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Shuriken
07-20-2002, 02:16 PM
The subject of so-called "political correctness" has been brought up in other forums. What do I think of "political correctness"? Not that anyone really cares about my opinion, but to me, the issue was best summed-up in an article about [i:79a4c1f6a1]Rising Sun[/i:79a4c1f6a1] by the writer David Ehrenstein (who is black & Jewish & gay!) that appeared in the British film magazine [i:79a4c1f6a1]Sight and Sound[/i:79a4c1f6a1] in 1993. At one point in his article, "War Business," Ehrenstein quotes a passage from Michael Crichton's novel, where a white prostitute talks about the Japanese:

"'And to them,' she said, 'their wishes, their desires, it's as natural as leaving the tip... I mean, I don't mind a little golden shower or whatever, handcuffs, you know. Maybe a little spanking if I like the guy. But I won't let anybody cut me. I don't care how much money. None of those things with knives or swords. A lot of them, they are so polite, so correct, but then they get turned on, they have this...this [i:79a4c1f6a1]way[/i:79a4c1f6a1]...' She broke of, shaking her head. 'They're strange people.'"

Ehrenstein's article picks up from there:

"Is it so difficult to see what's going on here? The Japanese 'way' is plainly at one with the sexual prowess supposedly possessed by blacks and the purported desire of Jews for the blood of Gentile children, the better to perform the ritual sacrifices believed to be the key to their vast economic power. There's a simple word for such sweeping cultural characterizations: racism. But as anyone who has been paying attention to the mass media over the last decade knows, racism is an increasingly dangerous thing to bring up in public. To do so is to leave oneself open to the countercharge of 'political correctness' — that brand of so-called liberal oversensitivity that media pundits and political commentators of the right to middle of the [political] spectrum never tire of decrying as worse than racism itself.

"Though it began life in the late '70s as a term of left-wing self-mockery, political correctness was taken up by the [political] right in the '80s when multiculturalism — that movement designed to teach the histories and contributions of non-white peoples — emerged on U.S. college campuses. In his book [i:79a4c1f6a1]An Illiberal Education[/i:79a4c1f6a1], right-wing foundation-funded propagandist Dinesh D'Souza [an Indian American] denounced multiculturalism as political correctness and its proponents as thought police intent on eradicating the matchless contributions of white heterosexual European males. Though his 15 minutes of fame soon passed, the term D'Souza promulgated has persisted to this day as a means of silencing any opposition to the status quo, in particular with regard to race. Consequently, when Asian-American [[i:79a4c1f6a1]sic[/i:79a4c1f6a1]] activist groups began to make enquiries about how [i:79a4c1f6a1]Rising Sun[/i:79a4c1f6a1] would be adapted to the screen, it was no surprise to find the familiar catch-phrase being wielded once more.

"'It's unrealistic to expect a "politically correct" view of Japan,' announced Rebecca Mundy, public affairs director of the Japan America Friendship foundation, the international trade promotion organisation that 20th Century Fox hired to handle protests against the film. 'That's not what art is about.' 'Watchdog groups are necessary,' noted [i:79a4c1f6a1]Rising Sun[/i:79a4c1f6a1] producer Peter Kaufman...in the same [i:79a4c1f6a1]Los Angeles Times[/i:79a4c1f6a1] article, 'but there's always the danger that they'll turn into "thought police".'"

Ehrenstein's article goes on to criticize the movie.

On the subject of [i:79a4c1f6a1]Rising Sun[/i:79a4c1f6a1], Michael Crichton himself invoked "political correctness" in defending his dubious novel. He addressed the Los Angeles World Affairs Council in a speech called "America Bound and Gagged: 'Political Correctness' and Censorship of the U.S.-Japan Relationship." In his speech, Crichton claimed that he only wanted to start a "discussion" of the U.S.-Japan trade relationship with his book. He went on to portray criticism of his novel as "political correctness" and himself as its victim. If I were talking to Crichton, I would ask him: Must a "discussion" of the U.S.-Japan trade relationship be premised on the idea that Japanese companies get ahead in the U.S. by murdering white women? And if "political correctness" is as oppressive as you say, how did [i:79a4c1f6a1]Rising Sun[/i:79a4c1f6a1] get published in the first place? How did it get turned into a $40-million movie starring Sean Connery? If "political correctness" is so stultifying, wouldn't all the publishers and movie studios have shied away from this material? Of course, I'll never get to ask him those questions. With all his millions, he's certainly able to keep away riff-raff like me.

Another good read is [i:79a4c1f6a1]The Myth of Political Correctness: The Conservative Attack on Higher Education[/i:79a4c1f6a1] by John K. Wilson. In his book, Wilson argues that stories of oppressive "political correctness" in the universities were used to mask the rise of an even more oppressive conservative orthodoxy on campus.

SunWuKong
07-20-2002, 07:13 PM
that's a pretty nice piece. did you write it yourself or where did you find the article?

achtungbaby
07-20-2002, 07:37 PM
[quote:25f7c84fea="Shuriken"]If I were talking to Crichton, I would ask him: Must a "discussion" of the U.S.-Japan trade relationship be premised on the idea that Japanese companies get ahead in the U.S. by murdering white women? And if "political correctness" is as oppressive as you say, how did [i:25f7c84fea]Rising Sun[/i:25f7c84fea] get published in the first place? How did it get turned into a $40-million movie starring Sean Connery?[/quote:25f7c84fea]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Great post.

achtungbaby
07-20-2002, 07:51 PM
To add, regarding [i:201580d521]Rising Sun[/i:201580d521]: 20th Century Fox President Strauss Zelnick originally offered MANAA and the JACL a pre-screening, under the condition that even if they found the movie offensive, they wouldn't protest it. He also later accused them of trying to censor the film, that they were infringing on the studio's First Amendment rights (to score money).

To their credit, 20th Century Fox did fulfill one wish: MANAA had requested that they hire an "Asian-friendly" consultant to monitor things.

They hired a white guy.

Shuriken
07-20-2002, 10:14 PM
[quote:bfde0cbd07="achtungbaby"]To add, regarding [i:bfde0cbd07]Rising Sun[/i:bfde0cbd07]: 20th Century Fox President Strauss Zelnick originally offered MANAA and the JACL a pre-screening, under the condition that even if they found the movie offensive, they wouldn't protest it. He also later accused them of trying to censor the film, that they were infringing on the studio's First Amendment rights (to score money).

To their credit, 20th Century Fox did fulfill one wish: MANAA had requested that they hire an "Asian-friendly" consultant to monitor things.

They hired a white guy.[/quote:bfde0cbd07]

Thanks for your comment. However, this is not the version of the story that I heard from Guy Aoki. Guy told me that Strauss Zelnick refused to grant MANAA an advance screening under any circumstances. Guy and other MANAA members were finally able to attend a general sneak preview the Monday before the movie's Friday release.

Guy wanted Fox to hire a consultant on Asian [i:bfde0cbd07]American[/i:bfde0cbd07] issues, which they didn't do. They had already hired Steve Clemons, who is white, from the Japan-America Society to be their advisor on [i:bfde0cbd07]Japanese-national[/i:bfde0cbd07] issues. Clemons is a friend of Crichton's and one of the revisionist scholars from whom Crichton drew his arguments against Japanese business practices. I suspect that Fox hired Clemons on Crichton's recommendation. In a letter to the [i:bfde0cbd07]L.A. Weekly[/i:bfde0cbd07], Clemons said that no Asian American advisors were needed on [i:bfde0cbd07]Rising Sun[/i:bfde0cbd07] because the film's Asian American cast members were "built-in advisors." But how much of a nay-sayer can you be if the guy you're saying nay to is your boss and can have you fired if you say something he doesn't like?

Also, Steve Clemons "moderated" a panel that addressed the L.A. World Affairs Council after Crichton's "America Bound and Gagged" speech. I put "moderated" in quotation marks because most of the panelists all sided with Crichton, and the two Japanese panelists didn't question the premise of the novel (i.e., Japanese businesses are murdering white people). It was a very one-sided, circumscribed discussion, according to the transcripts.

SunWuKong
07-20-2002, 10:24 PM
[quote:7cf2be44b3="Shuriken"]... and the two Japanese panelists didn't question the premise of the novel (i.e., Japanese businesses are murdering white people). [/quote:7cf2be44b3]


it's the yellow peril mentality. first it was chinese rail workers, then 100 years later it happened again with the japanese auto industry (vincent chin anyone?), now it's china's market and labor force.

achtungbaby
07-20-2002, 11:25 PM
[quote:ec92a81b38="Shuriken"]Guy told me that Strauss Zelnick refused to grant MANAA an advance screening under any circumstances.[/quote:ec92a81b38]

That's not what Guy told [i:ec92a81b38]me[/i:ec92a81b38], so nyah! But then, that was about nine years ago, so maybe he forgot. According to Guy, Zelnick offered a pre-screening for MANAA and the JACL in a phone conversation with the no-protest stipulation...but that's not really important.

[quote:ec92a81b38="Shuriken"]Clemons is a friend of Crichton's and one of the revisionist scholars from whom Crichton drew his arguments against Japanese business practices.[/quote:ec92a81b38]

Just what is the Japan America Society of Southern California...and why do I only hear about white people as part of this "society"?

ChinaLama
07-22-2002, 02:27 AM
I agree with most of this post.

But political correctness + ignorance = ROFL yet dangerous.

Anyone ever receive an email from some outraged person about how the NY Times wrote "Chink in US Armor" and they're like OMG HOW CAN THEY USE SUCH OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE bla bla bla


if they'd bothered to look in the dictionary, they would have noticed "chink = "a crack or fissure" (from chine, in Middle English) --American Heritage Dictionary 2nd College Edition.

SunWuKong
07-22-2002, 03:04 AM
[quote:eae736e69b="ChinaLama"]I agree with most of this post.

But political correctness + ignorance = ROFL yet dangerous.

Anyone ever receive an email from some outraged person about how the NY Times wrote "Chink in US Armor" and they're like OMG HOW CAN THEY USE SUCH OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE bla bla bla


if they'd bothered to look in the dictionary, they would have noticed "chink = "a crack or fissure" (from chine, in Middle English) --American Heritage Dictionary 2nd College Edition.[/quote:eae736e69b]


hahhah yeah i remember reading that somewhere. forgot where though. i thought it was ridiculous.

DaBestSpooner
07-23-2002, 11:39 AM
john grisham is very anti asian too, but he doesnt mind banging asian women though.

AsianCyRAno
07-23-2002, 03:40 PM
I'm tired of ppl making a consorted effort to ridicule and belittle people who are racially sensitive to some particular issue, whatever that issue may be. It’s impossible to even try and have an intelligent discussion with these kinds of people. They are very immature when they are bashing you over the head; calling you names. Its like you’re trying to debate with a five year-old.

Everyone hears about the term "political correctness" and its suggestions of high-minded, can't take a joke kind of ppl. Its a blanket statement that the anti-PC crowd always brings up..."its just a joke, get over it". What these people don't understand is that they can't just hide behind the argument that "its a joke" in order to get away with racism or having ignorant ideas.

Furthermore, the anti-PC crowd also likes to flaunt their First Amendment Rights in everyone's face. Sure, you can talk all you want but what happens when a black comedian makes fun of white people? Suddenly the tone changes and its not a joke anymore but disrespect. As if this comedian (no matter what his colour really) is disparaging on white males. Hypocrisy at its worst.

Then these people who feel they have been disrespected turn around and call all minorities a bunch of welfare queens. Common sense would show this to be untrue. Just by probability alone we can safely assume that the majority of welfare recipients are white because Caucasians make up over 70% of this country. However, welfare, in and of itself is not a bane on society. It’s a means of getting oneself out of where they are and into a more comfortable situation. My parents were on welfare for approximately 3 months when they were recent immigrants. My Dad made ends meet by working three jobs and going to an ESL class at a community college. I would hardly classify him as a welfare miser.

Its true that everyone has the right to free speech but they're are limits to it. For instance, free speech does not involve inciting a riot or threats of terrorism. You'd be busted for that. Plus its just common decency that you don’t tell someone to fuck off if they hold a different opinion.

Whoa…I think I just went off on a tangent there! Haha…sorry for getting a little off track there.

Shuriken
07-24-2002, 10:33 AM
[quote:fc789facfd="AsianCyRAno"]Whoa…I think I just went off on a tangent there! Haha…sorry for getting a little off track there.[/quote:fc789facfd]

You weren't off track at all, Cy. Your thoughts on this subject are very similar to my own. I get really tired of hearing liberal ideas or points of view branded "politically correct" in order to dismiss them or imply that all left-of-center thinking is inherently oppressive.