffgrl, it sounds like you agree with her, too.
Yeah I do agree that we can't ask anymore from businesses than to pull the shirts because it's not intentional racism.

But if you look at Markin's articles, she skews data, ie commitee 100 article data, put downs minority efforts that are important, even though she is one. That's what makes her a sell-out, she sell-outs on everything, and has to lie to do it.

angel nympho

05-04-2003, 12:22 AM

^-- Right on then.

kitty

05-04-2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by DoggieBreath@May 3 2003, 03:44 PM
And why should she. She is entitled to her opinions -- however tweaked. :dance:
yeah, but her opinion is picked up by white news agencies 'cuz it basically says "look, I'm Asian, and I have no problem with racist portrayals of my community, so go ahead, keep it up".

sad sad sell-out.

ChinaLama

05-04-2003, 05:09 PM

honestly, until michelle malkin reaches the status of a bill o'reilly or a rush limbaugh or a dinesh d'souza, i don't think she's worth getting really worked up over. she's not even good masturbation material. not good nuff anyway. :)

ellsworth81

05-05-2003, 01:04 PM

why is she writing for jewish world review .. i never even heard of em

achtungbaby

05-05-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by angel nympho@May 3 2003, 11:05 PM
Exactly. And I totally agree with her. Does that mean I'm, as aznbuffgrl so elequently put it, the epitome of an uncle tom, too? ...cuz if i'm not mistaken, aznbuffgrl, it sounds like you agree with her, too.
Let's forget about the sell-out/uncle tom nonsense for a minute.

You totally agree with Michelle's assessment that activists were trying to do too much in response to A&F? And you agree with her assessment in light of Kung-Fool and a number of other flaps that were so indicative of corporate indifference...?

The idea behind harsh penalties, like remedial advertising for example, is to shove your foot so far up the company's ass that others will take notice. It's not because we friggen feel so bad or have been so hurt that we want such remedies.

And this is why I emailed Michelle after Kung Fool: conservatives would like to think incidents like these are very uncommon, something that all people are against, and certainly nothing that people should be offended by or too concerned with.

DaBestSpooner

05-05-2003, 02:46 PM

she's busted she looks a pug in human form

But I agree one can protest with the all mighty dollar

etcj

05-05-2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by AzNBuffGrL@May 3 2003, 04:12 PM
As for Michelle Malkin, she is the epitome of sell-out, uncle tom, bad writer, and bad journalist.  There are plenty of conservative columnists out there who don't need to skew facts to ge their points across.  But she has to, which says something about the quality and the mindset she has about putting down minorities.
Malkin is obviously a conservative. I guess I can't really fault her on the basis of her journalism. She was writing an opinion column and she was giving her perspective to the issue.

With that said, I guess you can't avoid her ultro-conservative political views. Not only was she against the boycott of A&F t-shirts, she also wrote a piece on that UC Berkeley glory hole story in the Cal-Patriot. I'm not sure if she is as scary in real life as the way she presents herself in her writing.

The major problem in her piece about A&F is that she does not support student activism, particularly that initiated by Asian and Pacific Islander youth. I don't know if she knows how marginalized Asian and Pacific Islander young people are in this society and utter disenfranchisement that they experience in various institutions. It's not about being a victim, as Malkin and some YW members have said, it's about media literacy. These student activists know the connotations and historical references that these images draw upon - they were not simply cartoons. Companies, like Abercrombie & Fitch, should know a bit about media literacy before they start selling products to consumers. Malkin herself should know that the media and symbolism plays a huge role in defining people's identity, thoughts, and beliefs.

Her condescending attitude and condemnation of student activism is seeking to reduce young people to vegetables. Asian and Pacific Islander young people should not sit passively by and their identities are being warped into something that is neither positive nor accurate. If she is not against student activism, then she should have that be reflected in her writing. Otherwise, she's a sell-out..

Malkin: Uncle Tom? Don't know about that...but sell out? Definitely.

mr. x

05-05-2003, 05:24 PM

theres a similar case. A black guy named ken hamblin who's a conservative radio personality and basically he tells other blacks to lift themselves up and stuff and bashes on welfare.

I also remember a black NRA member who's like "the civil war wasnt about slavery, it was about taxes" when asked why he as a black man would fly the confederate flag. I know a lot of people do see that as simply southern pride but i mean, that just seems like being an apologist to me

kitty

05-06-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by mr. x@May 6 2003, 12:24 AM
theres a similar case. A black guy named ken hamblin who's a conservative radio personality and basically he tells other blacks to lift themselves up and stuff and bashes on welfare.

I also remember a black NRA member who's like "the civil war wasnt about slavery, it was about taxes" when asked why he as a black man would fly the confederate flag. I know a lot of people do see that as simply southern pride but i mean, that just seems like being an apologist to me
Well, don't get it twisted. The Civil War was about money, not about slavery. The North wasn't that much better than the South - they sat around and put up with slavery for a long time, but finally used it as another reason to rally people against the South.

maldito

05-06-2003, 07:12 PM

Too many pages to read through this thread. *L* But Michelle has been known to be "conservative" as far as politics go. But I'm surprised she wrote something like this. But then again, she always seem to write things that go against all those who are "sensitive" to certain issues.

I got into a complaint with some idiot about her comments before in another forum. Michelle has said some bad things of my own people so this is really no surprise. Unfortunately for her, she's not that well known all over the nation. *L* She only writes for a few publications.

Uncle Tat

05-06-2003, 07:21 PM

maldito let me sum up all 6 pages for you in 1 sentence:

Michelle Malkin is a white cocksucker who hates her own people and any Asian American activist activity....but we'd still do her.

ChinaLama

05-06-2003, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Uncle Tat@May 7 2003, 02:21 AM
maldito let me sum up all 6 pages for you in 1 sentence:

Michelle Malkin is a white cocksucker who hates her own people and any Asian American activist activity....but we'd still do her.
white cock, black cock, brown cock, yellow cock, red cock-- it's all the same colored cum in the end anyway.

SunWuKong

05-06-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by ChinaLama@May 6 2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Uncle Tat@May 7 2003, 02:21 AM
maldito let me sum up all 6 pages for you in 1 sentence:

Michelle Malkin is a white cocksucker who hates her own people and any Asian American activist activity....but we'd still do her.
white cock, black cock, brown cock, yellow cock, red cock-- it's all the same colored cum in the end anyway.
jing, you scare me sometimes. i think we need to get steve to take you to get laid.

BeTheReds

05-06-2003, 08:54 PM

Further proof that Asian Americans are individuals and not united politically.

She is simply a conservative Asian American.

I don't like her or hate her.

I don't think she is whack, but I don't dig her.

speshllkay

05-07-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by AzNBuffGrL@May 3 2003, 01:12 PM
As for Michelle Malkin, she is the epitome of sell-out, uncle tom, bad writer, and bad journalist. There are plenty of conservative columnists out there who don't need to skew facts to ge their points across. But she has to, which says something about the quality and the mindset she has about putting down minorities.

I'd hate be associated with her in anyway, shape, or form.
Thank you. Co-sign on that one. We need to get someone out there who is anti-Michelle Malkin. Anyone of color who works with FOX news is a sell-out.

maldito

05-07-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Uncle Tat@May 6 2003, 06:21 PM
maldito let me sum up all 6 pages for you in 1 sentence:

Michelle Malkin is a white cocksucker who hates her own people and any Asian American activist activity....but we'd still do her.
I think you said the magic word. No, not the white cocksucker part. :lol: But "activist" b/c it seems she'll go against that regardless of the issues, at least that's what I've seen from a couple of her articles.

angel nympho

05-08-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by achtungbaby@May 5 2003, 08:31 PM
Let's forget about the sell-out/uncle tom nonsense for a minute.

You totally agree with Michelle's assessment that activists were trying to do too much in response to A&F?  And you agree with her assessment in light of Kung-Fool and a number of other flaps that were so indicative of corporate indifference...?

The idea behind harsh penalties, like remedial advertising for example, is to shove your foot so far up the company's ass that others will take notice.  It's not because we friggen feel so bad or have been so hurt that we want such remedies.

And this is why I emailed Michelle after Kung Fool: conservatives would like to think incidents like these are very uncommon, something that all people are against, and certainly nothing that people should be offended by or too concerned with.
I agree with the article she wrote that was posted earlier. I really dont' care enough to know anything else about her.

achtungbaby

05-08-2003, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by BeTheReds@May 6 2003, 07:54 PM
Further proof that Asian Americans are individuals and not united politically.

She is simply a conservative Asian American.

I don't like her or hate her.

I don't think she is whack, but I don't dig her.
Michelle Malkin is a poor example for your "there is no Asian America" dogma. That's like saying Clarence Thomas is representative of the serious Black Republican contingent.

I don't hate her either, I just think it would be nice if she were a little more considerate towards Asians in her pieces, a little less-hell bent on trying to instill us with her folksy "End of story, right?" kinda crap that at the end of the day, usually justifies white people.

I don't think she's ugly but I wouldn't do her.

Green_Circle

05-08-2003, 11:58 PM

I'd prolly do her just for the heck of it. It'd be fun in the sense that she may find it utterly detestable!

SunWuKong

05-09-2003, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Green_Circle@May 9 2003, 02:58 AM
I'd prolly do her just for the heck of it. It'd be fun in the sense that she may find it utterly detestable!
yeah exactly. the more i don't like her, the more i want to do her.

rakovlam

05-09-2003, 02:24 PM

I've been gone for a week and this is still going on (despite the lack of debate)? I think I should take a few more weeks off.

SunWuKong

05-09-2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by rakovlam@May 9 2003, 05:24 PM
I've been gone for a week and this is still going on (despite the lack of debate)? I think I should take a few more weeks off.
hey, you can declare your love for michelle too! i did!

MellowDrama

05-09-2003, 02:57 PM

Ya think? :blink:

golden_buns

05-09-2003, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by kasia@May 2 2003, 11:34 AM
she needs to do something about her nose and buck teeth.
more like, she needs to do something about her entire face

Shuriken

05-11-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by golden_buns@May 10 2003, 12:11 AM
more like, she needs to do something about her entire face
I don't like ad hominem attacks — even if I don't particularly like the person being attacked.

(Am I a wet blanket, or what?)

maldito

05-14-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by tazadar@May 9 2003, 01:45 PM
Oh please. That woman has serious self-hate and white worshipping issues.
You took the words right out of my mouth. White Worship!

BeTheReds

05-15-2003, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by achtungbaby@May 9 2003, 10:13 AM
That's like saying Clarence Thomas is representative of the serious Black Republican contingent.

Isn't he?

Tao

05-15-2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by ellsworth81@May 5 2003, 04:04 PM
why is she writing for jewish world review .. i never even heard of em
i guess she prefers her's cut

TidaMaria

11-29-2003, 03:37 PM

Is this lady Asians or what??? I thought Asians stick together but I was wrong.

kimpossible

11-29-2003, 03:56 PM

Don't all yell at me about this, but who's Michelle Malkin?

edit: and why do we care about her?

achtungbaby

11-29-2003, 04:03 PM

Don't all yell at me about this, but who's Michelle Malkin?

edit: and why do we care about her?Michelle Malkin is one of the few nationally syndicated Asian American columnists in America. She probably has the largest readership of any Asian American columnist (predominately whites I would presume). People are annoyed with her because she's been placed in a position to communicate directly with the majority, and what she's telling 'em doesn't fly with a lot of folks.

mr. x

11-29-2003, 04:08 PM

Michelle Malkin is one of the few nationally syndicated Asian American columnists in America. She probably has the largest readership of any Asian American columnist (predominately whites I would presume). People are annoyed with her because she's been placed in a position to communicate directly with the majority, and what she's telling 'em doesn't fly with a lot of folks.

course im sure if she did communicate differently she wouldnt have such a following.

theres this guy, black guy named Ken Hamblin and yeah he's a conservative. he basically rants about welfare and tells blacks to lift themselves up by the bootstraps so to speak

achtungbaby

11-29-2003, 04:12 PM

course im sure if she did communicate differently she wouldnt have such a following.Definitely. Republicans and conservatives scour the landscape looking for colored representatives who speak their language. Clarence Thomas. Viet Dinh. President Bush's cabinet. They use these people as clubs to bludgeon colored people with.

"See? They're saying the right things! Why can't you?"

ric 3

12-02-2003, 09:20 PM

Isn't he?
NO he is uncle tom,

sidenote
wasn't there some chinese lady who heads AF marketing ? I know at MM.com I think everyone there gave her a nasty email , even andrew. She ended up closing her email account for some reason

ellsworth81

12-03-2003, 06:57 AM

so what is an uncle tom really?

NO he is uncle tom,

TB4000

12-03-2003, 07:16 AM

so what is an uncle tom really?

You might wanna take what the urban dictionary says with a grain of salt, but whatever.:p

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uncle+tom&f=1

ellsworth81

12-03-2003, 07:37 AM

haha

nice effort, but let's hear a *real* definition backed with some kind of thought and rationalization as well.

You might wanna take what the urban dictionary says with a grain of salt, but whatever.:p

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uncle+tom&f=1

ric 3

12-03-2003, 08:38 AM

You guys don't know term Uncle TOM? really?

ellsworth81

12-03-2003, 09:11 AM

You guys don't know term Uncle TOM? really?

it's often misused and thrown out as a buzz word.

moJo

12-03-2003, 09:38 AM

sidenote
wasn't there some chinese lady who heads AF marketing ? I know at MM.com I think everyone there gave her a nasty email , even andrew. She ended up closing her email account for some reason
Yeah, she's a senior VP of Sourcing. You can find it on th boycottaf.com site. Her email is closed? That's funny.

krome

12-12-2003, 03:41 PM

Well, you can all guess what ethnicity she's married to, right?

But: "the Abercrombie & Fitch designer who conceived the shirts in the first place was an Asian-American."

Ok, who was it? I want a name, a headshot and an email!

SunWuKong

12-12-2003, 03:49 PM

krome, if you want to discuss interracial relationships, i suggest you do so in the sex forum. i won't hesitate to edit or delete your posts if you keep it up.

Sizwe_X

12-12-2003, 04:19 PM

A Pinay? Damn, nakakahiya. Another sister who's bought into the conservative bullshit that European-Americans spew.

kasia

12-13-2003, 10:59 AM

Definitely. Republicans and conservatives scour the landscape looking for colored representatives who speak their language. Clarence Thomas. Viet Dinh. President Bush's cabinet. They use these people as clubs to bludgeon colored people with.

"See? They're saying the right things! Why can't you?"

puppets.

mr. x

12-13-2003, 10:42 PM

wasnt there that one guy who was about to become the first Indian governor of Louisiana? he lost, but anyway he was cons.

drwong

01-07-2004, 11:11 AM

why is she writing for jewish world review .. i never even heard of em
I wonder if it has something to do with her husband's ethnicity? By the way, Malkin's anti-immigrant columns are hosted on http://www.vdare.com/malkin/index.htm. Incidentally, the website was named as a tribute to Virginia Dare, the first white colonizer born in America. Ironically, she may have been the first victim of anti-immigrant violence in America - remember the lost Roanoke Colony?

kasia

01-07-2004, 11:49 AM

Ironically, she may have been the first victim of anti-immigrant violence in America - remember the lost Roanoke Colony?

i'm not surprised. most americans tend to forget that their ancestors were immigrants.

Irezumi Kiss

01-07-2004, 06:20 PM

i'm not surprised. most americans tend to forget that their ancestors were immigrants.

Is this the unfortunate side-effect of "acceptance?"

Has Ms. Malkin done anything recently to raise everyone's ire? I haven't seen her mug in a paper for quite a while...

TB4000

01-07-2004, 06:27 PM

Is this the unfortunate side-effect of "acceptance?"

Has Ms. Malkin done anything recently to raise everyone's ire? I haven't seen her mug in a paper for quite a while...

She was giving Bill 'O Reilly a blowjob on the Factor last night, I believe.

mr. x

01-07-2004, 07:19 PM

i saw her on Oreilly, not yesterday but a bit back and she's a total mouthpiece

krome

03-23-2004, 05:39 AM

I wonder if it has something to do with her husband's ethnicity? By the way, Malkin's anti-immigrant columns are hosted on http://www.vdare.com/malkin/index.htm. Incidentally, the website was named as a tribute to Virginia Dare, the first white colonizer born in America. Ironically, she may have been the first victim of anti-immigrant violence in America - remember the lost Roanoke Colony?
Yup, you guessed it - her hubby is Jewish... So, you can guess what her stance on Israel is too. Damn, they just takin' ALL our base! :eek:

Interestingly, somebody entered this for Uncle Tom:

a black person who wants to be white. Normally talks like a really white person or likes white females and is black.

example vanessa williams

Um, Vanessa Williams? First off, she's probably actually got more white blood in her than black, and yet STILL married a black man - Laker Rick Fox. So, how is she an Uncle Tom?? Hater-alert! :rolleyes:

Um, try Michael Jackson instead...PERFECT EXAMPLE! Or OJ Simpson, Tim Duncan, Ice-T, Tiger Woods, Quincy Jones, Montel Williams, Bryant Gumbel, Sidney Poitier, Richard Pryor, Wayne Brady, Johnnie Cochran, Cuba Gooding Jr, etc etc... :biggrin:

kitty

03-23-2004, 06:37 AM

sidney poitier?

MellowDrama

03-23-2004, 07:22 AM

sidney poitier?

He has/had a white wife.

>:^|

03-23-2004, 07:36 AM

Resurrectors must die.

hooligan

08-23-2004, 01:34 PM

lol. die?

12 voted, she's wack, but they'd still do her? ? ? ??? : J

SunWuKong

08-23-2004, 01:54 PM

lol. die?

12 voted, she's wack, but they'd still do her? ? ? ??? : J

yeah, the more i hate her, the more i want to do her.

Irezumi Kiss

08-23-2004, 02:07 PM

12 voted, she's wack, but they'd still do her? ? ? ??? : J
Ha! Y'know, on another board with the same discussion, some people were calling her a chipmunk. She may not be a prom princess, but she's not anywhere near UGLY....c'mon...if she wasn't who she was I bet guys would be wearing their church clothes just to watch her walk down the street!

Faithless

08-23-2004, 03:41 PM

yeah, the more i hate her, the more i want to do her.
Even if she whispers, "Internment rulez! Internment rulez!" in your ear?

Mr.Lum

08-24-2004, 05:57 PM

I don't like her. I wouldn't do her. Not to offend but I have never really been attracted to Filipinas....especially ass ugly ones.

Bhodi_Li

10-08-2004, 08:46 AM

Ha! Y'know, on another board with the same discussion, some people were calling her a chipmunk. She may not be a prom princess, but she's not anywhere near UGLY....c'mon...if she wasn't who she was I bet guys would be wearing their church clothes just to watch her walk down the street!I think I would dress up as Rush and do the hell out of her.

bluemonq

10-08-2004, 08:55 AM

now *that's* a mental image ::shudder:: you know what, i wonder if her site can handle a /. ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_effect

robotic

10-08-2004, 09:01 AM

michelle malkin you get a WHACK! and a BAM! and a SLAM!

D:

golden_buns

10-11-2004, 09:00 PM

yeah, the more i hate her, the more i want to do her.

Even if was dead drunk, horny and desperate, and hadn't had sex for years, that thought would never cross my mind

... And now that I think of it, a blow job from her would be lethal

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols2/mmalkin.jpg

DragonKnight

10-11-2004, 09:11 PM

Even if was dead drunk, horny and desperate, and hadn't had sex for years, that thought would never cross my mind

... And now that I think of it, a blow job from her would be lethal

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols2/mmalkin.jpg Would a paper-bag work?

kimpossible

10-12-2004, 04:02 PM

I try not to get too worked up about her because I honestly feel that the more attention we give her, good or bad, the more popular it will make her with conservatives. But I did mosey over to her website to see what she's supposedly all about.

She seems like a one trick pony. She dedicates quite a few entries on how she doesn't use her ethnicity as the selling point to her perspective as a conservative journalist. She dedicates even MORE time to how she doesn't concentrate on Asian American issues as an Asian American. I used a find function for 'Asian' on the entries and it crops up quite a bit.

You should check it out sometime. Going by what she herself puts on her site, it seems her most 'hardhitting' journalism is something about Tupac because there's a lot of crap about Tupac on there.

I doubt she'll ever do any work that does not involve her 'minority' status challenging another 'minority' group. I can't ever see her writing against a white-majority mainstream liberal establishment and it being a roaring success with conservatives.

I'm also rather high from pain meds right now. woo.