Korean students attack US troops

[SunWuKong]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2161150.stm



on a side note... now why is it that the Asia edition of CNN.com doesn't have this story??? instead they've got headlined: "China buys weapons as Taiwan cautions"

american propaganda anyone?

[wylin]

[quote:63e6625087="SunWuKung"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2161150.stm



on a side note... now why is it that the Asia edition of CNN.com doesn't have this story??? instead they've got headlined: "China buys weapons as Taiwan cautions"

american propaganda anyone?[/quote:63e6625087]

they should be happpy america is spending billions on military aid and having bases there to protect them from north korea. Be grateful for once is what i think, the soldiers made a mistake and screwed up and ran over the girl not like they were firing 120mm shells at seoul. Dam why cant korean students be like korean students bak at uci, drunk, happy, apathetic, and well sexed.

[achtungbaby]

[quote:407b71611c="wylin"]they should be happpy america is spending billions on military aid and having bases there to protect them from north korea.[/quote:407b71611c]

...?

The U.S. is spending billions for [i:407b71611c]itself[/i:407b71611c]. They have a vested interest in maintaining a presence in South Korea and always have in Asia-Pacific since WWII -- colonizing Japan and the Phillipines, dividing up Korean spoils with Russia, those successful wars in Laos and Vietnam, etc.

[quote:407b71611c="wylin"]...the soldiers made a mistake and screwed up and ran over the girl not like they were firing 120mm shells at seoul.[/quote:407b71611c]

Well, [i:407b71611c]yeah[/i:407b71611c], that would kinda suck, if they started firing on shells at Seoul for the hell of it. That would definitely be worse than letting Ktown burn in '92, yeah.

[wylin]

then expain to me why do they have to riot and make such a hoopla over such a small accident? is it me or students in korea always rioting? i remember TV in the 80's pics of them hosing down students protesting/rioting.

also if i was being assualted and a US soldier i would have emptied my Berreta M92 in the air or in sumones face. cuz its just not cool being beat down by "mob justice" especially if i as a soldier am serving my country and have done nothing wrong to the korean people.

[achtungbaby]

[quote:d6300552e7="wylin"]then expain to me why do they have to riot and make such a hoopla over such a small accident? is it me or students in korea always rioting? i remember TV in the 80's pics of them hosing down students protesting/rioting.

also if i was being assualted and a US soldier i would have emptied my Berreta M92 in the air or in sumones face. cuz its just not cool being beat down by "mob justice" especially if i as a soldier am serving my country and have done nothing wrong to the korean people.[/quote:d6300552e7]

Korean students do protest a lot (you only hear about riots from the media...interesting)...because they're pissed! A lot of them see U.S. forces more as interlopers than protectors and definitely question U.S. sincerity when it comes to them truly wanting reunification to happen. They're also sick and tired of U.S. soldiers being above the law, per the Status of Forces Agreement (U.S. soldiers accused of crimes are handed over to Korean authorities only after they've been tried and convicted by their own).

[wylin]

[quote:31e22927da="achtungbaby"]

Korean students do protest a lot (you only hear about riots from the media...interesting)...because they're pissed! A lot of them see U.S. forces more as interlopers than protectors and definitely question U.S. sincerity when it comes to them truly wanting reunification to happen. They're also sick and tired of U.S. soldiers being above the law, per the Status of Forces Agreement (U.S. soldiers accused of crimes are handed over to Korean authorities only after they've been tried and convicted by their own).[/quote:31e22927da]

I see sum ingrained resentment for the us presence and from ABs perspective occupation of south korea. Im not a flag waving patriot but i do see a valid reasons for the US presence in both korea and japan especially now w/ the smaller conflicts that the US is engaged in. The Us needs far off rapid deployment bases for its ground and aerial forces.

Bout reunification i think the US presence is probably a hinderance because the US can justify keeping a base there to protect the korean people.

but putting it perspective the Us occupation/ bases arent as bad as the korean people experienced under japanese rule and it allows the korean government access to much monies in military aid.

also about soldiers arent they always above the law, the military has its own justice system and its punishments are crueler and if not swifter and more just then any inflamed mobs or even 12 people being convinced by swaggering attourneys.

just a thought

[SunWuKong]

[quote:7150e74189="wylin"]Bout reunification i think the US presence is probably a hinderance because the US can justify keeping a base there to protect the korean people.[/quote:7150e74189]

part of it is the fact that the US pretty much controls the destiny of south korea when it comes to anything involving north korea. just look in the news right now, when north korea wants to talk reunification, who do they go to? the US... does anybody else find this ironic? (well [i:7150e74189]theoretically[/i:7150e74189] it should be ironic)


[quote:7150e74189="wylin"]also about soldiers arent they always above the law, the military has its own justice system and its punishments are crueler and if not swifter and more just then any inflamed mobs or even 12 people being convinced by swaggering attourneys.[/quote:7150e74189]

the difference here is that they're on foreign soil and being guests there.

[achtungbaby]

[quote:4509aaf349="wylin"]but putting it perspective the Us occupation/ bases arent as bad as the korean people experienced under japanese rule...[/quote:4509aaf349]

Again: well, [i:4509aaf349]yeah[/i:4509aaf349], having U.S. troops stationed there isn't as bad obviously. But that's like saying Asian Americans have it better today than we did back in the Chinese Exclusionary Act days, so we shouldn't complain...?

[wylin]

[quote:e343cf48cf="achtungbaby"][quote:e343cf48cf="wylin"]but putting it perspective the Us occupation/ bases arent as bad as the korean people experienced under japanese rule...[/quote:e343cf48cf]

Again: well, [i:e343cf48cf]yeah[/i:e343cf48cf], having U.S. troops stationed there isn't as bad obviously. But that's like saying Asian Americans have it better today than we did back in the Chinese Exclusionary Act days, so we shouldn't complain...?[/quote:e343cf48cf]

everyone can complain and rant or what not. I just dont see that much basis on why its such a big issue. The us has a base there it does in japan also, pretty much the same above the law attitude exists. So are u saying that the united states should not have any bases anywhere like they do in korean and parts of japan? yankee go home?

what policy changes would be more egalitarian? I agree w/ AB that the soldiers should be subject to local laws and restrictions. But i feel that the US needs to have a presence there for its own benifit and also for the benifit of the allies that the US has set up its bases on. Should the US pull out of every single military base outside of its borders and just rely on the carrier battlegroups or in the future orbital weapons platform, atleast w/ allies and bases on allied countries soil, world oppinion about stuff can be interjected especially w/ how the bases themselves are used.

think of another more effective way to deploy ground combat troops and defend against the rogue nation that is North Korea? Could the south korean defense force stop them? How bout a conflict w/ Red China would the air bases in japan be enuff to stem the tide of a conflict in the Taiwan Straits? so many policy revisions would have to be made before the americans could even think of not using thr korean bases. Give me sum new policy ideas.

[SunWuKong]

of course there is a number of reasons the [i:d9771c2a6c]US[/i:d9771c2a6c] wants to have troops in korea. but the students are protesting because they are looking at it not from the perspective of American reasons, they are looking at it from the perspective of how American military presence affects Korea. i agree that American troops there are necessary right now, but when you combine this with the fact that the American commander-in-chief of the military has a crappy foreign policy and is like a big kid who is trigger happy with his choice of words, then something is not quite right.

[AsianLatinaHottie]

It also could be that after the olympic incident followed by the :roll: soccer matches (and the sentiments) and let's not forget the Rodney King flap.Well perhaps the Korean people are beginning to feel that the U.S. isn't exactly the benevolent big bro that it tries to come off as. Someone mentioned that since U.S. is here to help save Korea from the evil empire up north then why are Koreans not grateful and showing :lol: their appreciation? Why indeed?! :evil: :lol: